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For those of you looking for one of my positive "Kool Aid" posts, stop reading right now.  This is not one of those posts.  When I started doing my weekly posts about things we can feel positive about as Chiefs fans I began looking at different areas of our favorite team and looking for statistical proof of things that are going well or getting better.  Over the last two weeks I have been digging into the pass defense looking for something positive.  You can definitely make a case for Flowers being a great up and coming corner and even a case for Carr being a solid starting NFL corner.  However, these two have not been enough to make our pass defense anything even close to resembling an acceptable unit.  Early in the season most Chief fans were in agreement that the number one thing that needed upgraded on our team was the offensive line.  I now propose to you AP that this is no longer the case.  It is the pass defense that should be our number one concern going into this off season.

After the jump I'll give you the stats to back this up.

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The Chiefs pass defense is currently rated 30th in the NFL.  They are giving up 258.3 yards per game.  QBs are completing 59.2% of their passes.  They have given up 19 TDs to 7 INTs and opponents are averaging 8.1 yards per pass attempt (not completion, attempt).

Now these numbers are where the Chiefs are at.  However, as bad as those numbers are, I'm going to argue that things are actually a lot worse then even those numbers show.  Those numbers include two games against J. Russell who we all know is just not a NFL caliber QB.  Pass defense numbers against Russell just do not represent how a team really stops a typical NFL passing game.  So I averaged the stats of the starting QBs in the other 9 games (I included both Campbell and Collins in the Washington game since they split the game 50/50).  Here are the averages for the starting QBs in those 9 games.

298.7 yards per game

64.2% completion percentage

19 TDs to 5 INTs

8.9 yards per pass attempt

Wow, that is some really bad pass defense ladies and gentlemen.  For a little perspective here are Tom Brady's numbers for this season.

298.7 yards per game

65.7% completion percentage

20 TDs to 8 INTs

7.7 yards per pass attempt

So basically we make every QB not named Russell look like Tom Brady and the NE pass attack.  The only area where Brady can't hang is in the yards per pass attempt stat.  Only Drew Brees is averaging that many yards per attempt at 9.1.

These numbers alone are probably enough to prove my point, but I've just begun my friends.  Now lets take a look at the WRs and TEs we've faced.

We've discussed before how TEs have hurt us this year.  In the non-Oakland games the starting TEs are averaging about 5.2 receptions per game for 66 yards.  They have scored 5 total TDs and AVERAGE a long reception of 23.3 yards.  This means that we average giving up at least one 20+ yard reception to a TE each game.  For some perspective, Tony Gonzalez is averaging 5.5 receptions per game for 60.5 yards and 5 total TDs.

So basically we make every TE not thrown to by Russell look like Tony G.

I wish I could tell you that things get better when we look at the opposing WRs.  This is actually the worst of the group.  Here are the average stats for the leading WRs in the non-Oakland games:

6.3 receptions

128 yards

1 TD

just over 20 yards per reception

Randy Moss can't stack up to that:

6 receptions

90.2 yards

just under 1 TD

about 15 yards per reception

Larry Fitzgerald can't stack up to that:

6.8 receptions

75.1 yards

just under 1 TD

about 11 yards per reception

So basically we make the leading receiver of all non-Oakland teams look better then Randy Moss or Larry Fitzgerald.

One final stat for you.  The average long pass play against the Chiefs this year in non-Oakland games is 51.5 yards.  So we give up one 50+ yard pass per game as long as our good friend J. Russell isn't throwing the ball.

I know our offensive line needs upgraded.  I know that Matt Cassel needs to step up his game.  I know that Haley needs to hire an OC to help with play calling.  However, in my opinion, everything else is secondary (pardon the pun) to fixing the pass defense.  Some of you are wondering if you can make up for this bad of pass defense by upgrading the offense enough to keep up or just improve the run defense.  You only have to look at our own team earlier this decade to find your answer.

In the past 10 years our pass defense has been REALLY bad on two other occasions.  In 2004 we ranked 32nd in pass defense with 262.7 yards per game, 59.8% completion percentage, 32 TDs to 13 INTs, and 8.5 yards per reception.  That season we were 7-9 despite having the number one offense in total yards and the 12th rated run defense.  In 2002 we ranked 31st in pass defense with 261.3 yards per game, 65.4% completion percentage, 27 TDs to 18 INTs, and 7.1 yards per reception.  That season we were 8-8 with the number four offense in total yards and the 24th rated run defense.

