The Facts of Life (Kansas City Chiefs-style)
by Matt Conner on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 AM CST
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PrintTootie once told me: "You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have the facts of life." And it's true, this season has some good (which the Kool-Aid passers around here often flaunt), a lot of the bad (which comes with a 3-win season) and we have to take them both. In the midst of high levels of emotion surrounding the recent embarrassment known as Sunday's effort, I thought I'd at least help us state a few Chiefs-centered Facts of Life to give some perspective. Some are good, some are bad... oh, you get the point.
1. For every Jimmy Johnson, you'll find three Romeo Crennels.
Some mighty impressive turnarounds can be found scattered throughout NFL history: the Colts moving from 3-13 (1998) to 13-3 (1999) was fantastic. So was the Dolphins recent 11-5 record last year after going 1-15 the previous year. The Pats moved from 5-11 in 2000 to 11-5 the following year and their first of three Super Bowls in the last decade. So, ladies and gentlemen, yes it can be done.
But the reality is that for every inspiring, Gatorade-drenching moment, there's a slew of teams standing alongside waiting for such a moment. The sheer probability of such a turnaround is miniscule and the facts show us that the most likely venture for Kansas City is that we will stay bad, or at the very least mediocre. Sure, it makes for a great story and something to aspire to, but actually believing we will be a playoff contender in just one year is to ignore the facts that current promising teams like the Cardinals and Bengals were laughingstocks for quite some time.
Even the dominant Chargers, let's not forget went eight straight seasons with eight wins or less before their breakout 2004 campaign and current run of dominance. An NFL ship is a large one and, usually, it takes quite a bit of time to work things out toward a successful end with so many factors of luck, coaching, schemes, talent base, opposition, schedule, injuries and salary cap.
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2. The best man for the job already sits at 1 Arrowhead Dr.
Even if a miraculous turnaround is quite unlikely, the good "fact," if you will, is simply this: there's no single person more qualified for this reconstruction than Scott Pioli. Really the only other person who would remotely make me excited enough to consider another option would be Indianapolis' Bill Polian, who's drafting ability year-in and year-out is quite frankly unbelievable. But in Scott Pioli, the Chiefs hold the trump card - one that still remains a better play than anything available on the table.
As for head or assistant coaches, that's another argument for another day. But the decision makers in place, including Clark Hunt, give the Chiefs a confidence and stability in the long-range plan that few other teams can appreciate, even if the situation seems dire for now. Will Pioli replicate or even come close to his New England success here in KC? Nobody can tell in the shifting climate of the NFL, but if the past is any indicator of the future, we're in good hands.
3. Sunday was a wake up call in a wake up call sort of season.
The ridiculous outing against the Browns only undermined what little hope was left. Let's be honest: every single building block or piece we felt excited about on the Chiefs has come up broken or misleading at some point this season. Last season's much heralded rookies have taken their knocks this year. High draft picks continue to confuse. Before the season, names like Dwayne Bowe and Brian Waters would be included in our sure things list, but this season's been marked by suspensions, benchings and luke-warm results.
Only Dustin Colquitt is the sure thing on this roster and while there are places that look promising, the best of us have to admit that even those flares of potential disappear in random games. It's maddening, but it shows that the overhaul is only beginning of this roster and that we shouldn't get too attached to many names in Chiefs jerseys. Sunday was the sort of game that makes absolutely everyone involved in the organization realize they have to go back to the drawing board and question the way they've done things this year. With the results we've received, that's a good thing. Perhaps moves like ditching the offensive coordinator right before the first game won't recur next season.
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Even the dominant Chargers, let’s not forget went eight straight seasons with eight wins or less before their breakout 2004 campaign and current run of dominance.
They’ve been “dominant” in the worst division in football. All they’ve done is win the division by default then lose in the playoffs.
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As For Pioli
Even if a miraculous turnaround is quite unlikely, the good “fact,” if you will, is simply this: there’s no single person more qualified for this reconstruction than Scott Pioli
After watching how he conducted his first offseason, his first draft and personnel decisions in-season, I no longer believe that. I don’t want him fired (yet), but I don’t think the guy’s done anything to show that he’s the best option. He takes up space. The best thing I can say about him is that he got better value when he drafted a kicker, but all that shows is that he’s not Al Davis.
Of course, Al Davis’ team will likely be finishing ahead of us this season, so…
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What
exactly would you have liked him to do with ONE offseason? There was on one in FA worth getting without WAY over paying and there was no one worth drafting. Name me 1 player FA or draft that has made an impact on their team this year.
by badassz1987 on Dec 21, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
GOOD POINT!
FA’s never have an impact on their new team…
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Dec 21, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Like that useless dude Priest Holmes. What a waste of a roster spot he turned out to be. And Rich Gannon for the Raiders…man did he take that team nowhere or what? :)
Same with Reggie White (Packers), Curtis Martin (Jets), James Farrior (Steelers), Jake Delhomme (Panthers), Plaxico Burress (Giants), and Drew Brees (Saints).
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can you name anyone of the big name FAs
that we wanted at the beginning of the year that has had such an impact to warrant paying them their salary. i’ve seen several people mention this over the year, but none of the pioli haters have given any names. if i am to be converted i need names.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
I Expected Him To Upgrade The Offensive Line And Defense
He didn’t. In fact he ignored the offensive line and made the defense worse with who he hired.
There was on one in FA worth getting without WAY over paying and there was no one worth drafting.
Yup…he had one guy who should have been his top priority and he made no apparent effort to get him. And now Jason Brown has helped Steven Jackson post his best season in three years while we’ve been watching Rudy Niswanger anchor an o-line that’s let Matt Cassel get pummeled.
Name me 1 player FA or draft that has made an impact on their team this year.
Done…now point out how Pioli has made this team better. And none of this “he brought in a winning attitude” intangibles bullshit because this team has won three games and their attitude sucks. Point out something real and tangible, besides drafting a kicker in the 7th round.
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He brought in O'Callaghan
We have one more win than last year, that’s an improvement, although I don’t see us winning any more games this year.
Pioli brought in Goff, not an improvement, but he did try to help the O-Line.
by mcclanahanman on Dec 21, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
I would take that UC
(being dominant in a bad division) I would even take being competitive right now. I just don’t want to suck.
Is it safe?
i guess you could say that's what we did in the 90s
because we as sure as hell didn’t win in the playoffs.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Rec'd great post.
I am 100% on board about Pioli. He was the single most sought after GM in the business. Which if you go by Deion Sanders definitio of a hall of famer, Pioli is a hall of fame GM in the making. Deion says that if you have “EVER” at any point in your career been considered the very best at your job, then you deserve the induction. Well Pioli was just that.
I also don’t know how any body ever could expect him to come to this joke a team and fix it in one season. The problem here goes much deeper than the team itself. There has been a problem in the philosiphy here in KC. We have tried to be the moral police of the NFL.
Now I don’t want to support a thug loser like Pacman Jones anymore than the Hunt family does. But you simply do NOT give away the best pass rusher in the NFL because he drank a little too much and used some bad judgement.
Pioli would never have done anything so stupid because of his ego. Pioli is solid and the best man for this job here. If anyone can fix this mess, he can. I agree all the way.
Matt Cassel played a very solid game for once and I was proud of him. He acted like a leader instead of a choir boy for once. He got mad, he got in peoples faces. He lead for once.
On the Chargers thing, you probably could have picked a better example lol. !!
Hi UC!
Nah
I’ve just been on the road for pretty much the last two months and the times I am home I’m busy getting stuff taken care of. Just not a lot of time to post. I still pop in though and read, even if I don’t post. :)
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Don't fool yourself
JA was not about the DUIs. It was about money. CP wanted to keep JA. He just wanted to use the DUIs as an excuse to lowball him. It backfired. Nothing to with being the morality police. Everything to do with a cheap GM who’s time had passed making a horrible decision.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
F*****g carl peterson was just too damn cheap to pay JA what he was worth
by badassz1987 on Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
There are a lot of reasons for optimisim for next season
1. The schedule will be easier. We will be playing the Rams, Seahawks, 49ers, Browns and Bills (though the AFC South is looking pretty daunting). Hopefully we won’t be opening and closing the season on the road, and hopefully we won’t be playing 3 strait games against teams coming off 10 days of rest. Nobody likes to say it, but it’s a fact that the schedule makes a huge difference for all but the most elite (and awful) teams in the NFL. Not just the teams you play, but the way the opponents fall on the schedule (Case in point, Denver). I think anyone would agree that other than the 8th week bye, KCs schedule was about as bad as it could get. There’s no guarantee that it’ll be better next season, but the odds are that it will.
