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A History of Quarterbacking in Kansas City



This is a history of the Chief's starting QBs, and a statistical ranking of their performances with the team. I crunched the numbers myself.

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Statistical preface: Ratings are determined by averaging the end of season  QB rating for every year the player was a starter for the Chiefs. A starter is herein defined as a QB who threw over 15 pass in at least 5 games of a season.

Todd Blackledge: 5 seasons w/ KC (1983 - 1987)

Rating 59.0

Originally from Canton, OH, Balckledge was a player that the Chiefs thought could eventually retire back to that town. This did not happen and he ends up as statistically the worst QB in Chiefs history. He is the Epic fail of Quarterback drafting.

 

Cotton Davidson: 3 seasons w/ DAL (1960 - 1962)

Rating 61.7

The first QB of our franchise, but wasn't a very good one. As it turned out getting rid of him was very beneficial. The draft pick he was traded for was used to select Buck Buchanan and his absence allowed Len Dawson to be signed. Maybe the best cut in franchise history.

 

Mike Livingston: 12 seasons w/ KC (1968 - 1979)

Rating 63.5

Livingston filled in for Dawson during the 69 Superbowl campaign, which was his only significant achievement during his long tenure with the team.

 

Steve Fuller: 4 seasons w/ KC (1979 - 1982)

Rating 66.1

The youngest QB to ever start for the Chiefs. Saw intermittent playing time and little success. His only statistical achievement is being KC's most sacked QB. As a side not, Steve Fuller happens to be my grandfather's cousin, and I share his surname.

 

Steve Bono: 3 seasons w/ KC (1994-1996)

Rating 73.8

Oh no, Bono! The Chiefs had had success in years prior by picking up 49er castoff QBs so they resorted to it again. In 1995 Bono led the Chiefs to 13 wins and got himself into the pro bowl. Maybe the pro bowl voters didn't see it, but KC fans did; he was a stinker.

 

Elvis Grbac: 4 seasons w/ KC (1997-2000)

Rating 75.9

When Elvis left the building, he and KC both were glad he was gone. He did somehow get a pro bowl berth in 2000, but his lasting legacy will be his 1998 selecion as "sexist athelete." Legend has it that the pople magazine photogrpaher was told to photograph the "cheifs quarterback," intended to be Rich Gannon. Erroneous award or not, his play was definately not sexy.

 

Tyler Thigpen: 3 seasons w/ KC ( 2007 - 2009)

Rating 76.0

A player most of us have some affection for, even if we don't think he was that good. "Bones" gave KC a fun player to watch during an otherwise abysmal 2008 season. To hell with the stats, Thigpen is a hero simply for keeping himself alive that year.

Bill Kenney: 10 seasons w/ KC (1979-1988)

Rating: 77.5

Kenney has the distinct honor of being the only Mr. Irrelivant to have ever made the pro bowl. He was a solid QB on a bad football team. Eventually he got fed up wtih loosing on  junk team and got into an individual sport: Politics. He was elected as a Republican to the MO state senate representing Lee's Summit.

 

Rich Gannon: 4 seasons w/ KC (1995 - 1998)

Rating 80.0

Before Jared Allen, if you asked a Chiefs fan which player they regret the team cutting the most, Gannon would have been the response. He substituted for, and outplayed, both Grbac and Bono but both were slotted in front of him upon their respective returns. Gannon's stellar play earned him "trade fodder" status and he was sent away to Oakland. When Gannon came into the NFL, the viking thought so little of him as a QB that they wanted him to play DB. Gannon made a carrer of proving people who aren't named john gruden wrong.

 

Dave Kreig: 2 seasons w/ KC (1991 - 1992)

Rating 80.7

Originally undrafted, he became a top end QB for the Seahawks. eventually he ended up in KC and led the team to 10 wins in 1992. He was retained in 1993 but lost the starting job to HOFer Joe Montana.

 

Steve DeBerg: 4 seasons w/ KC (1988 - 1991)

Rating 81.2

A good QB most of his carrer, he did well in a Chief's uniform.  In 1990 he threw a ludicrously low 4 INTs all season

 

Len Dawson: 14 seasons w/ DAL/KC: (1962 - 1975)

Rating 82.4

If you ask a Chief's fan who the Chief's best QB, was, you're unlikely to get a response other than Lenny Dawson. He Led the Cheifs to two superbowls, and brought the city it's only Lombardi trophy. Sometimes I wish Len had a few more snaps left in him, but I'll be content listening to him broadcast the games with Mitch Holthus.

 

Joe Montana: 2 Seasons w/ KC ( 1993 - 1994)

Rating 85.5

Considered by many the best QB in history, he wrapped up his carrer as a Chief. Both years in KC were statistically his worst since he rookie year, but he still played well enough to get the team to the AFC championship game in 1993. He is the last Chief's QB to win a playoff game.

So if we've passed Dawson and Montana, who is left to be the best Cheif's QB?

 

Trent Green: 6 seasons with KC (2001 - 2006)

Rating 86.0

Dick Vermil liked Green since he fist laid eyes on him and was intent on brigging his guy with him to KC from STL.  Green had a rough 1st year, but went on to post 4 consecutive 90+ passer rating seasons. He earned 2 pro bowl selections and holds most KC passing records.

Damon Huard: 5 seasons w/ KC

Rating 87.4

Nope, not even Trent Green ranks as the statistically best passer in KC history. That nod goes to Damon Huard. I think him far from KC's best, but he served admirably in a chaotic time for the team. Best backup maybe?

Recap

87.4 Huard

86.0 Green

85.5 Montana

82.4 Dawson

81.2 DeBerg

80.7 Kreig

80.0 Gannon

77.5 Kenney

76.0 Thigpen

75.9 Grbac

73.8 Bono

66.1 Fuller

63.5 Davidson

61.7 Blackledge

There it is, the Cheifs QB hstory by the numbers.

If you had to rank the Top 5 QB the Chiefs have ever had, how ould you rank them?

 

If you're interested, the following is a list of franchise records accomplished by Texans/Chiefs quarterbacks from 1960–2008.

[edit] Career

  • Games started, total: Len Dawson, 158 (1962–1975).[20]
  • Games played, total: Len Dawson, 182 (1962–1975).[20]
  • Games started, consecutive: Trent Green, 81 (2001–2006).[46]
  • Passing yards: Len Dawson, 28,507 (1962–1975).[22][20]
  • Touchdowns scored: Len Dawson, 237 (1962–1975).[22][20]
  • Most passes had intercepted: Len Dawson, 178 (1962–1975).[22][99]
  • Highest passer rating: Trent Green, 87.3 (2001–2006).[46][45]
  • Passing attempts: Len Dawson, 3,696 (1962–1975).[22][20]
  • Passing completions: Len Dawson, 2,115 (1962–1975).[22][20]
  • Passing completion percentage: Trent Green, 61.94 (2001–2006).[40][46]
  • Most 300-yard passing games: Trent Green, 24 (2001–2006).[40][46]
  • Regular season wins: Len Dawson, 94 (1962–1975).[22][20]
  • Times sacked (compiled since 1972): Bill Kenney, 195 (1980–1988).[99]
  • Longest pass completion: Trent Green to Marc Boerigter, 99 (December 12, 2002 vs. San Diego Chargers).[99]

[edit] Season

  • Touchdowns scored: Len Dawson, 30 (1964).[99]
  • Touchdowns scored, rookie: Steve Fuller, 6 (1979).[99]
  • Yards gained:, Trent Green, 4,591 (2004).[99]
  • Yards gained, rookie: Steve Fuller, 1,484 (1979).[99]
  • Passes had intercepted: Trent Green, 24 (2001).[99]
  • Passes had intercepted, rookie: Steve Fuller, 14 (1979).[99]
  • Fumbles: Steve Fuller, 16 (1980).[99]
  • Times sacked (compiled since 1972): Steve Fuller, 49 (1980).[99]
  • Passing attempts: Bill Kenney, 603 (1983).[99]
  • Passing completions: Trent Green, 369 (2004).[99]
  • Most 300-yard passing games: Trent Green, 8 (2003).[99]
  • Most passing attempts, rookie: Steve Fuller, 270 (1979).[99]
  • Most passing completions, rookie: Steve Fuller, 146 (1979).[99]

[edit] Game

  • First quarterback to throw and catch a touchdown pass: Tyler Thigpen (November 2, 2008 vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers).[100]
  • Youngest quarterback to start: Steve Fuller, 22 (September 16, 1979 vs. Houston Oilers).[32]
  • Oldest quarterback to start: Warren Moon, 44 (November 26, 2000 vs. San Diego Chargers).[64]
  • Touchdowns scored: Len Dawson, 6 (November 1, 1964 vs. Denver Broncos).[23][99]
  • Highest passer rating: Trent Green, 158.3 (December 12, 2002 vs. Detroit Lions).[99]
  • Passes attempted: Two players tied–Joe Montana; Steve Bono, 55 (October 9, 1994 vs. San Diego Chargers; December 12, 1994 vs. Miami Dolphins).[99]
  • Passes attempted, no interceptions: Trent Green, 47 (December 7, 2003 vs. Denver Broncos).[99]
  • Passes completed: Elvis Grbac, 39 (November 5, 2000 vs. Oakland Raiders).[99]
  • Passes completed, consecutive: Len Dawson, 16 (September 9, 1967 vs. Houston Oilers).[23][99]
  • Yards gained: Elvis Grbac, 504 (November 5, 2000 vs. Oakland Raiders).[99]
  • Times sacked: Steve Fuller, 10 (November 2, 1980 vs. Baltimore Colts).[99]
  • Most passes had intercepted: Todd Blackledge, 6 (October 20, 1985 vs. Los Angeles Rams).[99]
Poll
In your opinion, Who is the best Chiefs QB of all time?
Dawson
30 votes
Deberg
0 votes
Kenney
0 votes
Montana
5 votes
Green
9 votes
Other
1 votes

45 votes | Poll has closed

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my top 5 as follows ...

