ESPN's McShay has Okung to KC in first mock draft

I like it.

Just talking about this on another thread.

Here is what the line would look like if I had my way.

LT:Okung
LG:Albert
C: O Dowd
RG:Waters
RT: O’Callaghan

By the middle of 2010, this might be a top 3 O-line in the league. Alleman, Smith, and Ndukwe as backups…Domination.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 16, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions

I totally agree with you

In TWO different threads

by Sparbs on Dec 16, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions

Not impressed with O'Dowd

He lost his job at USC for a while. I guess we’ll see how he grades.

But Okung would be a nice pick. Right now he has to be all alone in the first tier of offensive tackles.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 17, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions

might be the most "O"s on the OL of any team in the league

my only concern would be starting two rookies… no matter how talented, there will probably be some bumps in the road if 2 rookies are counted on to start.

I say get a Center that can start, and stick with Albert, Waters, Ndukwe (or whoever) and O’Call for 2010…

start developing a LG to replace Waters, and an OT that can provide depth and/or beat out the incumbents.

then, draft another starter in the 2011 draft, and develop another player

rinse and repeat

build the line for the long term, piece by piece, without starting all rookies in any given year

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 16, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

No on O callaghan. He's a solid backup and if we have to keep him because

we have no choice then ok. But otherwise I would much rather see him in a backup role. However, we cannot fix this whole team this offseason either. It’s not gonna happen. Especially with the uncapped deal. So..I just hope we get the defense where it needs to end up. If we can just get that one piece of the puzzle fixed and out of the way that would be HUGE!

by krayfish on Dec 17, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

what don't you like about O'Call ?

seems like he grades out very well in Beswaf’s posts…

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 17, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions

Albert has trouble staying healthy?

Did I miss something? He’s missed what, 3 games in two years? I guess I didn’t realize that was all that bad.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now. 11/18 Oh My! Dbowe gets a restraining order to stay 1200 yards away from the Chiefs. Argh! Can we go 5-11? Can the defense make #20?

by Zodeman on Dec 16, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions

I know right?

Where did that come from? I really wonder where these guys get their info.

Okung would still be a nice upgrade at LT though. I hope he is right about this one.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 16, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions

Okung is a solid first round pick.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Dec 16, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions

Although

okung would indeed be an upgrade this team needs more pressing upgrades in different areas. Albert has held his own with little to no help cause waters has to help to the right leaving albert on an island most of the time. i know a dominating left tackle should be able to be put on an island and succeed but look at denvers ryan clady who is supposed to be “dominating” and hali totaled 3 sacks against him and although hali is coming around as a pass rusher he is no demarcus ware or james harrison yet. My point is would you rather have a small upgrade at left tackle or a huge upgrade at safety of lb

by dt58 on Dec 16, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions

well said

I still think Berry is the man if the Chiefs are in the top 5,
McClain would be awesome if they could trade down, or pick out of the top 5
Haden would be a possibility too… get a dominant CB to play opposite Flowers, let Carr work the Nickel….

you never know what Pioli would do

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 16, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions

" My point is would you rather have a small upgrade at left tackle or a huge upgrade at safety of lb"

That’s an unfair comparison. Your choice is a small upgrade at LT, plus a huge upgrade at C or G (depending on where Waters ends up versus your huge upgrade at Safety or LB.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Dec 16, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions

Yup

By upgrading LT you are actually upgrading numerous positions on the line. Waters can play any interior position and Albert would be the best LG in the NFL.

killing several birds with one stone if you will.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 17, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions

Upgrades

I agree with both of you either way if we go with Berry that boosts our D and if we go with Okung then that helps our O-line but we are already paying Albert LT money and I just dont think that Pioli would draft another LT and have to pay a LG 1st round tackle money. But I do see the point everyone is making on both sides. I personally would love to get Berry b/c Mike Brown is not holding his own from what I’ve seen and correct me if i’m wrong please I havent watched many games this year cuz I live in jersey lol.

by scharny on Dec 17, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions

Berry would be our guy if he is still there but...

Okung is a monster. He and Albert on the left side would be sick.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Dec 16, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions

But

the defense would still get burned on the pass and have little run support, Berry should be the pick unless we trade down

by dt58 on Dec 16, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions

I'd have no problem if Berry is taken

but I think the draft is supposedly pretty deep at safety. Obviously no guarantees with any player, but it may be possible to take Okung and then a very good safety in the 2nd round.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Dec 16, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions

Nate Allen would be solid in the 2nd

Okung, Cody, Allen

or

Okung, Allen, O’Dowd

something like that would be nice

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 17, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions

Agree that we need Defensive help, but

if we can’t protect the QB, open running lanes, and buy time for 3-5 seconds of looking down field, then we can’t score points and will be a floundering team forever. The offense has to become consistent, solid and be able to score at will. O-line is our most important concern. With FA we can get some dominant Defensive players and with some of the later picks.

O-Line boys. That is what our first and/or second top pick must be.

by TXChiefan on Dec 16, 2009 9:49 PM CST reply actions

agreed, kinda

the counter argument is:

you can fix the OL by taking a Center to replace the biggest weakness, that can be found with the 2nd 2nd rounder or LATER…

The #1 pick could then be used on a big-time playmaker on defense, the first 2nd round pick for another OL or NT, or WR

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 16, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions

Second Pick could be

but we have a left tackle that isnt bad and we can find dominating guards in fre agency which is what we really need, a center and guard would make this line much better. Defense should be the pick based on positional need and value, Berry should be the pick in the top five or lb outside, possibly mclain

by dt58 on Dec 16, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions

I posted this exact thing yesterday

You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred

by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions

yep.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 16, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions

Plus I added the top 2 picks...

…Busch league

You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred

by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions

I am really ok with anyone but a QB in the top of the 1st...

We need pass rush really bad, but there is nothing for that up there, it doesn’t seem…

I have not seen Berry play but Safety just never seems like a top 5 pick…it just seems like RB these days…

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by woodman212 on Dec 16, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions

I think we have bigger needs.

That said, I wouldn’t be upset if we did do this. It can only help us.

by Vince D on Dec 17, 2009 1:12 AM CST reply actions

throw a dart at a dart board full of positions...

anywhere it lands will help us.

by MountainManMike on Dec 17, 2009 1:52 AM CST reply actions

Absolutely.

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by woodman212 on Dec 18, 2009 3:30 AM CST up reply actions

I think the o line is playing better of late.

One thing about the defensive line and the offensive line of any team is continuity through time. It’s proven that the longer the same set of guys play together and get to know each other’s habits the better the whole unit becomes.

So I think they could bring in a couple new guys and leave it at that and fix the defense next year first. The o line will not save this offense. We would be better on offense right now anyway if Cassel were more accurate and our receivers could catch better and maybe try not getting suspended.

And if we kept the same guys together for more than 2 games at a time so they could get their timing down. The colts are a perfect example of this. They don’t do anything fancy on offense. It’s the same ol thing over and over with them. Simple plays that execute because they have the timing down to a science.

by krayfish on Dec 17, 2009 1:12 PM CST reply actions

i agree with SOME of your points there

continuity is key, especially on the OL
that’s partially why you’re seeing better play as of late…
continuity AND more comfort level with all of the different protection schemes that Haley put in late, AND the zone blocking change from last season.

I’m strongly leaning towards the scenario of drafting a STARTING center, and some later round depth at G/T… lining up with Albert, Waters, Rookie, Ndukwe, O’Callaghan for 2010

THEN, pick up another piece in 2011, and so on

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions

A win vs Browns...

…changes everything. If we beat browns we will pick between 5-8. No shot at berry or Okung. I am hoping for trade down to acquire more picks but Locker not going into the draft really hurt those chances.

Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Dec 17, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions

I wonder if...

…colts and saints fans are on their blogs talking about the draft? Nah.

Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan

by Mr J on Dec 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions

I'd love to see

us pick up Brandon Spikes I think he’d fit well with us in the ILB spot. Him and Belcher i think could really hold it down.

by scharny on Dec 17, 2009 5:12 PM CST reply actions

he's highly rated... but

what does he bring that Cory Mays doesn’t?

is he good in coverage?

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 17, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions