Browns Questions With Dawgs By Nature
Greetings Kansas City Chiefs fans, I'm Chris Pokorny from over at Dawgs By Nature. It sure does feel good to have finally gotten our second win of the season, especially having done it against the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'd also like to thank the Chiefs for contributing to the Steelers starting their tailspin downwards in the first place!
Our defense looked mighty impressive against Pittsburgh. I'm sure you guys are very familiar with Rob Ryan; I bet every time you faced the Oakland Raiders the past few years, the television cameras would show him 50 times per game. I've loved what Ryan has done this year, but the defense has been inconsistent for some reason (we dominate Pittsburgh, yet got owned by the Detroit Lions). In other words, it's kind of hard to project which defense will face the Chiefs this Sunday.
Feel free to ask any questions you have about the Browns and this Sunday's game! Either me or some of my members will try to hop on over and answer.
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Thanks for coming over Chris. Rec this up guys!
My question is how do the Chiefs beat the Browns on Sunday?
When an opposing team doesn’t score very often (in this case the Chiefs), it’s hard to read without watching them every week. Although the Browns have been worse off overall offensively than KC, seeing our product every week, I have a good grasp of what’s gone wrong.
Therefore, I’ll go with a fairly obvious one: get the ball to Dwayne Bowe. In two of the games the Chiefs have won — at Washington and at Oakland — it seems like he was targeted more often. While Cleveland played excellent man-to-man coverage against the Steelers, we were torched by the Chargers the week before that and by the Lions a few weeks before that. With Bowe returning from suspension, it seems like the right time for the Chiefs to throw a few new wrinkles into their offense again, which I’m sure Rob Ryan will have less to go off of.
It might seem more obvious for the Chiefs to run the ball, but I always like to think of our low-ranked run defense as being skewed. Our defense always gives up a lot of rushing yards in the second half if we’re already out of a game. Therefore, running the ball shouldn’t be the “primary” gameplan for the Chiefs.
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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 14, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Whats a gameplan?
I don’t think our coach has heard of this before.
Haley draws up gameplan of only rushing and passes in the flat to Charles... ignores Bowe
If you only knew...
1. pass protect
2. beat our DBs deep
3. attack the right side of our line
4. double Josh Cribbs whenever he is in the backfield, and don’t kick it to him.
Cribbs is a panzy.
We’ll kick it to him so he can fair catch or take a knee… maybe even muff a punt off of the lefty’s leg.
If you only knew...
That is rediculous
They would have to send us a 3rd rounder in addition.
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by craig in calgary on Dec 15, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Yes they are
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Dec 15, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Rufio, if you only knew of Bobby Wade's awfulness on PR's...
His trade value as a returner is…well…how does a Hardee’s Monster Thickburger with a medium-sized peach shake sound?
Definitely an lol-worthy part of the thread…
Cribbs is a total beast BTW. I love his game.
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by go_saleaumua on Dec 19, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
Saint they have a comment for you over at the Dawgs blog
he wanted to come over here and rebuttle but he has to wait for the 24 hour period to end before he can post over here
Alright. Question.
How do you think this team responds to a big win? They were saying it was their Super Bowl…any chance they blew their emotion wad, so to speak?
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We thought Eric Mangini lost this team earlier in the season. The team was giving up in the third and fourth quarters of games. After our defense would fight their hearts out for the first half, only to be down 13-0, they would almost say “eff it” in the second half (though I’m sure fatigue played a major role) and the effort just wasn’t nearly as strong.
Since the bye week, and since our team has lost some of our starters to the injured reserve, things have slowly changed. Now we’re showing more fight — see our close shootout against Detroit. As deflating as that was, two weeks ago when we were down big to the Chargers, we almost pulled off a big rally in the fourth quarter. Last week, our defense played all four quarters and we continued keeping our offensive turnover rate down.
The young players that are all playing now are very hungry — I think they are emotionally excited from the Pittsburgh win, but I don’t think they are experienced enough to go and think, “ok, that’s all we needed to do, pack it up boys!” I think they’ll be looking to continue removing the embarrassment this franchise suffered the whole first half of the season.
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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 15, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
I think they will play hard. Everyone nationally and locally has been trashing the team, Mangini, and the organization as a whole. I think they would love to end the season looking like an improved football team, which would really help us going forward.