Dawson – some might call him average, but in that era … and his longevity, and 2 SBs
Green – prolific offense, not his fault D sucked
Montana – just so much fun, esp the Mon Night vs Elway, one of the best MNF ever
DeBerg – nobody, and I mean nobody, did play-action fake as well – Go Pinkie Finger!
Kenney – longevity as much as anything, solid if unspectacular, but sometimes VERY good

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Dec 12, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

I totally agree with your top 5

I would love to see DeBerg or Green come in and become the QB coach.

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

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by oldchiefsfan on Dec 12, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I will be the nit picker...

Some spell checking would have been nice, and I dont remember the Chiefs cutting Jared Allen, also hasn’t Cassel thrown 15 passes in at least 5 games, Croyle too for that matter?

Having said that my top 5 would be

Green
Dawson
Montana
DeBerg
Gannon

I only put Green first because he led the most potent offenses the Chiefs ever had, its not his fault that they didn’t win a championship. Trent was the 2nd best QB in the league for a couple years.

You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred

by averagegatsby on Dec 12, 2009 11:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

1. I am very dyslexic
2. we, did not cut jared allen, we traded him, so you’re right I used the wrong word
3. Cassel/Croyle are current QBs
4. your ranking is the same as mine would be

by SillyHatDay on Dec 13, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

I will add, that QB rating is very flawed. It does a good job of comparing, but the formula is ridiculous and it puts a pretty high premium on yards per completion, in my humble opinion completion percentage should be weighted more. Of course if you have shitty receivers who drop passes rarely will you get a good rating.

You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred

by averagegatsby on Dec 13, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

My list
  1. Dawson Super Bowls don’t lie
  2. Gannon Marty and Carl both know by now their hands would have a pair of rings on them if he would of played in the playoffs after getting us there and if that had happened he would be at the top of my list.
  3. Green
  4. Monatana
  5. DeBerg

by kcchiefstd on Dec 13, 2009 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

Its close but here's how I stacked it

1. Montana – I watched him come from behind and beat Buddy Ryan’s D in Houston and got KC to the AFC Championship game
2. Dawson – Just cause. too bad I was not old enough to watch him play. But 2 SB…!
3a. Gannon – His departure was the beginning of Carl’s collapse. It hurts until today to think he would have had all those Pro Bowls and MVP as a Chiefs instead of that evil team
3b. Green – Good all around guy and backed it up too on the field.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Dec 13, 2009 1:34 AM CST reply actions  

I'm close to what upamtn has

1 – Dawson
2 – Green
3 – DeBerg
4 – Montana
5 – Kenney

I put DeBerg ahead of Montana just because I think he helped create the “tough” demeanor of Marty’s teams. I’m not sure how Gannon makes any list since I recall him only playing in a few games as a Chief. I think he’s overrated anyway. And in the area of pre-Jared departures, I rate Donnie Edwards and Tony Richardson far ahead of Gannon.

-"A man may be a fool and not know it, but not if he is married." - H.L. Mencken

by Big Chief on Dec 13, 2009 1:58 AM CST reply actions  

yah, my thinking on Gannon was similar - he was ok when he was with us, but ...

while Gabbon was a Chief, we did … what? right … granted it wasn’t “his team” in that sense, not his fault but so it goes … perhaps he would have gone on to a stellar career with KC, then again perhaps not, so I made my list based on what these guys in WHILE PLAYING AS A CHIEF

I thought that was the criteria, otherwise I’d have had Montana above Dawson because … well … Montana was pretty good in his day, sometimes, and Warren Moon along with Dave Kreig would have rated much higher

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Dec 13, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

While I have softened my stance on Cassel I have not changed my opinion of him.

He is our Tarvaris Jackson. The weakest link. I hope I’m wrong but he has not shown the skill necessary to lead a sub par team. The Chiefs have historically had a huge weakness with regards to the QB position.

Green was great but long in the tooth. He was great for US but credit Vermeil, that was his magic at work again. Vermeil the wizard. Gannon wins like 9 straight games so Marty benches him in the playoffs against Denver. Dumbass. I still have never forgiven him for that move. Then we let him go.

If we have had an achiles heel it’s our historically lousy job of solidifying a long term pro bowl QB to lead this team. I hate to even talk about it because it’s so glaringly a major problem for this franchise. It pisses me off. Just go get a QB. Get it done. Get us a Drew brees caliber player here and get it done.

I like Cassel. I think he would be solid for Pats or the Saints or the Bengals even the Packers. But not us. I do not believe in him to be our savior yet. Again I hope I’m wrong but we will see.

Anyway, tha

by krayfish on Dec 13, 2009 8:23 AM CST reply actions  

Trent Green + Dick Vermeil = epic KC Chiefs.

We were breakin records back then, but now we breakin records of futility.

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

by NJChieffan16 on Dec 13, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

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