I will give Pioli Credit...ego and all
I know Whitlock has beat on Pioli and Haley for their ego but one thing i was thinking of is that in times like this it takes a big ego to stay the course. Sure there are times when you can be overconfident but i think it is much better when you stick to a plan and don't get sidetracked by outside influences. I am 100 % sure Pioli has Parcells keeping him up and focused as we go forward. But for a change i will state some very positive things we have going into the future:
1. A coach that CARES 100 percent about winning period. He has made mistakes (admitted them also) and will continue to make more mistakes but unlike some used car salesman slick coach he stands up there takes his beating and works his butt off. Go look at film of a young Cowher does he look/act a lot different that Haley? Not standing up for Haley's game day issues or saying his is the next Cowher but we took a risk on a young talented coach as part of the plan.
2. Pioli changed the entire culture from top to bottom. I do not agree with all his moves BUT if you have read about or been involved with change or change management this is ALWAYS the best move long-term. Get a new perspective and new expectations. Again, the key for me is not to keep changing back and forth... most teams go from Offensive coach to defensive and back and forth (Gunther, VErmeil, Herm, Haley, etc). We have talked about 3-4 for years and knew it would be very tough to make the change but again Pioli did not put the Carl Peterson Ty Law quick fix on it. He made the change and dedicated one and maybe more entire drafts to the change.
3. I have been on Clark's case for 2 years now (yes i have called him Clark Bidwell and not going to start that up again) BUT he hired the best. Pioli was the best available talent and Clark locked him up and for that I give him credit. I think Clark is very much hands off but he knew that and hired the best. He also needs to embrace we are in a recession and make an effort to reach out to fans and lower costs and give some great incentives. Hell call next door I think the Royals have done very nice job at providing low priced options. NOW i need to see him open up the wallet and let Pioli be aggressive (first with top rate coaches) and second with Free Agents. The Chambers deal was a good sign as it showed he would invest over 2 million for a player for half a season. I am not asking for a Dan Snyder approach BUT i have said many times Snyder WILL get it right someday as he continues to try new things...Plus if you look up NFL team values he is not as dumb as he looks. He owns the stadium outright instead of the city.
4. In a few weeks we will know a lot about the next 3 to 5 years of this franchise. Again, not saying we need to go out and play madden with free agents but I want to see that plan that i know Pioli has. Make trades and act quickly on coaches and players that FIT. IF i see that i will call this year what it has been...a transition/rebuilding year. If I don't see the moves made and we have another questionable draft I think a lot of the GREAT KC fan base will be lost for good. I will always be loyal. I will always read all I can and do my stupid mock offseasons and watch every play because it is part of me BUT I would argue the people on this site are the rock solid fans and others just cannot stomach the losses (not that i disagree with them)
5. So after watching a really pathetic year of football I am going into 2010 thinking positive thoughts about the Chiefs. It is pretty clear they understand our needs and I think Pioli will exhaust every effort to give us a better product in 2010 without sacrificing a future. Just please don't go get bombed by Denver I hate them!
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Well Said.... wrecked.
It’s easy to lose sight of what we are this season… you see teams and fans all around you getting excited for the playoffs. And you haven’t sniffed them in six years (not counting the one in a million back door playoff appearance a couple of years ago).
What we are is a team that was deconstructed to its foundation. Now we build. And I agree, Pioli is an award winning contractor.
P.S. Are you Otto?
We are building a fighting force of extwaordinary magnitude.
WAITER! I'd like what he's having ... including the Kool Aid
wow, so much to debate, so many oints to call BS on, where to start? hmmmmm …. alright, let’s get started, shall we?
