The Chiefs Need A True Defensive Playmaker
I'm not quite sure I understand this myself, so bear with me as I process this out loud.
Chris Thorman asks a great question about the Chiefs defense this year. It's a good and simple query: Is the defense worse than last year? The understanding that last year was historically bad. Historically. That's never a good adjective to attach to anything remotely negative because it's a polite way of saying "absolutely pathetic." We all know the record sack totals (or lack thereof) and the corresponding two win season.
So upon first glance, it does seem that we have some playmakers. It seems Glenn Dorsey is coming into his own. Tamba Hali is adjusting well and becoming a potential pass rushing force. Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr continue to catch some footballs thrown their way and create some turnovers. And the first-day draft picks of Alex Magee and Tyson Jackson hold out hope for the future. But I go back to Chris's question again and wonder if these stats are lying to us.
In other words, are these guys just putting up stats on a bad team? After all, even Kevan Barlow, Chris Brown and Tyrone Wheatley have run for 1,000 yard seasons in recent years. Yet that doesn't mean we look back on such players as all-world running backs. Sure we didn't have any sacks last year, but the schemes have changed. Could that be the reason for Tamba's newfound presence? Or is he really that talented and has been properly misused up until this point?
The reason I even wonder about such things is this: Typically a great player elevates the level of the players around him. And I see absolutely none of that on the Chiefs defense.
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How many Denver RBs crashed and burned after leaving the system and o-line? Alvin Harper leaves the Cowboys for free agent money in Tampa and becomes absolutely nothing away from Aikman, Emmitt and Irvin. It happens again and again. Some good stats are one level, but a true playmaker is another. You watch what Troy Polamalu does to the Pittsburgh defense and you realize that the rest of the players simply aren't as good as you thought they were. Same thing when Brian Urlacher goes down; when he's good, guys like Lance Briggs cash in and Hunter Hillenmeyer becomes a familiar name for NFL fans.But I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing promising players give up rushing records to the Browns. I'm seeing our talented secondary still get picked on with five 300+ yard passing games this season (a number that would be much higher if we didn't play losers like the Raiders QBs twice, Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell and the ghost of Jim Kelly in Buffalo). I just don't see a playmaker making decent guys look good and good guys look great - and that's after high round draft choices have been spent on our line and secondary.
It seems what's needed most is an absolute beast on defense. You know, the one we had and then traded away in Jared Allen? You know, the one we thought we were getting with our top-five draft picks the last two years? Of course, there's no formula for these things and I certainly think Dorsey and Jackson hold good-to-great promise. But the Chiefs need it sooner than later and of all teams, the Browns revealed the true state of our defense.
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The Chiefs Need A True Defensive Playmaker
Every team needs a true defensive playmaker/difference maker/game changer/sports cliche
Definitely no yo yos
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Hah. That's awesome.
Cause a Slinky’s movement is constant and fluid. Not up and down like a yo yo.
I like Slinkies.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I hate the Patriots analogies, but here's another one
Their defense in the early part of the decade never had any real star playmakers, but they won by playing smart & having a great gameplan. With Pioli taking T. Jackson & Alex Magee (and guys like Vrable & Zach Thomas), I think that’s what he’s trying to do here.
It won’t work with Clancy running the D.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Zach Thomas? please ... that's like Carl Peterson getting Ty Law and the rest of the Over The Hill Gang
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I wasn't implying that it was a great move
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
well, that Pioli saw him as a smart player, I guess!
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Len Dawson is ... was ... a smart player, too
maybe he’s our TRUE QBotF
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I don't disagree completely...
… but I do think that Brandon Flowers is a great player.
And possibly the best football player on the team.
My pop and I were discussing the roster after the Cleveland debacle and I made the statement to him that I’ll toss out here now:
Brandon Flowers is the only current player who is guaranteed a roster spot next year.
Anybody else- cut, tradebait, or otherwise tossed aside. I could see and argument for all other 52, but not Brandon.
He plays hard, he plays smart, he plays through injury, he’s a good tackler, he makes open field tackles.
He’s the most complete and in my opinion hardest working player out there.
And you never see him sulk/bitch/whine. He just plays.
We can find more of him and I’m sold- hardcore sold- no doubt.
TD
by Troydrake on Dec 22, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
EXCEPT i dont think that Flowers is the only current player who is guaranteed a roster spot next year.
Haley is high on Hali and Charles.
Pioli’s boys are Jackson and Cassel
Hali, Charles and Flowers have earned their roster spot. I’m iffy on Cassel..I think he’ll be okay with more help around him. And Jackson is definitely on the team next year..you dont draft a guy top 5 just to cut him later, especially playing a position that typically requires a couple of seasons before they really become a playmaker.
agree
i also think haley is pretty big on dorsey so i think he’s safe. we all know colquitt and Das Boot are as good at their positions as we can ask for and so are also sure bets for next year. If Chambers and Vrable come back next year i’m not sure why but i’m pretty sure they will be given spots as well. it just comes down to whether they want it or not. so by my guess i’d say that we can almost guarantee to see Cassel, Charles, Hali, Dorsey, Jackson, Colquitt, Das Boot, and Flowers next year. that’s only 8. after them there are a few strong possibilities but i won’t be surprised if they don’t make the team next year.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Yeah
I didnt think about Colquitt and Succop..they are DEFINITE locks.
I was going to put Dorsey in their also, but I dont know. You never know with Pioli. Honestly, I think he’ll be here..but there was too much trade talk for me to say hes a lock for next year, even though I’m almost sure that he’ll be here.
But yeah..that list is right. I’d put Albert on that list too even though hes had a bit of a sophomore slump. He might end up getting moved back to LG. You never know..especially not knowing whats up with Waters.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 22, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs can draft a potential defensive difference maker in the first round of the NFL draft this year.
Tim Freaking Tebow.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 22, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions
You're making Tebow out to be the next Chuck Norris
that’s blasphemy
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Tim Tebow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Norris
Chuck Norris wears Tim Tebow pajamas.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 22, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
made from tim tebow himself
chuck norris demands only the best of materials.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Great food for thought Matty...
I have always said that too. It’s crazy but true. Polamalu is glaring example like you said. But there are others. No one can deny that the Denver RB’s never were heard of again once they left Denver. Emmitt was getting old so I’m not sure about him. But your point stands.
We simply do not have a guy like that. Evidently Dorsey is more of an anchor than I realized after Sundays’ embarrassing meltdown. I feel that Jackson and Dorsey are showing promise but how much promise? I think jackson shows more than Dorsey but that is ONLY MY opinion and it’s only an opinion, it’s not based on facts.
I just always see Jackson on every replay whether he’s the focus of the replay or not. He never turns off the engine until the whistle blows ever. I think that’s one reason Pioli liked him and it shows.
But we have to and I mean HAVE to get a couple of big name stars if we are going to be good. Huge impact players..
Jackson over Dorsey?
You on crack Kray.
We saw Sunday what happens without Dorsey in the lineup. And I’d argue the defense is better off with Magee in instead of Jackson. TJ was effective in the Jacksonville game, the other 13 games, he’s been a ghost.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 22, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I know
even with very limited play I like what I’ve seen from Magee
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win championships
by DT58forever on Dec 22, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I can't argue with it...I am talking about promise...
not current…He’s a rookie on a horrible team with a horrrible defensive coach IMO. I think he shows he has the skills and the heart to BECOME that person eventually. Maybe anyway I hope so..I like his game
Craig: Even with Dorsey we give up incredible yardage to opposing RB's, but I see your point.
"Speed...(long pause)....Kills." -- Lenny Dawson (on JC)
Only the Chiefs could have a rusher hit 130 and a TD, a QB that throws 330 yards (with a great completion % if there weren't 8 dropped balls), 2 TDs, and no INT's and still lose the game. DEFENSE IS A PROBLEM.
Elite players make up elite teams
Aikman never won without both Irvin and Emmitt. Nor could Irvin and Aikman win the SB without Emmitt. It took 3 hall of famers to get it done. And Haley on defense…so there ya’ go.
I am in the camp that believes the right 53 has to include major talent. MAJOR talent.
by krayfish on Dec 22, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
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So right. A pass rusher deluxe and a shutdown corner may be all it takes.
Oh wait, forgot about stopping the run.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
i think we need a play making safety over a corner at this point.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Elite Players
You mean like a Derrick Thomas, Emmitt Thomas, or Bobby Bell right? Have you seen any evidence that KC has anyone close to that ability level on this current team?
No playmaker yet
I really like Flowers and Carr, and I think Dorsey and Jackson have great potential. I just find it hard to call shutdown corners playmakers and 5-techniques either. Don’t get me wrong—HUGE value for them to do their jobs extremely well. I realize that they’re valuable, but it’s just not the way I typically think of playmakers. I don’t know why.
In my opinion, there are two major spots for a playmaker. OLB and Safety. There are 3-4 OLBs who can get to the QB based on holes Jackson/Dorsey/future NT create, and there are those that are virtually unblockable. And then at Safety, he’s the guy who can think two steps ahead of the QB and break up plays and create turnovers.
Yes!
Thank you!
I am SO surprised at the lack of talk about Dansby. Him and Haley were buddies and he liked playing in Clancy’s system. He’s fed up with AZ which I’d like to mention why just real quick
How many top picks in the Draft did AZ have earlier this decade? ALL those picks are coming back to bite them in the ass with salary cap issues and I’m afraid thats going to happen to the Chiefs.
IF..and I stress IF..DBowe turns into a Pro Bowl receiver, Dorsey plays to his predraft hype, Jackson becomes the force he needs to be, Flowers becomes a pro bowler (if he doesnt drop all the picks hes dropped this year, he’d be a lock in the probowl IMO)..etc..I mean thats alot of contracts to fill..not counting this years top 5 pick later down the road.
Anyways, back to what I was saying. AZ is having trouble keeping all of their guys. Boldin wants out, Dansby has been franchised (twice now maybe?) and could be looking elsewhere. The connection between Dansby, Haley, Clancy are there..I’m shocked to see that no1 is talking about him.
Maybe its because nobody thinks Clancy will be with the Chiefs next year. I dont think he’ll be coordinator..but I think he’ll be on the team in some capacity.
Jon's on point there
OLB and Safety…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Well...
There is a true defensive playmaker available in this years draft and he could be available when the chiefs pick. ERIC BERRY will be a star in the league for years to come and after the last few weeks performance on defense the chiefs would be crazy to pass on a guy like him. He would solidify the defense and make flowers and carr and page bettter for sure and create more time for a pass rush. If we get another rush lb then we could have e good defense next year with a true leader in Eric Berry
agreed
Berry and Hughes/Miller/Norwood would add a TON of playmaking ability to this defense.
Get a NT in FA, and we’re in business
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
don't get me wrong i love me some berry
but remember last year when our pass rush was the worse and we were all screaming for curry so don’t be surprised when pioli picks something else
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
true...
But Curry wasnt projected as an OLB in a 3-4 and wouldnt have really helped the pass rush directly, i wasnt on the Curry bandwagon, i wanted Orakpo. He would have directly helped the pass rush for sure with 11 sacks this season as an OLB in a 4-3 so in a 3-4 he could have 15 possibly, anyhow on to this year. Should Berry come out they HAVE to pick him if they want to fix the defense first cause there is no other defender other than suh who will be gone and mccoy that is worthy of being picked that high and we dont need another d-lineman. NO O-LINE IN THE FIRST ROUND
Were also a real young team
We need more Vrabels/talented Vets to teach these young Chiefs how to win,
I mean think about it all this team has know for the last 3 years is losing. Even when players come from winning schools the NFL is a lot different, where everyone is good, and on any given sunday the worst team can win a game.
I think its a personnel issue on and off the field, which I think we fixed some of with the addition of Haley and Pioli.
This team has D playmakers and some that will come into there own (flowers,dorsey hali) but no one to lead them, someone with Fire to get them hyped, that leads by example to show this young talented team what it takes. Although I do believe Pioli tried to accomplish this with players like Brown and Vrabel, which we know one of those is working and the other well….kinda missed on.
Time, KC all in good time and experience for this team and we will see results, it sucks and I hate to say it but lets see what this team does in the offseason to get things turned around. Lets see what our front office does, who we bring in for talent on and off the field
Were a proud franchise and fanbase lets stay the path and give this new Regime a chance to get our beloved team turned around and back to greatness that we all once knew
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win championships
A standout ILB and S
would make a world of difference on this defense. We can’t stop the run up the middle, pass in the intermediate middle, or well-thrown deep ball in the middle. NT is a cornerstone in the 3-4, but all we really need there is a someone big and strong enough to command the double team every play.
But we need ILB/FS to be great in coverage and deadly tacklers against the run. We also need these guys to instill a tough mentality and fear in the oppenent. We don’t want people thinking they can just do whatever they want in the middle of the field, and that’s exactly what’s going on this year, and that’s exactly why we have been getting those record-breaking performances on us by no-name players. Guys are lining up against our defense and they are not scared.
Everybody in the NFL has talent to a certain extent or they wouldn’t have made it onto the field on Sundays. That means intangibles like mental toughness, awareness, and intimidation factor can be the difference between a close game and an embarassing day on the field.
I can appreciate the methodical approach to building that Pioli has, but I really hope we use that first pick on a LB or S that has shown these intangibles throughout their college career. We need somebody that can get out there next year and make an impact. We can build the trenches later in the draft.
Good points.
I’ve been saying that for the last few weeks…. we need to nail a first round stud on D. A play maker, not a space holder like Jackson… and Dorsey to an extent. We need a ball hawk. Someone that goes up and gets the ball or at the very least flies to where it is.
The Chiefs need to draft a guy with superb physical talent that was evident in his college career. AND they need to conduct an interview to determine if he will live up to that. Hopefully the Chiefs can draft a guy that WANTS to be on this team just for the challenge of making it better. A beast is what we need. A Ray Lewis. A Polamalu. Hall of Fame, difference making players in each position only come around once or twice a decade. Hopefully KC’s lucky pick is coming up.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Ability and attitude.
We don’t have a guy with both. You look at the defensive leaders of the top teams and you see that combination. The obvious position for that is your ILB/MLB. A Ray Lewis if you will. We don’t have the guy who plays like a wild man on every play and tries to intimidate the opposition. We have nice guys who try hard. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn’t exactly get the fires burning.
2 players...
same size and speed. Player A gets drafted by a winning organization, Player B gets drafted by a losing organization. Player A makes immediate impact….Player B takes longer to develope. So we need to start winning here in order to make our draft picks look more like studs and less like duds.
For the umpteenth time in the last couple of weeks:
Eric. Freaking. Berry. Period.
If he’s not there then draft an O lineman. But he will be there.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No.
We have too many needs. Trading up would not be wise. That would mean that we traded Gonzalez just to move up one or two spots in the first. The ATL 2nd round pick has to be a solid starter in order for that trade to look good.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Would it be worth it if Berry turns into a Pro Bowl player ?
I think its worth the risk it if Berry’s as good as Reed or Polamalu ! Seriously, Pittsburg is not the same team without Polamalu. A stud safety is this defense’s missing link !
You should be able to take a Pro Bowl player at #5
Especially with the Draft being as deep as it is this year.
No one will be trading up this year in the 1st round, unless they are in love with a QB.
agreed
trading up is a BAD idea, at least with the first pick
I wouldn’t be opposed to moving up and down with later picks, of course
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I'm not even against moving up if we were in the middle of the 1st.
It’s just that we’re looking at a 5th overall at teh highest. Moving up would be too costly both in terms of what we give up to get there and the salary that we’re going to pay the player that we draft.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
agreed...
I like that KC was aggressive in moving up to get Albert when they did.
I was really hoping for more moves last year… but I don’t think the players were there that Pioli would have that conviction about.
This year could be different, in a deep draft with Pioli’s guys in place, and some extra picks to work with…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Yep.
We’ll see what happens. Regardless Pioli has to be extremely aggressive this year to get the fanbase excited. I think last year we were excited just because of all the changes. The draft was rather “bleh”, and this year has shown that without more talent, the coaching and scheme changes were a moot point. Pioli has to make good choices and big moves to revive the fanbase.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I guess that's just my nature
I like Berry. I hope that he has a good combine and continues to look like a great prospect.
But…. you called it a risk and that’s exactly what it is. Berry might be the next Polamalu or Reed, but he might not. The Chiefs are hurting too much in too many areas to trade away a 2nd. Our OL needs a lot of help still. Those two 2nd round picks would go a LONG way towards gettting the line fixed.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
we wont need to
right now it looks like we are picking 4th with st. louis, tampa, and detroit picking before us. both tampa and st. louis need a qb. i’m sure one of them will take Suh while the other fills their qb need. detroit needs a OL to help stafford so it doesn’t look like we’ll have any opposition if we want to take berry.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
I hope so.
What will really suck is if by some freak occurance Bery and Okung are off the board. That would shitty.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
if berry goes mays is a good second choice
some boards have him being the better of the 2. i prefer berry myself but i’d be just as ecstatic if we took mays because berry was gone.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Mays hasn't done much this year
I’ve read that he misses tackles going for big hits, takes bad angles, and has a knack for not making interceptions. That sounds a little too familiar to me.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
that's why i'd take berry over him
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
right
I guess I just think that we shouldn’t take mays at all.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I agree.
If Berry isn’t there, take LT Okung.