As Chris points out, we are playing a lot of young guys, and some of the key characteristics Mangini has been looking for in players are having a high-motor, good work ethic, and caring about the game of football. (Hence our getting rid of guys like Braylon and Winslow, despite their talent)
Whether or not effort alone will be able to get us Ws, I can’t say. But, I’d rather go down giving it everything than lose with guys that consistently don’t play up to their potential.
How do you feel about showcasing the Chiefs next WR/KR/PR
Cribbs I would LOVE to see him in a Chiefs uniform next year.
I’m sure there are 31 other teams in the league who would love to sign him. Don’t get your hopes up though — Eric Mangini and company finally gave some verbal indication that Cribbs will be taken care of. I’m expecting a big contract extension coming soon, possibly before the end of the season.
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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
What is an approximate Approval Rating estimate for Mangini?
Does anyone think he will return? I, personally, can’t understand why ManKok was ever brought in to begin with but I don’t know much about the situation in the Cleve.
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Approval rating is low. Real low. It probably is up a bit after beating the steelers, though.
I don’t think he deserves all the flack he’s gotten. He has tried to build the team the right way. High character guys, hard workers, intelligent people who are “football players”, and to whom the game of football is important.
He’s had to make hard decisions in getting rid of some of our most talented guys who clearly didn’t care about the game (it was rumored that Braylon was trying to network for modeling contracts during games), and it has made our team worse in the short term.
But, as much as people don’t like it, I believe he is doing things the right way. The problem is that we clearly lack many impact players on either side of the ball. I think that he’s torn down the foundation and now has to get a chance to build it up again.
I am not entirely sold on him as being “the guy” but I don’t think we should fire him before he gets a chance to really show what he can do. We need a new offensive coordinator, though.
Im doubting he will make it back...
Who knows though…recession and all that.
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What was the deal with fining a player ~ $1500 for a bottle of water?
Mangini comes across, I think, as a huge prick (sorry to say). I just wonder what Browns fans (who probably have a more complete picture of him) think of the guy?
I think Haley gives the same general perception to people who don’t follow KC closely (and to a lot of folks who do, actually)
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I think Mangini said at one point...
That the fine was a result of multiple infractions by the player in question.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 15, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
perception = impression
i’m losing my mind
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
The water bottle fine never happened. No one was fined $1500 for a bottle of water.
The media does seem to really hate Mangini, and the local media in particular act as though he has insulted them on a personal level. He does a lot of things Bill B. does in terms of not releasing information, but he hasn’t won, so the story gets told a different way.
Mangini does seem a little shady, but he also doesn’t seem anywhere close to as evil as the media portrays him to be.
Case in point: Much has been made of the $1,701 fine Mangini levied on a player who neglected to account for a $3 bottle of water on a hotel bill. As the story circulated it has made more vivid the perception of Mangini as the worst of micromanagers. What hasn’t been as widely reported is that the fine was for a number of players who continually flouted team rules.
So it goes. As the anecdotes pile up, the caricature of the coach grows. But the overriding truth of the matter is, if the Browns were 4-0 rather than 0-4, the entire image would be softened. This is the National Football League. Mangini’s nitpicking over what he believes constitutes professionalism would be a nonissue, or less of an issue, if the Browns were winning. Then, he would be seen as a disciplinarian rather than a despot.
From this story, still factual, but admittedly biased toward Mangini.
Thanks for clearing it up
Gotta love the media don’t you? They’ll jump all over a headline, but disappear once the more mundane facts come out.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I don't think anyone disappeared after the facts came out...
I heard about the facts after the original stories came out so the media is doing their job in this case.
Also, you win one or two games in a season (or for the Chiefs, three) and you’re going to get killed by the media. It’s not much different in any other city.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 16, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
the strange thing is that the media jumped on mangini from day one.
also, local reporters still write about the “$1,700 water bottle fine” as if thats all it was, so the media is clearly not reporting the facts here.
by notthatnoise on Dec 16, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Questions...
1. What has been your biggest surprise this year thus far? Good or Bad? Explain?
2. Who do you think will be your guys first draft pick this coming year? Explain?
3. If you could have one KC Chief player for your team who would it be and why?
4. What do you think will be your guys biggest problem when going into next year?
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Just one question and it’s frankly Fantasy Football related. I have Jamal Charles in a couple of leagues and I’m wondering what a realistic expectation is for him against the Browns this week.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 15, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions
The funny thing? I had a first-round bye and have Jamaal Charles in my league. I was wondering what realistic expectation you guys have for Charles against our defense, because I might have to decide between Charles and Quinton Gather in my Flex position :p
From what I’ve gathered, Charles seems good at popping a big run and is good catching the ball out of the backfield. Two weeks ago, Tomlinson, Sproles, and even the fullback Tolbert were able to run screens on us all game. If Charles has success, it might come more through the air. Combined on the ground and the air, he’ll probably have a decent fantasy day against us…unless you guys shift more attention in the gameplan to Bowe now that he’s back.
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by Chris Pokorny on Dec 15, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I'd keep Charles in the lineup
The guy has made things happen since he’s taken the role as “the guy who does everything for the Chiefs offense.”
I’m sure there will be a healthy amount of passes with Bowe back, but I’m also quite certain that Bowe will be doing his share of run blocking supporting Charles that much more in the rushing attack.
And yes, Thanks for coming over here to answer question, it’s much appreciated by you and the other folks from Dawgs by Nature… no matter how much shit I give you ;)
If you only knew...
Bowe
often lines up on the right hand side.
You guys said attack the right side of the line? Defensive or offensive? Bowe on the right with charles running right could be a good thing all day.
by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Dec 15, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
You need to attack the right side of our OL. Joe Thomas on one side, and the guy that gave up like 15 sacks in a row to Elvis Dumervil on the other. Take your pick.
Our defense will probably look to stop the run pretty hard. Eric Wright (probably covering Bowe) is a good cover guy, but not as good at supporting the run. Our LBs and DL are equally solid on either side and will probably move around a lot, so choosing a side of our D to attack probably shouldn’t be based on our front 7.
Any thoughts on what type of RB and/or running game
give you problems? Are you more susceptable to quickness on the edges or power up the middle?
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 15, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we got torched by AP (duh), Ryan Grant, Ray Rice, Matt Forte, and that one guy that used to be a Chief. If I understand those guys’ running style, they all seem to be more of the quickness guys.
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by Joel Thorman on Dec 16, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
I expect
25 touches out of JC. I guess my question is really how solid is your run D on the edges. If RBs tend to get to the corner on you, we should both expect a big game from him. If it’s teh between the tackles runners that give you fits, we might want to look elsewhere.
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by KCSatchmo on Dec 15, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks Chris.
I would expect Charles to carry the rock a little more this week. Haley has taken some criticism for not running the ball more. Most likely it will be a very balanced attack.
I haven’t seen any Browns games this year. How will the Browns attack our defense?
Hopefully, with lots of Josh Cribbs. He ran some triple option stuff out of the wildcat like Miami does with the jet sweep coming in motion, he’s lined up at WR, RB, and even thrown a pass to Quinn. He also is a pretty good blocker in space.
Our WRs aren’t that great, but I do like our RBs. We have a poor man’s Sproles in Jerome Harrison, and a young undrafted rookie in Chris Jennings, who has some speed and some size. Also, look for TE Evan Moore to work the middle of the field. Quinn seems to have some chemistry with him, and he appears to have pretty good hands.
Thanks Guys for the exchange of our two dominant forces in the NFL!
A few questions:
We seem similarly situated in the QB area, in that we are hoping a relatively inexperienced QB will become a solid contributer. What are the thoughts on Brady Quinn and can he be the QB of the future?
The Browns are clearly gaining momentum which is envious late in the season and was deomonstrated by your play against the Lions, Chargers and “W” against the Steelers. What is the reason for the improvement?
by casselreadychiefs on Dec 15, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions
Whenever I watch Brady, he does some things that are great. He uses the hard count well, he seems to know what the defense is doing, and sometimes he will throw one of those balls on a rope with pinpoint accuracy. But then, he will throw some balls really inaccurately—behind a guy, way out of reach, etc.
So I don’t know. The potential is definitely there. He really hasn’t been given an extended period of time as a starter. Now that he has had some of that, he’s definitely looked improved as you point out, and he has been able to avoid turnovers.
If I were in charge, my plan would be to stick with him, give him a public vote of confidence, let him develop some chemistry with our receivers and let him get comfortable in an offense while using our draft picks on other positions. After a year or two, hopefully we’d have a defense good enough to be consistently good, a solid running game, and an answer as to whether or not Quinn is the guy. At that point if he wasn’t, we could start drafting 1st rounders to find the franchise guy.
Thanks for stopping by a few questions for you
1. how many special teams touchdowns has your team given up this year?
2. how is your team on moving the ball on 3rd down?
3. sometimes, well most of the time, we try a trick play on first, second, and third down, and sometimes on 4th from our own 12ish, should we expect to see Cribbs take alot of direct snaps?
4. after your first win i dont know who it was against who did you play and what was the score?
thanks for answering if you get to these! Go Chiefs
Thanks!
No questions, just wanted to thank you for stopping by to answer questions and for your tactful responses. Really appreciate it!
it sounds like we r very much the same team.
should at least be a close game.
by MountainManMike on Dec 16, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions
Tell us about the development
of Kamerion Wimbley and what his future looks like. Also, what was the story of Leon Williams and where did he play in your 3-4 before he was cut?
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by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 16, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions
Williams played some both inside and outside. He was always a good athlete, but for whatever reason couldn’t make it on the field or make a whole ton of plays once he got there.
I think Wimbley is doing a pretty good job. He had a great first year, but his numbers and play have been down the past few years and I really don’t think the coaches were pushing him.
This year, his sack numbers are up (6.5 so far), and more importantly I think he is a guy who “does his job”. He is really good in coverage for a 260lber, and he is starting to do more than just try to run around the OT. The one knock on him I would have without doing a full Football Outsiders-type analysis would be his apparent lack of “splash” plays, where he just flat out dominates the opposition.
Done again, I would probably take Ngata over him, but he’s a good player.
yeah he’s an above average outside linebacker, and while his sack numbers have been down since his rookie year, he has developed into a good run stopper and is pretty decent in coverage.
as rufio said, he’s usually in the right place and does what he’s supposed to, but he doesn’t make any game-changing plays.
by notthatnoise on Dec 17, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing to do with this game, but what do you guys think about Romeo Crennel?
There’s been a lot of speculation around here (since Pioli was hired) that he’s wanted as the team’s DC next season. Most believe he was the first choice this year, but he chose to stay out of football due to health issues. Did you guys think he was a good defensive coach?
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I didn’t like the way his defenses were run, but I don’t know how much control he really had. He seemed to allow his DC to have a lot of control, and I get the feeling that Phil Savage was making those hires (or at least had a lot of input).
For a year or so we had a solid scheme under Todd Grantham. It wasn’t great, and certainly not my preference, but it was ok. Under Mel Tucker our defense was ineffective, frustrating, and never really changed. We dropped 8 and rushed 3 far too much to have a chance at being successful in the NFL. We tried the same stuff and had the same problems game after game after game.
I think Romeo could be a good DC, especially if he was paired with more of a defensive-minded hardass at HC. He was pretty soft on our guys and didn’t seem to push them too much (i.e. making Wimbley learn more than one pass rushing move) which they loved, but we didn’t.
What made Grantham's scheme better, out of curiosity? And how does Ryan call his 3-4?
Our DC, Clancy Pendergast, has creative alignments but they’re all a ruse. Pendergast runs a lot of zone, cover-two looks out of whatever he calls EXCEPT at the very moments when he should. At that point he outthinks himself and calls for some unusual safety-and-LDE blitz that gives up massive chunks of yardage.
Our tackling, however, is much better this year (and still isn’t great—what’s that tell you?).
Cribbs might have a field day on Sunday, not gonna lie.
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by go_saleaumua on Dec 19, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Grantham actually sent 4+ rushers at the QB and didn’t play the kinds of soft zones that Tucker did. His scheme wasn’t especially great, just better than Tucker’s (which seems comparable to your tackling situation: better, not necessarily good).
I love Rob Ryan. Whatever happens to our front office/coaching situation, I hope he stays. Ryan is aggressive, tough, and smart. We have been burned a few times on safety blitzes, mostly against Green Bay, as Aaron Rodgers hit someone who was wide open for a TD and said he knew exactly what was coming. We heard about some 46 concepts in camp, and I think we saw them briefly (maybe against Minnesota in week 1?) but I don’t think we’ve brought them out recently. Think Rex Ryan (Rob’s twin brother), only slightly less 1-gapping and less talent overall in terms of players.
I think currently we run a lot of MOFC coverages, with a healthy mix of fire zone blitzes. When the weather was bad against pittsburgh, we went to a lot of man, some cover-0, often blitzing. We also had a 5LB, 6DB package against pitt.
You sure called it on Cribbs!
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

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