So even with an elite offense you can't get above .500 with a pass defense this bad.  Our team is currently rated 30th in total offense and 27th in run defense.  So even with the improvements that we are currently seeing it isn't realistic to think they will improve enough in one year to get us to .500 without fixing the pass defense too.

In my opinion we need to upgrade the coverage by our safeties, nickel backs, and LBs.  We also need another pass rusher so that Hali isn't on his own trying to put pressure on the QB.  I am also in agreement with most AP posters who think Pendergast has got to go.  The numbers we are giving up in the pass game are just totally unacceptable.

Okay, so you know I can't end the post without trying to be a little positive.  If there is any good news it is that the final five games we have are against the 18th, 26th, 31st, 21st, and 18th rated passing offenses.  So at least we don't have any of the elite passing teams left on our schedule.  If you're still depressed, I apologize.  I'll be back next week with my regular glass of Kool Aid.

PORKCHOP OUT

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The pass defense is far worse than it was in 2004.

Ibn 2004 we had the number 1 offense and as a result the other team was throwing all game to try and catch up. The pass D was bad and was compounded the fact that teams were playing catch up. Teams do not have to throw to catch up this tear and they are still hanging 300 yards up every game. I think there are 2 major reasons, lack of a pass rush and poor safety play.

by saskwatch on Dec 3, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

I agree 100%, but those are really the only years you can compare this year to.

Nothing else even comes close.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Just when I needed some Kool Aid...

now i must seach for something more destructive

by chiefsandcigars on Dec 3, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions  

Sorry

I’ve been sitting on this for about a week. I knew it was bad, but I was surprised by just how bad though. I know Pendergast has taken a beating here at AP, but it really seems like we spend most of our time debating Cassel, Haley, and the o-line. I just think they all have to take a back seat to this pass defense.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

i know..but you are right

your post is like going to the fridge for a nice glass of kool aid and find out you have nothing but sunny D…wait, that works too

by chiefsandcigars on Dec 3, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Our Secondary has absolutely killed us every single game.

It seems like we’ve been the weekly receiver star makers of opposing teams. It seems all that the Donkeys need to do to beat us will be their dink and dunk passing game on us.

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

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by oldchiefsfan on Dec 3, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

Re: Tight End's

our OLB’s are converted 4-3 defensive ends who have practically zero coverage skills. No shocker that opposing teams TE’s are open all day.

Our safeties. Good Lordy. I can’t decide who is worse in coverage – McGraw or Brown. After watching this duo there isn’t a single person on this site who can tell me they’re superior in pass protection than Bernard. Yes, it may have been his weakness but we didn’t replace him with anyone better. If Page & Pollard were our starting safeties there’s no question in my mind we’d be better in the defensive secondary.

Another thing I’ve learned this season is Carr is not #2 material and Flowers may not even be #1

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by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 3, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

I agree with Shuffle

Page and Pollard were better and had an upside.

by choirboy on Dec 3, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Considering Page is on IR

I don’t think there was any controlling how he truly ended his season with the Chiefs.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Dec 3, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Shuffle you have to let Pollard go man

He’s a run support safety and our run D is better then it was last year. His being gone is not the problem. Page is probably an upgrade over McGraw or Brown but not enough of an upgrade to fix this kind of a problem. We need upgrades over all four of these guys if we really want good safety play.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

does anyone

know why we play Carr 10 yards off of the WR he his covering….just wondering

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by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

just guessing

he has average speed so if the WR is fast and they’re 1 on 1 they are probably trying to protect against the deep ball.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

but

that would mean if that WR has any kind of Hot read or whatever they say he could just break into a slant or out whatever it would be….like shuffle said I think he needs more coaching, I wish we hadnt let Gibbs go

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by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

and that is the reason why we need to

upgrade the speed in the secondary.