1) we have a coach who has no clue about “winning” much less how to run a team … yes, he’s young and (obviously) cluelss, the guy needs as much help as he can get, so what does he do? he fires one the best OC’s in Chan Gailey, and does so just prior to the opener, forcing the team to learn a new offensive playbook and terminology … that takes months, not weeks, and it’s haunted us all yer long
in addition he’s too stubborn to even LOOK at new/younger/other players that don’t match HIS perception of “talented” (witness: LJ as starter until the Twitter Incident, while Jamaal Charles was wasting away on the bench … and the same can be said of QB)
2) Pioli hasn’t changed the culture one bit, and he blew off the draft this year by being too lazy (or arrogant) to address the team’s needs until it was too late … we didn’t NEED a new QB, we NEEDED (and still need) O-Line … any NFL executive will tell you: you start on the line, not with the “skill positions” … and what area needs the longest time together to play well? of course, the O-Line … and how many draft picks were spent on O-Line? thank you, I rest my case
as far as I’m concerned, Pioli wasted the entire off-season … was it arrogance thinking he could “fix” the team with a snap of his fingers? was it laziness that he didn’t bother to look at last year’s game tapes? was it stupidity and he couldn’t figure it out? has to one of those, or mabe all …
3) Clark Hunt is no Bill Bidwell, thank goodness for that … but do realize the NFL is a BU$INE$$ … it exists for our entertainment, but the Bottom Line is still the Bottom Line, and that’s all about MONEY, honey … I was more than disgusted earlier this year when Pioli was doing a King Carl imitation and bringing in 35 yo WR’s … please, this team would have been so much better NOW had Herm stayed on from last year AND we’d continued with the rebuild HE started LAST YEAR
4) The Right 53 and The Plan … huh? wtf is that all about? anything where Jingoism prevails over Talent is ludicrous (IMNSHO) … Pioli (and Haley) have dragged this team down further than it was a year ago (go check out the Scout.com article in today’s Arrowheadlines, if you dare) .. personally, yeah, I’ll always be a fan, but I’ll call BS when I see it, and so far Pioli is BS, and so is Haley … does that fall on Clark Hunt? time will tell, he is a “hands off” owner, as he should be
5) The Future – if Pioli doesn’t address O-Line with about 3 or 4 picks this year I’ll have to assume he’s a Rebel Without A Clue and needs to go … if Cassel is still starting next year and we see the same numbers from him, while Croyle rides the bench again, I’ll assume the same of Haley … and be among the first to call for both of their heads … beyond that, we shall see
and finally, on a personal not, if you’re reading this … “hi, Mo”
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
He hasn't had TIME to accomplish anything
I respect the hell out of your opinion up, and he really did need some O-line help this year. In response:
1. Would you rather have waited until week 5 to fire Gailey? For whatever reason, Haley figured he COULD call the plays. I know that, with the timing of what went down, there was obviously a conflict. I would say it was a GOOD decision not to let that conflict fester through a whole season. Again, I see your point, but I’m tending to let the new head coach slide on this one.
2. Pioli had a priority this year… and it wasn’t O-line. He wanted to hitch his wagon to what is (at least in his mind) a franchise QB. He thought Cassel was it. We’ll see, but I think that Pioli realizes that his future employment will depend on that choice.
3. You’re right here, with one caveat. Would you rather be signing free agent Bobby Sippios from the Arena League or UFL? Or WR’s that have been there, done that? The only thing about 35 year old WR’s is that they are SLOW. No seperation equals Cassel trying to thread the needle. Which he hasn’t done very well.
4. New hires ALWAYS have things to say about changing culture of losing. Jingoism? Guilty. So is the rest of the laeague.
5. Completely agree. We need improvement. It all will hinge on scoring more that ten a game. Cassel will have to be accurate. O-line will need to improve. So will overall team speed.
But you’ve got to give Mr. Jingo time.
We are building a fighting force of extwaordinary magnitude.
Ozarks - thank you for the comments and respect, and I respect your opinions as well, brother
won’t disagree Pioli hasn’t had time, but then too … Herm didn’t have time either, given he really only had last year to remodel the team (his first two yrs here were under Carl’s control, totally)
that said …
on Gailey: either tell him in Feb you want to go a different direction and then either work it out or not, or let him stay on doing what he does best for the year, but you don’t change 2 wks before opening game … have you seen an NFL playbook? expecting guys to know the plays, the terminology, etc in 2 wks is insane
yes, Pioli hitched his wagon to the team, but he forgot to get horses to pull it … he got Cassel to hold the reins, but they don’t go to anything … again, had he concentrated on O-Line in the draft to protect his investment (Cassel) and at least begin to improve the O-Line, I’d have had no issues (or at least far less issues) with the guy
in terms of WR’s … anyone under 30 would be worth a look, IMNSHO, but early on they were bringing in over-the-hill vets a la King Carl’s One Player Away philosophy … we had a good START to a tear-down/rebuild/youth movement last year … ok, you don’t like Herm, fine, but don’t undo the GOOD things he did (and we sorely needed that housecleaning and youth, and last year was really the FIRST that Herm was allowed to do that) … I also wish Pioli, after dealing TonyG, had drafted Chase Coffman in 3rd round instead of McGee … again, just IMNSHO, but I think Coffman COULD have been our “next” TonyG type player
and my issue with “jingoism” and this whole “Right 53” nonsense is that when it trumps TALENT on the roster, the team loses … yes, it’s just that simple
in some ways, we’re not THAT far apart … and so it goes
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I feel you upamtn except about the QB thing
and how do you do that cool quote box thingy? I still don’t know how to. but I think before ANYTHING else you get a superstar QB. Jamaal Charles caliber only in a QB. Then you build a team up around that. Since we don’t have that…we build around Charles IMO!
