Suh Seems Unlikely to be Available for the Chiefs at This Point
by Joel Thorman on Dec 15, 2009 3:18 PM CST
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PrintYou can always tell your season isn't going well when NFL Draft talk starts before January hits. Nevertheless, we'll lightly delve into the draft arena regarding Ndamukong Suh, defensive tackle out of Nebraska.
We've all heard his name and even though the Chiefs have spent a top five pick on defensive linemen the past two years he still appears to be a desirable pick.
In fact, he's desired by everyone.
Last Sunday on NBC's Football Night in America, Peter King was asked who will land at the top of the draft in April.
"There's no question it's going to be a boy named Suh, Ndamukong Suh, the great Nebraska defensive tackle," he said. "In fact, polling the league this past week I've learned that this is the most desirable defensive player to come out of football in this decade."
That includes Julius Peppers (No. 2 overall) and Glenn Dorsey (No. 5 overall) in recent years.
"The two general managers of the Rams and Bucs have told me both that he's probably going to end up at the top of their draft board. Not necessarily that they'll take him because of needs but I think he'll be at the top of everybody's draft board in the top five of this draft."
The Rams and Bucs are currently slated to draft 1 and 2, respectively, in April's draft. A lot can change but I don't see either team making a late season push and finishing with the Chiefs three wins.
While Suh would be nice, it doesn't appear likely that he'll be around.
Of course that won't stop his name from being mentioned on Arrowhead Pride just about everyday until April.
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I think we should draft the least likely player possible.
Because I’ll be sick of hearing Suh, Berry, Mays, McClain, and Bryant before the start of the year draft.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
we already drafted TyJack
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by averagegatsby on Dec 15, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
yep
If i was a betting man i would say rams take clausen bucs take suh
I think we have a real possibility of trading down this year
We will likely be drafting right before Buffalo, Oakland, and possibly Seattle… all of whom could be viewed as teams looking for a QB. And trading down from the #5ish spot is reasonable.
that'd be great!
the more picks, the better
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
If things go as they have been...
It wouldnt shock me to see us make a trade with seattle(who have 2 first rounders) so they can get homefry Locker.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Dec 15, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Trading down
comes up every year, and every year it’s less and less of a reality. Would it be nice? sure, but no one wants to pay top 5 money even in an uncapped year.
If a top 5 draft pick is so desirable why do the same teams draft high just about every year?
The depth of the draft has alot to do with it too.
Last year stunk to high heaven so there maybe a better market this year.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Dec 15, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
This would be much more likely
if Locker were coming out. In today’s market, teams pretty much only look to trade into the top 5 for a QB. Bradford better have a hell of a combine…
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 15, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
or someone would take someone that wasn't expected...
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I suppose
but what are the recent examples of this? Since the last CBA was signed there have been only 2 instance of trading top 5 picks. Jets traded up to get Sanchez. Giants traded up to get Manning. That’s it. Nobody else has been willing to trade into the top 5 for a non-QB.
that could change this year, but there’s no reason to think that it will.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 15, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
bradford isn't going to make the top 10
That’s right i’m saying it again
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
I agree unfortunately
Which leaves Claussen as the only top 5 QB. If he’s gone when we pick, there go our chance to trade down.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 15, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
i really don't think Claussen is that good either
but he seems to be the “man” this year as far as QB hype goes….gonna be another Quinn
Being a huge ND guy...
Clausen is better than Quinn. A lot of Quinns numbers came off WR screens to Jeff Samardija. Clausen is much better at hitting WR’s in stride, though I don’t think Clausen has quite the arm Quinn did. I realize this doesn’t mean much but Clausen has quite the pedigree, and was the 2nd rated recruit in his class, and the top QB. Quinn had a ridiculous line with a running game too… Clausen has had to do it all on his own.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 15, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
Clausen's got that 'clutch gene' too.
Makes a lot of plays when it counts. ND didn’t suck this year because of the offense, that’s for sure. I like Clausen quite a bit.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
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by scottbwalters on Dec 16, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions
Clutch is an illusion...
Think of it like this… If clutch was such a miraculous thing, why would a player be able to elevate their game when it mattered most, and why wouldn’t they just elevate it at all times…
I once read an aticle about it and they compared QB ratings of “clutch” qb’s. And for the most part they were all the same or worse. I think only Eli Manning had a better “clutch” QB rating, and it was only by like a point and a half.
More often than not I would say that QB’s are “clutch” in the end because traditionally they are always in passing situations where good QB’s complete 60 percent of their passes anyway and then they are going against soft defenses.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
all clutch means is that they don't crack under the pressure
they realize that they have been playing sub-par for their abilities and they don’t let that knowledge brake them. they use it to do what needs to be done, and that is not an illusion.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Did you seriously predict everything in your sig?
Some people pay $2.99 a minute for talents like that.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 15, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
It wont be Suh not only because he's gone...
But because we would have ot move Dorsey first because Suh would end up as a DE in a 3-4 system not a NT.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
except, i think they scrapped the tampa 2 this year, ironically
but, he would be a good fit for their 4-3
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
well...
I don’t hate your idea, if it worked… but, I don’t think you’d get 2 1st round picks… probably another 2nd…
if Cody was there in the 2nd, I’d be all for drafting him.
Safety is a MUST, Berry, Nate Allen, Earl Thomas… one of those guys would be a big help.
the 3rd round should be ripe with OG and Centers… so, as long as KC gets their Center sometime, I don’t care when. Walton, Tennant, O’Dowd… lots of options, i think.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
toby Gerhart!!!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
didn't mean to yell there.
