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The Chiefs Offense is Less Offensive

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I was inspired by the comparison posted this morning about how the Chiefs and the Broncos match up statistically. I believe, despite the blowout loss in Cali that the Chiefs are playing better football with the addition of Chris Chambers and Jamaal Charles and the subtraction of  "He Who Must Not Be Named" aka, 2.7.. I decided to look into the Chiefs numbers before and after the BYE and then compare those numbers to the Donkeys over their last 4 games. The results were pretty encouraging.

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We all know the Chiefs have problems on defense that are unlikely to be solved this season but how has the ho-hum offense been progressing? Well, it seems that even without Bowe, the chiefs offense is turning a corner. Here are the numbers. I have left out the Baltimore game because I wanted to focus on the Cassel lead offense. Remember this has been essentially a different team since the BYE week with the additions of Long, Chambers and Charles. Also the rushing yards are not the teams total yards but the average of the lead back or 2.7 vs. JC. Johnson had the high rushing yards for each of the first 6 games with Cassel and Charles has had the high in the 4 since he left town.

 

Offense in first 6 games with Cassel:

Average Passing: 165.6 yards per game.

Average Rushing for lead back: 56.3 yards per game.

Average Points: 13.5 per game.

Offense in the last 4 games, after the BYE

Average Passing: 226 yards per game.

Average Rushing for lead back : 72.5 yards per game.

Average Points: 19.5 per game.

 

As you can see the Chiefs are averaging 60.4 more yards through the air, 16.2 more yards on the ground with their lead back and 6 more points per game. Cassel for that matter had 994 passing yards in his first 6 games as a Chief and 904 in his past 4. A very nice improvement. Are the numbers spectacular? No. But they show a marked improvement. Also, these improvements have helped the Chiefs improve the one stat that matters; wins. In the first 6 games of the Cassel era the Chiefs were 1-5. In the last 4 they are 2-2.

 

Will all this translate to a win over the Donkeys? Maybe. The problem here is the Chiefs defense. The D cannot usually compete unless the force some turnovers ala Pittsbutgh. However, the Chiefs seem to fair better in games with weaker QB's who can't really burn them deep. They also tend to keep it close in games against teams that play pretty good defense and tend to grind out wins. Denver certainly has had to grind out a lot of their wins, never putting up a ton of points but not usually giving them up either. Over the last 4 weeks the Donkey's have had a lot of trouble on offense, save the Giants game where their defense reemerged and gave their offense plenty of chances. Orton is not likely to go deep too often on the Chiefs. Denver's offense seems to thrive on their talented possession receivers who tend to make a lot happen after the catch. If the Chiefs defense can keep things in front of them, like they did in the Pittsburgh game, they should be able to prevent the kind of quick scores that killed them in games against the Chargers, Eagles and Giants.

 

The Donleys have actually not been as good as the Chiefs over the same 4 game stretch highlighted above. Here are the numbers.

 

Donkey Offense in the last 4 games:

Average neck beard: 1 per game

Average passing: 207.5 yards per game

Average rushing for lead back: 72.3 yards per game

Average points: 14 per game

 

Based on these numbers you could predict that the Chiefs will win by a score of 19 to 14. You could also probably flip that around and say the Broncos win by the same score. I think if the Chiefs can get their offense going early, especially the running game as Elvis Dummerville will attempt to eat Cassel alive, the Chiefs have a fair to good chance int his one. The offense must continue to make strides and the defensive play makers need to show up with some turnovers. The Chiefs offense, obviously, cannot afford to give away the ball.

I believe id the Chiefs offense continues to improve that have a shot at beating all of the teams remaining on their schedule. Denver, Cleveland, Buffalo and Cinci all like to grind out wins...well...er...Cleveland likes to grind out losses. The key will be holding on to the football, which for most of the season, the Chiefs have done a good job of doing.

I expect a wild finish Chief Fans. Strap in!

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I really, REALLY hope we can beat the Doneys

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

and possibly the DonKeys...

Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:

1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass

by kcchiefsfan72 on Dec 2, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the stats

Just with the eye evaluation I thought the Chiefs were moving the ball a little better against the Chargers. All the turnovers killed them though.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Dec 2, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What?

You can’t honestly be serious?

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Why not???

What has Cassel done to show that he is any better???

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 2, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

2 wins for starters

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

opps 3

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Cassel has also shown the ability to improve as the pieces around him improve

hence the argument above that the offensive numbers have gone up, as has the wins with the addition of more play makers.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

The WPI article shows

his play has gotten worse as the offense improves.

We now have a 10-game sample of his performance as a Kansas City Chief and at least statistically, the first five games (57.1 percent passing, seven touchdowns, two interceptions, 82.2 quarterback rating) are more impressive than his last five (54.1 percent passing, six touchdowns, five interceptions, 72.9 quarterback rating).

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 2, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

That is a BS stat

Why did they choose 5 games? Could it maybe have something to do with the fact that it includes both Charger games where he had most of his picks?

I chose my spread of games because that is where the offense as a whole, not just Cassel, has shown improvement. Cassel and the entire offense have improved since the BYE as my article indicates.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Cassel has thrown for 90 less yards in the last FOUR games

than he did in the first 6!

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

5 games for the 0-5 start (let's say)

Last 5 to have balance (let’s include the Washington game). We are 3-3 over those games, so you would think that Cassel was playing better. However, his 51.6% passing and 70.1 quarterback rating just further lower the stats presented. Luckily he didn’t throw a pick that gaem (but there was no TD to help out either).

The offense is doing better, Cassel is not.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 2, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

FIRE CASSEL

HEEEZ A BUM
CASSELL SUXXXXX
BRODIE IS A HALL OF FAMERRRRR

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by craig in calgary on Dec 2, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you necessarily

This thread gives me a headache

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by craig in calgary on Dec 2, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Cassel is throwing for more yards

and we are scoring more points. And we have won more games. I could give two shits what his QB rating is as long as he keeps throwing for a lot of yards, the Chiefs keep scoring more points and the team keeps winning some games.

Thiggy had some games with a great QB rating but he didn’t win us any games.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He's also

throwing it to the other team more, putting the ball on the ground more, and taking more sacks.

I’m happy with the wins, but he’s got a ways to go. Do I want Brodie to start? No. Am I concerned about our investment in Cassel? A little.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 2, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I will agree with you that the offensive strides

are mainly due to Charles and Chambers. However I think Matt will be ok. We know he needs more protection and it isn’t coming this year.

I also agree with you about a QB coach. I thinkt hey need one in there, especially since he now is developing a relationship with Chambers and Long. I don’t know if Chambers will be back but I think they will keep Lance as the slot guy so it would be nice to have a QB coach working with him ASAP.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Pray

that they do keep Chambers. He and Charles have been bright spots on a dismal offense. If we upgrade our o-line next year, retain Chambers and keep Charles as starting RB, we will have a good start to a great offense. Charles in the backfield, Bowe/Chambers on the outside, a good o-line and Cassel with time to throw? Fuhgetaboutit…

Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:

1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass

by kcchiefsfan72 on Dec 2, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's upgrade wherever and whenever possible

Chambers is better than what we had but not better than what we need. Charles needs a Complimentary back. We don’t appear to have “Thunder” to mix with Chales “Lightening”

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 2, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

When you play to WIN the game, sometimes your stats show :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 2, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

no way

so lets screw up any kind of chemistry that has begun screw that and Brodie too he had his chance. You where a Grbac supporter to werent you?

by tomahawk44 on Dec 2, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

OOOH good one TT.....

royalsfan love Grbac royals fan loves grbac…well I’m off to write that on the sidewalk after I play hopscotch

by krayfish on Dec 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Mat Cassel = a win against the Redskins, Raiders and Steelers

Brodie Croyle = No wins. Ever.

Try presenting an actual argument to back up your opinion instead of absurd predictions. Croyle has never won a game. Ever. There is no reason to believe he ever WILL win a game in a Chiefs uniform.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Brodie Croyle = broken leg from Dumervil

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by woodman212 on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

It was funny in his last game at Baltimore he was so scared he looked good because every pass play he threw it within 2 seconds. and it was on target.

Hate Larry Johnson.

by royalsfan99 on Dec 2, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

eh

if my math is right which it very well could be wrong that would be like 65% Ive seen better and he misses the big throws consistently. and yeah Matt has had bad games Im not going to sit here and say he hasnt but San Diego also has his number big time this year. San Diego has 4 of Matts 7 interceptions and Oakland has the other 3. Sometime QBs ust struggle against certain teams.Not saying that its excusable but its a fact. Cassel hasnt thrown any interceptions to anybody but the Raiders and the Chargers. He could be better but there is no way Croyle could outplay him.

by tomahawk44 on Dec 2, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

plus matt

was like 15 at 30 with 2 picks at San Diego.

Hate Larry Johnson.

by royalsfan99 on Dec 2, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but...

Brodie starting just means that we get to Matt Cassel starting later in the season, rather than sooner…

There’s just no way that Brodie could’ve withstood the punishment that Matt’s taken this season. Like it or not, Brodie has proven that he’s as fragile as they come. He might have a decent chance of finishing a season if he played for a team with a decent OL. We are not that team. As a starter, I doubt that Brodie makes it through more than 2-3 games before he’s on IR…

I’m also not convinced that Cassel’s play warrants benching him. His completion % is more a factor of drops, than anything Matt’s done. If you remove drops, I’m thinking his comp % looks closer to 70%. Also, Matt is mobile, while Brodie is a sitting duck…

Our team is finally getting some consistency, so we need to stick with the starters that we have. Consistency will breed improvement…

"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...

by Chief_Elmo on Dec 2, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen Elmo

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Brodie do u remmber the first game at Baltimore

17-26 180 yards two touchdowns no picks against Baltimore with Ray Lewis. Thier front looks like this Nagata,Pryce,Craig He had Larry Johnson and his only Reciver was Dewayne Bowe. And Matt Cassel has Chambers,Long,Wade,and semi Bowe. Put Croyle into that offense and watch him fly.

Hate Larry Johnson.

by royalsfan99 on Dec 2, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

And how many times did he drive the team down the field that game?

heck one of those TDs happened because of DJ. Croyle has never even won a game. Not to sound like a dick but if you use the reply button it will keep your comments more organized. And no Mcintosh wasnt on the team then.

by tomahawk44 on Dec 2, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

BRODIE CROYLE IS NOT GOING TO START FOR THE CHIEFS

STOP SAYING THAT. AND YES I KNOW I’M SPEAKING IN CALL CAPS AND I THINK ITS JUSTIFIED.

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by craig in calgary on Dec 2, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

that is how I feel everytime someone brings this up

I like our QB. Know why? Our QB has won us some freaking games. 3 to be exact. That is one more than last year and 3 more than Croyle.

i think there is a solid chance the Chiefs will finish with 6 victories. I think they will beat the Browns and have a legitimate shot to beat the Donkey’s ones and the Bills.

That will be 6 wins. That will match the win total for the last 2 seasons.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I like Cassel too,

but he needs to play better. Haley needs to get a real QB coach to work with him. He needs to do it now, and not wait for the offseason.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 2, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The most imortant thing for me down the stretch

is that we win a few games and begin to establish an identity on offense. I am hoping that happens now that we have our RBOTF (running back of the future)

I think Charles is helping the offense get into a groove. He is a first down machine! I am hoping for an exciting offensive performance against the Donkeys.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

(thankfully) I only saw the 1st part of the SD game.

Charles looked magical (despite the drop). I think Haley is getting a better feel for the playcalling for the players we have on the field.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats why the DBowe suspension hurt

Down the stretch it would be nice to form an identity with Cassel/Jamaal/Dwayne/Chambers all firing on all cylinders. I guess we will see that in a couple weeks.

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by craig in calgary on Dec 2, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Starting against the Browns

I think we will be able to get it going against them :)

by tomahawk44 on Dec 2, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

TT your giving Cassel Way too much credit for those wins.

He certainly wasn’t the anchor in those games. His stats don’t lie. You could make an argument that Peyton is the single biggest reason their 11-0. But not with Cassel. His number suck.

I know this is always going to be a sore spot to talk about. but all you have to do is watch him play a whole game. You don’t credit for being a game changer because you didn’t suck the last drive of a game and got lucky.

by krayfish on Dec 2, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

"Cassel's numbers suck"

QB’s numbers are like a girl in a bikini…shows alot, but not everything.

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by craig in calgary on Dec 2, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Kray where did I actually give Cassel credit for the wins?

Ive just laid facts out a quote please? He has won unlike Brodie which one stat I will take any day.

by tomahawk44 on Dec 2, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no idea I made that up so I could argue with you

well, it has been awhile…but your no fun. Your being reasonable and fair. STOP IT NOW!! (-:

by krayfish on Dec 2, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You crack me up Kray

:)

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 2, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

lol my bad man

you gonna make it to the Browns game Kray?

by tomahawk44 on Dec 2, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I honestly don't know TT. I just had surgery (colon) so I'm still in recovery

and I have a second procedure in 3 weeks so I don’t know if I’ll be able to. But it’s on my radar. If it’s even remotely possible I will. Then you can bash me in person ….HELL YAH!!

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 5:42 AM CST up reply actions  

haha naw we would have fun

Im actually getting to go to the Browns and the Bills game now Im pumped!

by tomahawk44 on Dec 3, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

It’s not like anything we are saying is unjustified. Cassel has played pretty poorly overall if you ask me. I’m NOT saying he is terrible but he isn’t all that great either. He is an average QB. Nothing more or less. Will he get better? Maybe.

With that being said, I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brodie couldn’t do a better job. I don’t really see how he could be any worse really. He get’s rid of the ball much more quickly than Cassel does and his accuracy down the field is way better. If you gave Croyle the offense with the current weapons on the team, I think we would win more games.

The thing is that we will never know for sure. There is no way Pioli would allow the Coach to start Brodie after the big contract we just gave MC. I will say this though, if Matt C goes down for an injury…LOOK OUT!!! There will be a QB controversy in KC. Mark my words.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 2, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

I disagree!

Cassel is and has been a sacred cow without question. There is no way a Herm draft pick is going to start over Pioli’s 63 million dollar acquisition. No freakin way. I don’t care how well he plays.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Throw in that Croyle simply isn't that good...

Seriously, once Prothro went down at ‘Bama, I never really saw anything about Croyle that made me think he was worth a first-day pick, and he hasn’t done anything to change that.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 3, 2009 6:53 AM CST up reply actions  

rec

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 2, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You aren’t going out on a limb by saying that Cassel isn’t having a great year but you are jumping off the freaking Empire State Building to claim that he is a better option at QB for the Chiefs or for any other NFL team for that matter

Should have read "to claim that CROYLE is a better option at QB for the Chiefs or for any other NFL team for that matter

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 2, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So whay?

The Raiders have a whole slew of fast receivers.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 3, 2009 6:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Let Cassel ride

He’s doing okay for a guy on a team that is still in the formation stage—one with a terrible line, no less.

I think a more important step will be finding a decent OC, and perhaps a good OL coach. Wouldn’t mind having Solari back as OL coach, although that seems unlikely.

I’m still pulling for the Colts’ Clyde Christensen as OC.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Croyle was NEVER allowed to play HIS game...EVER!!!!

Under herm, Croyle was left in as a game manager while LJ carried the ball for 2 YPC in RRPP offense Herm loves so much. Even in the game against Baltimore, Haley didn’t unleash the Arm until we were down and the only way to catch up was by making a big play to score (which Brodie did). When Croyle has been allowed to throw down the field he has been very impressive IMO. I have wanted for a long time to see a coach unleash Croyle and see what he can do.

I don’t know for sure that Croyle is a better QB than Cassel but, from what I have seen of the two of them, I truly can’t say he isn’t either. I will say this though, in his one start against probably the best defense we have played this year, he played a better game than I have seen from Cassel so far. I DO know that much.

I want everyone to know that I am NOT anti-Cassel and I don’t even necessarily think he should start over cassel. In fact, I will even say that if I were in haley’s shoes RIGHT NOW, I wouldn’t start Brodie either but, I have to say with a few more terrible performances like the 2 games against SD, I would not hesitate to throw Brodie in and see how he does.

You have to ask yourself…What if?? What if we do trade him or cut him this offseason and he goes to another team and becomes the guy that leads them to a championship. Wouldn’t you want to know for sure before doing something stupid? maybe Croyle was just one more QB who fell victim to herm’s QB killing playcalling. (FACT: Herm Edwards is the only HC in NFL history to go through 5 different QBs in a season more than once) 2003 with the Jets and 2008 with the Chiefs. If he sucks, fine, put Cassel back in but, if he comes in and starts kicking ass….GREAT!!! Because to be honest, I don’t give a shit who is back there as long as they are playing well and winning. The QB position is THE most important position on the team and I for one would like to know for sure that the best player is actually the the one who is starting. Right now, that is questionable.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 2, 2009 5:17 PM CST reply actions  

He has 9 career starts

in those starts he has broken the 200 yards passing barrier exactly 1 time. In that game, it took him 43 attempts to climb all the way up to 217 yards. He has never won a game. In his starts, he averages less that a TD pass per game.

What exactly is “his game”?

From what I can tell, having watched every snap he has taken in the NFL, is that his game is sucking farts out of assholes. His game certainly isn’t playing winning football.

Oh wait. I forgot to note you use of cpas and exclamation marks. You must be right.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 2, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And with tax season almost here
I forgot to note you use of cpas

I would recommend all of you to use a CPA. If you don’t have one, I know one or two of them.

OK back to the thread, Croyle played college ball at Alabama, AKA Herm & Martyball, so I have to go with KC Satch and say what exactly is “his game”? because he seemed to be playing it for Herm. He had a tremendous effort against Baltimore, I will give you that, but he does not have Cassel’s ability.

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by cpa913 on Dec 2, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

ARGGGH I WAS READING THIS!

This is beating LOONGGG dead horse. Brodie has never won a game. Simple fact of life. Damon Huard actually won games…DAMON HUARD!

F Croyle. I think I could throw a TD 7 yards from the endzone after a DJ pick also.

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by NJChieffan16 on Dec 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions  

He may not have ever won a game but....

He never put on a display like Cassel has done in 2 games against SD. That was embarrassing! The only game that was even close to that was when Denver DOMINATED us at Mile High 2 years ago. That game wasn’t his fault. It was the whole team sucking bigtime.

It’s not even worth arguing about this. All you will do is call him Brokie and talk about how he’s going to break his leg when the wind blows or whatever. If you were being any kind of objective at all you would not be able to deny the fact that he is a more accurate passer, throws better deep balls, and get’s rid of the ball quicker than Cassel. If you watch both of them play, there is no way you can deny any of that. I don’t hate Cassel or want him benched necessarily but, I AM curious to see what Croyle would look like in this offense with (slightly) better O-line play and better WRs.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 2, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

HOOOOOOOOOOOW?

I presented an actual argument above with actual stats that showed Croyle is NOT a better deep ball QB. In face most of what I said had nothing to do with him being injury prone although that is also a valid argument against him.

All of the stats point to Cassel being a better QB. The only “evidence” you have mustard up to counter was that Croyle sucked because Herm didn’t let him “play his game.”

Well by all mean enlighten us to the ways of “Croyle Ball”

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 3, 2009 6:13 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yah you made your point PA..completely.

 I’m sold on the Cassel vs. Broyle issue. You swayed me. I’m not saying he is who I would choose as a franchise QB at this point. He needs to actually show me something before I’m going ga ga over him or anybody else. But your argument was rock solid and air tight.

You can’t argue with stats. Not when your a QB. There’s no way to hide. The O line. Yes you can hide a little there. Even the defense is able to hide behind certain stats. but not a QB. A QB is way too clear cut and dry. Good comment, great presentation and with a little Grey Poupon you’d have yourself a nice little commercial there PA.

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 7:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for hearing my argument there Kray

I agree with you that I am not sold on Cassel is the franchise guy (although I do hope he is, I bought his jersey)

He does need to continue to improve as the team improves. I think he is making strides. Let’s hope it continues.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Well Croyle's never going to start for us.EVER.

Croyles got a better arm believe it or not. Cassel is tougher and we can’t afford to have another freakin’ injury!

by krayfish on Dec 3, 2009 5:43 AM CST reply actions  

63 Million dollar BUST!

11 FUMBLES, LESS THAN 2000 TOTALYARDS,AVERAGES A 6 YARD LOSS WHEN SACKED,13 TD’S,HUNDREDS OF BATTED BALLS,THIGPEN,$750,000.00,22 TOUCHDOWNS,3000 TOTAL YARDS,6 FUMBLES HAD ALMOST 400 YARDS RUSHING.

by J ray on Dec 3, 2009 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Where is the amount of picks he threw?

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

by NJChieffan16 on Dec 3, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

WHAT - I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE ALL CAPS!!!

-"A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married." - H.L. Mencken

by Big Chief on Dec 4, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Seriously?

J ray, wake up. Thigpen doesn’t even play here anymore and was never a pocket passer. I am so glad we got a pick for him. How do you call Cassel a bust with an 11 win season. He has shown he can win with pieces around him and once he understands a system. Ridiculous, saying he is a bust. Look at what Sanchez and Stafford have done. Cassel has a bright future with the Chiefs. However, I too hope to see even more improvement. I personally think between the injury, new system and the lack of O-line, he has been really challenged mentally and needs to settle down in the pocket…if thats possible.

by casselreadychiefs on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

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