2. The worst on the roster will be replaced with better players, and there will be more good players. Pioli won’t call it a rebuilding year, but it was an evaluation year…there is no doubt about it. There’s no question that Safety and MLB are the biggest needs of this D, and there’s no doubt there will be better players in those positions next year.
3. LT, RT LDE, RDE, LCB, RCB and RB are ALL 1st or 2nd year players. Our QB is a 2nd year starter in a new system with new receivers all around him. None of these guys has hit their prime yet…they should all be better next year. Not only will the players be better by experience, they will also be better by familiarity with the system and each other. Beyond that, the coaching should be better…coaches generally get better with time & experience, just like everyone else.
I really do believe that the years of getting less than seven or eight wins are behind the Chiefs. I really don’t know that it’ll be a great team in the foreseeable future, but it’s not going to be a bad team. Going from average to good to great is going to depend on some of these guys stepping up and becoming elite players.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree jmc...for one thing...familiarity is way under rated. Timing is key to a good passing game.
just ask peyton. That comes with time. And we all know what a good defensive coordinator can do from week one for a team. Same thing for a great OC. If haley had help it would really make a difference. I expect good things next year. Nothing too crazy just a much improved team.
I would agree it has been an evaluation year, and nothing more.
And that is fine. But know this, at the final second of the final game the clock starts ticking for Pioli et. al.
If we go back to the introductory press conference, there was a lot of talk on organizational culture, the “right 53”, always working to get better, etc. After this season it will be time to stop the talk and walk the walk.
Can Pioli do it? His track record says he should. I hope he can. I want to believe he has a solid plan. The big unknown is, can he be a realist about this? There are facts that must be dealt with. For instance, the NFL has so many teams today that the talent in the pool of players gets diluted quickly. It seems only a handful are able to pull together the lions share of talent. Pioli’s past suggests he should know how to do just that.
If there is one aspect of the approach that gives me pause, it is the idea that the organization has predetermined how to play the game and then go find 53 guys to fit the bill. The reason this casts a little shadow of doubt is this is like saying an NBA team will find success by emphasising 3 point shooting only to discover there are no 3 point shooters available. Will Pioli & Company be willing to adapt as situations dictate?
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 21, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
As always, I'll continue to be cautiously optimistic....
The sample size is just too small at this point. First time GM, rookie HC, fledgling 3-4 defense, and an air strike offense with a 2nd year RB that has TREMENDOUS upside.
Even with all that I’m extremely wary. The defense is one of the worst I’ve ever seen, and they’re falling apart rather than coming together at the end of this season. The WR drops are a huge concern. The OL looks better, but we still need at least 2 starters there in this off season. We’re hurting for a NT (IMO) and we could use a better safety and at least one LB.
All in all, I think that to get this team turned around the fastest, we need these positions taken care of (ranked in what I think needs addressed most):
1. OL: At least 2 starters have to come in this off season. IMO, a center and a guard should be the target. This is the #1 need on offense.
2. DL: Almost 800 rushing yards given up in the last 3 games. Wow. That’s bad. I think a NT will correct this, especially paired with a MLB or two.
3. DB: A safety is the biggest need in this area. Flowers is one of my favorite players, and I think he’ll continue to develop into a great CB. Carr is solid. I’m looking at Eric Berry and licking my lips. IMO, we need a stud playmaker in the first round of the draft. Berry fits the bill, and he should be available when we pick.
4. RB: Charles needs help. He should only be touching the ball about 15-20 times a game. We need a bruiser back to compliment him or we’re going to kill him.
I left Receivers off the list because the drops can be corrected. Chambers was the best waiver pick up of the decade. Cottam shows promise with his size and ability to get downfield. Bowe is…. Bowe. He gets hot and cold throughout a game. I wouldn’t be against trading him for the right price. Obviously a good free agent acquisition in this area would be welcome though. We can always get better.
