Chiefs Players Search for Answers After Browns 351 Yard Rushing Day
by Joel Thorman on Dec 20, 2009 4:46 PM CST
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PrintOn December 16th, 1990, the Kansas City Chiefs game against the Houston Oilers wasn't sold out and thus wasn't televised. It's a shame it wasn't on TV (unless you're a Chiefs fan) because Warren Moon put up a record setting day with over 500 passing yards, then an NFL record.
Fast forward 19 years, and the Chiefs game didn't sell out and thus wasn't televised. There was a similar record breaking performance, except this time it was on the ground. Jerome Harrison of the Cleveland Browns challenged the NFL single game rushing record, falling just nine yards short.
Asked if he knew the Browns' Jerome Harrison had put up the third biggest day in NFL history, Chiefs LB Andy Studebaker said, "I didn't even know that. That's frustrating for sure."
"I don't know exactly what was going on on each play," Studebaker continued, "but that's why we have to go back and look at what's going wrong and fix it. We definitely need all 11 guys and if we only have 10 guys on one play, then you're putting yourself in a bad situation for four quarters."
"That's a great question," S Jon McGraw said when asked what went wrong with the defense today. "I don't have an good answer for you. At the end of the day, we knew what they were going to do and they did it anyway. So, it really wasn't good on our part."
LB Mike Vrabel had an answer for the, gulp, 351 rushing yards.
"When you just shove the ball down somebody's throat in the running game, it has to be physical," Vrabel said after the game.
"We can draw up a thousand defenses and it wouldn't matter. I think there was a time when a few of those plays hurt us earlier in the year, and they came back to them. Repeatedly."
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Great quote from Vrabel
KC needs better, more physical defenders, with more speed. All the schemes in the world don’t matter if there’s not significant talent at many positions.
and we need
dirtbags on the OL, as Mora in Seattle said. We need an angry team.
i agree
it’s almost as if he was taking a shot at clancy. maybe not but regardless it highlights the consistent problem with clancy’s Ds. no aggression.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
That was the impression I got too
Seemed like he was calling out Clancy for failing. Repeatedly.
Cool with me though, I want Romeo.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
You
can’t tackle what you cant’ catch. The Chief’s D has zero team speed relative to NFL quality offenses.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
You don't have to have fast players to stop runs up the middle
You have to have players that fill the holes. Our defense hasn’t been able to do that for years. It was the big problem with the Chiefs defenses during the Herm Edwards years too.
Speed doesn’t mean squat when they are running behind guard.
If you have 9 guys in the box to stop the run and you still get 350 yards run on you, that is bad tackling, bad hole filling and bad technique.
is jerome Harrison...
really that fast
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
It didn't look like it in person
we were just whiffing on tackles too often and getting uneven push from the DL.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
That's true
for the between the tackle runs, but a number of Harrison’s runs were stretch plays where he just out ran containment and the WR either ran off the CB or blocked him down field.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
Yup. That's on the front 7.
I’ve been apologizing for Corey Mayes all season, wanting to wait until they had a true NT. But Mayes and Belcher simply played poorly. Kept hearing the announcers say “took the block on the wrong shoulder.” Didn’t look good, and it wasn’t just because of a fast RB. At best, I see Belcher and Mayes fighting for ST and backup status next year, and I don’t think it’ll take a very high draft pick to push ’em out of the way.
This team’s sorely missing NT, but missing Dorsey, they looked TRULY pathetic. How much of that was on Magee?
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
When you take backup and ST players from other teams
and plug them in a starters, they are not going to all the sudden become starting caliber players. Yes you may get lucky at times. There have been backup RBs and others that have become good starter for one team while being backups for another. But, for the most part these guys are what they are.
I’ve been hoping the same as you regarding Mayes. But, I don’t think it’s going to happen. This team needs major help up the middle on defense.
Agree
Seemed like to me they was running off the left side alot where Magee was kicking his azz kicked. TOTALLY PATHETIC PLAY TODAY. Really hope the whole group of defensive coaches are canned at the end of the season.
That would be a great way to make sure our D sucks next year too
Trash Clancy, play-calling is the single biggest flaw on our defense right now imo. Magee didn’t allow 350 yards rushing on his own. At least Magee’s got an excuse, he’s a rookie. Clancy isn’t.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I agree pretty much
I think Belcher has a lot more upside than Mays does though. A real NT would do a LOT to help our ILBs plug holes by keeping them from being eaten by Guards.
Does anyone know who’s wearing 90 right now? I’m pretty sure that’s the only DL in the rotation today that I didn’t recognize. Dion Gales looked iffy (understandable considering how few game-reps he has) and Magee wasn’t anything special. Tyson was pretty average and Edwards looked like he was getting driven around more often than usual. From what I was able to notice without the aid of replays and multiple camera angles, it looked like Dorsey’s absence hurt quite a bit. On top of that, the DL that did suit up played pretty flat.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
The fact that some of the players didn't know just how many yards they were giving up.
Is a major problem.
"Speed...(long pause)....Kills." -- Lenny Dawson (on JC)
?
They’re not tracking stats during the game. This was 15 minutes after the final whistle blew. Believe me, Haley will remind them tomorrow.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 20, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
For some reason "reminding them" doesnt sound as reassuring as it used to..
I feel the the intimidation factor of Haley has gone from Terminator to Where’s Waldo suddenly
Man until this OFFENSIVE LINE issue is ADDRESSED like I’ve been bitching about here for a year nothing will change. Sure the defense is horrible but when u have an offense that hangs them out to dry like that it only makes sense.
A team is built from the offesnive line up and everytime I bring this up I get a “oh brandon albert has managed to survive”. WAIT….WHAT?? Larry is gone, let’s finally accept the fact that the O-Line is the leagues WORST. Please no more denial. Bravo OL, you’ve just made your QB the 2nd most sacked QB in the NFL…
Horrendous
by chiefnyc on Dec 20, 2009 7:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Biggest problem I saw was right up the gut.
C and G.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Was
you watching the same game as I was? Are offensive line looked like all-pros compared to are DL today. Honestly IMO the OL played pretty well today with 2 backups playing.
KC released their leading tacklers from the past 4 years each year. Or in one case (Scott) traded for a 6th)
Fujita
Kwicka
Napolean
Pollard
Is this fact?
I always like Fujita and wondered why we let him go….no comment on Pollard! GGGGRRRR!!
I want K.C. Wolfs' job!
If a SS has the most tackles on your team, you're doing it wrong
Pollard had major troubles in coverage. I personally wouldn’t have cut him, but now that he’s gone it opens the door for us to take Berry with our first pick, who will likely be a big improvement over Pollard across the board.
I hope he is still around when we pick.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Pollard
is no Ronnie Lott but yea you dont cut him ya know!? I hope whoever we pick can just make a real impact.
I want K.C. Wolfs' job!
Agreed
No more of this “He’ll be in the Pro Bowl in 3-4 years.” We need some players that will step onto the field and make an impact on games for us from day one. And not just one or two. This draft is huge for the future of the team under Pioli.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
And yes, I know that's what every team says every year
But man we need to get lucky in the draft for once this year!
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Pollard
Would have been just fine, with some better play from the front 7. Hell he was only 24 lots of time to improve, now everyone wants us to use a 1st round pick to replace him, when it should be used elsewhere. M.Brown is like 30 yrs old, and we have been lucky so far that he hasn’t been injured. I don’t see a upside to having him over Pollard, especially in the future when he is retired and Pollard is still playing.
I think Brown makes far fewer mental errors and knows how to pull in the same direction when he's in the traces.
Some telling incidents in training camp made it clear Pollard didn’t buy into the program. He’d’ve been a handful (drama queen) that Haley didn’t need and won’t tolerate. Chiefs didn’t lose much in coverage, and Brown’s a better leader on the field, and more likely to set others up for success. For instance, today, I saw numerous times where Brown blew up the play, penetrating and taking out a key blocker, but there was NOBODY behind him to finish the play, as there should have been.
Pollard’s a sentimental favorite and a dead horse.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
lol
I think T.Haley is the drama queen, how can that alone out way the upside that Pollard has over Brown? The upside is age and not being injury prone, easy pick for me. T.Haley is the coach people think he is, he will fail and IMO has already.
Trying to establish a new culture and Pollard didn't appear to be buying it.
Or having problems processing it.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
yes i agree
He need to improve but he is 24 yrs old, now we have people saying draft another ss with our first pick, lol i have to laugh at that.
He is a good role player on a solid defense.
He didn’t have that luxury when he was a Chief. We were expecting him to shut down his side of the field like Troy P. or something. He just isn’t that guy.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
I say he was fine
If we would kept him and fixed the real problem, which is NT,and LB’s. Then he would have been just fine and so would our “D”. Instead we will now draft a ss with our first pick and again not fix our problems with a player that should have picked with pick, like Suh,Ukung,o-line or LB.
BTW:
I don’t know if Berry is that guy either
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I just haven't seen enough of him to know.
IF he did turn out to be the next Troy P, it’s worth it.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
houston texans
A friend of mine is a texans fan. He said their run defense has been so much better since pollard is there. go figure.
Special Teams...
There definately wasnt anything special about them..I couldve coached special teams today. What a joke.
Coaches and assts:
Special teams coach
QB coach
Offensive line coach
Wide recievers coach
Offensive coord.
Defensive coord
Defensive backs and ends coaches
Players:
right tackle
center
Another starting wide reciever
Running back
tightend
defensive end
defensive tackle
nose guard
safety
Am I forgeting anything?
need alot more talent!!
We’re talking about maybe 2-3 years at least before this team is Superbowl bound…
you're delusional
sorry
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Dec 20, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
worst Chiefs team of the past two decades
“I don’t know exactly what was going on on each play,”
“I don’t have an good answer for you.”
“We can draw up a thousand defenses and it wouldn’t matter.”
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Dec 20, 2009 5:01 PM CST reply actions
Makes you wonder what DT would have said after a game like this
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
How in the hell is it that the fucking Raiders are beating Denver?
After they handed us the beatdown of the century 2 weeks ago. Gawd, we are the worst fucking team EVER!!!
Talk about adding insult to injury.
Raiders would have wooped us if Russel was benched earlier in the game
even still we barely beat them and honestly got lucky doing it
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Dec 20, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
The first game was the one that kills me...even now.
We should have destroyed them.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
This team is masterful at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Though we are also quite good at getting blown out entirely. Really just the whole smorgasboard of losing possibilities.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
JaMarcus drove for the winning TD against KC.
Got demoted. Came off the bench and drove for the winning TD against DEN.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Tampas winning baby!
We might get suh afterall.
by raiderhater77 on Dec 20, 2009 5:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Change "Suh" to "Berry" and I'm on board
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think Pioli will have a hard time passing on Suh if he's in reach.
Doubt he’ll be in reach, although losing to the Browns “helped” us in that regard.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Pretty much prototypical 3-4 DE.
Within an inch and a few pounds of Tyson Jackson, just as strong, and faster. Anyhoo, he sizes up as a dominant player for years to come, whether 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE, although you’re right about his currently playing 4-3 DT.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
But
is it worth trading one DE such as Dorsey for him tho cuz I dont think anyone will look good on our d line until we get a real nt
Going to be tough as a Chiefs fan
to watch Suh if we don’t take him…dominate for another team and be an all pro for years to come, if we don’t take him. Sucks that after all these years, we now switch to a 3-4 when a guy like Suh comes along.
someone else will be the hot topic by the time the draft comes...
that’s the nature of the beast.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
I am so jaded at this point...
It’s actually pretty easy to laugh about this. I mean, we really suck. We have taken shitty football to a new level.
New levels of suckitude never before known within this stratosphere. That’s really bad…and true.
This is my coping mechanism too
You have to laugh, because if you don’t, you’ll either get pissed off or sad.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
I know as Chiefs fans we with we could just
point to the DC or the HC and say if we change that, all will be better. But the truth is…this team is starved of talent and physical players. I wish I could watch this team and believe that if we got rid of Clancy and brought in a new DC all would be better. We all need to face the fact that there are multiple upgrades that are needed on the player side of this organization. So many, that it will not be fixed in the next off season.
As Vrabel said, when you know what a team is going to do and you can’t stop it…that is a player problem not a coaching issue.
Jerome Harrison? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
so I was off doing stuff, got home, looked up scores and … what? we LOST? to CLEVELAND?!?!?!? the BROWNS? no, no way … this isn’t possible … at HOME? and HOW many yards rushing did they get? no way, that has to be a typo … and they got WHAT? wait, our special teams are GOOD, that’s all we HAD!!!
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my … Den and Cin on the road means our win total for the year is gonna (probably) stand at 3 games …
yes we need talent, and it’s a shame we got so little in the draft this year … team needs were NOT addressed as they needed to be (as I’ve maintained since forever)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I don't know how often this happened today, but look at that picture again.
WHO IS TACKLING #53?
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 20, 2009 5:28 PM CST reply actions
LOL wow
That was SEVERE holding and its pretty embarrassing a ref missed that. Seriously, hes falling face first with an offensive player wrapped around his legs.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
I miss this guy a lot.... i want him back.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Dec 20, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions
I don't.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
I wonder how it would be different IF we had kept him around?
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
we would have been competitive for a few years longer
but we’d still be missing a SB ring. marty was great in the reg season but absolutely sucked when it came to the play offs. it happened in cleveland. it happened in KC. and it happened in SD. he’s a proven playoff failure. 5-13 in the post season.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Goodbye Clancy...
Hello Romeo…by the way, Brad Cottam is BY FAR the best TE on the roster, way to use your hands Cottam… and Chirs Chambers is the best WR on the roster, D-Bowe/Chambers would be a pretty nice threat next year…but I bet we lose Chambers
you know i wonder if romeo reads this stuff
and is laughing because he has no intention of coaching next year either.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Why would we lose him?
Agree about Cottam. He is starting to look like a real weapon. O’Connel should NEVER play another snap in KC…EVER!
I think he is in the last year of his contract, and with his production He will probably get some looks in FA.
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
If it is his last year
He’ll be RFA not FA
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think...
we should try to sign him to a 2-year deal
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Cottam is signed thru next year
His rookie contract was 3 years. This is year 2.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Talking about Chambers...
but I think it would be wise to extend Cottam for a couple more years as well, he would be cheap and very effective
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Cottam should be our TE exclusively as a pass catcher
With more play time, he could be another Whitten. He was very impressive today.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
I see...
shades of Gonzalez/Dunn in Cottam/Pope
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Dunn was a much better blocker than Pope
Which is confusing to me because Pope is so huge. He might actually be too tall to be effective as a blocker because it would be so hard to get low and get leverage against his man.
I think we should use him as a red zone target. Just throw him balls that are so high only he can catch them, like a low-post pass in basketball.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
In that case...
we should get rid of Pope because Cottam is just as tall, more athletic, and has MUCH better hands
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Pope is fine as a second TE.
Seems like his blocking could improve with some work. He’s def big enough.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
He's not a terrible blocker
He’s a decent all around TE. Ideal #2 guy. If Cottam develops into our receiving TE….cool. If not, they’re are a few available in FA next year. We could really use a blocker type as the 3rd TE tho.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Huh, you're right
I just checked the roster: Pope is 6’8 264 lbs., while Cottam is 6’7 and 268. I didn’t know Cottam was that tall.
And I have to admit that I don’t really know how good he has been as a blocker for us, I just remember that blocking was one of the big knocks against him when we signed him.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if I have EVER seen a better run blocking TE than Jason Dunn.
What an unsung hero.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Jonathan Hayes
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Good call.
Dunn was still one of the best though.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Dunn was fantastic.
Hayes was the best I ever saw tho…
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Ah
Yes Chambers is a FA but we shouldn’t tag him. He’s good but not good enough to pay that kind of premium. Need to get busy and resign him tho…
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
I just wonder...
With him stepping up with the Chiefs and showing he still has gas in the tank – added to the fact that he is an older guy = him wanting to sign a 1 or 2 year deal with a team that has a chance of going to the playoff next year?
Not sure why he would want to stick around with the Chiefs if we are more than a couple years away from being a playoff team.
Unless the Chiefs are going to give him a contract that out matches anything someone else would offer?
We'd have to give him 3 years
He’s 31..so that’s fine.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
That may be just the thing we need to keep him around.
Guys his age really like the longer deals.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli should show him the money...
Chambers, Bowe, and a true burner (like Desean Jackson, or Eddie Royeal) to retturn kicks and be a third reciever would be huge..by the way where was Lance Long (I am officially off that bandwagon by the way)
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't play today.
