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Coaching staff and Cassel play against Pitt, Dall

People keep bringing up the way Cassel performed in these two games. They were his best two however we need to keep in mind that Haley knows more about those teams than any teams in the league next to Arizona maybe.

Watching those games what I see is two very good game plans where WRS were WIDE OPEN all day long. I give the coaches credit for making Cassel look decent in those games. In football the game plans are not going to be perfect MOST of the time and players have to make plays Cassel has not done that.

I'm also leaving an opening here to blame Haley for bad game plans in our other games. However I really don't believe that to be the case. What I see is in those two games there was a definate area of the defense to pick on and Cassels first reads were almost allways open in those games. Most game plans and plays you are going to have to read 2-4 players to get the ball to the right one. In the games where his first read is not open on most plays he is completly horrible and you canot expect a game plan with our roster to consistantly have our first look open.

  If we had Moss and Welker maybe they would be open most of the time witch was the case last year in NE. However we do not and our QB MUST be able to process reads efficiantly witch Cassel does not do. Our QB must also have the ability to pull the defense away from the designed area of the play witch in my opinion Cassel consistantly leads the defense to the play. He does not pump fake or look off near enough when he has there has been some sucess, but he goes right back to no deception witch is equaling NO SUCCESS. 3 & outs.

 I personally do not think the fix to this problem is on the roster. Yes we could play Croyle who does have a strong arm and usually gets rid of the ball quickly, but he overthrows alot of passes. Gutteirezz is not a starting QB. I would like to see a diff QB but I cannot really argue that we have someone better than Cassel on the roster. What I am saying is we NEED someone better. We paid him more than what he should get as he is a capable back up to fill in if the starter goes down.

Major holes to fill before we can win on a consistant basis. ILB a stud who can cover and take on blockers, NT dominant, A true franchise QB who can make good reads and has the arm to make all the throws. A power back with quick feet to compliment Charles. OLB who can rush the QB oposite of Hali, CB someone who can stop the slot WR and Big enough to cover TEs, A star Safety who can play both the pass and the run.

I would of said O-Line but honestly our O-Line has been playing good enough ball to win games. I could say WR but I want to see what we look like after Bowe returns first.

Yes it looks by that list that how can I say Cassel is the problem with all those holes. The answer is simple we could of easily won atleast three more games than we have if Matt Cassel had not lost them.

 Yes Charles has some fumbles that hurt, Yes Wade and Bradley have had some bad drops, Long had some bad drops. None of those LOST the game for us, we still had a chance but consistant poor play from our QB kept it from happening. As with any team bad QB play will bring the entire teams level of play down period and I can say without a doubt the whole team is performing worse now than they were early in the season. the reason is obvious the level of EFFORT has dropped and the ONLY reason for that is no confidence in the team leader. Cassel is making the team worse.

 Haley has not benched him therfore starting to make himself out to be a liar. You tell the team we are going to play the people who give us the best chance to win, well I said we may not have the answer on the team. If you keep your word and bench the unproductive player, whether the guy that comes in does the job better or not you show your team you mean what you say and that gaines respect. right now it (appears) we have a stuck up GM who thinks his shit don't stink. A head coach who is either being told to start Cassel or is just full of shit and doesn't mean what he says about starting the people who give us the best chance to win and really means I will start the puppets who listen to everything I say.

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I’m still waiting on your response to the 30+ catchable balls that have been dropped….

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 11, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

In reply

I said the QB constantly being late on his release and balls not being on target leads to drops. Lack of cofidence in getting the ball leads to lazy routes being slow turning to the ball so forth and so on. Cassel can be blamed for atleast half of thse however that is not exceptable and not ALL on Cassel but he is the main key to this issue.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 11, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Just read this. I’m done arguing this point. I’ll get banned again if I say what I’m thinking.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 11, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok I read it

couldn’t get to it last time you told me to read it. However this does not change my opinion. I have never said our WRs are great. I also said he is not the only problem. For me to believe that its mostly the WRs fault. I do not see it that way.

