Bengals' Palmer Thinks Chiefs' Cassel Will Be Better With Better Players
by Joel Thorman on Dec 26, 2009 5:00 PM CST
in 2009 Kansas City Chiefs Campaign
Email
PrintAs many of you know, Carson Palmer and Matt Cassel both went to USC. They were even roommates at one point (good read from Bob Gretz on that). Both were very complimentary of each other. Palmer said he knew Cassel would take advantage of his first opportunity and Cassel said Palmer had been terrific in a mentor role throughout his career.
Palmer also said it's been fun to "watch him progress from a third string to a backup to a starter and now to a franchise quarterback in Kansas City."
I'd be careful of throwing around "franchise quarterback" but Palmer also believes Cassel will be better once he gets some talent around him.
"If they can get good players around him, he's going to be successful," Palmer said.
This would then imply the Chiefs don't have talent around him, which I think is the case, particularly around the offensive line. The drops at receiver a strange phenomenon but correcting that is all part of Palmer's good players comment.
Despite the lack of talent or wrong members of the right 53, Chiefs head coach Todd Haley told Cincinnati reporters this week that Cassel has been dealing with adversity but he expects him to rebound.
"He's had to deal with drops by receivers and tight ends and real adversity," Haley said. "He's got the arm and the athletic ability. I think it's all just part of the process for him."
Palmer's comments are simple but I think they pretty much nail it. I hear a lot of folks arguing that Cassel only did well in New England because he had a lot of talent around him. Well...isn't that kind of the plan with Pioli and Co. here?
41 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
The Chiefs have enough talent to be competitve
on offense. Defensively, the cupboard is pretty bare. But on offense, Bowe Chambers, and Charles is much more in the skill positions than quite a few “bad” teams have. Hell, look what the Mannnings are working with and it is close to what Indy has and more than what the Giants have. Manning is able to make stars out of whatever #2 guy he is working with. The difference is our QB sucks.
Does Cincy have top line skill position players on offense? No, but they don’t need to since they have top level talent at QB.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Dec 26, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
How is it Cassel's fault that his WRs keep dropping on the ball?
What is he suppose to do? Put super glue on the ball.
by ChiefsFan90s on Dec 26, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
There is really no comparison with the talent on their team, man...
Pro Bowl WR, Top 5 pick at QB, Top 5 Pick at RB, 1st Round Backup RB, Top 10 Pick at Tackle…..
Bowe was a pick in the 20’s, Charles was a 3rd(?), Chambers was cut by a team this year, One of the worst lines in the league, Cassel has never been called a Carson Palmer. He is a different kind of QB but that doesn’t make him bad. This agenda against Cassel is getting real old. Perspective.
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
by woodman212 on Dec 26, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
it is getting real old. Im beginning to think that he is brokie croyle or a relative of his that is pissed off that Cassel came in and took his job
Just because you disagree with me
Doesn’t mean you can tell me to shut up. I would tell you where to go, suck, or lick but there are a lot of Cassel lovers on this board that would love to have a reason to put me off of this site.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Dec 26, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
No one is wanting you to shut up
Just keep perspective…it’s seeming pretty agenda like. And nobody wants to get rid of you bones
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
Are you serious
Bowe missed a month of football, Chambers was cut by a playoff team so that tells you what kind of talent he has and Charles has just started showing what he can do. Cassel has had no running game to speak of this year, an offensive line that cant do anything and a revolving door receivers that cant catch the ball, what exactly is he supposed to do. You are comparing him to Carson Palmer ok lets compare, add in all the DROPS that the receivers have had this year and Cassel is beating him in every stat
As long as
You do that for cassell do it for palmer also.
by WannabeChief_83 on Dec 26, 2009 8:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have not been impressed with Cassel so far
But I see potential….one thing that the Bengals and Giants have is much better offensive line players. That helps to make your unheralded WR corps look better. With more time, and not such happy feet Cassel will get better.
The Giants WR corp isn’t too shabby either. Manningham, Smith and Nicks are the best YOUNG trio in the league.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Dec 26, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
I wasnt saying that....
I was responding to Bonesjacksons post about the Manning bros. and the Bengals
Is this a joke?
If you don’t like Cassel..that’s fine. But your statements here are just flat out wrong, which hampers your creibility.
Indy – One of the 5 best receivers in the league. One of the 3 best TEs. 2 – 1st round RBs. And 3 other receiver who are good enough to capitalize on the double teams that all the other high end talent draws.