kray, you WOULD ask something like that ...
how do you do that cool quote box thingy?
I have no earthly clue … if and when I find out I’ll let you know!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I saw the headline...
and new that had to be you. I agree with you on most accounts, usually, but have you seen our recievers? Come on. Give them some credit too.
12t - yah, my headlines are pretty easy to spot =grinning= which is a good thing, I suppose
and no argument our recievers are less than stellar much of the time, but then too, some of that is on Cassel … they guy can’t make it happen past about 10 yrds (see Scout.com post from today’s Arrowheadlines, it’s spot on correct)
I’ll add to that one other comment: Haley was supposed to be the Offensive Guru, the Mastermind, the Wizard of Arizona who could do anything with the passing game … wrong, Batman … he seems to be lost, both as HC and OC, and especially with the passing game … so much for reputation
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Did you really just call for Brokie over Cassel?
I was begining to think your post had some merrit but then i read your last point about Croyle. Yuck! How many games has he won while he has been here? You say our team is worse than it was under Carl and Herm but yet Cassel was able to wing three games this year with a worse team while Croyle couldnt win one with the better team? I guess you lost me…..
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Dec 29, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
paratrooper ... I called for FINDING OUT how good Croyle is a few weeks ago ...
and I think Pioli and Haley owe it to themselves, the team and yes, Clark Hunt to give Croyle a shot and see what he has, see if hhe IS better than Cassel … and considering the arm and raw skills that Croyle DOES have, it would definitely be worth a shot given that this year has been no more than “evaluation of talent”
Croyle CLEARLY has more potential than Cassel, and it’s a waste of his talent and skills for him to sit on the bench while the season goes down the tubes … just as it was a waste for Charles to sit on the bench while 2.7 was starting every game
finally, Carl was “done” a year ago, that was when Hunt finally allowed Herm to BEGIN the badly needed tear-down and rebuild of the team … last year … look at last year’s draft and how many are still with the team … given that those guys were rookies, it’s not a surprise they’ve improved … imagine it there had been continuity of scheme, playbook, playcalling ON TOP OF a year’s growth … I’d guarantee you that with a GOOD draft this year, Herm would indeed have won more than 3 games … most likely 6 or more (IMNSHO) and that would be real progress … sadly, I’ve seen a distinct lack of progress this year, new regime or not
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Wow, where do I even start?
Croyle CLEARLY has more potential than Cassel
Pioli and Haley owe it to themselves, the team and yes, Clark Hunt to give Croyle a shot and see what he has
sadly, I’ve seen a distinct lack of progress this year, new regime or not
There’s a highschool QB that lives down the street from me that CLEARLY has more potential than Peyton Manning. That’s a fact. You know why that’s a fact? Because POTENTIAL to do something means that you haven’t ever actually done anything. A rock sitting in place at the top of a hill has more potential than Brodie Croyle too. I don’t give a crap about potential when it comes Croyle. He’s HAD chances. It’s not like the team hasn’t gone out of their way to try and FORCE him onto the field as the starting QB for the last 3 years. The entire orginization pushed to get the guy on the field on multiple occations and all that potential has managed to produce ZERO WINS and 3 season ending injuries.