I also see are D just trying to do there jobs now. Yes Hali, Flowers and Carr are still giving it all they got. The team as a whole is not playing with passion anymore, they were at the beginning of the season.

I see this as mostly Cassels fault however if you do not that leaves one option it goes to Haley then and like I said the Chiefs get their second coach to try and win with Cassel.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually the other link I tried to post was to the one about the 37 dropped passes. So other than the receivers running bad routes and dropping a league high amount of passes, they really aren’t at fault.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 11, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like you’re puttin it all in one place.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 11, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Must we have 23 billion FanPosts calling for Cassel's head?

They’re all the same now…why can’t we just keep it in one discussion instead of creating more posts and knocking well-written posts down the list?

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

300+ posts hard to navegate through.

Plus if there is that many and getting that many responses there is OBVIOUSLY a reason and not just people don’t like Cassel. Honestly I think most people really like Cassel as a person he is just not producing period.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

kcskip's post (of which you contributed to the discussion) got bumped off the front page by this one.

And it’s still going. The conversation is good in that post, and this would’ve been a welcome addition to it. We’ve had at least four “Cassel needs to be replaced” posts in 5 days. We should rec it up and continue a conversation in one thread for tidiness…in my opinion.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

*rec one up.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, then you're doing your part on that front.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Now we're complaining

About Cassel’s good games because the coaches gameplanned well? Do we expect them to never game plan well?

by Joel Thorman on Dec 11, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Im not complaining about his good games.

I am giving the HC the props he deserves for serving up a couple of excellent game plans.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Because he is not producing.

Haley said if that was happening at ANY position he would make moves period, well he is not.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

He benched him in the last game

Because he wasn’t producing. He’s starting him in the next one because he still believes that he’s the best chance chance to win. Simple as that.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Dec 11, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

That still doesn't make Croyle better

I think part of the problem is that you believe QB can easily be switched week in and week out. That’s the one position (maybe in all of sports) that can’t be flipped all the time.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 11, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I 100% agree

You cannot expect to win while flip flopping QBs and honestly I don’t expect us to win another game this year either way as I don’t have much faith in any signal caller we got(QB). However something needs to be done to show us this as a fact. That would be give someone else a shot and see what happens. That would shut everyone up about Cassel and Croyle.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Love it. =)

Rec’d.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Croyle

Has had his chance. I don’t know why we still even discuss him.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Dec 11, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He did bench him.

Brodie didn’t really get it done, even with their second string D in a prevent.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think everyone's having a hard time dealing with the new mindset the new regime has installed

with all the secrecy, and the fact that for the most part all the people involved in this organization are only willing to accept personal responsibility, instead of pointing fingers, people are having a hard time dealing with the fact that they truly dont know where the holes in this team lie.

some of them are obvious. but others not so much. is it the Oline? is it the WRs? Gameplan?Cassel? The list goes on. Nobody around here actually knows what goes into the good, or the bad plays we watch on TV. i mean for god sakes we cant actually watch all the WRs routes develop most of the time. But i still see posts with “facts” about how the wideouts played.

i think people are comforted by being able to “label” the problem. it helps them have a clearer picture of where the team is going.

if rhymes were valiums, i'd be comfortably numb

by Chris Sembower on Dec 11, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed
i think people are comforted by being able to "label" the problem.

People want to be able to point to one thing as the problem, but this show of ineptness is a team effort. It’s not just Cassel or the O-line, or the receivers, or the fumbles, or the playcalling. It’s a sum of everything.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Dec 11, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent points.

Occasionally, you’ll get a WR isolation in replay, but the camera angles shown for “drama” definitely don’t serve a guy like me as well, who wants to see the whole field all the time.

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 11, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I will say this...

…sitting in the stands last Sunday (admittedly, my only game this year…but that’s what happens when you live 3 hours away, I suppose), Denver’s secondary was locked down on our receivers. I can’t count the number of times I said “…and no one is open…” while Cassel was scrambling in the pocket.

Too many are jumping to the conclusion that he’s holding onto the ball too long while watching him on TV. It’s rare that you get that “down the field” perspective, so you’ve got to take what CBS/FOX shows with a grain of salt. I’m not saying he’s blameless, but I was surprised as to what I’d seen on TV versus what I saw live. It’s a completely different analysis.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 12, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

That’s what I’ve been trying to say KP. There is much more that contributes to “Happy Feet” than just a nervous QB.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Dec 12, 2009 2:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Yet somehow he found open receivers for some big strikes down the field.

Says a lot for him. I assumed with the success on 3rd and 16, for example, that they were just ganging up on the line and leaving the WRs single-covered.

I appreciate the eyes-on-the-field perspective, KP.

Wasn’t that long ago, behind a porous O-Line, that you could make a lot of the same criticisms of Donovan McNabb as are being bandied about with regard to Cassel. My biggest one is when he either fails to evade a paltry 3-man rush, or forces the ball into coverage early against a paltry 3-man rush. Saw a lot of that out of McNabb at one point in his career, but NOW you hear the pundits talking about how McNabb must have eyes in the back of his head. We’re seeing a fair amount of that out of Cassel, right now, but I think it’s more a product of defense dictating to offense, and Cassel being conditioned to get it out quickly, expecting the imminent sack.

Another thing about forcing the ball into coverage is that MANY of the better QBs in this league are paired with dominant WRs, who allow the QB to just throw it up for grabs, with a high probability of success – either making the completion or getting a favorable interference call (they have no business getting).

This is often the difference in tight games. Just being able to execute better at WR, and questionable passes become genius. And I’ll tell you right now that Chris Chambers isn’t the guy who’s going to turn those passes into genius. He’s not nearly as aggressive going after the ball as his opposite number on defense. Underthrown likely to be picked. Up for grabs likely to be picked. At or above his shoulders, the basket catch is an incompletion.

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 14, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

McNabb is my favorite College QB of all time. Cannot be compared to Cassel.

Wether Cassel gets better or not. They are way to differant of QBs to be compared.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 14, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

He can and, in fact, WAS compared to Cassel.

The point I’m making is that very very good QBs start breaking down and looking ordinary, when the protections suck and the running game is struggling. Philly fans were calling for Donovan’s head at one point, and NONE of it was his fault. I’m recommending withholding judgement until there are more pieces in place. Throwing Cassel under the bus at this point is missing the point.

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 18, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, that took a lot of effort. You are wrong, but thanks for giving us points to consider.
People keep bringing up the way Cassel performed in these two games.

How bout Jacksonville?, 262 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

In the games where his first read is not open on most plays he is completly horrible

So you talked to Haley about what his first read was supposed to be on all the plays?

He does not pump fake

Chambers might tell you otherwise

but he goes right back to no deception

Pope might tell you otherwise

I would of said O-Line but honestly our O-Line has been playing good enough ball to win games. I could say WR but I want to see what we look like after Bowe returns first.

But Cassel get’s all the blame

Yes it looks by that list that how can I say Cassel is the problem with all those holes. The answer is simple we could of easily won atleast three more games than we have if Matt Cassel had not lost them.

Because Cassel misses so many tackles and can’t catch balls that hit him in the hands

the level of EFFORT has dropped and the ONLY reason for that is no confidence in the team leader.

Somebody better tell Tamba his level of effort has dropped because that dude has a motor.

So you’re saying Vrabel needs to go to get a “pass rusher” opposite of Tamba?

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 11, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Wow

That seems to be all that I can really say about this one. OK research will show one thing and then personal opinion is this entire post! This just makes me even happier to know that Haley is our HC and not some person who just sits there and watches the game on television.

Cassel, as I have said before, does seem to lose his downfield vision when he starts to scramble. BUT for the 1.2 seconds that that guy gets behind the “O-line that has played well enough the win bal games” he has his head downfield to try and find someone open.

AND the idea that you think that the drops dont lose you games is… well I cant even think of a word to go with that logic. When your wide outs are dropping TD balls, then YES is does lose you ball games!

You can talk to anyone that has real football knowledge and they will tell you that Cassel is one of the more prepared QB’s in the league… Ok well that was I guess just my personal opinion. But one thing that I am sure of is that when Cassel came in here I had not heard of any player that had taken the type of time and dedication to trying to make this team as good as possible. The problem is, he is only ONE of the 11 on offense. He CANNOT do it all himself!

OUT!

by readANDgold58 on Dec 11, 2009 2:18 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

At least this time no one is stating that Croyle is better than Cassel

Here’s what Baltimore Beatdown had to say about Croyle after week one:

most of Brodie Croyle’s throws were short and had more YAC that air under them, averaging under six yards per attempt.

The defense confused and pressured Croyle all day and he seemed to fail to utilize his biggest target in Dwayne Bowe until later in the game.

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 11, 2009 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

For one I don't want to start talking about Croyle on this post.

Second I have not said one thing about how he prepares. you know just like Iverson said YOUR TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE and being PREPARED. well preparation leads to LUCK, but that does not tell me anything. The NFL is about SUNDAYS and what can you do when it COUNTS.

Yes he has his head downfield looking at ONE WR. leading the d to where he wants to go. The biggest differanc I have seen the last two weeks. Is how defenses are playing Cassel as sonnas they read pass they are moving with his eyes and it has been effective stopping him therfore conclusion. He does not draw the D away from the play he leads them to it and teams are starting to get that and play accordingly.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I watched his head turn and cycle through the reads several times on Sunday.

And you must have some incredible seats to see Cassel’s eyes.

Part of the reason the o-line has played better these past two weeks is that teams are dropping more guys into coverage and blitzing less. More guys in coverage means less room for your QB to throw…especially when our #1 WR is out.

Also doesn’t hurt two of the best in the league in Cromartie and Bailey got to line up opposite Chambers and make our less-than-stellar options (Wade, Bradley, Pope, and Long) beat them. It was good defensive coordinating made easier by Bowe being out. Most NFL QB’s would struggle given the predicament.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I have seen him trying to go thru his reads he just does not find them most of the time

But on the contrary of how can you see his eyes if the Helmet is not moving your not moving the D. I will say Cassel does a few things good but most things he does have flaws that are hard to get rid of. Jittery feet in the pocket does not improve easily. Vision really can’t be taught. Accuracy has a way to go. Arm strength might be the hardest thing for a QB to improve and all those are weaknesses of Cassels.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I referred to his head turning, not his eyes moving.

I’ve watched him look off several safeties this year, find the route, and make the pass.

Yes, he’s got some inadequacies, but he’s proven to his coach that he’s the best on the roster. That’s the long and short of it.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

I admitted the answer in my opinion is not on the roster but making a move would help keep our shaky new foundation from falling apart before the house is even built..

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, you did.

However, I’m of the opinion that our foundation is so shaky a new QB wouldn’t fix it. I think we’ve got plenty more building to do on both sides of the ball before we try replacing that position. At least then, there will be a optimum platform for which they can succeed.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I submit to your comment

But I would like to hear that from the coaching staff then I could quit pondering wether Cassel has the tools to be ELITE and consentrate on our other needs. While expecting Cassel to manage games better while we build the foundation for a franchise QB.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Our staff would never say something like that.

If your boss told you that you were being used to set up the place so that when the next guy rolls in, you can leave…would you work hard?

When (if) we get to that point where we’ve upgraded the tools to a manageable point on both sides of the ball, (and if he’s still starting for us) we can evaluate him a little bit better.

Next year will tell us a lot…and yeah, that’s sad to hear, but unfortunately we’re kind of sad as a whole right now.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree the staff won't do that.

I do think it would be the right move though. I think it would make him understand better that he is not playing good enough and with his past he would only work harder to not lose a job he has worked so long to finally get. It might be just what Cassel needs to start managing the game.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Wade 'n' Long were getting open fairly often.

Pass rush blocked some sight lines, and, as others have said, open receivers were flat-out dropping balls.

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 11, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

One thing I've started to notice

Is that Cassel isn’t able to utilize timing routes with our WR’s, which is critical. Yes, he has his downfalls, but I put this more on the receivers, especially with Chambers’ recent comments.

He’s forced to watch the receivers to make sure they go where they’re supposed to because he can’t trust them. He should be able to throw the ball to a spot and know that they’ll be there (and actually catch it).

If he throws it where he’s supposed to the receiver may or may not be there. If the receiver is there he probably won’t catch it. If he waits for the receiver to make sure he’s doing his job, the defense is already closing in on the sack. Add the handful of errant throws, good coverage, and unlucky plays that any QB will experience and his job is looking damn near impossible.

Now a lot of this can probably be attributed to the fact that the training camp playbook got scrapped and that pretty much all the receivers have been brought in mid-season. I think that a full offseason with some continuity will do these guys wonders. If they can fix the drops next year’s offense (and Cassel by extension) will look better by leaps and bounds.

It’s not time to give up on him yet. He’s already proved (with NE) that he can be an above average QB if he’s got the right tools around him. Give him an OC, QB coach, full offseason with one playbook, and receivers on the same page and he’ll be fine.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Dec 11, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Croyle is better than Cassel.

He’s better in all fazes. More pocket presence, better arm, more intelligent, more alert, reads and understands defenses better, handles the ball better, and his hand-offs are smoother.

Croyle is more mature and Haley is wrong when he says Cassel gives us the best chance to win. Haley is in denial. He hopes, wants, prays Cassel can do it, but he can’t. Cassel can’t get over the hump. He looks way out of whack out there fumbling around. He struggles with every play. Everybody can see it except Haley. All the sports media sees it and are starting to talk about what a bust Cassel is. Cassel is the biggest disappointment in the NFL this year.

by choirboy on Dec 11, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Wins?

Remind me again how many wins Croyle has with his time with the Chiefs?

Things of importance to me:
1)God
2)Family
3)Chiefs
4)Marine Corps

by RodeoChief on Dec 11, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

could mean big problems...

 with Denver every year. McDaniels knows Cassels strengths and weaknesses, he brought him up as a backup and called plays for him as a starter in NE. This could be a big problem if he cannot change his tendencies. I like Cassel, and i believe we have to give him the proper support around him in order to win. We survived a Grbac era, we can give him a year or two and see what happens. The Denver situation concerns me, because McDaniels went for the throat of somebody by tryin to run up the score….

by Sea of RED on Dec 11, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

It's a problem this year

But I think it will be better down the line. McD is familiar with the Cassel of last year. Over time, Matt will develop his skills and clean up his weaknesses. The addition of a QB coach will help this out quite a bit, especially with being able to make in-game adjustments to what the defense is doing.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Dec 11, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

.....the dead horse is laying on the ground

….and everybody is taking a turn with the bat.

Give it up. You can keep on cryin’ and sighin’ but nothings gonna change until “fate” makes a way.

by kcskip on Dec 11, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

That is terrible.

I really hope you don’t believe that. He is a Chief, whether you like it or not. I’d never wish one of our guys an injury.

"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris

by KaloPhoenix on Dec 11, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That's right

If you don’t like him, don’t wish him harm, wish that he learns how to use the ol’ twittter machine to discuss how he’s “cak’n it patna.”

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 11, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the guy himself.

He carries himself well and says the right things most of the time. I also was hurt alittle buy his comment about the empty seats yesterday. I really don’t want anyone to get injured i really wish he wuld just come out and light it up so I could quit talking trash on a team that I really love and have watched my ENTIRE life.
Trust me what I hate most right now is it has been really painfull on SUNDAYS.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Now that I agree with - And REC

I just still have hope that Matt can do it. It’ been a rough year to be a Chiefs fan, that’s for sure!

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I missed the empty seat comment

What was said?

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 11, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

It should be

He should be figuring out how to win, not looking into the stands to see how many people are there.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Dec 11, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree but you would think he would be VERY concerned.

Fans are what make the NFL what it is. Also If the stands are half empty it really hurts sells of that #7 jersey.
I can see where with that comment he really ment I have to study and prepare harder than ever right now and cannot concern myself with that issue insted of just saying it is the least of my concerns. with a comment like that he would not of rubed anyone the wrong way. The way he left it made you wonder.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't seem like the type of guy to give the fans a one fingered mile high salute

I think you are right, that he didn’t say it exactly how he meant it. He always seems like a very likeable guy when I have seen interviews.

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Dec 11, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

What nobody WANTS to believe is...

Cassel and Haley are basically rookies. Cassel never had his own team and neither has Haley. I coached little league baseball, and i can tell you. I will always remember those kids. Haley for sure WILL be a Chief for life, unless things just go straight down the crapper. Cassel i think will win everyone over with more weapons and protection.

by Sea of RED on Dec 11, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

And then all today's nay-sayers will be marveling at how well he's developed, when it'll be more a product of TEAM upgrades.

At least that’s the most likely scenario, assuming they DO fix the surrounding talent deficits over time.

Does anyone remember how TERRIBLE Terry Bradshaw looked early in his career? Cassel’s never looked nearly as bad.

You want him to take more risks? Get him receivers who will win the up-for-grabs contests more consistently. And I doubt that Chambers is the answer in that regard, and that’s why he’s a Chief and not a Charger. I’m more concerned right now about sinking serious coin into HIM, when despite his ability to make the open catches and be a monster with the ball, he is not particularly dominant when it comes to getting the ball at the highest point or coming back for the ball when it’s underthrown.

I’m more concerned about those issues than a QB who never throws it up for grabs like Brett Favre has done his whole career and numerous QBs around the league do, because their WRs WIN those battles!

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 11, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

He does not pump fake or look off near enough

this is just wrong. I have watched every play of every game. The dude pump fakes almost every time he throws the ball. Trying to get his shitty receivers open.

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by Patrick Allen on Dec 11, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Really?

compared to Kurt Warner, Favre, Brees, Mannings, Rothlisberger. You really thinks he pump fakes alot. I have to disagree totally and am sure he is in the bottom 3rd of the league in amount of Pump Fakes.

by kcchiefstd on Dec 11, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

It's getting to the point...

Where we’re criticizing his pump faking? I understand your argument…I disagree with it, but I understand it. I just think there’s way too many moving parts to scoot your QB outta there after 11 games, especially when he’s demonstrated he’s a winner on a good team (which not all QBs have).

And showing you can win with a good team like New England IS important because isn’t that kinda the plan….to put good players on the field eventually?

by Joel Thorman on Dec 11, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeppers.

And you have to complete some passes or make some decent runs to move the chains and get more than 2 opportunities per quarter to showcase your marvelous pump-faking ability!

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 11, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

So

I start reading, figuring after I get through the ‘blah, blah, blah’ there will be some actual nugget of insight or worthwhile analysis.

Instead I get to the end and my first thought is ‘should have gone the the “TL;DR” feeling I had’. Nothing substantive, nothing informative. And while I do appreciate the effort you put into writing this up, I wish I had that 5 minutes of my life back.

The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.

by Druful on Dec 11, 2009 5:46 PM CST reply actions  

It's not science

Cassel just bungles, fumbles and stumbles. He can’t figure it out quick enough to make the right choice. He’s not mentally able to disseminate the information from his brain to his arm. Physically he’s strong but he can’t handle the mental part. Hell never be any good.

by choirboy on Dec 11, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions  

If you're going to FanPost, a little advice from a tie-straightener.

“Would of” is not “Would’ve.”

When you’re using the contraction of “would have” it does not become “would of” which is without real meaning. Please use the contraction “would’ve.” It’d make your Posts a little easier to swallow.

Too much Arrowhead Pride in me to let this go. But this one has been proliferating all over AP, lately, and your Post had numerous instances. And they make a poor impression on our guests.

Prediction for '09: Chiefs are looking like a .500 team, especially considering Denver's inattention to D-Line, Chokeland's disarray, and a San Diego team that looks like it's on the decline. With a weak schedule, Chiefs steal a few and win between 7 and 9 games, and if .500 or better, will contend for supremacy in a weak division.

by hmills110 on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions  

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