Bottom line is that Pioli has a huge challenge ahead of him. He needs to get about 6 starters on this team to make any kind of drastic improvement. In order to do that he has to nail a few starters in the draft (S, OL, OL, maybe RB). Clark has to open the wallet if he wants to keep the fan base alive. We need big help brought in through the Free Agency (NT, LB, LB, maybe RB). It’s a pretty tall order to fill, but the Chiefs organization has to make some big moves soon or this team will be staring down the barrel of mediocrity for a long, long time.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 21, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
A DT will not correct our problems against the run
It helps. Edwards is below average at best. But do not underestimate how bad our ILB play has been. We need at least one upgrade at ILB and 2 would really be advisable.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying:
Get a beast NT and pair him up with an upgrade (or two) at ILB. Edwards just doesn’t have the size needed to play NT. He’s not demanding double teams on every down…. thus allowing extra blockers to harass the LBs.
I’d really love to see this freaking DL completed. It’s been the focus of the Chiefs for 8 years.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 21, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Coolio
You thought you were focussing a little too much on the NT problem. ILB is our weakest position imo.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with pretty much all of that
I think a good NT will do a lot for the run defense (but agree with KCSatchmo that ILB needs to be upgraded in tandem). Ron Edwards is a perfect veteran backup for the position, but it looks like the season has really worn him down. We need a solid NT to come in via free agency to start, or at a minimum to split time with Edwards. We need an above average ILB via free agency for the same reason.
Even though the OL has been playing better lately, I still see it as the biggest need on offense. I was in favor of Berry before, but I’m now leaning toward taking Okung (if he grades out to be a top-level NFL LT) and moving Albert to guard. Move Waters to starting Center (he should be significanlty better than Niswanger) and find a solid guard in free agency (or vice versa). I think Albert can be an average-to-solid LT, but the team would be better served to have a dominant LT and Albert as a dominant G. This would have a greater impact than having a great safety like Berry, IMO, as it would make Charles and Cassel even better.
The draft is supposedly deep at Safety this year, which is good for us. I think we can find a very good option at the top of the 2nd round, and then get a good ILB with the Atlanta pick. I’d then go with the best WR or OG/C that’s available in the 3rd round & 4th rounds. You then have to hope that the first three picks can come in and be good players immediately. It’s not a great position to be in, but that’s the reality for bad teams.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Agreed.
I think I pointed out in the original reply that NT and ILB (I said MLB) should be upgraded together. My reply to Satch explains my strong opinion for NT.
Good thoughts on the OL, and I agree… to an extent. I still think Berry is the best option though. A bad ass safety can solidify a defense (ala Ed Reed, Steve Atwater, Troy Polamalu). Plus, IMO, defense should come before offense. The inside of the OL can be addressed in rounds 2, 3, and 4 where historically some of the greatest interior linemen have been drafted. However…. if Berry (or another defensive stud) isn’t there, then I’d say go for the best O lineman available.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 21, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Um...arent we playing the NFC North next year?
We havent played them for 3 years and next year would be 4. We played the East this year and the South last year.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
RIP Chris Henry #15 (Bengals)
RIP Derrick Thomas #58 (Chiefs)
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 21, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure it's the west
I remember Favre beating KC @Arrowhead a couple years ago
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Dec 21, 2009 4:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
im just kinda thinkin out load but i remember saying this last year
Players make coaches look good look at childress in minn the viking where chasing tat guy out of town last season the pitch forks were out they were even out when the guy was hounding brett favre. Now they have one of the best records in football and all of a sudden the guys getting extended contracts people r asking him to kiss babys its crazy. How he can go from the hot seat to the throne. In my opinion pioli selected some good players that played to their potential most the players he picked panned out bottom line is they were good players. Good players make good coaches and vise versa in some cases. Chiefs just need to perform at the end ofthe day but we really just need more talent on the field. This last draft we found our kicker and jackson is ok he might be better next year. I still think a dominant nose will help both of them as well as our entire defense.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Lets be honest
This man should never be allowed near a baby. Let alone kissing them.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
and sorry what i mean by both
Is jackson and dorsey would benefit with a dominant player inside. As well as our entire defense.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Dec 21, 2009 10:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Though it's going to struggle, I believe that the offense has shown promise and has picked up
some people that have filled holes but the biggest disappointment is the D. I can’t second guess guys that have made it to this level with any experience but with all of the high drafts I just can not understand how they can fall apart against a team like the Browns. I want to believe that getting rid of Tank, Pollard and some of the others was the right thing to do but I also wonder and I definately have serious questions about the defensive coaching. I don’t think the Chief’s had many choices but they do now and I sure hope we see the correct changes. In retrospect, Denver’s early success I believe was due to Nolan’s coaching and all of the FA’s they grabbed early, we’ll see there too.
