Armanti Edwards, Why I want him and what he could do for the Chiefs.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 2:03 PM CST

#1 Athletic ability comparable to Vick with some weight added. More like a Randel El right now.

#2 Over 70% completion rate through 4yrs of starting at App St,

#3 Would give us an excellent Wildcat option next year, while being the #2 QB

#4 Has the ability to line up at WR in the slot as a Deep threat, and trick play threat.

#5 Could turn into an Elite NFL QB with proper coaching, as he is a throw first QB.

#6 stems from #1 - 5. If Cassel is not the option he could be it. and would not be a wasted draft pick either way he would fill a need of this team has.

One other reason I have been saying for three years now that we really need to get this guy and we will be sorry if we don't. I have been a fan since his freshman year. His performance against Michigan was one of the best games I have seen from a college QB. He has carried his team ever since his Freshman year winning the National Championship in both his freshman and sophmore years, and has been to the simi finals every year. I just see this player as a can't miss prospect for the Chiefs as he could fill a FEW voids not just one.

He could also have the ability to be a great KR/PR guy so I really see him as a can do it all type offensive skill player.

What is your opinion of this?

I know this is short but I think it is worthy of a fan post instead of just a shot.

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Should the Chiefs target Armanti Edwards in the draft?

yes

13 votes

no

17 votes

would like him not a must.

31 votes

either way.

2 votes

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Just to get it on the active board.

I am a huge Armanti Edwards fan and really want alot of feedback on this one.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions

are there any videos on him

by cassel4prez on Dec 14, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions

You Tube

I dont now how to copy the links.
Watch the Highlights aginst Richmond and Michigan for 2007.
However this does not do him justice even, he has a good enough arm to play in the NFL. Plus everything I have read says he is 6’1 now so maybe he is 6’0 so is Drew Brees.

I think the Mich game really shows what he could do at the next level as the level of team he was on compared to Mich.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions

I was at that game in the Big House. Edwards played well.

However, Michigan’s defense had just graduated several defensive players that went on to be high draft picks – Leon Hall, David Harris, Lamarr Woodley, Alan Branch. Many of the players that started that day for Michigan’s defense were barely seen again, and most of them didn’t or won’t play a down for NFL team.

Let me be clear – I’m a Wolverine. That ‘07 team’ at the start was one of the most overrated teams I’ve ever seen. They figured things out as the season went on, but at that time they didn’t have the players to match up with an athletic qb. It’ll be interesting to see how Edwards pans out against NFL athletes.

by DanielUM on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions

Wasn't Branch still there at that point?

Man, time flies. Anyway, that was a great performance by Edwards, and it was incredible to see them upset Michigan. I don’t think many true Maize and Blue fans felt Michigan deserved to be rated as highly as they were. However, I don’t think anyone thought Appy State would be more than beating fodder. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that Michigan’s first game ever against a non-D1 team?

by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

Nope, Branch was the 33rd pick in the '07 draft.

I’m not sure if it was their first game against a non-D1 team, but it may well have been. That was painful – my very first game at the Big House. Not a good time to be freshman at U of M.

by DanielUM on Dec 15, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

Go Blue!

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Dec 16, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions

Couple things

I like him, but not sure I’d say his athletic ability compares to Vick. His hilights look like a video game, but you do have to consider the competition some. He’s not as fast, big or strong as Vick.

If you want to run the wildcat, he’s certainly worth a look. I think it’s a stretch to say a 5’10" can turn into an elite QB. Anything is possible, but it sure doesn’t happen often.

I do like his versitility and think he could be a decent KR. Most elite PRs run sub 4.4. This guy isn’t quite that fast.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 14, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions

CBS Sportsline has him a a 7th round pick

or UDFA…

Of course, he’d be worth a long look as an undrafted free agent… but IF Sportsline is correct and he has a 7th round grade, I’d hate to see KC spend a 5th on him.

they could always trade back into the 7th to take him, like they did with O’Connell, I guess

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Dec 14, 2009 2:34 PM CST reply actions

That is what I'm proposing is using a 5th on him.

I really see him as a first day talent though. CBS usually not that accurate beyond third rd grades so who really knows.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions

true, you do never know

I just haven’t found another site with a comprehensive list.

