Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with...

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

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Craptastic WIN...

I know it seems like Whitlock gets plugged here every week…but that is a pretty accurate quote.

Not saying Pioli is at blame fully…since…

playing musical waiver wire at receiver

…means trying to get better all season…but still

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by woodman212 on Dec 21, 2009 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

The Musical Chairs Game At WR All Year

Has been one of their biggest errors this year. No matter what Haley says, his games with Bowe and then the offense during training camp put Cassel in a hole he’s struggled to climb out of all year.

Of course it still pales in comparison to the stupidity of getting rid of Bernard Pollard just because Clancy couldn’t get along with him. Dumping a young safety who’s been your best defensive player for a DC who was a failure the previous four years and is likely getting fired this offseason is about as stupid as you get personnel-wise.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yea...I understand being against the musical chairs at the depth chart...

But as far as bringing additional guys in on the waiver wire like Chambers, I am fully supportive…if it is an upgrade.

I just really want this guy to work out…also…

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by woodman212 on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

UC

Did you not see the article about how Bernard Pollard gets burnt more than any other safety in the NFL?

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/12/8/1191495/worst-burned-rate-out-of-the

by Nick Britt on Dec 21, 2009 2:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nick

Did you miss the part where Pollard is still better, statistcally, than Mike Brown?

Pollard has more Passes Defensed (5 vs. 3), as many INTs (3 each), more Tackles (79 solo, 18 assists vs. 67 solo, 16 assists), and more Forced Fumbles (1 vs. 0).

by JacinB on Dec 21, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty Much

I won’t argue that Pollard is an All-Pro safety. But he was a hell of a lot better than what we had here once the Chiefs cut him. They basically dumped Pollard for an older, slower, less good version of Pollard.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i would probably agree that pollard is a better player then brown

but i don’t think that we would be any better off now if we had him. he’s not a real impact player, just an average one that lets the big play happen, and if i recall, the big plays have been one of the main things hurting us this year.

as for the WR musical chair bit; i think you put too much of the front office and HC and not enough on the players. we haven’t had a WR worthy of the starting job all year until we got chambers. why shouldn’t we have been playing musical chairs with the WR. none of our receivers deserve the job, including bowe. and i don’t see how this is putting cassel into a hole he’s struggling to get out of. and don’t give me the qb/wr chemistry crap because obviously cassel isn’t having a hard time hitting his receivers, his receivers just can’t catch and that is their problem not cassels.

UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pollard

he’s not a real impact player, just an average one that lets the big play happen

Which is better than we’ve got now. Pioli and Haley took a position that was a neutral, possibly a slight plus, and turned it into a minus. So now we’ve got to go and find a strong safety who is at least a neutral just to make up for that, in addition to filling out all the other talent holes on this team. And we’ll probably end up having to pay more for that neutral SS than Pollard was making unless they can find one as good in the 2nd round or lower (which doesn’t look promising considering how they whiffed on Washington).

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we were never going to be competitive this year

if you thought so then you are lying to yourself. because we had really no chance of being competitive this year, you get rid of the players you know that aren’t going to fit into your team first and hope you someone else can fill the spot. sure it’s a gamble but what did we have to lose. we already sucked.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whitlock Nailed It

Honestly, why would any top assistant coach want to come here when Haley’s likely entering 2010 on the hot seat? Unless they’re certain they’ll get the HC gig once Haley gets canned, why not go somewhere stable with more talent so you can showcase your abilities?

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 12:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Oh, And The Most Embarassing Thing Whitlock Points Out

66 yards. That’s all Brady Quinn threw for. He’s such a pathetic downfield passer that he could only squeeze out 66 yards. That would be Jamarcus-esque if he didn’t do it on 10 of 17 passing. Not that they really needed him to pass considering our Swiss cheese run defense, but Brady Quinn is a terrible, terrible QB on a terrible, terrible football team and they still posted 41 points on the Chiefs.

I’m going to bed now in the hopes tomorrow will be a brighter day.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Weis and Crennel would both gladly come to KC

I hope…

by Nick Britt on Dec 21, 2009 2:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Don't Want Either Of Them

Honestly, I don’t think they were that good. Weis’ offenses in New England were not dominant and the struggles of New England DCs (Crennel, Mangini) once they leave Belichick makes me think that neither of them can be trusted when they’re not working for Belichick.

Frankly, I’m about sick of New England and Arizona retreads here. Players and coaches. Very few of them have worked out and it’s about damned time this offseason that Pioli showed us he’s doing more than living off his rep with the Patriots.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh so you think that belichick runs the offense and the defense

belichick is a great HC, but he isn’t a one man show in NE. everyone is all ways complaing that haley has got too much on his plate with QB coach, OC, and HC duties; but these same people turn right around and claim that belichick did all the personel jobs as well as all the team coaching positions. please no man is that good. now i’m not saying haley is another belichick, and i know belichick has experience where haley has none, but there is no way belichick does EVERYTHING in NE for the same reason everyone screams that haley shouldn’t be doing the 3 THINGS he’s doing.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

I think Belichick runs the defense. I think that he delegates the offense. I just think that Charlie Weis wasn’t anything special as an offensive coordinator. DJ posted the rankings of his offenses awhile ago and pointed out that the dude was middle of the pack…and that was with Tom Brady under center.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As For Belichick Vs. Haley

but these same people turn right around and claim that belichick did all the personel jobs as well as all the team coaching positions. please no man is that good

Jimmy Johnson was that good (although he delegated to his assistants). Vince Lombardi was even better (he didn’t). And yes…I think Bill Belichick is as excellent a football mind as Vince Lombardi and is fully capable of running the HC position, the defense and being the de facto GM pretty much himself.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haley, On The Other Hand

Is just a bad head coach.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i guess you never saw hoody in Cleveland.

while you are entitled to your opinion there’s no way you can know that. if haley doesn’t show any improvement next year, i’ll be first in line with my pitch fork, but all thinks considering, hoody or lombardi couldn’t have fixed this team this year.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

brady quinn sucks big time

I remember 2 seasons ago most of guys here wish we get him as chief. What a disaster that could be…

by 72chiefs on Dec 21, 2009 7:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

No Kidding

I thought the guy would be okay, but the Quinn fanatics were completely nuts. Apparently they thought he was the second coming of Elway, Montana and Marino all rolled into one…which is pretty funny when you’re talking about a QB who didn’t even win a bowl game.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well marino had problems winning a bowl game

the SUPER BOWL :p

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But He Did Get To One

And he kept a team with one of the worst defenses and worst running games at .500 or better for most of his career.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

bad humor elude you much :p

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've been so supportive of Haley and Pioli this season

But now I’m finally getting ready to give up on them both. We aren’t seeing any improvement. We’ve won one game more than we did last season. We didn’t make a play for any big name FAs, we took Tyson Jackson with our third overall pick who hasn’t done a single thing, we’re trying to build this team around a quarterback but we’re obviously not having any success. Charles should have been our starting runningback from the beginning of the season. LJ should have been out. Most of us wanted LJ to start over with this regime, and we got our wish, but good God were we wrong. Pioli and Haley had better pull it together soon.

by SoCalChief17 on Dec 21, 2009 1:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Whoa whoa whoa...

He has had 20 tkls

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by woodman212 on Dec 21, 2009 1:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They were never going to show much improvement this season

we were that bad that it just wasn’t going to happen. it amazes me that people forget that. before training camp started everyone talking about how long this year was going to be since we were basically starting the rebuild all over. yet here we are, EXACTLY were we said we would be, and now everyone is throwing fits and complaining.

as for the FA, how do you know we didn’t make a play for a big FA? because they didn’t advertise it? if i remember correctly information didn’t get out of one arrowhead drive very often. and answer me this, what big name FA would want to go to a 6-26 over the last two seasons team. a lot of big names want to be competitive along with getting payed well, so you can see that KC probably won’t be at the top of their lists. so i ask again, how do you know we didn’t make a play for a big FA, because logically it seams to me that if we did make a play for a big FA they probably wouldn’t pick us and we weren’t ever going to hear of it.

As for jackson, jackson has been solid. not great, but then again most top d line men take 2-3 years to develop so we can’t know if TJ was a bad choice for another 2 years at best.

now for LJ and charles. as you said we all wanted LJ to work so why should the big dogs be any different. LJ gave every indication that he was a changed man. they gave him a chance and he botched it. and do you not remember charles’ problem with fumbling the ball. he did it a couple of times at the beginning of the season so it’s no surprised it took so long before he became the starter.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Information has gotten out on just about every other subject

And I’m pretty sure one of the FAs wouldve said if they were considering KC. And if they didn’t want to come to us last offseason when we were making all of these changes, why are they going to come to us now? We look worse than last year. And Haley never gave Charles an opportunity, sometimes you have to stick them in the game and actually see what they can do. Notice all of our FA signings were washed up players that probably couldn’t play anywhere else. Engram, toomer, Thomas, goff, etc. What’s that saying? We don’t want to be the place where players come to end their careers. That’s Oakland!

by SoCalChief17 on Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

What did people really expect Pioli to do this last offseason in regards to FA pickups

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster

he can’t exactly waltz up to people’s homes with a contract and say “Congrats, you are now a Chief!!!” It takes a mutual agreement, and I’m pretty sure not many of the decent FA were really enthralled by the possibility of joining this team.

Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?

by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Dec 21, 2009 1:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

To be fair though, who did he even get into the building?

We had plenty of money to offer, but none of the big FAs even looked our way.

by SoCalChief17 on Dec 21, 2009 3:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Of the top of my head on a couple popular names.

Bart Scott: Rex Ryan, his DC in Baltimore, showed up at his house the night free agency started. No chance there.

Jason Brown: First stop (I think) was St. Louis. Signed by St. Louis to a deal that made him the highest paid C in the league (I think). No chance there.

by bh13 on Dec 21, 2009 4:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

Signed by St. Louis to a deal that made him the highest paid C in the league (I think). No chance there.

What do you mean “no chance there”? St. Louis is in the same frigging state and we had plenty of cap room to sign the guy.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

because he signed with St. louis before we could even talk with the guy

seems like we had little to no chance to me

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If St. Louis Was Able To Sign Him

Then we should have been able to sign him. That’s Pioli’s job…to sign players. If “Mr. New England Dynasty” can’t do that better than other GMs, then he can go back to New England and fetch coffee for Belichick for another decade and Hunt can go find a real GM who can do more than nose through New England’s scrap heap.

I’m done accepting this “we had no chance to sign him” b.s.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you can't win them all

no matter how good you are.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Like Leaf said

It seems St. Louis decided they weren’t going to let him get away, so no one else really had a shot at him.

I won’t argue they didn’t do much this year. It’s been a long season and it’s pretty obvious we’ve got several holes to fill.

Brown was probably the free agent I wanted most this offseason, but it’s hard to make a play for a guy that doesn’t go anywhere past his first visit.

by bh13 on Dec 21, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Brown was probably the free agent I wanted most this offseason, but it’s hard to make a play for a guy that doesn’t go anywhere past his first visit.

That’s why Pioli should have pulled out the stops to insure that his first visit was here. If he’s losing out to the GM of the Rams for players, then maybe the Chiefs should hire the GM of the Rams to run their team instead of Pioli.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough

I’ll admit I’m not completely behind how they did things this year and I do have some concerns, I’m just not to the point where I’m ready to give up on them yet.

Hopefully this offseason will be much better. If not, I’ll likely be joining you and the others that are ready for a change.

by bh13 on Dec 21, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Haven't Given Up On Pioli Yet

But if this offseason looks pretty much like last offseason, that won’t be too far off. I figure that after the year the Chiefs have had, the honeymoon’s over.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think that it will

i’m pretty sure they came in and sat down and said “the old guys f’ed up. but did they f up because there’s no talent, or did they f up because they can’t coach. we just replaced the coach, so lets see what kind of talent we’ve got.” and they made this year into a giant pre-season. i know that doesn’t sit well with some, but i don’t think that it’s such a bad thing. you are building for the long haul so in the scheme of things one year means nothing.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And Your Position Is Fair Enough As Well

I can certainly understand if other peoples’ triggers aren’t as quick as my own. :)

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

What did people expect him to be able to do with ONE offseason. And look at the big name FA that were available every one of them got way overpaid and what great things are they doing for their teams, nothing. Washington way overpaid for Haynesworth and they still suck just as bad as we do.

by badassz1987 on Dec 21, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Expected Him To Do A Much Better Job Than Herm And Carl

And he didn’t. They’re just as bad as they were last year.

So right now, if they don’t pick up wins in the last couple weeks of the season, I officially give Haley and Pioli an “F”. All they really did was take up space.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

rome wasn't built in a day so stop expect a miracle over night

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Don't Expect Miracles

I expect improvement. They made none.

I just expect people to do the job they were hired to do and were supposed to be able to do and I don’t make excuses for them when they fail.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't make excuses

but i do give people a chance. if i give one of my pions at work a timeline on a task, i at least give them time to see if they can accomplish the task before i pull the rug out from under them. in my mind i gave every one at one arrowhead a year. that gives haley a year to implement his ideals and pioli 2 drafts and one good long offseason to get some personnel i here. if there is no improvement at the beginning of next season, i’ll be calling for heads as much as you are. thou i do wonder what that would be like as it’s just not as fun unless you have a passionate opponent.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If He Can't Convince Players To Come Here

He’s not a good GM. Sorry, but I think the “players have to want to come here” line is crap…it’s the GM’s job to convince them that this is a place to come to. And the FA he should have been after hot and heavy (Jason Brown) went to St. Louis, just down the highway from KC. It’s not as if we lost the guy to Dallas or New York. We lost him to frigging St. Louis. Which tells me that a) Brown was at least open to coming to this area, and b) Pioli didn’t put out much of an effort for the guy at all.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

because St Louis is SO much better this year than they were last year now that they have him

by badassz1987 on Dec 21, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

jason whitlock ignores a lot of factors

Most of which have been mentioned in this thread, like the difficulty of even getting guys in the door. But he also seems to ignore the fact that Peterson, not Pioli, is mostly responsible for the crappy roster going into this season. There’s only so much turnover a new GM can initiate in one off-season.

I was not optimistic about wins/losses coming into this season, but I think things look good for 2010. I expect this team to compete for a weak division title.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2009 7:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

A weak division where ...

One of the teams is playing for a first round bye in the playoffs and another is currently atop the Wildcard chase? That weak division?

by JacinB on Dec 21, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right but

The Chargers and Broncos both get the opportunity to play the Raiders and Chiefs twice.

by Chief-Eli on Dec 21, 2009 9:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

It's A Weak Conference This Year

And that’s the only reason the Chargers are playing for a bye. With Pittsburgh falling to pieces this year, you’ve basically got the Colts, a bunch of mediocrities and a lot of dregs.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

too but we weren't competitive this year

and i don’t think that pioli or haley could have made us competitive so soon. not with the shit hand they were dealt

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Path To Competitiveness

Starts with not cutting your better players just because they won’t kiss your ass.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i disagree

there are many paths to enlightenment, one only has to look.

by Leaf on Dec 21, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Clearly, the Chiefs need to emulate the Oakland Raiders winning formula...

and continue to fire their Head Coach every year until they find one who can win.

My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:

1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.

by jbj8609 on Dec 21, 2009 8:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

It's Not The Firing The Head Coach Every Year That Kills Them

It’s the fact that they generally hire really terrible head coaches and that they’ve got a senile old man conducting their drafts.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You keep misspelling that word UC throughout this thread...you know the one that Charles Barkley uses

….and it keeps ringing in my head: TERROR-BL. (Or TRBL like they did on the Fox pre-game show).

Up until this week I kept giving Haley the benefit of the doubt. I kept thinking there was a slight chance of getting 6 wins so I could at least justify to myself that the team had improved. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and I have to stick with my pre-season take that without 6 wins this was a wasted season.

The issue I have with Haley (and any coach for that matter) is whether they have improved looking at the course of a season. If we’re going to evaluate players individually on play and even more so whether they are repeating the same mistakes, then the coach should be held under the same scrutiny.

Look, using excuses like “he’s a rookie HC”, made by some doesn’t hold water.

The difference is:
1) Whether the coach “repeats” the same mistakes. (loss of composure on the sidelines, 4th down attempts instead of punting or putting points on the board).

2) Weekly preparation- The fact is that the coach is the CEO of approving game plans and choosing players on the weekly 53 man roster. Every game this year has been poorly prepared (even the wins were poor, except the other team prepared more TRBL).

3) Coachingplayers to address mistakes – baby steps at least. One example,the dropsies are as bad as last years ‘Nuf said. He’s the wide receivers coach…no one else to blame, not even Herm.

The PROBLEM with Haley is that in essence he’s been the same coach making the same mistakes from the first day as a HC. There are great HC’s that have learned as assistants on HOW to address the above problems and improve. I don’t see an upward trend in regards to Haley’s caoching
The best example of coaches learning from their predecessor is in the following graph. It just goes to show that it’s possible and that we shouldn’t use “rookie HC” as an excuse. In my mind, I don’t see him changing his coaching style and would rather cut ties now, then deal with another season(s) until we all are convinced he’s not HC material.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 21, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You just convinced me that Bill Walsh is the Godfather

wow…that is unbelievable.

If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.

-Steve Nash

by Red Shadow on Dec 21, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Walsh is the Alpha and Omega of NFL coaching, no doubt.

The big difference is that most of these guys “learned” how to coach and progressively became better (not all, but most).

Some were destined to become great HC’s, while others weren’t and their strong suits were being assistants/coordinators.

The point is Walsh didn’t merely look at his assistants past records. He evaluated whether they could progress. These “horses” were able to be taken to water and they could be made to drink it. I don’t see Haley’s coaching style in ANY of those listed above.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 21, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty Much

I thought maybe he had figured it out with the Pittsburgh game but it was just a dead cat bounce because we didn’t realize how bad Pittsburgh was this year (especially without Polamalu). The Chiefs are no better at the end of the season than they were at the beginning. And frankly it looks like their defense decided to check out for the season after playing the Steelers.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A couple points

1) Whether the coach "repeats" the same mistakes. (loss of composure on the sidelines, 4th down attempts instead of punting or putting points on the board).

While I certainly can’t argue he’s made some questionable calls, I don’t think he went for it on 4th down at all yesterday, except at the very end of the game. Maybe he’s finally getting it, maybe not.

3) Coachingplayers to address mistakes – baby steps at least. One example,the dropsies are as bad as last years ‘Nuf said. He’s the wide receivers coach…no one else to blame, not even Herm.

He was a WR coach, he isn’t here. I wouldn’t be surprised if he steps in from time to time but as pointed out on here more than a few times, he’s already got too much on his plate to begin with.

I won’t deny I like Haley and would like to see him get another year, but I also won’t deny he’s made his fair share of mistakes this year too. If he doesn’t show some sign of getting it in the offseason by hiring an OC and QB coach at the very least, I’ll join the fire Haley group. For now though, I’m still willing to give him some more time.

by bh13 on Dec 21, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my concern about haley is

his decision making. This has been a season of strange, strange decisions on his part. He fires the best coach on the team, who, a lot of people would have rather seen be Haley’s boss. He then goes on to call the most bizzare series of plays i’ve ever seen. I initially liked the idea of haley calling plays because of his OC work in AZ, but he ended up calling a stinker every week. Who calls a draw play to LJ on 3rd and15+ multiple times?

by SillyHatDay on Dec 21, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Getting assistants shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to increase your worth, you don’t take over a top performing unit that has a distinct possibility of going backwards. You take a piece of crap unit and turn it into a diamond. That is how coordinators become “geniuses”. Look at the Giants defensive coordinator. You think his name is on a short list anywhere? He took over a great unit and now they are mediocre. Probably not his fault, but it is his record. There will be a big turnover of assistants. He didn’t have much to choose from when he got the job, just the leftovers.

As far as Haley goes. I think he is getting better. I felt yesterday was his best coached game. There wasn’t hardly a time that I wondered what the hell he was doing. He managed well. It would help if he could tackle.

by BinSC on Dec 21, 2009 11:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

The problem with assistants

as Whitlock pointed out, is that it might be hard to convince someone to come here if they feel Haley might only be here another year, unless they think they might get a shot at the HC gig themselves.

If they have a choice between a team where they could spend multiple years or a team where they could be fired after one season when the head coach is fired, why would they pick the latter?

by bh13 on Dec 21, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Then Pioli Had Better Convince Them To Come Here And Work For Haley

And if he can’t, then he’d better figure that out pretty quickly after the season wraps up and get himself a new head coach who good assistants will want to come work for.

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by UCrawford on Dec 21, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs