Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley
by Matt Conner on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 AM CST
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PrintLet me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite.
My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season.
It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch.
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Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach.
Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold.
We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.
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I'd ONLY get rid of Haley for two coaches:
Cowher or Schottenheimer. Just my opinion though. Dont’ want Shanny, it would be really awkward to have him in a red and gold polo. Holmgren is kind of bleh to me.
Marty or Bill only.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 17, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
+1
I said this to my friend at work…if we could get Marty back or Bill Cowher you have to pull the trigger.
If not, well I’m ok with Haley and have defended him all season.
by Ryan in Nixa on Dec 17, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
This is one of the worst NFL seasons in recent memory
Across the league. There are a few elite teams and the rest are painfully average or bad. I honestly don’t think that has much to do with coaching, and Pioli would not have a power struggle with a guy like Shanahan, it’s a moot point.
I DONT want Cowher
I DONT want Shanahan
I’m lukewarm about Gruden
I’d like Leslie Frazier to be our DC
I'm not a Cassel fan or a Tamba Hali Fan or a Jamaal Charles fan. I'm a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Leslie Frazier is going to be noones DC
He deserves a shot at a HC and I would have loved to have him as my HC.
If I was a GM, he’d top a short list of candidates.
Too bad the rediculous Rooney Rule is going to jerk him around for the next couple of years.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 17, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I dont want to sound racist for being opposed to Affirmative Action...
But I dont think any of the NFL owners are racist, and if they truly want to win I can’t see them being blind to a coach because of the color of his skin. If you ask me, The Rooney rule should apply to coordinators and not Head Coaches, so when the ranks of top coordinators are more diverse then there will be more candidates to pick from.
You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred
by averagegatsby on Dec 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps the Rooney Rule was needed when it was implemented
But enough is enough.
If I was a young black coordinator, I’d role my eyes everytime the phone rang for an interview.
Is it a legitamate interview or is it the team just abiding by the rules?
In my opinion (as a white dude) the Rooney Rule is an insult to African Americans (In 2009)
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 17, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
yeah...
and like I said I think the coordinator pool should be built up, I dont think its fair to have to be forced to interview a black coordinator when there is slim pickings.
You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred
by averagegatsby on Dec 17, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
He got it pretty bad this last off-season
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Gruden Just Signed a Contract Extension!
With ESPN to keep doing Monday Night Football, so you can take him off the list…
I like Gruden as a Man, but he had like three losing seasons in a row before getting the boot in Tampa, why would we want him?
Im sure that contract has a clause that would allow him to go back to coaching
You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred
by averagegatsby on Dec 17, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
but he had like three losing seasons in a row before getting the boot in Tampa
They were 9-7 in both 2007 and 2008.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 17, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
That's definately better than I remember, but it is correct.
As I said, I like the guy, but I am happy enough right now…
I of course am intrigued by the possibilites. I do NOT want another non experienced HC here.
So the guy from Minnesota? No thank you. I’ve said before that historically first time rookie HC’s do not make the SB. Any more than HC’s with their 2nd team do not make the SB either.
So there’s two basic schools of thought here. Dungy came in fixed up the Buc’s and then gave them to Gruden who drove them to the SB.
Do we do that here? Do we let Haley come in and try to fix this team and then hand them off to a veteran coach who can drive them to the SB?
Do we bring a veteran coach in right away to get this team fixed and then let a young blood like Haley try to finish the job after he’s learned somewhere else?
It’s tough to say, but intriguing none the less. I am just going to have to trust Pioli I guess. Ultimately it’s his job on the line if things don’t get turned around here in KC.
However, I doubt Shannahan or Holmgren would even be the remotest possiblities for HC here ever. No matter what. Because both of them are combo coaches. They are pseudo GM/HC’s. They want full control like Parcells does. I don’t see them allowing a strong willed GM like Pioli to run the show. It’s not their M.O.
I still think Haley has the makings of becoming a championship coach
NO SuperBowl winning Headcoach has returned to win another. Parcells, possibly one of the best HCs of all time, came as close as anyone. I’m sticking with Haley until he shows he’s not the guy.
-"A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married." - H.L. Mencken
That's a great point
And with the attention span of the average Chiefs fan, its hilarious for people to shout Cowher from the rooftops…you know how long it took him to build the Steelers? and don’t you know how impatient our fans are? lol.
I'm not a Cassel fan or a Tamba Hali Fan or a Jamaal Charles fan. I'm a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Agreed
Cowher is looking for (and will get) his BIG payday. Todd is bright, is a strong leader and will grow (like his team) as we move forward. Obviously, he deserves more time; let us evaluate at the end of 2010…I think he will fare well in KC given some time.
"let's take it one play at a time"
Dunno...
I have withheld judgment on Haley for this year. I know the team was terrible and the situation he walked in on was one of the worst but some of his decisions have been beyond quesionable, they have been just terrible. To fire the OC that close to the season and not have a real OC or QB coach for the entire year has hampered this team. Players don’t seem to know what they are supposed to be doing. A player can start one week and not even be on the active roster the next. Our QB, who has started 1 season in both college and the NFL, has no QB coach to work with him and an OC that is dividing his time with head coaching duties. There’s no consistency and that is no way to build. We are almost at the end of the season and we are still making mistakes like we were in the preseason. That is, in large part, due to Haley’s decisions and because of that we have wasted an entire year.
There has been almost nothing from this year that we can show as progress and something to build on for next year. The questions we came into the season with are pretty much the same questions we have going out of the season. These are not the signs of a good head coach. This off season will be pretty telling. If they can address some of the issues and look like they are making progress going into next season then he still has a chance. That means they need to get a couple big free agents and they have to draft really well. If they can just shore up the offensive line I will be a happy guy and it will seem like they may know what they are doing. Otherwise, if they do nothing again, just bring in past their prime free agents, don’t address the lines, and if they don’t hire one heck of an OC then I say Haley can go.
by Fozzyboyd on Dec 17, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You make good sense and I am not an apologist for Todd. I think that the reason there has been no continuity is because this year has really been an extended try-out camp. If they can evaluate talent (I think they can), then they know who can fit their vision after watching so many different players perform. The off season should be a reflection of their evaluation. The thinking is; nobody is great, lets look at as many players as possible and see who is good. But we agree: we need an OC and maybe a new DC as well. It was interesting how long it took them to name Clancy as DC last year. It might be very telling of what happens this year (Romeo).
"let's take it one play at a time"
The only thing I will say about Holmgren and Cowher...
They may not win a Super Bowl, but they would definitely leave the team in a better situation than they inherited it.
You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred
by averagegatsby on Dec 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
If the rumor mill is true regarding Haley and Pioli...
We may not be as married to Haley as people are thinking. If it’s true that they haven’t spoken in 7 weeks, I would not be surprised if Haley get’s canned. I’m not saying that’s what I want but, I would bet that he won’t be around IF the rumors are true.
Bill Cowher would not hurt my feelings one bit. He would be a clear upgrade.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 17, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
I dont believe for a second that Pioli and Haley haven't talked in 7 weeks...
Even Schottenheimer and Smith in San Diego met despite absolutely hating each other.
You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred
by averagegatsby on Dec 17, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
For all this talk about coaches strutting their stuff, the Chiefs landed one of the best executives in the game.
Who is trying to do his job…I don’t think we should be remotely thinking about coaches. WE DO NOT HAVE AN ADEQUATE TALENT (PLAYING) LEVEL. We need good players. I could care less about the coach right now, and its impossible to evaluate, and damaging to player morale to kick him out of town after 1 year of his team getting to know him.
/Caps thunder!
I'm not a Cassel fan or a Tamba Hali Fan or a Jamaal Charles fan. I'm a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs.
I voted Grumblestiltskin
because I don’t know what it means.
Shanahan – No rat please. Unless he brings Elway and TD with him.
Cowher – Supposedly wants full control. I’ll stick with Pioli for now thx.
Gruden – Ugh. How is he even on this list?
Holmgren – See Cowher.
Hot Coordinator – Isn’t this what we went for last year?
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 10:52 AM CST reply actions
exactly
none of those guys would be a good fit in KC with Pioli. If we were going with a retread my choice would be Brian Billick, but I’d still take Haley over him. Actually, I’d prefer a Bill Walsh personality and IQ…anybody like that around?
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I'm more interested in an OC
I’ll give Haley time to develop, but we need an OC to take some of the burden off the guy (as well as a QB coach and possibly a different WR coach). Plus, something has to be done about the defense. It’s true we need better players at ILB and safety (and likely a new NT), but something on the defensive coaching staff is wrong when we get beat so regularly and brutally. I think Clancy is gone after this season, or at the very least the secondary coach is.
Don't change the head coach
Add an Offensive coordinator and maybe change up / add some assistants. Haley needs to be the Head Coach, nothing more, to possibly make this Chiefs team become what we as fans deserve!
So you think you are so important that no one can replace you? Put your finger in a bucket of water and pull it out. Does it leave a hole? Nope, just some ripples that eventually calm themselves!
by Fan of the Red And Gold on Dec 17, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions
sounds logical to me
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
much more worried about Cassel than Haley
I enjoy Haley’s aggressiveness, though his play-calling can be suspect. In many ways, Haley is tied to Cassel (demoting and trading Thigpen). And if Cassel continues to struggle, Haley could be fired after two years.
trust me
if haley gets fired, it will be because of his poor coaching and not matt cassel. we have a very underachieving offense (for being such an offensive guru he sure doesn’t seem to understand the strength is the running game) and an almost league-worst defense (30th in the NFL).
“cassel is going to cause haley to get fired” argument doesn’t hold water.
I'm not a Cassel fan or a Tamba Hali Fan or a Jamaal Charles fan. I'm a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs.
well...
(for being such an offensive guru he sure doesn’t seem to understand the strength is the running game
the strength of the team is jamaal charles and not necessarily the running game. beyond charles, there isn’t much to call a strength in the running game. the line is bad, the back up rb’s aren’t good either and really, charles fumbles too much and has a bad shoulder. you can’t lean on him too much because then you have no strengths on offense
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
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Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
by kcguy on Dec 17, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The wide receivers coach has got to go.
Obviously Bobby Wade while not being an elite receiver by any stretch at any point in his career, did not suck this bad before coming here.
Chambers had some of the best hands in football. Before coming here. He talked about receivers not sticking to the their routes properly etc.
It would appear that our WR coach is bad for this team. He does not posess the IQ to make our receivers better, only worse. If your graded by how your part of the team is doing, he should already be fired. The receiving corp he is coaching are long time veterans who have enjoyed success in the NFL prior to their arrival here.
Haley can’t do it all himself. And a QB coach? Hell yes that needs to happen asap.
Wade sucked bad enough to get cut
The Wades Bradleys and Longs of this league are going to struggle. They simply aren’t that good. It’s the lack of progression from Bowe and Lawrence that’s disturbing. Year 3 is supposed to be when elite receivers make the huge step forward in production, Bowe has regressed. Lawrence is our “project” draft pick. I don’t know if anyone is actually working on this project, but it sure as hell looks to be running behind schedule.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
no no no....
Lance long was/is the second coming of Wes Welker…. despite his inability to catch the football and the complete lack of success he had in college….
I’m not so sure Bowe has regressed I think it’s about the status quo and I’m hoping to be able to attribute that to a scheme change.
Hope you're right on Bowe.
But status-quo is not at all what I expected from him this year.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I expected a lot better...
I kept hearing about this todd haley kid who was a great receivers coach and expected a big leap forward…. let’s hope after a year with the playbook, and hopefully a year where our head coach isn’t every single offensive coach and the water boy, will help him develop.
it took larry fitzgerald two years to become great under haley too
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
I've had this argument a bajillion times before...
so I’m only going to write one piece…. Fitz would have been the best receiver on the planet regardless of who coached him…..
Fitz disagrees with you.
he’s come out several times and said he wouldn’t be the player he is today without haley. you can’t just re-write history because you don’t like it.
I'm not a Cassel fan or a Tamba Hali Fan or a Jamaal Charles fan. I'm a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs.
He was already
the player he is today, before he ever met Todd Haley, his stats from 2005 are practically identical to his stats in 2007 and 2008….
This has less to do with discrediting Haley, and More to do with Crediting Larry Fitzgerald. After all, he’s the one that did it on the field.
so you're one of those guys
the kind that says things like, “i kept hearing about this todd haley kid who was a great receivers coach and expected a big leap forward.” but when something’s pointed out about larry fitzgerald, who himself has credited haley with his ascension, says, “he’d have been great anyway.” it’s ok that you don’t like haley but you are ridiculous for not giving the guy any credit for something he has accomplished. i suppose steve breaston was gonna be good regardless too.
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
I was being sarcastic in the first post...
I’m sorry you were unable to read that….. Like I said earlier I’ve hashed it out a thousand times…. Sure Haley helped the guy, Sure Fitz like him…. but if you don’t think he would have been a dominant receiver without Haley you’re delusional.
Do I need to remind you how great he was in college…. or in 2005, before Haley got there he led the NFL with 103 receptions for 1,409 yards and 10 touchdowns and was named to his first Pro Bowl. The guy was on the path to greatness long before Haley ever met him.
In 2007 and 2008, After Haley got there, His numbers were nearly identical…
This has way less to do with Haley, and a whole lot more to do with the Fact that Fitz was a great receiver already.
no doubt fitz was good but why does he give haley so much credit for helping him?
he must of made some sort of impact on him. that’s all i’m saying. we are well aware of your (unwarranted) disdain for haley but he has had some pretty good accomplishments as a coach and you seem to dismiss them for any variety of reasons. show many any “good” coach and i’ll show you a team full of players who were good before he got there. that’s how it works. good players make good coaches look even better
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
I don't think it's really unwarrented...
but I did say that if he got to his third win this year I’d stop riding him, and I have for the most part….. I’m Glad Fitz likes the guy…. But his production, the only measurable in the equation didn’t change after Haley got there, and hasn’t dropped off since he left.
In Reality, I hate When ANY coach gets a Ton of credit for a player’s success.
I don't think Bowe has regressed at all
Remember that Tony Gonzalez guy? He took a helluva lot of pressure off of Bowe, now Bowe is getting all the attention from the DB’s. Throw a new scheme in the mix while we’re at it too.
If you only knew...
Some of the stuff about routes might just be the receivers not knowing the offense thoroughly
I don’t know where this stuff about Chambers having some of the best hands in football came from, though. Everything I’ve heard says he’s always had inconsistent hands. Am I just missing something?
GREAT POINTS
Made by everyone. I really thought I’d see more posts supporting the idea of getting rid of Haley in favor of one of these guys. That’s a good sign.
Lynch mobs stay up late stalking their prey
So they wind up sleeping in. The fire-Haley crowd should check in this afternoon.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
little harsh on 2nd shift :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 17, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Get a rope!
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I'd like to say it's cuz us late night-ers are occupied...
But…im not…except for today.
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Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite.
This might be the best line I’ve seen written on AP…. What a people pleaser… ha…
As much as I hate Haley, We have to have some sense of continuity around here. This isn’t college football where a coach can come in, in one year and drastically change the fortunes of a program. I’m willing to give Haley is Three years but when he fails I want his ass to be on the first boat to Alaska. Or wherever the hell he came from.
I don't think any of these "names"
are better than what we have. The veteran coaches just aren’t what I’d want (even when many here last season where all aboard the Shanahan train) due to track records, and dumping Haley for another inexperienced guy just doesn’t make sense at this point.
So I voted #3, because I’ll call Haley as I see him, but I think he deserves a fair chance (at least the 3 years Herm got)
If you only knew...
I'd have to disagree....
I think the NAMES are better than what we have… I’m just hoping and praying and wishing that some continuity will do some of these talented youngsters some good… lack of continuity is bad for development anywhere….. But that was largely my argument for keeping Herm… so what the hell do I know…
Haley is an unknown
The one thing I feel confident in saying about Herm is that keeping him around is bad for team development.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
If the choice is between "curtain"
and “shit sandwich” I’ll take curtain.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
At least there is a chance
that curtain is Halle Berry in a bikini and a “come hither” look in her eyes. Where as shit sandwich will always be shit sandwich.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 17, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
That was largely why I wanted to ditch Herm (or never hire him)
I wasn’t against the Haley hire as much. I think he’s got WAY too damn much on his plate right now and probably needs to lighten up a bit and refocus.
But it was Herms lack of continuity I had a problem with. The only thing constant about him was that he’d play the guy he drafted.
If you only knew...
I would have liked another year or two
just to see if Herm could help those young guys win….. instead, we went through a roster implosion…. and we’d go through another one again next year if we hired someone new…. boooo for implosions…
Give Haley/Pioli a chance
They inherited a lot of average players. Pioli is brilliant. Haley is new to the HC position but his passion and fire will pay off. Give them 2-3 more full seasons and we may look back at this season for what it is……….a TERRIBLE season that gave a lot of answers to a lot of people.
Personally think there should be a new OC (Sorry Todd) and DC and new WR and QB coach. Would love to see Trent Green as our QB coach. Oh and a new OL coach – KC MUST find a way to keep Cassell off of the ground. He’s eaten a ton of dust this year. I’m sure he does not need to add fiber to his diet w/all of the grass he’s ingested.
Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself.
In the fall the leaves turn red and gold. That must mean God is a CHIEFS fan. ~ Melanie
And another thing………just say NO NO NO NO NO to Shanarat. It would kill us all to see him in red and gold. I personally would never trust him as a coach for my CHIEFS!
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I wouldn't care if
Bin Laden were the coach as long as we win some ball games…. Hell maybe he can send Elway through a time machine…. I’d eat all of cassell’s contract for Elway 15 years ago.
Problem is Elway hates the Chiefs so if he was on our team he’d lose on purpose. LOL In a perfect world we’d be where the Colts and Saints are. I just keep reminding myself that the Saints didn’t get where they are overnight. A lot of head coaches and player changes put them where they are today. I keep telling myself that w/the Haley/Pioli team we’ll be there in about 3 years. I lived through the 80’s, I can live through this. lol
Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself.
In the fall the leaves turn red and gold. That must mean God is a CHIEFS fan. ~ Melanie
Now is not the time
The very last thing we need in KC is another excuse to start Rebuilding yet again. Coordinators can come in and add to the team, bringing in a new Head Coach means starting all over again and I’m sick of it. Give the new leadership a real chance to show us what they can do, what the long term plan is and how it is coming together. If it all look s like it does now after 3 years then yes that’s the time to look in a new direction but right now neither the GM or HC has really had a chance to get the people either as coaches, coordinators or players to bring the plan into any kind of action.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
Cower
Would be the only coach I would want to take over. He is a proven guy with ties to KC…As much as he has shied away from coaching the last few yrs, he may not want full control. Especially with a 3 time GM of the yr. Takes some of the pressure off of him with less responsibilities.
That being said, I would rather keep Haley for now. Just because this team has seen too much change yr in and yr out..I have knocked Haley quite a few times for his decisions and playcalling, but I also know that he is not coaching a very talented team. This team does not have the weapons to execute the way he envisions. I also believe in Pioli. He will get that talent we need eventually.
I'm no fan of many of the things Haley has done
but in truth, the errors he’s made are typical of a first-year HC. I voted that he should be retained, because I think there’s a decent chance he can learn from his mistakes and be a good HC – but more importantly, because I think Matt is absolutely right: we are married to Haley, because the worst thing the Chiefs could do is get another head coach after just one season.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
I don't think it would matter...
With so many other options, we would be unlikely to get any of them, i think…Who knows tho
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The coaches available..
Im not saying that I don’t back Hailey and I do think we need to keep him for atleast another year or two, but I DO like the coaches that are available!! I would LOVE to See Gruden, Cowher and even Shanahan on our sidelines. I thought i’d never say it about Shanahan but how SWEET would it be to have him with us kicking Denver’s @$$!!
We want Marty!
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
by ArrowDread on Dec 17, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
What?
Who cares if he knocked up some Hooters skank? The guy can coach!
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
I agree...
I like the guy and thought he was a good coach but the fans in KC rode the ever living crap out of the guy for not advancing further into the playoffs…. he was basically considered a steaming pile of poo.
Exactly right.
This just goes to show how caught up in the moment people get. If someone had said that 10 years ago, you’d have been thought of as crazy. And 10 years later, we’re yearning for the days when we were “almost making it.”
Everyone just needs to take a step back and cool out…COOL OUT!
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
The man was
a heck of a coach and I hated it when he left. His problem here was he never really cared to much about the offensive side of the ball. He fixed that in all his later stops and excelled everywhere he went with good all around teams. He never did much in the playoffs but he gave us a better chance than we have had since. Well, maybe Vermiel but that was just a mirror image of Schot, all offense and no defense. But I would take either of those over anything we have had the last few years. Unfortunately isn’t he almost 70 now?
Crazy article.
Grass is always greener…..right.
I guess we should discuss changing coaches after every losing year? There is always a “name” out there and he must be better, right? Keep in mind that all of those big names were “no names” when they started. I’m sure the fan base of each of those coaches first teams were bitching up a storm when they were hired and had their first losing seasons. And keep in mind that this is Haley’s first losing season with KC (not ours, but his).
Of the 4 big names mentioned, 2 were fired from their last jobs. You don’t do that if you believe they are the one to get you to the promised land. The other 2 presumably walked away with the idea of returning to more power. Bill Parcells did the same and never had great (okay, but not great) success in his next gigs. As for Frazier, think of all the “hot” coordinators that have never turned into good HC’s. Weis, Crennel, Mangini (just from NE alone), Norv Turner (inherited most of SD; struggled previously), etc. etc.
Haley is who we have for the next couple of years. The changes should focus on everyone below him. Besides, who would want to come into a position that apparently requires a 1 year instant fix?
I CANNOT BELIEVE how close the vote is.
Give me a break, people.
I'm not a Cassel fan or a Tamba Hali Fan or a Jamaal Charles fan. I'm a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs.
You’ve been married for under a year. This smoking hot woman comes in, looking for new love after getting out of an 8 year relationship. Unfortunately you are married and have to watch everyone else chase after her while you just sit on the side, drooling and cursing your wife. You always want what you can’t have. It’s just human nature..
I could be talked into Cowher and maybe Holmgren as coach...
But I have no desire to have Shanahan coach my team, the guy is massively overrated and was pretty mediocre after Elway. And Im just not sold on Gruden I dont like him, and he is great in the booth, I would be a little bitter if my team took him (since I dont like him) and took him from the thing I like.
Leslie Frazer… I dunno, It can’t be that hard coaching that defense.
You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred
Fair enough I guess...
You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred
by averagegatsby on Dec 17, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Why are people so adamant about bringing in a coach who has won a Super Bowl before???
it NEVER works…NEVER. No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two different franchises. In fact, in the last 15 NFL seasons (1994-08) NINE of last 15 Super Bowl winning teams were coached by a person who had failed to win a Super Bowl with a previous team (97, 98 Broncos; 99 Rams; 01, 03, 04 Patriots; 02 Bucs; 06 Colts; 07 Giants) with SEVEN of those nine fired by the previous team (eight, if you include Gruden who would have been if the Bucs hadn’t traded for him). The rest of the teams (94 49ers; 95 Cowboys; 96 Packers; 00 Ravens; 05, 08 Steelers) were first time coaches lifted from coordinator positions (and in some cases simply a coordinator who took over a previous championship team)
The point I’m making is, if winning a Super Bowl is the ultimate goal (and why wouldn’t it be?), history has shown that you’re more likely to achieve that with a coach who’s been FIRED from another team, than from one who has already won the big one.
I’d rather the Chiefs start winning with a guy they built through the ranks and picked up on their own, than to be viewed as "the team that sucked until Cowher/Shanahan/Holmgren/Gruden/etc…who won a SB with the Steelers/Broncos/Packers/Bucs/etc… came along and “fixed” them.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
And that may be because those FIRED from another team
are able to bring with them a right mix of assistants and cooridators rather than trolling the league for what is left.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 17, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Highly questionable source....
Haley/Pioli not talking???
The exchange:
(Camaro door flies open)
Todd Haley: What are you saying? You saying I need to talk to my GM? You saying Todd Haley has a boss? Todd Haley HAS NO FUCKING BOSS. No one tells him what to do or where to go. YOU READ ME? I call the shots here. You don’t like the way I do things, son, THEN YOU CAN GET THE FUCK OUT. I win with you. I win without you.
(flips sunglasses back down)
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Dec 17, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I post v rarely but have to put my two cents here
Jack Harry said the same about tension between Pioli and Haley on the news. I have never been a big fan of Haley and don’t doubt that Pioli might make the speach about holding everyone accountable one more then time after he fires Haley.
I think Haley has proven to be too young, inexperienced and uncomposed for leading a team as a HC. Letting Pollard go with no draft compensation was the last straw.
We need a GM and HC combination that can attract and keep good talent. Pioli is the right man for GM but Haley is not right as a HC for us.
by loyal Chief fan on Dec 17, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'm 101.5% sure that Haley doesn't have final say on personnel decisions. Negotiating trades/getting picks is Pioli's job.
Letting Pollard go with no draft compensation was the last straw.
I'm not a Cassel fan or a Tamba Hali Fan or a Jamaal Charles fan. I'm a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs.
agreed
yep, let my emotions get the better of me on that post. Agreed Pollard is a Personel decision. Seeing Allen, Gonzalez, Pollard go and losing all these games its hard to be a believer. I went to the game last weekend and it doesn’t even feel the same anymore. All said I would feel better with a more experienced HC.
by loyal Chief fan on Dec 17, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hanging my hat
with Haley; however, I would toss about the idea of seeing if we could hire Marty as a consultant. He has a lot of football savvy that he could pass along if we could hire him for that position!
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
Sounds like the US Government with all the Czar's.....
For the Chiefs, actually a pretty good idea at this point.
by casselreadychiefs on Dec 17, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I am 50/50 on this one and I have been very patient with Haley!
He was the last coach to get a job last year with no real options IMO. Maybe Haley will tell Pioli, I just want to be an OC…but I doubt it. I really think that Pioli will be critical of Todd and Staff and hope that we see necessary changes such as the addition of a new OC, DC, line coach, WR Coach and QB coach.
In the end I say give Haley and Pioli a chance next year. If we don’t see improvement after next year 8-8, SEND HIM PACKING!
by casselreadychiefs on Dec 17, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions
Your poll needs an option that says
I would rather put gasoline in my Kool Aid, pour it all over myself, set myself on fire, and jump off the Empire State Building then start the rebuilding process all over again next year with another new coach who would have another new scheme and another idea of what kind of players he is looking for.
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