On the other hand, Cassel has actually won games in the NFL. He led a team to 11 and 5 and he produced more wins this year than KC had last year, on what you have stated is a worse team. Cassel has been on his back 50 times. He’s been ‘touched’ over 90 times, and he’s been running for his life on the majority of ever snap all year. Cassel has been plagued by an O-Line that can’t keep him clean for even 2 seconds on almost every offensive snap all season. Cassel has been taking snaps from a center that snaps it over his head in the shotgun, and doesn’t secure the snap under center. Nilswanger gets beat so often up the middle that he’s sloppy snapping the ball in a desperate attempt to get on his blocks soon enough to actually fulfil his blocking assignmaetns. Cassel’s been stuck with a RB that can’t gain enough yards running to put the team is favorible down and distance on 3rd downs for the greater part of the season (LJ). Cassel has no confidnece in his O-Line, absolutely none. Having no confidence in your O-Line (which is completely warented) leads to a QB with happy-feet and a QB that rushes throws before the play has actually developed on the RARE occation that he actually does have enough time to go through his progressions. On top of all that Cassel has a group of receivers that don’t seem to understand that thier job is to CATH THE DAMN BALL. If you go back in time and the receivers catch even 1/2 of the 50 drops attributed to them Cassel looks like a completely different QB. Cassel is NOT the problem, not even close. Brokie is NOT the solution, not even close.
Yes, Brokie has the stronger arm. But Brokie has proven time and again that his stronger arm translates to NOTHING in terms of wins. Brokie has had his chance. We’ve got our QB that has PROVEN he can win. It’s time to work on the O-line and give him the confidence in the pocket he needs to get the job done. Putting Brokie back on the field yet again won’t serve any purpose other than to create a QB controversy on a team that is DESPERATE to form an identity.
As to the distinct lack of progress:
Running game sure an hell looks better with JC in the game instead of LJ.
O-line sure as hell looks better with Sackintosh gone and Wade Smith on the bench. They still need a LOT of improvement, but there is progress.
(Yes I said it, you can quote me) Tamba Hali is sooooooo much better of a pass rusher out of the Jack-Backer spot than he was as a 4-3 DE that it’s not even comparable.
McGraw is far and away a better safety than Pollard ever will be. Pollard may be able to lay on the big hit, but that’s all he could ever do.
Dorsey looks to be comming into his own as the second year comes to a close. I’m nothing but positive about his comming critical 3rd season.
Jackson has done well as a rookie on the other side. His play has gotten better as the year has gone along.
Vrabel, even at his age, is the best LB we have on the field. He’s smart and he’s always int he right place. He makes plays with his head. He doesn’t over pursue his gap assignments, and he is educating our terrible excuse for a LB core.
Flowers continutes to improve with more time on the field. This guy could really be something special in the future.
Carr, while not as good as Flowers has improved significantly this season over last in his coverage abilities.
The major problems with the Chiefs are all right up the center of the field.
Brown is not the long term solution at safetly.
We need Page back on the field from injury.
Mays/Williams are just piss poor at gap protection and shallows pass coverage. LB’s are a huge area of need.
Edwards is trying is best, and seems to manage to take on the double team and eat up the blocks, but he doesn’t have the strength or the speed to split the block and collapse the pocket in the middle at all.
Nilswanger has no business being on the field. He’s only in there because we don’t have anyone else.
BOTH guards need help. The RG is supposed to be your workhorse run blocker, and Waters at LG is obviously falling off in production. We need to trade Waters away for a pick BEFORE next season. (Next season he will PROVE to the rest of the league that he’s on the serious decline and be worth nothing). It’s ALWAYS the smarter move to trade a player away a year too soon than to hoild on to them a year too late.
And we need a bruiser of a RB to compliment Charles in the back field.
The center of our field is terrible. That is the root of the problem. Cassel has alreaddy shown he can win, but he needs some help from an O-line, a consistent running game, and receivers that catch the ball.
Brokie has had muliple chances to show that he cannot win games, no matter how much stronger his arm is.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Dec 29, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
well said tex
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Agree
We have a gut problem :(
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 29, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
I just wish we would
have dealt “Brokie” and gotten a pick from a QB starved team. One man’s trash…….
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 29, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
yeah...
I just made a fanshot from the Seahawks SB site, they were just talking about wanting Croyle
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Rec'd!
Wish I could be as elloquant about it as you were.
Things of importance to me:
1)God
2)Family
3)Chiefs
4)Marine Corps
Wrecked
Completely agree with you on Cassel. He has no reason to trust anyone blocking for him, as the sacks, hits, and hurries have shown. I have no doubt that this is the reason for his happy feet, hesitance, and overall lack of consistency.