If Okung isn’t there try to trade down.
If we can’t trade down…. then I don’t really care. Best player available I guess…. which is what they should be doing any way.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
Berry, IMO, is the better o the two. He reportedly has better instincts and is believed to be a consistently productive playmaker. Also has good tackling techniques. Solid tackler + ball hawk + good instincts = win.
Plus he has a 3.7 GPA and scored 970 on his SAT. Not a dumbass = good.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
tampa doesn't need a QB
they just drafted one in the 1st round last year
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
you know i forgot about freeman until after i posted that
good catch though. i think tampa will take suh so i think my simi mock draft remains unchanged.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Tampa will likely be picking after KC, if we don't win again
They will probably beat Atlanta at home in the last week of the season
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Tampa will likely take Suh with the #1 pick.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
tampa isn't going to be #1
st. louis is sitting at #1 right now and i seriously doubt that is going to change.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Perhaps if Matt Conner's Fantasy Football team had more playmakers
They wouldn’t have gotten owned by my team. Tough luck Matt. Thanks for coming out…appreciate your time. ;)
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 22, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions
In summary
Let me draw a historical parallel: we have the makings of the Dan Saleaumuas, Albert Lewises, and (young) Donnie Edwardses. Those are potentially Flowers, Carr, Jackson, Dorsey, Hali, etc.
What we are missing is a game changer, the next generation of Derrick Thomas. The playmaker doesn’t have to be a pass rusher… it could be a linebacker or safety (but please, please, please one that doesn’t get injured all the time).
Better yet, I’d like to see the next generation of the Derrick Thomas/Neil Smith combo.
We have no Saleaumua
There is not a single quality interior DL on the roster.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
A little too... literal
Saleaumua, Lewis, and Edwards were just representatives of better-than-average defenders who were not quite superstars (see SDChief’s comment below). They were the critical supporting cast in DT’s heyday.
Your comment is literally correct (there is no DS equivalent), but I was not making that assertion. Just saying our defense has players who might develop to better-than-average, but probably not to superstar level.
I’m glad our base defense only requires one true interior DL, although 3-4 NTs are hard to find.
by chiefstatnut on Dec 22, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Flowers is the guy
It’s tough for a CB to live up to your standard of elevating those around him. It’s the most isolated position on the D. I watch him very closely during home games. It’s tough to see what a CB is doing on TV. You only see them when they get thrown at. With Flowers, this isn’t often. When watching the games at Arrowhead, you see Flowers locking down his man. Make a mistake in his area and he’ll get his hands on it. If you do make a catch, he may just strip it for a fumble.
He needs to get better converting touches into interceptions, and turning interceptions into long returns. But he’s getting there. He’s a top 10 corner in this league right now and sky is the limit on his potential.
He’s a playmaker.
We need more like him.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 22, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions
That's what I've been saying.
Flowers is the best draft pick the Chiefs have invested in since Jared Allen. Thank God the draft he came out of was deep on corners… and that he ran a bad 40. He was originally one of the top 2 CB prospects but slipped a little due to his size and speed. His intelligence and recognition skills made up for it though. His hip movement and covering skills were still good.
Thankfully so many teams overlooked him because of his size. We really lucked out on Flowers.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
True.
Bottom line is that Peterson’s last draft was probably the best one of his career. Dorsey, Albert, Flowers, Charles, Carr…. All seemingly solid picks. We’ll see in a few years who the better player is.
As for the debate between Charles and Flowers: I’m not so sure. Don’t get me wrong, Charles is a beast. But when you watch the games you naturally get to see more of Charles than Flowers. Flowers is generally off screen on an island, so we don’t always see what he’s doing. Charles gets focused on about 20 times a game, and he has blockers helping him make plays. IMO, playing corner in the NFL is probably one of the hardest positions… right up there with MLB and QB. And from what we’ve seen from Flowers is that he’s progressing quickly and developing into one of the top 10 corners in the NFL.
Regardless… I think it’s a tie between Flowers and Charles. But that’s fine with me. The more playmakers the better.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Eric Berry will be the playmaker we need in this years draft !
Along with a stud noseguard in a later round.
I would love for us to get him.....
He is a baller for sure.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 22, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Flowers owns, but Tyson Jackson had the inconvenience of being drafted out of his slot. He’s in no way a playmaker, more so a position player for a non-skill position who will do what he’s supposed to do and nothing more. And the third pick overall absolutely too high for a player like that.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions
Yeah. It was high.