DB’s play off = getting nickle and dimed
DB’s play up = getting burned all day long

by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 3, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

We need a true #1 calliber CB to come in if for no other reason than most teams now have 3 WRs that are of the #1 calliber.
 That is why I feel the most important moves to be made this year are in the secondary. I think we must get either Mays or Berry to be our FS and then get Myron Rolle to play SS that would be good. We also need to get a CB such as Jerome Murphy from SF, or Cox from Okl St, preferably. However Ghee from WF, Lewis from Vandy, or Lindley from Kentucky would upgrade our roster.

I also agree that the LB core needs to do much better in pass coverage. I think it will be hard to upgrade the S position, CB position and the LB corps all this season. We have some talented young LBs already who will continue to improve. Yes we could use an upgrade at ROLB and ILB but I feel we are solid enough in that position and will improve simply with exp next season.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 3, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

This is even more amazing

considering the outstanding play of Flowers. You’d think with a top 10 CB to build around you’d be able to rotate your coverage to the other side of the field. Yet somehow we still maange to get torched by TEs and anyone who feels like running a route to Carr’s side. Carr has been bad. The Safeties have been horrible. And our LBs have been epic fail in coverage.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

I think Carr has good coverage skills he just makes mental mistakes.

I still think he has the ability to be a starting CB if he can be coached up well. However, I would be thrilled to death if we brought in a CB next year that was good enough to push Carr into the nickel spot.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope he'll get there

and think he probably will. IT’s just been really really bad so far this year.

I’m hoping they’re seeing development from Washington in practice. Obviously we haven’t seen it in games yet.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I also think the entire seco9ndary would look alot better if we had some kind of pass rush.

Often when Carr has been really beaten the QB has 10 seconds to stand in the pocket.

by saskwatch on Dec 3, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Truth

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

well Porkchop my friend...you HAD to know I couldn't resist this post LOL!

Well guess what pal?? I’m BAAAACCCKK mwwaahhhaaaaa!!!
No I’ll let this one go cause your such a good sport. I’ll even sprinkle a little kool-aid around for you.

Here’s one big factor to take into consideration. I seriously doubt that there is anything anyone could have done different to change the defense this year anymore than we’ve already done.

We have a lot of young guys who seem to be getting better with time. So I feel confident that Pioli will get us a couple of awesome pass rushers which will change the entire dynamics of our defense next year. I believe that. So don’t be too discouraged. Remember we agreed early on in one of our first fights LOL that we would accept visible steady progress. I think if you take the overall big picture on defense we have. Yes we have a weakness in our pass defense that’s glaring. But glaring is goo. If we notice Pioli notices it.

We gotta give the Godfather a chance to do his magic. I feel very confident we will have a better D pass rushing next year. So chin up…ahh what the hell…here’s some kool-aid I been saving since the Pittsburgh game…you can have it. (-:

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

I agree kray

I do think Pioli will do something about it. I just wanted AP to understand that if Pioli puts more attention on this problem then the offensive line it is not because he is ignoring the o-line issues, but because this is a bigger problem.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

we’re clearly at our change threshold. lets hope next year is about reinforcing and developing stability.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

nice post Kray. I like the positivity.

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by kabrink on Dec 4, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Then everyone will bitch and moan

later in the season next year that they didn’t pick an o-lineman.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Dec 3, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

O-Line

I have been heavy in study and think we have a decent fairly young O-Line that is improving. I expect a couple moves in FA on the line but not much they have started to mold and can no longer be looked at as are biggest need.
  At this point more important positions to upgrade are in order FS, TE, SS, #2 RB, NT, OLB pass rusher,CB, KR/PR with all those holes and a deep skill position draft I am not expecting much movement in the O-Line through the draft.
  As of need
rd 1 S, NT, LB S
rd 2 S, CB, NT, LB, TE NT
rd 2 " " LB
rd 3 S
rd 4 CB
rd 5 TE
rd 5 These two pcks will be BPA per need.
rd 6
 
 Mainly I’m getting at not much sure fire at OL as it takes time for them to develop also we already have MANY young O-Line that we do not know how good they are so not much needed here as I would be comfortable next season with Albert, Waters, Smith, Brown, O’Call, with poss Ndukwe or Alleman playing RG also we have just brought in a couple more young O-Line who could develope so not much of a need there anymore. A CENTER would be really nice though.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 3, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Center and RG

are still gaping holes imo

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see us get a C on the first day, preferably in the 2nd round.