On the other side, I can’t believe I haven’t seen more attention placed on the LB core in all of the mocks I’ve seen. Definitely need a Brian Cushing type in the mix there—someone athletic enough to make plays sideline to sideline, but doesn’t COMPLETELY rely on his athleticism a la Derrick Johnson.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Thank you, thank you... I've been waiting for you to blast something like this for a little while.
Rec’d
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Dec 29, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
I appreciate the Rec....
…..and i really would like to be able to post more on AHP lioke i did in the offseason, but work has been killing me lately. I’ve had to choose between putting togerther posts and watching my game film.
Also know that my intention is not to “blast” anyone, but just to make a point about Cassel to those that who keep calling for Brokie overlook on a regular basis.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Dec 30, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I find it hard to believe
that some people still think that brokie should be our starting qb, brokie is NOT an nfl qb never has been never will be. We wasted 3 years trying to MAKE him our franchise qb and he couldnt do it, hell he couldnt even beat out huard for the starting position, that tells you how good he is. Also not sure how you can say he has more potential than Cassel he is no where even close to being as good as Cassel, even with this year that Cassel is having it is still better than anything that brokie has put up. And we have seen what herm can do with a team and that is run it straight into the ground. Funny how people seem to forget thats twice now that he took a playoff team and ran it straight into the ground. I also dont understand how after the crap that we’ve had to watch the last 3 years people were willing to give herm and brokie another year to prove they could do nothing, but you arent willing to give Pioli, Haley or Cassel at least 1 full year before you start wanting them gone. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Im fine with that, just dont understand your logic
Seriously, dude?
Brodie?
“Come on, man!”
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
upamtn, you have your opinions,
but to already dismiss a GM after one offseason and one season, not to mention how late in the game Pioli was hired, knocks your credibility down a couple notches. It is not only an unfair assessment, but completely out of line to assume Pioli doesn’t know what he’s doing, is too lazy to draft accurately, or too egotistical to do the job right. That sounds more like hater-aid than anything. If you thought this team could be rebuilt the right way in even two seasons, you are mistaken. By the way, this fanpost is about seeing hope for our team through all of the adversity this season and you just felt the need to take a dump on it?
old-school ... I'm not calling for Pioli's dismissal (yet) ... BUT ...
Pioli wasn’t hired so late that he didn’t have time to study last year’s games and figure out a better plan (as opposed to what amounts to no plan whatsoever) to improve the team in the draft – that SHOULD have been priority one, no excuses acceptable
that said, anyone who is either A) in professional football at some level, or B) a KC Chiefs fan … knew last year that our O-Line was atrocious and needed major upgrades … and what happened? nothing in the draft, and nothing in free-agency … nothing but a couple of 2nd and 3rd string castoffs from Big Tuna … that is NOT how to improve the O-Line
and given that he went out and got the supposed QBotF don’t you think it would have been the LEAST he could do to try to make sure his QBotF was protected? I know I would … and as I’ve long said, and any NFL GM will tell you, you start with the linemen … O-Line should have been addressed BEFORE the QB position
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I'm cool with us getting a QB...At the time it seemed like a great signing. (that's all I'm going to say)
However, I agree with you that he should have been much more active in trying to upgrade the line. Our 3rd round pick should have been used to get a Center instead of flushing it down the toilet on a backup D-lineman. The Goff signing was a joke. And, I wish I could develope an educated opinion about Alleman/Ndukwe but, I rarely see them play! I still have yet to see Ndukwe play Guard which he seems to be best suited for.
I’m on the fence about Pioli but, I can say this, his moves have been less than impressive…especially regarding last years draft.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 29, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
1970 - the reason Alleman and Ndukwe rarely play is because they aren't very good
and Goff … don’t get me started on Goff …
yeah, I’m fried that Pioli wasted middle rounds of draft … to me that’s what it was, a waste … and Goff was beyond that
again, I can see using the year as simple “evaluation of talent” (but if that’s all it will be, lower the ticket prices, huh?) but even then, Pioli had time to “do his homework” and look at tapes from last year … talk to Gailey, talk to Waters (oh, never mind), talk to anyone from AP … whatever, but find out the NEEDS of the team and address them, especially the long-term needs like ahem O-Line
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I think Haley and Pioli brought in Haley's dad to have a look in the preseason
That was a rock looked under :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 29, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I remember that
He was also pretty blunt about the state of the franchise. He said he didn’t see how this team could turn it around in less than a few years.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 29, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Alleman and Ndukwe both have been hurt a lot.