I’ll give Pioli a pass though because he got into KC so late that he had to use the scouting staff that was already in place.
He has to nail down a stud playmaker this year. If he reaches again then his days in KC could be short lived.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I don't hate the Jackson pick in retrospect, though
any other defender could have been considered a reach at that pick
And, like many have pointed out, putting the spoiler on the sportscar with no engine doesn’t make sense either
Pioli felt he HAD to build a foundation for the 3-4 defense, and Jackson was the best building block avaialable… don’t kid yourself, Jackson would have been off the board within a few picks after KC, either way.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I agree.
Curry would have been nice, but I get why Pioli went with TJax instead. Playing a 3-4 with undersized DL would have had Curry getting blown up by big ass veteran NFL linemen.
I like that Pioli seems to be a “foundation” guy. Build the lines first. Then add playmakers on the outside as you can get them.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
lots of foundation pieces there
just need some mortar to tie it together (coaching), and a big f$%in rock to hold down the middle (NT)
Flowers, Dorsey, Carr, Jackson, Magee, Hali, and
maybe… Page, DJ, Belcher/Mays/Williams/Studebaker…
those guys all look better IF the foundation is set, and your capstone is placed on top (Berry)
(i know, I’m reaching on the analogy)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I thought it was a good analogy.
NT at bottom…. S at top. Hahah.
All in all I like our odds of getting a lot accomplished this off season. Get a NT and a couple of LBs…. maybe a WR in the FA. Draft 2 OL, 1 S and a RB. Get this D fixed first and upgrade the O with some linemen and we will be a greatly improved team. And coaches. Get a better DC and bring in an OC. This team isn;t dead yet. We’ve got some blocks…. now we just need mortar.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 22, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
thanks
I do think it’s do-able…
as mills and I among others have been discussing, IF the Chiefs can get their:
- NT and S in place, the LB will look much better.
- Get a pass rushing OLB, and the DBs all look better
- Get a STUD Center, and the whole OL looks better instantly… which makes the QB, RB, and WR all look better
So, bottom line, you don’t HAVE to get EVERY piece in ONE offseason (though it’d be nice)
In the building process, sometimes you have to get the best you can at one level, then plug in pieces on the next level until you get the right one
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Agreed......
I’m really not in panic mode like some, even though I’ve seen some really bad things happening on gameday. I’m not sure how many bloggers have actually played football, but I know from experience that a few holes (especially where we have them) can make a football team look as bad as we have some days. Between our draft position this year and maybe a free agent or two I’m confident that we can get competitive next year.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 22, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
that's why they call it the ultimate team sport, right?
ONE guy doesn’t do his job, the whole team can fail
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Yep
And we are only as strong as our weakest links, so like you mentioned above, we should keep replacing a couple of links at a time……the end result will be sturdy for years to come.
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 22, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
We have a STUDebaker
under Vrabel’s tutelage right now.
"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."
I think your all right...It's hard to wrap your mind around sometimes but
we need every position. We still need a Lindell white here too. But you go with what’s most pressing I understand. But we need a lot. And I mean a lot of gaps filled. WE should have the best backups in the game next year.
Where's Joel when you need stats?
Where could a guy find a breakdown of the browns running(left/right/middle) game from sunday?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I rewatched the game as painful as it was.
And it sure seemed like they were running the ball right at Dorseys replacement all game long and add to that Joe Thomas is no slouch either.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
more players please
We should use top draft picks on def. Ex berry and cody and lb with first 3 picks. Use rounds 3-5 on o-line, wr/pr. Or grab 2 good free agents. I’m not interested in spending haynesworth money on a free agent but gotta spend some of that cash!
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
by Mr J on Dec 22, 2009 3:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Agreed 100% with your post
I selected NOT YET in your poll, much like many of the AP readers.
We need not a playmaker or a beast like Jared Allen. We need another DT58 type player. Someone I would consider a true GAMEHCHANGER. When DT was playing, all the opposing offense would do was scheme around DT, how to protect the QB from DT, who to assigned against DT. It’s all about 1 player. SD had a guys like that until he stopped using roids. Merriman is not the same after his injury.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Dec 22, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1 and rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 22, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
My take on it is like this, did you ever walk into a bar and its full of ugly to average women? and you find the one that is the best looking one, well she’s only standing out at all because she’s surrounded by terrible women. if you put her anywhere else you would’t notice her. That’s the “stars” of the chiefs D

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