His stock could easily rise a lot based on his combine performance

by stagdsp on Dec 14, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

It is the only one I look at so.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions

I see him going in the 6th.

He only drops because of where he played. His accuracy says he is better than Randel El but I would say that is a pretty fair comparison athleticly. His arm is better though and should give him a shot to compete for a QB job.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions

The Chiefs like versatility

Mike Vrabel, Jamal Charles et. al. If the Chiefs grab a QB coach then this is something I can see only if Pioli is willing to jettison one of the three quarterbacks or get rid of a WR which the latter we can’t afford

by His Royal Greatness on Dec 14, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions

i forgot

we have other quarterbacks.
I just get drawn into this miserable vortex of “oh god when will this end”

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Dec 14, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions

Wont need to jettison a QB

Croyle will be a free agent

by kc_radrh8r on Dec 14, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions

And Pioli likes versatility in his QBs.

Heck, Tom Brady could play WR, S, CB, LB or HB

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 16, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions

great athlete

yes, but ugh…no wildcat.

he’s a slot option for us or a return man. maybe even a luxury, when he have too many other immediate NEEDS. Not to say he wouldnt be worth a later pick given his talent, but LB, NT, S, and OL OL OL OL OL come first.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Dec 14, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions

What do you mean no wildcat

You don’t like the formation or you don’t think Edwards would be effective running it.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions

Won't speak for be cee

But personally, I’m not in love with the package. Edwards is a talent that we could use in several ways. I just think the wildcat is a gimick that marginal teams use to become slightly less marginal. Not like they’re running it in Indy, NO, Minn, NE, Pitt etc.

I like the time proven approach of getting a badass QB and not taking him off the field to run some gimmick.

Edwards is interesting to me as a WR/KR convert who can operate as the emergency 3rd string QB (like Hines Ward for example) If we also devise a couple of trick plays to utilize his arm now and then…cool. But he needs to be a genuine threat as a WR before we even think of using him any other way.

If you like him as a QB…well…we’ll just have to differ there. Sorry….good talent…seems to be a good kid…too short to play NFL QB.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 14, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions

Actually Percy Harvin has been used several times in the wild cat.

Bush has a touchdown run out of the wildcat.
Pitt has Dixon but havn’t used it to throw Defences off could be part of why they are strugling.
Indy has nobody to run the wildcat.
SD has even used it some used it for a big play just yesterday with a reverse to Rivers for a long Pass INT call.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions

Oh come on

Other than SD, none of those teams run it on a weekly basis and you know it. It’s basically just a trick play for them, SD does run it some with LT, but personally, I think it’s idiotic to take Rivers off the field to run it. The big play you speak of kept Rivers on the field. Wildcat formation? Sure. But it wasn’t their standard Wildcat package…it was a trick play.

And how can you say Indy doesn’t have anyone to run it? Any RB can run it the way Miami does. It’s not like Ronnie Brown was running around throwing passes. Addai could run it.

Wake me up when the Wildcat plays a significant role for a SuperBowl winner.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 14, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions

Ronnie Brown could probably play QB his arm is that good.

And Yes EVERY time you run wildcat the D has to expect or atleast watch out for the trick play. Most teams keep their QB on the field when they go to wildcat.
No Indy has no RB the D would expect to throw and that negates alot of what the deception of the formation is about.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions

Nope

Henne comes off the field. Rivers comes off teh field. Brees comes off teh field. Favre comes off the field. The QB is rarely on teh field for wildcat plays.

With all the Wildcat Ronnie Brown has been the QB for, he’s thrown exactly 9 passes. You don’t gameplan for Brown throwing a pass any more than you do LT or you would Addai. With a RB at QB, it’s a running formation.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 14, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions

only QB's that stay on the field is when its someone like

josh cribbs or brad smith running the wildcat. with vick on the field during wildcat mcnabb sometimes lines up at WR or goes out. It seems like its only when the QB/RB/WR/playmaker gets the snap the starting QB of the game stays on the field.

either way, im not opposed to signing this kid, why not take a QB in rounds 5-7, give Matt Cassel some fire under his nervous ass.

Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...

by CHIEFER on Dec 15, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions

satchmo-my sentiments exactly...

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Dec 14, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions

dont care for it

for the chiefs. its ok, but a passing fancy i think. Edwards would def be a good fit for it, but i just have my hopes for the chiefs that are personal. develop a goog, young pocket passer, get back to a great running game/o-line, stingy defense….

I saw the wildcat firsthand, where it was invented right here in fayetteville arkansas by gus malzahn and we ran it perfectly with felix jones and darren mcfadden. good for college, can be used to move the chains at times in the pros, but not what i personally want the chiefs to be tinkering around with.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Dec 14, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions

It is mainly a short yardage package.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions

and

we can’t afford to get any shorter than we are already

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Dec 16, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

I think there's a place for overloading with stout on offense.

Wildcat also gives you another guy who’s a threat to do something with his feet, on a team with a QB who maybe isn’t such a threat. But wildcat makes a lot of sense against a team having problems against jumbo packages. Maybe a team that’s thin on the d-line or weak in imagination in the coaching staff, when faced with a jumbo package.

by hmills110 on Dec 16, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions

We just got rid of a Wildcat QB for what most think was a 5th round pick. Why would we use a pick on the same position we traded to get the pick itself?

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
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by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 4:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

great point! rec

by stagdsp on Dec 14, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions

Because we got rid of Thigpen for Accuracy problems

He could not complete a pass in pre-season I was on the Pigpen bandwagon last year but he is NO NFL QB and NOT a good enough athlete to be considered a wildcat threat.
Edwards accuracy way better than Thigpen athleticly WAY better aswell.
Plus Thigpen could not be used effectivly at other positions witch we could do with Edwards.
You do realize he comes from a devision that has produced NFL starting QBs and has an amazing record as a starting QB with some very good Accuracy ratings.
Looks like all the tools to me.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions

We wouldn’t bring in a Wildcat QB to throw passes. Sure, they have to be accurate to a certain extent, but a Wildcat QB’s accuracy isn’t the reason they are brought to a team.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

Hell Ronnie Brown is a Wildcat "QB"

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 14, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

Let’s not talk about Ronnie Brown. He was my #2 fantasy back until he hit the IR.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions

Sry I got Ray Rice and Charles and just moved into 1st going into the playoffs next week. Stewart a Grant on the bench to.

MY SB Fantasy line-up 10 man league.
Brees
Andre Johnson
Roddy White
Jeremy Maclin/ Crabtree
Ray Rice
Charles/Grant
Vernon Davis
Kicker I switch almost every week due to match ups.
GB Defence

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions

My lineup:
Roethlisberger/E. Manning (depends on match up)
Gore
Moreno
Andre Johnson
Bowe (traded TO for him the week he was suspended, and of course TO went off)
Derek Mason
Saints/Steelers D (actually picked up the Saints D off waivers, havin a huge season points-wise)
Longwell for my K

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions

Had the same thing happen traded Rice for Crabtree when he signed.

Rice started getting hot the next week man my roster would be so stacked right now if I could take that trade back LOL.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

Ouch

I would never touch Brown in a fantasy draft without grabbing Williams to handcuff him.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 14, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions

Actually had Williams from the draft but dropped him. Stupid move.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions

that hurt.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

100% agree

My bro has Williams and when Lefty lost Brown for the season he was laughing. We are all in the playoffs though.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

What about his potential all around.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe worth a 5th to another team, and might be worth a look later on and as a UDFA, but I just don’t see us giving up a 5th for him. What do your first 5 rounds look like right now?

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions

Im just going to name position done to many mocks already

1st NT/S/
2nd NT/S/OL
2nd NT/S/OL
3rd OLB/TE/RB
4th OLB/TE/WR
5th TE/WR/QB
5th WR/QB/S
5th OL/TE
6th OL/TE
Exact GUESS unless we sign Wilfork
1st NT
2nd OL
2nd S
3rd OLB
4th RB
5th TE
5th WR
5th OL
6th QB We have to replace Croyle.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

That draft looks good to me. I’d like to see a big RB to help out in those goal line situations where we’ve had such bad problems this year.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions

absolute MUST.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

If Gerhart is somehow available in the third we might get him.