NYG – 2 fantastic RBs. One of the 3 best OLs in the league. An established TE. 4….that’s right 4 WRs drafted in first 3 rounds of the draft.
Cincy – Have you even seen them play? The win running the ball and playing great D. Even so, their OL is much better than ours. Their Running game is more balanced and consistent than our. And they have 3 WRs good enough to start for us. One of which is a star.
Get real dude.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 27, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Palmer was the best man in Cassels wedding.
These two go way back. You know to expect compliments but I think Carson’s right here. If we get the right pieces around him, QB won’t be a problem for us for a while.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
I know everyone thinks its the talent
but maybe Cassel would be better if he had an OC and QB coach. With Haley trying to juggle 3 different roles and the revolving door at WR and TE, i think stability would be a good start this offseason. Then surround him with the talent he needs and see if it pans out, because if its not at that point either Cassel, or Haley needs a plane ticket.
This Statement:
“I hear a lot of folks arguing that Cassel only did well in New England because he had a lot of talent around him. Well…isn’t that kind of the plan with Pioli and Co. here?”
What playoff team has absolutely NO talent besides the QB position?
So.................
You are saying that Bowe, Chambers, and Charles is “NO talent”?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Dec 26, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
No,
What I was saying is that pointing out that a QB will be better with better talent is like saying that a cheeseburger will be better with bacon. Its a no-brainer
Nice analogy by Sam D
It must be near supper time.
by Nick Britt on Dec 26, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Then why say something like this??
What playoff team has absolutely NO talent besides the QB position?
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Dec 26, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
That nails exactly what I was saying.
No good team is bare besides the QB position. You can’t expect Cassel to be a top quarterback with a relatively bare offense. Charles and Chambers are the only ones that are consistent; even Chambers can’t always get the job done. Why the hate-boner for Cassel?
uh, you think?
I would think that theory holds true for 99% of the qb’s in the league. JaMarcus being the exception. And maybe Palmer’s brother.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Dec 26, 2009 5:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Matt is our franchise quarterback
I’d be careful of throwing around “franchise quarterback” but Palmer also believes Cassel will be better once he gets some talent around him.
Like it or not, at his salary, he is the franchise quarterback. You cannot replace a guy that you are paying $15 mill + for the next several years.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
hmmm.
Cassel is a good qb but not great one. It would help if we had a great WR core and a 1st string line but we have parts of both. Drops dont help but neither does bad decisions. I like Cassel and I like giving chances. I liked Bradley but he had his chances and messed them up. To be honest I’d rather have Cassel than Palmer any day.
Hali, Johnson, Vrable, Mays, Williams, Studebaker, Belcher
-Come Get Some-
Cassel feels this way
Too then. He supposedly texts and talks to Brady and Palmer constantly, so I assume he’s telling his friends he has no talent around him.
by Chief-Eli on Dec 26, 2009 7:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Someone with more time go back through bonesjackson comments
see if anything out of him since we got rid of Thigpen has been constructive
some people on here keep bitching about Cassel
ive asked several times who they think should be our starter and they never respond. I think they just like to bitch and complain no matter who the starter is they wont be happy with them.
I suppose they would like
Michael Vick?
Positive Yards! I've been sayin it for years.
I THINK YOU'VE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY TROLLED.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
The whole team needs better talent!
If anyone knows you need better talent in your team to be successful it’s Palmer and the shit ass bengals franchise. Everyone is talking targets for cassel, in chambers, bowe and Charles it’s about the other 22 starters on the chiefs and the 31 backups in the roster. The chiefs are rebuilding the entire organization under pioli nor just the team. From coaches, staff, scouts and office protocol and personnel. Things HAD to change in kc. Peterson ran this organization into the depths of below mediocre. Cassel us one tough hombre who is battle tested and learned behind one if tbd leagues greats. He’s the last if our worries right now. The chiefs need 8-11 new starters for next year.
by cameltoeuchdowns on Dec 27, 2009 1:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Cassel over throws a lot.
Maybe it is that the WR’s aren’t used to him not over throwing? When they get a good one they just don’t know what to do.
Its hard to judge speed when your wide outs run slower than I can roll
!. A wheelchair
2. A joint
3. ok well thats all I could come up with but you get it right?
by readANDgold58 on Dec 27, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
bring back
ashely and toomer and i bet half of the drops would of been catches. also isnt good old number 82 aka donte hall still a free agent. sign these guys and BAMMMMMM this whole season is a different story with sure handed wide outs and a slower but still spectacular return man.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Arrowhead Pride
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SBNation.com Recent Stories
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