I think we can get a guard in FA. Or better yet Colin Brown works out at RG next year.

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by Big Chief on Dec 3, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll start a homeless shelter for stray dog and baby seals

if they sign Mankins.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the defensive holes

but I’m unwilling to let go of the OL as major. We need 3 new starters there I still believe. This also helps the defense if we stay on the field and score. I think with good work on the line, most of the other parts are there to be a good offense, not great but solid.

This doesn’t mean I think we need take OL in 1st round. No we can take Berry and that would be great. But, aren’t we going to be too low at 10 or so? (6 wins)

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by kabrink on Dec 4, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Despite all this our defense is better than last year

I don’t the KC has EVER had a defense as bad as last years, even during the Robinson years. Last year we couldn’t stop the run or pass, so teams ran on us at will, which is much worse than what we’re giving up on the pass. Our run D isn’t great, but in my viewpoint it has continued to improve as we’ve gone through the season. While I agree we need some upgrades at Safety and LB, the players also need time to adjust to the new scheme. That’s not true of last year, which was the third year of the Herm-Gunther “Cover Who?” scheme.

As a fellow Kool-Aid drinker, I’m still positive and believe we are on the road to building to a solid defense again.

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by Big Chief on Dec 3, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

I agree that the 3-4 is working

despite the low ranking (27th) our run D is clearly better then it was last year. I still think we’ll get it fixed, I just wanted to point out that his should be the first area of attention.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we can the O line help we need in the 2nd and 3rd rounds

I’m OK with getting another D player in round

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by Big Chief on Dec 3, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Post fail! Retry

I hope we get a safety in the first round. I’ve come to believe that the way the game is going now the nost critical position is safety instead of LB. Look at the impact Polamalu and Sanders have on their D’s. Those teams just aren’t the same without them. I truly believe if we want to get better, it’s time to look at safeties.

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by Big Chief on Dec 3, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

And Ed Reed, I know they hv Ray Lewis but you can't discount what he does either.

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by madtheory on Dec 3, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Run D is harder to fix than pass D

there’s some kool-aid for ya

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Pass D is more about individual perimeter talent, once D-Line is playing well.

I’d pick DB early and often, depending on where Washington, Leggett and Morgan are at by season end. But at this point, my expectations for Mo’ Leggs and DaJuan are pretty low, and I’m clueless about Washington’s up-side.

I love great pass rushers, but if the front 3 get push on EVERY play, regardless of run/pass, LBs and DBs will be getting tackles for loss. For next year, I’m more interested in adding a good, SMART 3-4 LB, with some NFL experience; otherwise, let the young ‘uns they have continue to develop a team concept. It’s very hard, without the d-line being finished, or the secondary being settled, to really know where they stand at LB.

At LB, if anything, I’d be lookin’ to go big, actually picking a ‘tweener for LB potential, rather than for DE potential, which was what McBride and Hali were chosen for. Hali was closer to the LB line, and he’s the ‘tweener that made the final cut. But that’s just the one guy.

And these sorts of ‘tweeners aren’t (to date) the kinds of players that typically go 1st round (or typically need to go 1st round). Everybody else is lookin’ for that ‘tweener who’s the next Freeney or Mathis or that LB who can play safety (treating symptoms, rather than root causes), while GOOD all-AROUND athletes in the 240-260 range with emphasis on football IQ tend to be overlooked, even though any number of them could prosper and even be stars in the right situation. I’m not saying restrict one’s attention to only poor man’s choices at LB, but by far your greatest effort ought to be the trenches and the perimeter.

Sorry, but LB in coverage is mostly a myth. It’s a myth that can be made reality by having enough confidence in your DBs to send 5 or 6 at will, from many formations, with GOOD confidence they’ll have free paths to the ball, thanks to superior d-line. You get that sort of thing going, and o-lines and QBs are off-balance enough that the LB (or even D-Lineman) dropping back in zone WORKS, and the 3- and 4-man rush WORKS.

Right now, the Chiefs have a very small number of variations they are able (or have confidence enough) to run at an almost-competitive level. ’Most everything else they try is just plain weak. Rotating coverages, dropping a d-lineman back in zone, … they have too many weak links to pull it off, and it all starts with being unable to single up any of their safeties in press coverage at any time. And this key problem pre-dates the entrance of Brown and the exit of Pollard.

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by hmills110 on Dec 4, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yep d is better ....

but the hiring of robinson ruined many years of my life!!!!!!
lol

booting donnie edwards
fujita
never mind…. i am almost in tears thinking about it!!!

by kcstevesportsfan on Dec 3, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with ya man

I still can’t figure out what kind of defense couldn’t use Donnie Edwards – except a pathetic Robinson D.

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by Big Chief on Dec 3, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to say this specifically to Porkchop because this post right here you just did

changed my thinking completely. I think we would be better off to get a humming machine of a defense. I bet with a few changes our offense will get better. If you have to pick one thing to fix as a main priority I have to say defense would be correct. I used to feel that the O line was the main thing first to get fixed.

however I think we need the D first and foremost. So thanks for the perspective.

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

thanks kray

I was with you man. Before I started looking at the stats I was okay with the progress we had made on D because of the improved run D and slight increase in sacks. I thought “well it’s the first year in the 3-4 and we are showing some progress, so that’s good enough for the first year.” But those numbers are just too bad to ignore. Making every QB look like Brady, every TE look like Tony G, every leading WR look better then Moss or Fitzgerald, that is just not cutting it. To me the passing game with the additions of Chambers and Long is showing some signs, Charles has improved the run game, and like I said the run D is getting a lot better. The pass defense is the one area where we just aren’t getting better so that has to be the priority.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

yah the more I think about it

if we try to patch up too many places at once, we’ll just be mediocre across the board. Right now we’re terrible across the board. But after your post, I was thinking instead of an all out balanced investement in all parts of our team, we need to get one area to be insane, kinda like the special teams has become.

I’d rather for starters, and I’ll say it once again, for starters to target ONE area and make it awesome. We can’t fix everything in one year. So I think we should go nuts on D next year and get the number one D in the NFL.

That alone will help the offense. Year after that we can go for broke on the offense. And then??? Well….muwaaahhaahaha…the SUPERBOWL.

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Add one more premiere D-Lineman. Sock some coin/picks into TOP defensive backs.

A lot can be done for the o-line for years to come in 2nd and later rounds. GREAT time to stock up that position group, although I’m not sure if left tackle is truly settled, yet, nor that there’s a left tackle KC should take in the 1st. That’s the one position where you need man-for-man dominance, and I don’t see any such players jumping out at me at this moment. I’m not a good judge of upside potential of left tackle candidates. I go mostly by terms like “talented but raw,” which in my experience means the guy has slow feet, insufficient knee-bend, poor football sense, or some combo thereof and will NEVER be playoff-caliber enough for the QB’s blind side.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Dec 4, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree the defense is the team's first priority. Pressure on the QB's

is obviously a must for any team looking to compete in the NFL today. That is why impact defensive players are a must in the draft, but it has to be pass rushing LB’s first that have the speed and skills to cover a TE. Better safeties can be had in the later rounds.

by chief66 on Dec 3, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

Define later rounds

I don’t see as getting anyone that is a big time upgrade after the second round and if you want a pro bowl type guy it probably has to be in the first. My thought on the pass rusher is we just need a solid edge rusher to come in on passing downs so that teams can’t slant the pass protection to Hali’s side. I think a speed rushing specialist can be found in the second or third round if we wanted to go safety in the first.

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by KCporkchop on Dec 3, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you have it backwards.

I don’t think you go LB before D-Line or DB. And pass-rushing LBs tend to emerge when the other two position groups are fully stocked and give the LBs room to run and decision-making leeway.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Dec 4, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we should receive legal repairations for being raped by Herm

or Carl whoever gave Jared Allen away. And who did NOT draft Polamalu for us. Hindsight Hindsight.

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Polamalu wasn't a hindsight thing.