The only offensive promise is Charles
And sometimes Cassel and Bowe. Sorry I just disagree. Just because they had a big day of offensive production against the Cleveland Steamers Browns doesn’t mean there was offensive improvement. Two stinking teams duking it out offensively doesn’t mean that the offense of either team has gotten better. The winner of the special olympics is still handicapped.
You’re right about the D though. The way they’ve performed over the last few weeks in unacceptable. I’d have to agree that coaching is a big part of it. There are an awful lot of high draft picks and solid veterans on the D for it to be that bad.
Crenell in 2010.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Correction: I meant to say Cassel and Chambers.
Bowe is pissing me off.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
R.I.P. C.H., #15
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Another thought . . .
The “D” line was just blown up against the Browns. Was Dorsey the key difference? If we had held the Browns to under 200 yards rushing, we would have won the game (and yes, I just threw up a little in my mouth saying that). The point I’m making is the young players are getting better. The waiver wire pickups are just that and need to be replaced (most of our linebacking core). Just give it a little time . . . Next year will be better! It takes time to replace the incredible amount of poor talent on this roster. And no, I’m not sure if Haley is the right coach, but I do believe that at this point it doesn’t make much of a difference. Once we are above .500 and can’t get into the playoofs, then I blame the head coach!
Mising Dorsery hurt
Willams and Mays missing tackles hurt worse.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
+1
they were badly out of position all game long. You could see all 8 or 9 gus in the box going all one direction to where they though tthe ball was going…..then, oops! Nobody’s on the backside cutback! Too late now……10 ypc. The inside LBs are terrible anyway you slice it. Mays & Williams are special teams players posing as starting LBs. They have got to go & Pioli better pony up some cash & get some real ILBs in there this offseason, or the exact same thing will happen next season & for years to come after that. That kind of gap discipline(or complete lack thereof) is absolutely unacceptable on an NFL team.
In all fairness
The ILB plan was to stopgap with Thomas and DJ for a year then re-evaluate. Thomas retires and DJ never adjusts to the new scheme and we wind up with tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
the gap got wider
and the situation got more desperate. These ILBs stink to high heavens, and sure, a stout NT & good safety help would make it better, but Pioli has an enormous task ahead of him this off-season & it could make or break him. THis team needs a serious infusion of talent, mainly on the defensive side of the football.
Just to interject, I would call Succop a lock for next year also
2 down, 50 to go
10/19/09: The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
10/26/09: Okay, so it'll be 10-6, I can live with that...
11/9/09: So KC spots the league 7 games. 9-7 is respectable.
11/30/09: I'll consider 8-8 a success and move on
Rec +
Props to MC for a good ‘take a breath’ post. Yes, the defense has been majorly exposed in the past month, and yesterday was historically awful. Fortunately the upcoming draft looks deep in areas of need. I’ll leave it to the Berry-ites and Okung-ers to fight it out re who they prefer, although I expect either would help immensely. My only caveat is that KC needs SO MUCH new talent, if someone comes to them with a good trade-down deal, then it will be tempting to try to pick up more players in rounds 2 and 3 and forgo the two above studs.
Seriously
Matt Freaking Conner is the unsung hero of this site. Agree with him or not, the guy puts out one well written, thoughtful article after another.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
mom?
KCSatchmo… are you really a family member of mine? :) This site is full of great writers, the great Thormans leading the whole thing and a very intelligent, mindful community of sports fans. Quite nice to be here.
If I'm you're mom
you must be one ugly SOB. The Thormans get tons of credit around here and it’s richly deserved. I just like to point out from time to time that your stuff cintributes a hell of a lot to making this place great.
Don’t get a big head about it. Start writing fluff and I’ll harpoon ya.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 21, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
wth is cintributes?
contributes*
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