For Those Cynics...
by Dono on Dec 14, 2009 4:17 AM CST
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PrintListen, I'm tired of you people telling me you're tip-toeing the line of giving up the faith in the Chiefs. It's just complete and utter bull honky. If you don't want your season tickets then give them to me, because I actually care about our team. You know why? Because it's OUR team. For those cynics, I declare one thing...
You're nothing but a bunch of fair-weather fans. If this isn't your bag and you want to hop ship, go for it because I don't care how bad the team is doing. Because they have given me so much in this life, at least I can stick by them through the thick and the thin.
Think of it this way:
You don't disown you're son when he wants to do ballet. You don't leave your wife just because she packs on a few pounds as the years go by - after all look at yourself. Finally, you don't abandon your team just because they have a couple bad seasons. It's the name of the game. There are ups and downs, memories, and things you want to forget (THANKS HERM!).
If you feel like the current regime is screwing us over, why don't you become a Lions or Browns fan because I'm sure they'd love to have you. But for us real fans, We'll always stand by the side of our team, like it's a really strange marriage entered at birth.
I grew up watching Derrick Thomas destroy, Priest Holmes pummel, and Dante Hall give the ole' shake and bake. Hell, Tony Gonzalez was the reason I played football when I was a kid. Sadly times have changed, but don't deter. Things will get better. Things have already gotten better. The only thing that matters is wins and right now we've got one more than we did last year. There's plenty of progress happening just let it take it's course. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Finally, for those cynics frequently posting about there current disfavor I state one thing... Remember everything they've done for us, and everything we have to do in return. AND QUIT POSTING YOUR WHINY RANTS, because you sound like a bunch of Rams fans - sorry to everyone in St. Louis.
If no one wants there tickets to the Browns game next week give them to me. I'm coming all the way from Ireland just to see them.
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I like this post alot.
No matter how bad the chiefs do, I’m still a dedicated fan. The extreme amount of negativity makes me sick. To be critical of a player is one thing, but to claim that we won’t be good for atleast ten years and the whole team is useless is just over the top. We are all upset with our performance, but let’s stick with our chiefs.
by NlCK on Dec 14, 2009 5:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
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Yeah, I’m ashamed that more of you KC folk weren’t at that game. I’m in Wichita. Give me your tickets for the Browns. I’d show up proudly wearing my Hali jersey to root for my team! I have bad eye sight, so if anyone has tickets on the lower level…. hint hint…
Peace
Prediction: Tamba gets 10 sacks this year.
$400 doesn't just grow on trees around here.
expensive gas.
expensive beer.
expensive food.
2 expensive tickets.
Prediction: Tamba gets 10 sacks this year.
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I’m glad you are coming from Ireland. You are a true fan. I never been to a Chief game and yet I think I’m one of the most dedicated fans out there. Money has just been tight so really haven’t saved up enough to attend a game. Although, next year I’m hoping I’ll get to see my first Chiefs game. There should be more fans like you.
Hali, Johnson, Vrable, Mays, Williams, Studebaker, Belcher
-Come Get Some-
Dono - I think you're out of line here, because ...
by claiming that anyone posting anything even remotely negative is being “whiny” and that anyone who would post anything other than a positive, glow in the dark comment about the Chiefs is a “fair weather fan” – that’s a crock of BS right there, Dono
that’s like the old “My Country Right Or Wrong” – how jingoistic to think any country, team or organization is so perfect it’s above criticism – I love my country, but when there’s something wrong I want it fixed, and problems are not fixed by ignoring them and pretending they don’t exist – problems must be addressed, and the first step in that is to acknowledge that there is a problem to begin with
perhaps you think the 2009 KC Chiefs team is perfect, but I’d disagree – and so would 99.9% of all fans who care
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I didn't read it the same way
I think he was directing it at people who are posting about how they’re ready to give up being chiefs fans.
you people telling me you’re tip-toeing the line of giving up the faith in the Chiefs
i didn’t see anything in there about not being able to criticize them. if that was the case I’d completely agree with you that this post is ridiculous, but getting angry and frustrated is a sign of caring, and i don’t see where Dono says that’s not ok.
Make sure you give The Hoff some love:
Here's to you Steve Hoffman
I don't believe...
I say anything about not being able to present pessimistic posts about the Chiefs. I’m all for constructive criticism. However, there’s a difference between criticism and just flat out crying.
Look, This all stems from a recent fanpost. The guy said he was considering discontinuing his season tickets, which he’s had for eleven years. To which I replied, Why? Why because we’re having a couple down years. Don’t blame the 2009 Chiefs; Blame Carl, Blame Herm, Blame Vermeil.
“Fire Haley, Fire Pioli” You sound like a child who can’t open his christmas presents a day early. It’s going to take time.
If you’re a true fan you don’t give up no matter what…
by Dono on Dec 14, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dono, fair enough - but it's way too late to blame Carl, Herm, Uncle Dick
I mean, you can BLAME them, but where we are RIGHT NOW is a result of Pioli and Haley, no more and no less
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
i think there have been plenty of people around here who have issues with the team...
… and bitch about the issues on the team. those arent the guys this post is directed to.
this post is directed to the people who within an hour of a loss are posting new posts about how much faith they are losing, and how the chiefs don’t deserve to claim their fanship anymore.
i agree with dono. this is all supposed to be fun. and i dont care how shitty the future may seem, it will not be like this forever. it also may not get fixed immediately. but there are a lot of people here who have a great deal of optimism about the future of this team and it’s so annoying to hear nothing but bitching from people who probably never watched a chiefs game before priest homes.
if rhymes were valiums, i'd be comfortably numb
by Chris Sembower on Dec 14, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Where was all this anger 5 years ago?
The team was getting older and worse, but there was no heat on Peterson. Fans were “optimistic” and “looking at the positive” as Peterson was allowed to run the franchise into the ground by making moves like trading a 4th round pick for a joke of a coach, among many other missteps. This year we are still paying for the mistakes of the past 5 years.
The franchise has finally been turned around, and isn’t pointing in the wrong direction for the first time in a decade. We have much better leadership at the top, from the owner and the GM. But you have to realize that those are big picture leadership roles, and their changes aren’t going to be felt for a few years. Just like the mistakes of the past didn’t really bottom us out until last year and this. The big picture decisions always take time to be really felt, as we’re seeing now.
The big picture changes are going to take time. Those of you now finally complaining are five years too late and are whining at the wrong people. You’re demanding instant change, which could’ve been accomplished with a Carl Peterson style band-aid on a gushing wound. Maybe we could’ve won a few more games this season that way, but we’d still be pointed the wrong way.
This season sucks hard, but it sucks because of the big picture mistakes that were made years ago. This is something we have to go through to get to where we’re going. The time for alarm and anger and venting was a few years ago, when the seeds for this disaster were actually planted. But most people in the fanbase were content with watching a mediocre team get older and worse and crumble slowly from the inside out. Well now it’s time to pay for that. It’s not the time to start bitching at the wrong people and demanding that THEY go, that would lead to permanent ruin.
The architects of this mess have ALREADY gone. They’ve been replaced, almost a decade too late, but finally. Anger and complaining might have actually been useful in the first part of this decade, because it might have made the necessary changes happen quicker. But now at this point, when the changes have finally been made, it’s just pointless and counterproductive.
Frankly, it’s really, really irritating to see the people who tried to shout down any criticism of the previous regime for years, as the franchise was being ruined, now finally starting to voice criticism, but way too late and at the wrong people.
by Offense of the 70s on Dec 14, 2009 9:27 AM CST reply actions
5 years ago Vermeil was still head coach ... if by "trading a 4th round pick for a joke of a coach" you mean Herm, your timeline is off
and furthermore, the ONLY good players we have RIGHT NOW are the ones that Herm brought in (Waters being the exception)
you can blame Carl for allowing the team to age quickly (and then bring in even more over the hill vets during Vermeil’s tenure) … but going back as far as you are has no bearing on where this team is right now
and if it wasn’t for Herm finally starting the true move toward youth last year, which JUST started ONW year ago, we’d be even further mired in the downward spiral … Herm is about the only reason we have half a roster of talent (Flowers, Carr, Bowe … )
the current “architects” (Pioli and Haley) have done little to improve what they inherited … Pioli in particular did nothing in the draft to improve the weakest area of the team: O-Line … he then brought in a QB who had all of one year starting (and none in college) as the “QB of the Future” yet provided him no protection and all too few tools
the other one (Haley) tossed out the OC and the system along with it, then overloaded himself with 3 jobs along with scrapping any and everything related to the old and starting new again, which meant everyone on the roster had to start over
and defensively new coaches AND a new system as well … again, that’s Pioli and Haley, not Carl, not Vermiel and certainly not Herm
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Vermeil was coach, but Peterson was the GM, and that's the point
Fans should’ve been complaining five years ago at least, because the decline of this franchise was well under way then. Peterson should’ve been on the hotseat by then, and shouldn’t have been allowed to keep his job. But there was no hotseat, the fans were content with staying around the .500 mark. So he was allowed to stay on the job way too long, and this year is a direct result of that, because the big picture moves of a GM take years to come into play.
It’s not just the draft, and it’s certainly not just one offseason of free agency, it’s the overall philosophy of the organization and the way they look at things and the way they do things. All of that had to be changed, and that takes years.
“and furthermore, the ONLY good players we have RIGHT NOW are the ones that Herm brought in (Waters being the exception)”
Herm wasn’t the GM, Peterson was, for 20 years. Herm was just an ugly symptom, the real problem was Peterson. Peterson is responsible for all of the players on the roster when he left, he was on the job forever.