Probably still shaking out the cobwebs from all the nasty hits he took last week.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
3 years and a deal much higher than any other team would offer
I’m just saying – any team that would also offer a 3 year deal same as Chiefs; he would walk. Unless he has some loyalty to the Chiefs for picking him up off waivers to give him another shot.
Or...
If he likes the chemistry he has got with #7. Other teams may not allow him to get the numbers he has gotten here. That could be some incentive for him to stay.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
D
all of the above. I think he’ll be back.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
I hope...
you guys are right, he definatley makes Bowe look like the 2nd best recievier on the team..and he catches the ball…usually (Merry Christmas Buffalo)
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
I just wonder if a team like Chicago for example
that could use a Chambers and is much closer to a playoff team than we are, could offer him the same deal and the shot at going to the playoffs?
I may be wrong about Chicago…but I was trying to think of a borderline playoff team that could use WR help.
They will definitely be looking but...
Chicago doesn’t look much better than us right now.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Come On?
You really think the Chiefs are as close to being a playoff team as Chicago?
Remembering they lost their top two MLBs this year which will be back next year.
Chiefs = bottom 3 teams in NFL
Chicago = Middle of the pack
you are what your record says you are...
regardless, just ask the Steelers and Titans
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget their QB who is good for at least 3 picks per game.
I really don’t think Chicago is that good. Cutler was a TOTAL free agency bust.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Trade bust...whatever you want to call it.
Cutler has been embarrassing.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
OK...
All I know is that when I watch Chiefs play and Watch Chicago play…
I see a better team in Chicago than I see in the Chiefs. As I said, I was trying to think on the fly when I used Chicago as an example.
I’m not ready to call Cutler a bust either. I watched him play far too well in Denver to believe that he all the sudden sucks.
Like everybody says about Cassel...
He’s only as good as the talent around him. I agree that Chicagos defense is much better than ours but, I don’t think their offense is much better. Especially when you look at the potential of guys like Charles and Cottam who are just now starting to break out.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
And yes, even Matt Cassel who looked much better today.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Its true though =/
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
RIP Chris Henry #15 (Bengals)
RIP Derrick Thomas #58 (Chiefs)
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 20, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Cottam looked pretty damn good today though.
He could be the TE of the future if he continues to play like that.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
The play fake and ability of Cassel to set up in the pocket
seems to be what made the difference for Cottam. The play fake is letting more of those plays develop and the ball to come out when it’s supposed to be, and not early or late, due to pressure. When things are going well, Cottam will go well, it appears.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
As I said
My idea wasn’t to turn this into an argument over who was better, chiefs vs bears:
My point is will Chambers see Chiefs as a team that will be in the playoffs in the next 2 or 3 years or take his chances somewhere else?
my point from below is...
maybe he does, every athlete thinks they can win the games I described below
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Im pretty sure the Lions players wanna be part of that Rare Playoff team.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
RIP Chris Henry #15 (Bengals)
RIP Derrick Thomas #58 (Chiefs)
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 20, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
That's definitely the question...
BTW: Right now the Bears are better but, they could have a change at HC this year and start over with a whole new staff. They could be on the cusp of an overhaul themselves.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
They both suck and are nowhere near the playoffs
As for Chambers, he’ll go where the $ is.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Best chance to win only comes into play
if that team happens to be offering the most dollars. Players always say they want to play for a winner. Then they take the offer from whomever offers the best contract.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
And I think there will be teams that offer
the same thing the Chiefs will. Therefore, it’s going to come down to best team.
Since we are probably the worst team out there, I guess we lose huh Vincent?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
That's my thoughts
I have no reason to believe otherwise at this point.
I guess I could put on my red glasses believe that everything will be fine and we aren’t really as bad as we look.
I’m sure that would make me feel alot better every week too. It’s just starting to look alot like it did when I went to the games in the 80s that’s all.
WTF does rose colored
glasses have to do with anything. You’re tyring to say that we can’t possibly resign him because he’ll go to a better team. Simply untrue. Bad teams sign FAs all the time. If we offer the best contract he’ll be a chief. if we don’t…he won’t.
Period.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
And this is based on?
They’re is always a top bidder. Name any example of this happening…ever.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
If you believe that the Chiefs
will be the top bidded then there is not an argument here. That’s all you have to say..
You think the Chiefs will offer a better deal than anyone else right?
No
you stated that there will be other teams offering the exact same contract. I asked you for an example of this happening…ever.
Still waiting.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I would I find contracts that were offered during negotiations
since that is never released by the teams? All we ever hear about is the deal that the player signs.
You said a player is going to go to the team that offers the best deal. If you think the Chiefs will resign him, then I take that as you believe the Chiefs will offer the best deal. Am I reading you wrong?
No that's correct
I just don’t appreciate you dismissing me as just putting on “rose colored glasses” and thinking everything will be alright. Things are pretty fucking far from alright and Cambers won’t fix it. But your assessment that he’ll want to go play for a winner so we won’t resign him is based on nothing.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Satch
Nothing personel to you. I enjoy your post and you are one of the bloggers I like to read the most.
All I was saying that if all things were equal concerning money…I felt he would pick to go with a different team. I understand your statement that money is never equal. And yes I have no way to disprove you that two teams have never offered a player the same contract. So I should research before I say something like that.
Once again, I’ve never thought of you as a “rose colored glasses” wearer. That was a general comment to those that want to believe that Chiefs fall in the catigory of being close to a playoff team.
Less Money
Bart Scott turned down a longer, larger contract in 2006 from Browns to resign with the Ravens. Jason Taylor turned down 8.5 mil from wash to go back to Miami for 1.5 mil.
And yes I understand that each of these were special cases in which player wanted to go back to longtime team to end career and Scott wanted to stay with winning Balt team.
I know this is theoretical, but...
if we beat Dallas and Oakland (had those games won), and defend our home turf against the Broncos like normal, and beat the Bills and Browns at home…we would be 8-6 and in the playoff hunt…it sucks because this is completely conceivable. Anyway, I do think we are getting better…but it is hard to see past all of the losing
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
You just said you are what your recode says you are
Then you throw out all these what if situations.
I never said we were..
good enough to be 8-6, I simply pointed out that if we could defend our own feild and start beating other shitty teams, things could begin to look alot different…that is why I used the the word theoretical…it has no implication of fact
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
This is something we all say every year believe me.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
RIP Chris Henry #15 (Bengals)
RIP Derrick Thomas #58 (Chiefs)
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 20, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
I know that we couldn't defend our home
field during the late 70’s and 80s and we are the shitty team that other count on as a win. Getting to the point you are talking about is alot further away then what we hope.
Sure looks that way after today doesn't it?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 20, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
again...
this is why i said ‘other’ shitty teams…this wording implies ownership of shitiness…defending arrowhead should not be an unattainable goal
by Tomahawk_Chop on Dec 20, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
And what would it take for this team to start
defending hits home turf?
A good team right? Just having will and want to do so isn’t enough to make that happen. We need to erase our thoughts of the 90s and look at this team for what it is.
Yup.
Long enough to get some more help in the draft or FA. He had a nice game today.
He's been productive almost every game for us
I’d like to see him back next year. I hope he remembers that we were the ones that plucked him off the scrap heap and gave him a chance to shine—and thus get a bigger FA contract next year. That said, I wouldn’t really blame him if he wanted to leave and join a contender. If I were him, I’d sign a two year deal with KC and be a big fish in a small pond, playing for extremely loyal fans, and trying to help a once-great franchise reclaim their former glory.
Sounds like fun to me!
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Bolts fans will say that this is how Chambers operates.
Big splash, followed by a disappearing act.
I think he’s a good complementary receiver, and his price might be just right for such. If Chiefs just pay him big dough and depend on him to carry the load, they will be disappointed. If they pay him in the neighborhood of $1-2 million a year, with incentives to push him close to $3 million if he produces, I’d be OK with that.
He made me eat my words about his pass-catching technique, using his body and his HANDS to catch 3 passes that were pretty much up for grabs. Don’t know if he manages that against better competition, but definitely a legit threat. But let’s not forget the game-winner Chambers simply MUFFED last week. (Memories are short!)
Just don’t pay him so much you can’t afford somebody as good or better to add to that WR corps. I think Copper and Bradley are simply inferior players.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
in other news
Jamarcus Russel just came off the bench and led the Raiders on a game winning TD drive…..oh and TB won as well
The Raiders have beaten the team that just blew us out on our home turf.
I think I can shoot myself in the head now.
Not unless you shoot me first.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
RIP Chris Henry #15 (Bengals)
RIP Derrick Thomas #58 (Chiefs)
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 20, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
If the Raiders had not played the Russell nightmare the first half of the season
They would not be that bad of a team.
Russel scored the winning TD
so its kinda worse than I thought.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
RIP Chris Henry #15 (Bengals)
RIP Derrick Thomas #58 (Chiefs)
by NJChieffan16 on Dec 20, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Unbelievable ending in Pittsburgh!
Is anyone else watching this?
Incredible
Big Ben is back. 503 passing yards!
Chiefs could have the 3rd pick in the draft again
That would suck. but we could get who we want.
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Dec 20, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions
We have been humiliated. Look at the shutdown corner post on us.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
RIP Chris Henry #15 (Bengals)
RIP Derrick Thomas #58 (Chiefs)
Just when I thought all those worst all time records where over...only the Chiefs can find more records to beat.
With all the veteran coaches out there…it’s sadly time to fire Haley. There is no progress and why should we have to waste another year to find out what we already know that this coach is not the answer for this group of players.
by NFL season ticket holder on Dec 20, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions
Are you serious
this has nothing to do with the head coach, this has to do with lack of talent. None of these veteran coaches would be able to do anything better with the players that we have
Not fair to Haley.
He needs an off-season to hire assistants that he wants, not just who were still unemployed when he got the job. I see big turnover in that department. Same with FA’s. Now they will have a full off-season to sign a few good players to improve the team. Haley needs at least another year with a better staff.
this team
with the exception of a few guys should be embarrassed to even call themselves NFL football players, what a joke. I hope most of them realize that they only have 2 more games left in their careers in the NFL, cause when we let them go in 2 weeks I highly doubt any other team is going to be retarted enough to sign any of them, most of them arent even good enough to be on a practice squad. And is it that difficult to find a goddamn defensive coordinator who knows how to coach defense.
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned is the droppsies.
8 drops in this game. 7 in the 2nd half. 5 on 3rd downs that would have been first downs. Including 4 straight. I was so disappointed to watch that at the game.
I thought Charles and Cassell had some of their best days in KC.
Chambers limped off in the 4th… I was nervous about that but I think he’s okay.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
and chambers and cottam
they seemed to be the only receivers that caught anything.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Cassel sucks..
.. His numbers were bloated by the fact he was playing against the NFL’s second worst defense only to the Chiefs. Matt Stafford a 22 year old kid threw for over 400 and 4 TD’s on ’em.
defensive and special teams players
should not get any days off this week if I was Haley I would have told them to leave their pads on and head over to the practice field and made them practice for about 6 hours. Same with the receivers who keep on dropping the ball
Chiefs defense needs to show some heart
Vrabel said it best. Guys just need to be physical and take some pride. Somebody whether its Vrabel or Mike Brown has to get on somebody butt about doing their job. Guys just have to get mad and take pride in what they do and start knocking somebody out. I mean its just about being prideful in what you do. Today defense didn’t show any heart or pride.
People..
…keep talking o-line are you serious! D-line is the major concern we just gave up 286 to a RB who’s career high was previuosly 120. No Glen Dorsey was a huge factor and Ron Edwards is the worst player on the team.
Defensive Line
I was 15 rows back watching the game and there was not one play the defensive line pentrated the backfield on a running play. They were always getting pushed back 3 yards, and Tamba was getting kicked out all day. Watch the highlights and you’ll see the defensive line get dominated all game.. It was an all time low for the fans!!!! We have to trade Dorsey and our First Round Pick to what looks like the Rams, and draft Suh! He is the best defensive lineman in decades.
It was embarrassing.
I was in Vegas at the sportsbook decked out in my chiefs game gear, and it was a very rough day.
But if I’d been in KC, I’d have been at the game. Just seems like these last two years have been historical lows, even by comparison to our crap years in the 80’s.
But, we have the three time NFL executive of the year on our side, and I’m confident we will improve.
REMEMBER, even when we had Dick Vermeil and All-Pro Trent Green, they only got six wins in their first year. On top of that, a lot of folks were second guessing what eventually became the NFL’s best offense. (Arguably one of the best in history)
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Dec 22, 2009 12:28 PM CST reply actions
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