It’s probably why they were trade bait this year. Hurt them in the competition in Miami, even though Ndukwe has a good year at G under his belt, IIRC. Ndukwe’s hurt right now. Alleman played when Waters was hurt. Wade Smith started Sunday, I believe, because Alleman’s dinged-up.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
last year's games
That offensive line looked really really good when they ran spread all day long. A rookie LT with 3.5 sacks over 16 games, wow! If you watched the games again you would see Macintosh was the only one that really needed to be replaced which is Colin Brown.
So to say Pioli didn’t fill the needs on this team is honestly wrong. We set a record for suckage on rushing the passer. He seen that and went heavy drafting defense to shore up that problem. The problem he didn’t see is the issue that Gailey covered up by running the spread.
Bra - yes, Pioli address our lack of sacks, how awesome!
so now we have more sacks than last year … while the RBs go flying past our D-Line and LBs …
and this is some kind of vast improvement … HOW?
hi, Mo!
Because...
this year we played in a professional formation vice a collegiate one. Can’t get better lowering the bar of expectations.
And many of people have said on here that the way to win championships is through solid D. Takes longer to shore up a D line than it does an O line. If D had played better this year we could have won at a minimum 3 more games. Cassel and crew put the team in the position to win if the D had held. It didn’t. Still is the priority if you ask me. O line has come together and has been providing more time. A dedicated QB coach will do wonders for Cassel.
Things of importance to me:
1)God
2)Family
3)Chiefs
4)Marine Corps
QB not important?
we didn’t NEED a new QB, we NEEDED (and still need) O-Line … any NFL executive will tell you: you start on the line, not with the "skill positions" …
I challenge you to name one contending team that doesn’t have a competent, if not top tier QB. Thigpen and Gailey were entertaining and fun, but their shenanigans didn’t get us any real wins last time I checked. Cassel was the right choice – this shouldn’t be debated (but has on AP adnauseum) until – to your point – he has a decent line for a FULL season.
Now that our line is playing well enough to protect and open holes for the running game, the major deficiency of play is coming from…you guessed it….the Skill Positions; primarily WR. If Pioli would have had more faith in Dorsey to succeed in his new role, we could’ve used that 3rd round pick on Mike Wallace or Austin Collie – that I would agree with you on.
Bottom line on the Cassel thing.
He just needs to play better. I think the signing was a good thing but, maybe the premature contract wasn’t so much. If he had to wait for the big contract, would he have played better this year?
As far as firing Chan Gailey, Haley had a vision for his offense which was much different from Gaileys. Gailey wanted to make something work that suited the players here which is fine BUT, Haley had a system that he wanted to implemement and was obviously willing to deal with the growing pains of forcing that system on these players. Whatever the result. In the long term, Haley was right IMO. This offense looks to be the start of an outstanding NFL, pro style offense. But,ONLY if Cassel improves.
Which is still going to be the question of the new decade: Can Cassel become the QB that we need him to be? If he doesn’t have the best offseason ever by any QB in history, my guess is no based on what I have seen. Hopefully I’m wrong.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 29, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
So we should have payed Cassel his franchise tag this year
and then maybe another tag next year. If we went that route we payed him in two seasons what he is guaranteed to make in 6. Plus Cassels contract is front loaded, so in three seasons if he still is playing like this we can say see ya in find us a new QB. I
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Dec 29, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
The contract
is hard to understand for many people.
The other thing that can be factored in is the contract extensions that were going to happen to Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning. (I think it was those two)
Also - not jumping to conclusions
I know you understand a QB is important to our success – just don’t understand how Pioli shouldn’t have made that move. Vrabel himself was worth close to that 2nd rounder.
Very well done post, thank you for your thoughts!
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The "ego" seems to be as much of a myth as the 5-year plan of Carl's
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by woodman212 on Dec 29, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Can you even imagine if Pioli had an ego as big as Bellichek
the WWE or one of those wrestling groups would have a Smackdown Special
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 29, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions

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