It was a flat-out BLUNDER by a team that kept reaching for CB-S ‘tweeners by taking 2nd-tier talent based on measurables and hope. Right-minded in going after the Woods, Tongue, Bartee, Wesley types to break the “undersized cornerback” cycle of that time (and this) as a general principle, but unforgiveable to pass up the best talent at the position, where there IS no substitute for sheer talent. Mind you, I did have a soft spot for Bartee and Wesley, though. I never thought they were coached-/schemed-up to play to their strengths, and their weaknesses were – ironically – amplified by coverage schemes designed to keep them out of trouble. But that’s a whole ’nother story…

The loss of Jared Allen was effect, rather than cause – a consequence of previous blunders. It’s hard to make good moves when it’s your king and pawn against king and a pair of rooks. How could they keep Allen, when they could scarcely afford him, and having afforded him, scarcely find anyone respectable to side him! Other than Jared Allen, they were incapable of acquiring, developing, and retaining a decent supporting cast for his like. Let him go, take the draft pick, and get rid of the talent scouts and coaching staff that couldn’t draft, and having (not) drafted, couldn’t develop their own people.

Boy it’s a relief to have Carl and his cronies in the rear-view mirror. I think Carl knows a lot about football and running an organization, but he definitely stayed in the same place too long, with no clue how to break out of his rut. I wish him the best in the future, though, and maybe he’ll take over from the Tuna in Miami.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Dec 4, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

oh yah chops I forgot to rec ya'

I’ll do that right now. Thanks again for the post. It was non kool aid which was easier for me to swallow and it honestly was a big shift in my thinking for next year.

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

More seconday or more pass rush?

….I say both lol

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by woodman212 on Dec 3, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

No more D line in the first 2 rounds!

Safeties and LBs are what we need now. LBs have to do it all in a 3-4.

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by Big Chief on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what I mean...

Rush LB

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by woodman212 on Dec 4, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be upset to take a rush LB in the first round

But I’m really leaning toward a Safety. I think a top Safety could give us the biggest improvement in our D.

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by Big Chief on Dec 4, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea...

I will be the first to admit I know nothing about the upcoming draft. I don’t know who the top rushers are. I imagine there will be some improved rush from FA improvements and from TJ’s development and so on, so maybe that stuff will help us out a great deal

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by woodman212 on Dec 4, 2009 4:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Rush LB makes sense. I'm dubious about doing it in the 1st round, though.

My distant sense of the draft is nobody’s jumping out as worth 1st round on OL. Plenty of interior linemen and right tackles farther down, and a number of left tackles to maybe take a flier on as long-term projects in the 2nd or 3rd.

And I think I’d go DB before just about anything else. I think Haley and Pioli have a good eye for WR talent, and the ruthlessness needed to make changes early and often, as needed. With a good-to-great DB corps, they will have a lot more success evaluating and developing more longshots at WR, a position that is not thought to be particularly dominant in this next draft. Likely do as much good with 2 or 3 later-round prospects with upside, hoping to develop one or more. If nothing decent developed in season 2 of the new regime at LB or WR, year 3 would be the year to try for the best WR and LB in the draft.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Dec 4, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't follow the college game, so all I know is what I pick up here

in one of the 500,000 mock draft posts that have been up. I will say that before this season I would have been all over getting the best LB in the first round, but now I believe that we’d be better getting the best Safety.

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by Big Chief on Dec 4, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

With NT the missing piece, 2nd or 3rd round would be fine by me.

It’s the front lines where you should be spending your 1st day picks. You do THAT, grasshoppah, and you will be considered a genius for your eye for talent at LB in the 3rd and later rounds. You will magically rejuvenate the careers of washed-up veteran LBs with this approach.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Dec 4, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I always like the way you think

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 3, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

possibly a bright(er) spot

This from the Chiefs Team Report on Yahoo Sports:

Completion percentage: If a quarterback is getting rid of the ball early and in awkward positions, he’s prone to missing his receivers. Last Sunday, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers was 21 of 28, a completion percentage of 75 percent. That’s pretty darn good and an indication that Rivers wasn’t bothered by the Chiefs’ rush. On the season, opposing quarterbacks are completing 59.2 percent of their passes. That’s tied for 10th in the league for the lowest opponent completion percentage.
So at least in one category our pass defense is doing OK. And this one thing is a good reason why it is better to give up the medium passes than allow one long pass…they just might not complete a couple.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now. 11/18 Oh My! Dbowe gets a restraining order to stay 1200 yards away from the Chiefs. Argh! Can we go 5-11? Can the defense make #20?

by Zodeman on Dec 5, 2009 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

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