The same could be said about Dixon from Miss St, and Mathews from Fresno. I deff want one of those three.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions

you're saying they trade back into the 6th?

B/C the Chiefs don’t currently have a 6th rounder, traded it for Ndukwe/Alleman

by stagdsp on Dec 14, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions

I think we will make atleast one more trade.

Thought that was wrong, had a brain lapse but I do think we move Page, or a combination of players for another draft pick could be anywhere from third through 6th rd. I don’t think it would take much to get Page from the Chiefs. And I think we will make a move. What about Tyler is that pick included there.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions

yeah, tyler was a 5th, along with thigpen makes 3 5th rd picks

by stagdsp on Dec 14, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions

oh, and

I agree that Pioli will try and stockpile more picks… even during the draft, by trading down

by stagdsp on Dec 14, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions

you don't mention Center

unless you are assuming it generically as OL

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Dec 16, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions

Yea 2nd rd I think we need our starter.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 16, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions

The other reason

Brodie Croyle will NOT be a Chief next year he knows now that he has no chance at starting in KC he is gone period. So we will HAVE to get a backup QB. That is why we are not trading and replacing the same guy we are replacing Croyle.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe so. But If we’re just looking for a back up QB I still don’t think we use our 5th round pick.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 14, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

updated we use our 6th.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions

espn's draft coverage

I like the guy they have listed at #1.
This goes back a ways, but it always seems that a lot of the really really successful teams have game changing, athletic freaks at safety. Always.
Brown is old, maybe got a year left in him, but he definitely has game experience on major stages. He’s been there.
You draft the best safety available, have him study under brown, and have an instant impact on defense, helping shore up our major issue of completly falling apart and giving up major plays.

It’s called a safety because it keeps you…. safe from the big play. Ours…. haven’t really done that. Get someone who can, and we stay in a lot more games than we are right now.

I really think cassel wont be AWFUL when we get him a line. I really do. And when we stop dropping passes. That’d be nice too.

by g00dn1ghtm4r3 on Dec 14, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions

I agree with that I am talking about a 5th round pick with a ceiling in the sky.

Yes we get a S in the 1st or 2nd rd in my opinion and on several mocks I have us taking Berry, and Rolle or Mays and Rolle since I think for one Berry is going to play one more year for Kiffin anyway so we could even just get Mays or Rolle this year. We will upgrade our safety position no question.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions

I think those underclassmen are going to come out for fear of a rookie cap next year.

by Helmets on Dec 14, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions

Locker just confermed he is staying.

Berry already mentioned he wanted to graduate and play for Kiffin next year nobody really took him serious though but now I think he will stay for sure. Others will probably follow. I think Tebow and McCoy might have really changed how kids feel about staying that 4th year even with what happened to Bradford and Leinart.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions

yeah, Locker was a big one

I’ve seen him going #1 in some mocks… he’s turning down a TRUCKLOAD of cash.

I hope Berry doesn’t do the same

by stagdsp on Dec 14, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions

I think they will stay

Those two are almost sure to be 1-2 in the draft next year unless Ingram declares then they are still top three. Plus Locker could of fell all the way to the third to fourth rd with all the QBs comming out this year. He made the right move would you want to go to St Louis!!!!!!!!!!

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

Locker's got a different ball in mind

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/308547-jake-lockers-decision-to-return-to-washington-isnt-bad-but-its-wrong

Its way different for Berry…

by Kane on Dec 14, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions

Why the overuse of the "wildcat" term?

It seems like every time a team runs a play where someone other than the QB takes the snap, people call it wildcat. That’s not always wildcat, people!

Anyway, Edwards would be a nice experiment, even if a luxury. There are worse ways to spend a 5th-, 6th-, or 7th-round pick, like on a backup fullback or fourth-string tight end. KC has done both. Thing is, I think that kind of depth can be more easily had among UDFAs than intriguing talents like Edwards. He’s unlikely to pay off, but if he were to, the reward could be pretty nice. Certainly much more nicely than a practice squad guard.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 15, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions