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Cowher versus Haley! The Ultimate Celebrity Deathmatch!!!


Hello AP! I was just reading 1mile's post "What do we want?". I was trying to answer it when I decided it was 420. Then I thought about 1970's chili. MMM! Anyway his post made me decide to go ahead and throw out MY feelings on a topic that has occasionally, especially lately, become a hot bed for conversation.
 

So I will answer his post here in my post and add to it. You'll have to read his post first. I hope you enjoy. It's just food for thought. Our season is done and we really have nothing else to chew on...so.....

Star-divide

Option 1 is basically asking for the Schottneheimer days to return...so no.

 

Option 2 takes us back to 1968, until after our only Superbowl win. Self explanatory...as that would mean we would have to sit by and watch history repeat itself. No thanks.

Option 3 was a joke so again moving on...

Option 4 is of course what you should pick.

But I'll take option 5 - The Pittsburgh Steelers ONLY. "The Rooney years".  They have made every decade exciting. Even in their worst of their worst. They always have hope. They always have talent. They always have superior coaching. They have superior scouting. They have patience. They have won more Superbowls than anyone. How's that for a resume?

I reference the Patriots a lot. But, whilst they have been a great dynasty for a long time now, they have never compared to the Steelers, long term. Though suprisingly, even when they wore Buccaneer's orange, the Patriots would occasionally pop in to check out how it feels to get whipped in a Divisional Championship or Superbowl.

Personally, I want the Pittsburgh Steeler organization mentality here in KC. Which is why I like Cowher. He may not win us a superbowl, he may. We don't know. But he could come here and certainly teach this organization a LOT about how Steelers organization functions and thinks. Now, I imagine someone wants to tell me that it's not a big secret how they do things in Pittsburgh. They have years of tape out there. But I stick to my guns. When it comes to the inner machinations of their organization, If everyone knew how they did things, then they would be able to duplicate it. But no one has right?

Now, I know that it's not good to change head coaches too often, for a lot of reasons. But aside from the glaringly obvious reasons, it's also not good because it scares off head coaches. Great head coaches are more likely to work for an organization like Pittsburgh or Tennessee simply because of job security and longevity with one team. I think it sends a bad message to potential high quality head coaches, if you are quick to fire and quicker to hire.

So,if your going to make a move at head coach for the Kansas City Chiefs you would do it now or never. It's certainly not going to help this team to give the current coaching roster, even more time to draft even more players that fit their scheme, to only then bring in a new team of coaches that are going to rip the  team in a whole new direction. You know, like we just did.

Allright! That being said, I still don't think we should get rid of Haley. Not IMO. Not yet anyway. But if we did. Cowher's the guy. He hasn't coached another team since his unbelievable 15 year stint as head coach of the Steelers. He knows more about the secretive inner workings of that franchise than any other person alive. He knows things. Things he hasn't shared with any other organization yet. Things he is saving for HIS next team.

Man. Just for that alone it's tempting. That all being said. I have no real super strong opinion either way. I think it's probably best for now to stick with Haley. But I think if Cowher is available you can't just pretend he's not and look the other way. It's food for thought. This would make for a great celebrity deathmatch. So who wins this deathmatch? Cowher or Haley?

Poll
Since many of you don't comment but you do answer polls, what would you do?
That's a no brainer...you go with Cowher everytime!
32 votes
No way. You do more damage than good. Haley stays!
16 votes
I like Haley. And I believe in him. I wouldn't take Cowher over him under any circumstance.
5 votes
Hmmm. That's a tough one. I need to think about it more.
6 votes

59 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Whassup Kray???

Chili’s cooking even as we speak.

If we can’t get Bill C then Haley should stay but, I have to be honest. I would trade 2 Todd Haley’s for one Bill Cowher. Other than the Hoodie, Bill C is the best coach out there right now. He would put a competitive team on the field in the first year without a doubt. What would be even better would be if we could keep Haley around as OC. Bring Romeo for DC and we would have a damn fine coaching staff. Probably as good as any team in the league.

The real beauty of that would be that, our schemes would change very little and we could work with the core of players on the team without having to blow the whole thing up again. At least no more than we will have to anyway.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 19, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

OMG I just commented on that "I am a Kansas City Chiefs Fan" Post.

That kind of post gets under my skin. Although I have to respect the sincerity and passion behind it. I just think that’s a pretty harsh post.

by krayfish on Dec 19, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds like a winner Brother!

We’ll be smokin fatties and blowing Chili farts for weeks haha!!!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 19, 2009 10:08 PM CST reply actions  

I think the Madden video games is to blame

I swear there are so many Chiefs fans that want to treat our team like a season on Madden when you realize you don’t like the team you put together so you just bail on it and start over again. The problem is when you do that with a real NFL team you end up with the Oakland Raiders or Detroit Lions who lose year after year because the “plan” is always changing. We need to have patience and stay the course. Pioli stays, Haley stays, Cassel stays. The foundation of the team stays in place so we can actually build upwards instead of bulldozing what we have and starting over again. Stop the madness, the grass isn’t always greener, step away from the keyboard Kray its time to take your meds.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Dec 20, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions  

Everytime

I see a mock draft that includes trading away our best players for draft picks then plugs all of their draft picks into the starting lineup, I have to resist the urge to tell the OP that this isn’t freaking Madden.

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

+1000

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 20, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

NO I pretty much agree with you on that porkchop! I myself think that right now is not the time.

I think Haley needs atleast one more year here and really he deserves that. We did hire a rookie HC and learning is part of the deal. But I think this is a point of division on AP and deserves to be addressed in a low key conversation.

It is tempting to at least think about. I am curious to hear what others are going to say about it all.

by krayfish on Dec 20, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

The only coach I would "start over" with is Cowher

But, ONLY Cowher…proven coach,proven talent evaluator,been to a couple SBs, and he brings the Pittsburgh mentality that we are trying to mirror. Bill would bring instant confidence to the team, get the fan base back into Chiefs football, and fill seats.

by KCinAZ on Dec 20, 2009 12:54 AM CST reply actions  

I'd take Marty in a heartbeat

but yeah, Cowher would do …

and while we’re at it, can we get a new GM as well?

please?????

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Dec 20, 2009 2:45 AM CST reply actions  

Fired

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Re-fired for want to give a GM only 1 year

to fix a dogshit team.

C’mon man!

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Dec 20, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Assuming that we had to start over with a new coach,

Cowher would be my choice, but…it’s a moot point. I just don’t think Bill Cowher even remotely would want to coach in Kansas City, (From all the media comments he’s made, I really think he doesn’t like the city, or the team) And that’s making the assumption that he’d even want to coach at all. From the way he seems to portray himself, he’s perfectly happy sitting behind a desk as an anylist and commentator. I think he’s happy doing that, at least for now. Honestly, I have to question why we’re calling for Pioli/Haley’s head so early anyway. I mean, it took us twenty years of the five year plan for us to get rid of King Carl. And it took at least three seasons of awful game management and boneheaded calls to get Rid of Herm Edwards…Did everyone use all of their patience up on them? Believe me. I want Kansas City to be in New Orleans shoes as much as anyone does, I really do, But before We start screaming for heads, let’s at least give Haley and Pioli enough rope to hang themselves with.

by BetterRedThanDead on Dec 20, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

Yah I agree betterthan...but just to be clear so you know

I personally am not asking for his head. I am just curious what everyone feels about this topic right now on AP.

by krayfish on Dec 20, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I think better red than dead hit it.

I think the flow of this post is more a hypothetical discussion for fun. It’s kind of a what if we HAD to. YOu know. What if Pioli DID make a move who would you want?

by krayfish on Dec 20, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

Oh, I'm with you, Kray.

If Haley was gone, I’d be like crossing all my fingers and toes and praying to the football gods over and over my one word mantra of “CowherCowherCowherCowherCowherCowherCowherCowherCowher.” I was actually doing that this offseason when the rumors that we were actually going to get him were floating around. It would have been an absoloute Coup coaching wise on our part. I would have been like. “Wow! he doesn’t hate us…” Lol.

by BetterRedThanDead on Dec 20, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I would

Be ok with Bill Cowher, Brian Billick, Dennis Green, or Leslie Frazier…..anyone else I would not be happy!!

Chili and Cheesecake at Krays Krib!!! Yeah!!!

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Dec 20, 2009 11:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Cowher would be great!

You know Bill is a Very good friend of Marty’s so wherever Bill goes I could see a reversal of roles when Bill was in Kansas City for example I could see Bill Cowher as head coach(hopefully for KC) and try to lure Marty into being the defensive coordinator( itd be like a dick lebeau thing. I think that right there would be the best tandem of coaches ever assembled….Dang i wish we would get rid of haley now!!

by Chiefs190 on Dec 20, 2009 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

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