As I already said, owner and GM are big picture positions. Their impact doesn’t come right away. Pioli inherited a garbage roster that had no chance to contend, so he had to start from the ground up. That’s going to take a long time. That’s the point. Peterson was given way too long by the fanbase, who now refuse to give Pioli even one year of the rebuild before bitching about all the problems that existed before Pioli got here. It’s inconsistent, unfair and counterproductive.
“but going back as far as you are has no bearing on where this team is right now”
It has EVERYTHING to do with where this team is now. The management of the past are exactly the people responsible for this team. They left the franchise in utter disarray. Pioli didn’t inherit a .500 team, he inherited a team filled with Rocky Boimans. We were about 20 good players from where we needed to be before this season, probably more. Too far away from contention to bother bringing in many free agents, because this year was going to be the rock bottom anyway, so they brought in a few vets to try and install a new mindset and lead by example for the few young players who were going to be here in the future.
We’ve started the long ugly process of bringing in new players, but there is only so much you can do at once. We’ve auditioned a bunch, and a few have worked out, other haven’t. It’s still the beginning. Because the previous regime left us so very little.
“the current "architects" (Pioli and Haley) have done little to improve what they inherited … Pioli in particular did nothing in the draft to improve the weakest area of the team: O-Line …”
There were MANY gaping holes on this roster, not just one. In fact, this was a team with virtually no strong positions. The O-line sucked, and so did the D-line, QB, linebackers, safeties, receivers, most of the running backs, pretty much everything. These problems are the fault of the previous regime. And that’s the whole point, there was WAY too much to fix to do it in one offseason. So of course there are still holes. Of course we still suck, that should’ve been obvious to everyone.
“he then brought in a QB who had all of one year starting (and none in college) as the "QB of the Future" yet provided him no protection and all too few tools”
He brought in Cassel because he knows he’ll be a good QB when he has a decent offense around him. Which he still will be, though you’d never know it from everyone overreacting around here to a horrible season that was obviously coming because of where our new GM and owner had to start from.
They brought in a good QB, which is hard to do, and started fixing the DL with the first two draft picks. They added some useful players at other spots, and found out which players can play and which can’t. Now we move on to the next offseason, add more draft picks and a few more free agents, and start to get better.
Next year will be better, and the long term future will be way better. This week to week bitching about what went wrong in each game of our rock bottom season is pointless, the management is focused on the big picture, is just starting out, and is going to take time to rebuild the utter mess they inherited. The mess that was made by Peterson.
Everyone’s angry because last season was a lost season and now this one is too, and that sucks. The entire point is: whose fault is it that last year was a lost season? Seems like a lot of you are blaming Pioli, which is just stupid.
by Offense of the 70s on Dec 14, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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Unlike some I feel that Pioli and Haley will turn it around a little quicker. I ain’t talking SB.
But NFL respectability, which would be a Damn sight better than what we had the last 3 seasons. Respectability would be a vast improvement for Faithfull Chiefs fans
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 14, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
It ain't rocket science, and they all have pretty good info of who's a good player and who's not.
Shouldn’t take long to get close to .500, the way the NFL is set up. What’s TOUGH is getting upwards of 11 wins. What’s REALLY tough is winning in the playoffs. Toughest of all is winning a playoff game or three year in and year out, which is the goal.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Take it with a grain of salt, Dono.
I’m OK with the way you feel, and I’m OK with people taking issue with how you said it.
AP is a place where some of us go when we’re PISSED at what we see on the field. I went through a phase of this, myself, after watching our BEST O-Linemen cause every positive play to be called back for either a hold or a false start. I came here and vented and I got over it.
This is a place where friends can do that, without fear of being judged. Maybe some cajolery to get ’em back on-board or stiffen their upper lip when things look bad.
Bottom line for me is that after a long string of .500 teams that occasionally overperformed their way to an early playoff exit, and a steadily declining team since DVermeil took his shot (and did his best despite being overruled by King Carl on some key acquisitions). With 3 wins in hand, we’ve reversed the tumble, and I now expect us to return to respectability in 2010 and possibly contend next year, and probably contend after that.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
I swear I had not read your post
Brothers of other mothers :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 14, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Let's hope so.
My flesh-and-blood brother’s been something of a disappointment, living off my uncomplaining nephew for years, now.
Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.
Be positive
In my opinion you are allowed to have your own opinion but remember what team your on. If your a donkey fan your at the wrong place. I love the chiefs. Even tho I haven’t seen a single one of the games because I am deployed to afghanistan( ARMY). I want the chiefs to win every sunday but what will a win do for us this year. I want the best players possible players in the up and coming draft. So do I want the chiefs to win yes but I also want the highest pick possible in the draft. The chiefs are playing for next year. GO CHIEFS
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