I just like the way that guy plays the game.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I still say thou shalt covet the best player or as many of the best players possible, period!
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 15, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions
+1
And with the amount of holes we have theyre bound to fit in somewhere. This draft I’m all for taking the best player available because this team needs a talent boost everywhere but maybe QB and CB.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Dec 15, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
That is such a gross over simplification for what actually goes int drafting
PERIOD!
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And maybe drafts would be better with that over simplification instead of over thinking it.
What did you do when you picked sides in gym class. You took the best athletes available.
Oh, PERIOD!
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
More over simplification
It’s a multi-billion dollar industry. Just a little bit beyond gym class
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With Charles cementing himself into a legit starter
Do we need to go to a RB in the 2nd round? I’d say we don’t need to take an RB until at least round 4…. Use our #1 on BPA as well as our #2 and #3.
I’m not apposed to trading down for someone’s #1 and next years #1…
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I'd like to see where Blount from Oregon falls.
He could be a great power back to go along with Charles.
a good "1-2 punch" if you will?
(pun intended)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Tim
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by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions
We don't need him
I said it here too.
He’d be redundant here. We’d have to either switch schemes AGAIN or we’d have to move one of our other guys and then wait on his development. Either way you look at it there’s no logical case for doing it. We already have two top five draft picks, each playing 3-4 DE and both have NFL experience now. The problem we have on our D-line is at NT and the last thing this team needs is to draft a rookie DT with a top-5 pick and pay him top-5 money who’s natural playing weight is 291 and then stick his ass in at NT.
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I agree
Suh seems to athletic to be playing NT. I really wish we kept Tank Tyler as he seemed to be a natural NT; big, strong, and stout. You just need some go in there and blow up the center of the line absorbing blocks and let the LBs make the plays.
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by Scaryclouds on Dec 15, 2009 4:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ironically...
even Tank isnt’ as big as they’d like for a 3-4 NT…
They want 330 or 340lbs stuffing the middle of the field.
there’s a BIG difference between 300 and 330 !
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Yes Sir!!!
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Every day until April?
There is the possibility we may actually end up beating a dead horse of the picture of beating a dead horse.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010
Someone please post it along with pics of Berry and Cody ;)
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beating it with a dead horse
while sitting on a dead horse
with a T shirt that has a picture of a dead horse on it
while watching a dead horse on TV
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
The anual KC man-crush
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here's what I will say
IF Suh does fall to KC… Pioli probably doesn’t pass him up.
He’ll listen to trade offers, or draft him.
he’s a heckova talent, and Pioli does love him some linemen.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
If he falls to KC
then he’s the best trade-bait we’ve ever had
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yessir
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
he'll find a use for the guy
I think Dorsey is the precedent… KC didn’t expect to see him at #5, and had other needs… but, he was there, so they had to take him, and re-adjust the plans from there.
Suh would be that kind of player… too good to pass up, on the unlikely chance that he’s sitting there… hopefully someone would trade for him… if not, you find a spot for him
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I have no idea what they'd do with him
we’d have 3 top-5 draft pick 3-4 DE’s.
I’ve heard that repeating the same thing over and over when it produces the same failing result is insanity.
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yeah... they would have to either try him at NT or use more of a hybrid front
I seriously doubt he’ll fall to KC, so again, it’s a moot argument…
but, I can’t imagine Pioli passing on him, because he is a special talent
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
as stated elsewhere
Jackson can eat up multiple blockers from the NT position just as well ass DE.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 15, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Every day until April?
Don’t think so.
More like… every hour.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
3
one that was KCs
one for Thigpen
one for Tank
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Ugh. 120+ days of this. Each and every day.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 15, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions
can you add this over on the "get rid of Cassel" posts?
thanks
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Hahahahaha!
Thanks fellas!
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Hmmmm......
It is still on my clip board……
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 15, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
I believe that's a deer, actually ;)
a doe
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
BERRY
they are saying he could be the next ed reed… why wouldnt you want that especially once you have seem what polamalu does for pitts D, could be the same type of player with berry
Berry is a good possibility.
Suh is likely to be a top 3 pick, and we’re likely to draft around 5th or 6th. Berry should be available there. And IMO, we need a safety more than another freaking D lineman. I’m on the Berry bandwagon. The guy is a playmaker, and that’s what we need out of our first more than anything else…
Although if this freaking D lineman is available when we’re up….. it’d be hard to pass up a beast of a talent like Suh.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."
-Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"
-Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Dec 15, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
I can't imagine that BOTH would be available...
I’d be VERY happy with Berry, I could get on board with Suh if he happens to be there
IF both are gone, Okung would be nice… (or trade down!)
IF all three are gone… McClain or that CB from Florida (and/or trade down!)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
considering we need OLine it doesn't bother me at all
OLine OLine OLine OLine OLine
please!
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Talking draft
Suh will be gone by the time KC picks so he’s out. Berry may stay at TN we’ll see, but SP is not going to draft him in the first round so he’s gone. We don’t need a CB in round 1. Carr is good enough for now. Do you draft McClain that high? I don’t know. Cody seems to be getting bigger. I always thought SP would take him, but his stock is falling.
With a $60 million investment in Cassel I would bet SP uses at least 2 of our first 3 picks on offense. It may be a lineman, but my $ is on Dez Bryant with the first pick now. Much will change between now and the draft and I may have to change my mind again.
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