Cassel talk and roster breakdown.
by kcchiefstd on Dec 22, 2009 4:09 PM CST
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PrintWhat I'm saying is Matt Cassel has improved almost every week. With the O-Line starting to play better just look at last weeks stats. You take the drops out and our QB completes 31 of 40 passes that is an A grade no matter how you spin it. I see alot of promise out of Cassel. Enough to stop bashing him and start supporting him atleast until we have other pieces in place enough to get a real evaluation on what his potential is. You take the 50+ drops this year out and his stats look ALOT better, maybe not elite but acceptible none the less.
So looking at the roster and everything that has went on roster wise through the coarse of the season and I see the light and its getting closer.
Roster Breakdown after the jump.
QB - Cassel improving and starting to show why Pioli brought him in.
HB - Charles The only RB we have and is ELITE just look at the stats.
FB - Cox still say average at best and could be upgraded not neccesarily a need but could be done.
WR - Bowe and Chambers I am comfortable with but see this as a must improve area I could see as many as three WR comming in during the off season. a #1-3 WR with ability to push Bowe and Chambers who I hope comes back next year and depth as Bradley, Long, Wade could all walk and not bother me one bit. Bradley is the only one of them I care at all about and he seems to be #5 WR quality at best.
TE - Cottam/Pope average and both seem to be getting better a position that could be upgraded but no longer a real must.
LT - Albert is really starting to improve and play up to his ability.
LG - Waters only ? is how long does he have left.
C - Niswanger would love an upgrade here but will see what the coaches think.
RG - ? many option already on the roster to fill this post but it is a ?
RT - O'Call has been better than average most days but could be upgraded. ? as to what we do.
DE - Dorsey - The Browns game showed us what he means to our D he is a good player. depth could be used. Again Browns game showed us that.
NT - Edwards not the option do we get one or two NT is the only ? here.
DE - Jackson then MaGee this post is filled although Magee needs to add strength.
OLB - Hali solid could use depth ?
ILB - Williams to me not the option DJ ? competition needed.
ILB - Mays same here not the man for the job. Belcher to many ? need to bring someone in.
OLB - Vrabel we have been ran over when Vrabel plays not fast enough great coach. Studebaker could be the option but still a ?. Definatly need depth at OLB and could use a starter with MAD pass rush skills across from Hali.
LCB - Flowers, He is tha man no ? here.
RCB - Carr showing why I think he is a good player.
Nickel - Daniels has been pretty slid since getting on the field still could be upgraded.
Dime - Richardson to early to judge here, but if we bring in Nickel back Daniels and Richardson fill the position with a solid player.
SS - Brown could start one more year but would love an upgrade.
FS- McGraw/Morgan/Page No question this is where we need a playmaker most as Page has NEVER been able to stay healthy and no one has claimed the spot.
KR/PR - We must get one or two players who are excellent in this area as it has hurt us this year.
K/P We have two of the best in the league with Colquit and Succop.
To me that leaves us getting a RB, 2 WR, 1 OL, a NT, 1 ILB, 1 OLB, and a Safety as neccesities. and could use another WR, OL, DE, NT, ILB, and Safety for comp and depth.
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It appears Cottam is on IR with a bad injury.
It should be noted that TE appears to be back on the neads list. That petty much sucks but hopefully Cottam can still play. He was really showing progress the last two weeks.
so you're saying...
upgrades are sorely needed at:
C, NT, ILB, OLB, FS, KR/PR
Yep, pretty much what I’m thinking too
I’d add SS… because Brown isn’t high on my list of favorite people
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I voted not sure
Cassel looked good against Cleveland and Buffalo, could have looked better, still made a few bad throws and some very bad decisions, and suffered through some drops, but again it was Cleveland and Buffalo.
We have Cincy and Denver coming up, don’t know if they’re going to rest their starters, doubt it, Cincy is going to be hoping S.D. stumbles and they’ll get the #2 playoff seed. Denver is going to be playing for a wild card.
We’re hopefully going to see their A-games, they’re going to be the litmus test for Cassel.
I hope Griffith is brought in at FB, Hampton, Wilfork, or Pickren at NT, Dansby at LB, Atogwe at S. That should give us some more breathing room come draft day.
would def like those pick ups but we will see what happens.
I don’t see St Louis letting Atogwe go. You just never know who is going to hit the market.
my question is ... if Cassel has another couple of brutal days vs Cin and Den, will you still be drinking the Casselberry Splash and saying how much better he is?
hide and watch … it’s gonna get ugly out there
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Easy bet Upamtn
side bet? to all the Cassel detractors.
Cassel throws more TD’s than pics. 2td’s for any pic thrown. Fair for a good qb. we throw out a hail mary at end of half or end of game, just prime time. what you think?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 22, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Not gonna take that bet
The Bungles and the Donkeys might be playing backups, Cassel has shown he could look good against backups the last two weeks.
by mcclanahanman on Dec 22, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Are the Bungles just playing for home field?
I think Denver’s scrappin’ for a Wild Card.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
They both have a lot to play for
Neither will be in a position to rest starters
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
when were the horrible games?
when he only had one of the dangerous combo of bowe/chambers?
by kcstevesportsfan on Dec 22, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Steve, you kidding? ifhe tosses 2 INTs he needs 4 TDs for you to break even ... or win?
either way, he is not gonna do that … then too, he doesn’t toss many INTs, instead he holds the ball too long … he is getting a LITTLE better, has been a LITTLE better last couple of weeks, but then too, look at the level of competition (Buffalo & Cleveland)
against better Ds with more pass rush, he takes more sacks and has more fumbles … from holding the ball longer than he should (he does it here, he did it in NE last year)
there IS more than just TD/INT ratio … care to include Sacks/Fumbles in this wager?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Cassel looks to me like he is playing angry and is starting to get into a zone.
Hopefully the sacks and fumbles are behind him. I am one of the people who has been hardest on Cassel but, for the last 2 weeks, he has played very well IMO. I understand the teams we played weren’t all that great but, Buffalo, has a top tier secondary and Cassel had no problems picking them apart. if the WRs made the plays they should, he would have won those games for us.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
not my wage...
my point was a few of his worse starts were when there was only either bowe or chambers in the game…
also … some of the pics were off the hands of ryan….
by kcstevesportsfan on Dec 23, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yup. And I remember saying how it would be interesting to see what happened
when Bowe was out and Chambers and Long (with admixture of Lawrence/Bradley/Wade) were in. I speculated that they’d have more team speed on the down the field, but they were facing better pass rush from the opponents and the “not-Bowe” receivers had as much or more problems snagging the ball as Bowe ever did.
I don’t think Cassel throws a particularly catchable ball, although his swing passes to the RB on the run are looking REALLY SHARP. Next year, 1/3 of those are going to be pump fakes that turn into wheel routes. Part of keeping those INTs down is only giving the one guy a chance at the ball, even if the chance is less-than-perfect, so long as the defender has NO shot at it. But I also think most of the better QBs in the league have their timing down with their receivers and throw with similar velocity.
On the OTHER other hand, I remember how Elway’s torn biceps took a little off HIS passes and all of a sudden Rod “Hands of Stone” Smith became Rod “Playmaker” Smith. One of the keys to Joe Montana’s success was throwing a VERY catchable ball, with enough, but not much more than enough, velocity to get it where it needed to be when it needed to be there.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
I still think that when it's all said and done
We’ll all be damn glad that Matt Cassel was a Chief.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
CASSEL GAINS IN AUTHORITY
This was the FIRST time I’ve seen him cuss somebody out like he did Bradley.
Bradley’s gone.
Cassel speaks. Men lose their heads. Coincidence?
Surprised this hasn’t been remarked-upon, as yet.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
by hmills110 on Dec 23, 2009 12:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Great point.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
I'm going to give Cassel the benefit right now.
I’ve been hard on him at times but, he is starting to play well. I love the fact that he was all in Bradley’s shit the other day. THAT is what we need here in KC. Cassel has started to play well and I won’t blame him for our offensive woes until he plays like he did against SD and Denver. If he continues to play the way he did against Cleveland, this offense will be un fucking stoppable next year.
If he starts to be consistent, it will be much easier to give him a pass when he has an occassional bad game. AS LONG AS IT"S NOT AGAINST DIVISION RIVALS!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 23, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
It certainly looks like Cassel
is exercising the power that Pioli has given him. I,m just wondering if his receiving core just doesn’t respect him and would like to see him go. It’s strange that we are leading the league in dropped passes. They might be resentful that he is a “sacred cow” who is responsible for most of the teams losses.
I think Haley’s staunch support of his “sacred cow” is causing a riff in the locker room. Haley has 0 tolerance for everyone else, but Cassel can be horrendous and Haley will say he’s improving
In essence, Haley, Pioli and Cassel appear ludicrous to the team with their double dealing, hypocritical standards. Now they are sending a message by cutting Bradley. That message is…. we will cut everyone on this team except Cassel, so get use to it.
First
I do not agree that this is happening and even if it this is how it is on EVERY other team in the nfl so these other players better get used to it and learn how to be professionals or guess what they will be looking for a new career
How can you even suggest that they're dropping passes on purpose? They would give up their paycheck and relevancy in the NFL just to spite Cassel?
"Speed...(long pause)....Kills." -- Lenny Dawson (on JC)
Not just drops...BIG PLAY DROPS!
Always TDs or 3rd down conversions. We couldn’t count on Bradley. Thats the bottom line.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 23, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yup.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Bradley deserves to be cut.
He has not played well all year. Constant drops are inexcusable. He’s shown we can’t count on him. THAT"S why he’s gone.
It has nothing to do with Haley, Cassel, or Pioli. It’s all about Bradley and he showed all season why he isn’t here anymore. He has had more than enough chances to prove hi value and he dropped the ball damn near everytime.
I can roll with that.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
What about
Bobby Wade and others. They all seem to be dropping passes. Let’s cut them. Bradley got into an argument with Cassel and now he’s gone. Just saying, maybe Cassel is the problem.
Cassel got in his grill cuz he dropped an easy 3rd down pass.
Cassel did it because he is tired of these guys making him look like a chump. Bradley got what he deserved and don’t be surprised if some of the other guys you mentioned aren’t gone as well. We need WRs who we can count on to make clutch plays when games and drives are on the line. Cassel is doing his job, so I hardly think that’s the problem at this point. I stress the at this point part!
Chiefsfan
He did it because he is tired of losing, and he knows like the rest of us that there is very little room for errors with this team! Bradley may not be the only one dropping passes, but hasn’t demonstrated anything that has shown that his errors were going away.
i agree
also i still contend that it was bradley vs chambers for the old WR position…
now that chambers beat bradley out of his job they cut him….
now we need some young WR to step up in last 2 games
by kcstevesportsfan on Dec 23, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Heh. I think it was Bradley -vs- himself.
They didn’t even want him to bag Chambers’ groceries.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Maybe.
Doesn’t matter to me as long as he is perfornming up to par. Right now, he is.
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