The Driver Of The "Fire Haley" Bandwagon Offers You A Deal...With The Devil
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:06 PM CST
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"I'm just like Parcells or Belichick...only without the winning."
via www.everyjoe.com
Let's face it, Chiefs fans...it's been a long and miserable season so far. The Chiefs are 1-7, the team just cut ties with Larry "2.7" Johnson (and ate his disgusting contract) after seven miserable performances and yet another embarassing off-field incident from the jerkoff, our team has stayed firmly mired in the crapper on both offense and defense, we don't even have Tony G to root for any more and the season's only halfway over. In short...the 2009 football season has been one gi-normous suckfest.
As many of you know I, UCrawford, started up the "Fire Todd Haley" bandwagon last week after the locker room sign incident. The reasons for this are many and have been discussed ad nauseum on this site. Haley dumped Bernard Pollard for Mike Brown, he kept playing 2.7 until 2.7 finally threw him under the bus on a worldwide social networking site, he fired Chan Gailey two weeks before the season and scrapped the offense only to watch his new offense fail miserably, he hired Clancy Pendergast, he's almost as inept a game manager as Herm, he makes pathetic motivational signs, Todd is an asshole name, yadda, yadda, yadda...
Ultimately, the two biggest reasons why I gave up on Todd Haley weren't any of the oh-so-numerous errors he's made but the two simple observations that a) there isn't a heck of a lot that anyone can point to that Haley's done that has shown positive results while he's been here, and b) the man is easily one of the most unsympathetic individuals I've ever seen coach over two decades of watching pro football. Because, let's face it...while it's fairly easy to give a guy who's a bad coach but a nice guy multiple chances to turn it around (Herm), or to overlook the distasteful personality of someone who wins games (Belichick), there's really not a hell of a lot of motivation to give a complete jerk who constantly screws up, loses games, and points fingers at everyone but himself much of a chance. So yes...after watching Haley do his best Eric Mangini/Mike Nolan impersonation for seven games, I decided after those seven games that the guy is a clueless douche who is the Chiefs' biggest impediment to success and that he has to go.
But, was I too hasty, and how does this translate into an offer for you?
After a discussion with dedicated AP poster Lucasjr5 tonight, I'm willing to entertain the idea that I was indeed too quick to reach a verdict on Haley's failures as the Chiefs' head coach. After all, it's only been eight games and even the great Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 in his first season as head coach of the Cowboys before ultimately taking them to two consecutive Super Bowl wins (even if they did only beat the Buffalo Bills...the village bicycle of Super Bowl teams). So maybe I'm wrong about Haley. Point is, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong...under certain conditions.
Now, as all of you should know, next week is Raiders week. And as many of you know, I despise the Raiders above all other franchises in the NFL. More than the Cowboys, more than that pathetic excuse for a football team on the other side of Missouri, more than the self-important Broncos (burn in hell, Elway)...even more than the Missouri Tigers (yes, I hate, hate, hate the Tigers, go KU, Chase Daniel(s) was a choker). The Raiders are the most laughable excuse for a franchise in the NFL and yet they've somehow managed to win three Super Bowls in my lifetime while my beloved Chiefs have yet to win one. So yes...I hate the Raiders with the white hot intensity of a sun going supernova. And now the Raiders look to be at their abysmal bottom. They've got a fat, lazy QB who can't hit a target past his tight end and doesn't care, a head coach who's 2.7's brother from another mother, a defense that ranks in the bottom 10 of the NFL, an offense that ranks in the bottom 3, and an senile, egotistical, backstabber of an owner who apparently thinks it's still the 1970s.
So...my offer is this. If Todd Haley can get the Chiefs to beat the Oakland Raiders this Sunday by a touchdown or more (and it must be a touchdown or more), I will admit that I was far too hasty in my assessment of Haley and will retract my stated desire to see him fired immediately (preferably out of a cannon)...assuming there are sufficient takers for my wager. And, let's admit it, there's no reason for there not to be tons of takers out there for this bet because I know how many of you love to see me eat my words.
There is, however, a catch. If the Chiefs lose to the Raiders by a touchdown or more I expect everyone who takes my bet to join me immediately upon the "Fire Todd Haley" bandwagon. Loudly and proudly. Because, let's admit it...a Chiefs coach who gets beaten by a TD or more by the 2009 Oakland Raiders and gets swept by them for the season doesn't deserve another year on the job, no matter how new he is or how little talent his team has. There are dudes off the street (some of them homeless or drunks) who can probably take one out of two games against Tom Cable and Al Davis with this squad. So there's no excuse for Parcells Jr. to not be able to take one...by at least a touchdown.
So, AP readers who still support Todd Haley...do you take the devil's bargain with the driver of the "Fire Todd Haley" bandwagon and bet on your head coach to beat the hated Raiders, possibly risking your soul as a Chiefs fan in the process? Or do you decline the wager, thereby admitting to yourselves that you have so little faith in Haley that you can't even believe that he's able to beat the Raiders? Either way, the odds appear stacked in my favor.
I look forward to your replies, and to getting much more company upon my bandwagon in the very near future.
(evil laughter ensues)
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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I am already on your side
and REC’D.
Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
"All praise Chiefus."
You're Already On The "Fire Todd Haley" Bandwagon?
Outstanding…that’s two overlords. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I'm not taking the bet
If by some miracle Haley wins by more than a TD this week, I’m jumping in the drivers seat of that bus!!!! Todd Haley doesn’t get a pass for beating this year’s Oakland team after all the shit he’s done!!!! If the Raiders were undefeated and this was the last game of the year, I’d think about it. But this is a miserable Raider team. His ABSOLUTE LOWEST hurdle to keep his job should be winning this game… not his highest hurdle!!!!
Todd Haley makes one bad decision after another and doesn’t deserve another season. Period. Jimmy Johnson pulled off an amazing trade that loaded his team up for Super Bowl runs. Todd Haley benches, waives, or trades any and all talent on this team.
He’s a joke of a leader and a joke of a coach.
GO BACK TO COACHING GOLF!!!!! ya douche
Fair Enough
If I lose the bet, texaschief can drive the bandwagon. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Note:
Thats texaschief, NOT
Texas Chief
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I for one
am glad that you pointed that out. I was trying to figure out what the heck was going on! Appreciate the clarification.
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
For the record,
I’ve had this login name a year and 2 months longer than you have. I created it for this board and the Texas Rangers board.
If you want to stop the confusion, feel free to change.
While your username is older on SB Nation,
Texas Chief was created on AP before yours, and he has been a very active member and solid contributor.
That isn’t a shot at you, but only noting that “Texas Chief” was known/established here before yours.
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
and
no one needs to change.
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
Texas is a big state…plenty of room for both of you both there and on AP. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
"Except for you and me, son."
“We don’t take kindly to you not taking kindly around these parts.”
:)
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 13, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Im not asking anyone to change
….but, I’ve been around on Arrowhead Pride longer than texaschief and I would guess that most of the regular readers at AHP brobably associate Texas Chief with some of the posts and comments I’ve made over time. I have a reputation to uphold around here =P
Neither of us needs to change the username. They aren’t the same name. I just wanted to make sure no one thought I was flippy-flopping on my opnion of the continued progress of the team/rebuild.
Texas is plenty big to have 2,000,0000 Chiefs fans in it, yet alone 2.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 14, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I can't Imagine
bq.anyone confusing a Texas Chief post with someone else:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 14, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
That was damn near
a Mexican stand-off :-\
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
i think that's the point of picking this game
he should win this one. so if he gets blown out in a game that is his to lose that makes you question his ablity to coach. but in the same light we stink and haven’t blown anyone out so if he’s able to finnly do that, it puts into question wether or not we jumped to rashly to send him to the guillotine.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
That Was My Thought On It
All kidding aside, if he can’t beat an awful Raiders team this year (something even Herm was able to accomplish) then how much better than Herm can the guy be? And frankly, I’m not predisposed to give a guy as bad as Herm two more years. If he’s that bad of a coach, he just needs to go.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
And I would also like to add,
that this isn’t about optimism v. pessimism.
We have to be realistic. The team is horrible, the play calling is horrible, the roster management has been horrible. We are statistically worse than last year on both offense and defense.
Those are facts. A few more sacks, but more yards allowed per game, is not an improvement. Gaining large amounts of yardage and points solely in garbage time is not an improvement.
I wrote a FanPost about how the Defense was not improving after Week 4, and we have been getting even worse.
This isn’t about “Kool-Aid Drinkers” or “Haters” it is about being sane and acknowledging that, so far this year, the team is worse than last year.
We used to be able to acknowledge facts such as these here. Now, I guess we are being too “negative” by stating statistical fact that we have a very serious problem with this team and management.
Refusing to admit the obvious problems does not negate them. Pretending that consistent, and historical, failure is the “patient, and right path,” is even worse.
The argument that 1 year turn arounds are a fluke is equally as fallible as are that sticking with sunk costs in the face of obvious failure.
Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
He Wasn't A Good Deep Passer And Occasionally He'd Put A Throw Into The Third Deck
But Thigpen was a hell of a lot of fun to watch and I kind of miss the guy. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
BONES!
I actually like Cassel more though.. for the record.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
UCrawford is the Devil
And take my word from experience, he doesn’t make deals he knows he won’t win. ;)
I also think Haley is way in over his head and have said from the first time that he was mentioned as a candidate for the job that he was a complete flavor of the month pick. Who ever heard of Todd Haley before the Cardinals got in the NFC Championship game? No one. Then all the sudden he was some kind of offensive genius because he had a multi-MVP winning QB and two of the five best WRs in the game.
Despite that, I can’t see a scenario where Haley gets fired.
Why?
Ego.
There is no possible way Scott Pioli admits his first ever coaching hire was a giant cluster-uck and that the entire first season under his command was aborted. He would have been better off keeping Herm Edwards for another season to see if his rebuilding method would bear any fruit if that were the case because then he would have had someone to blame when things went bad.
If he fires Haley and admits he had no clue what he was doing, he instantly loses all credibility and good will he brought with him from New England and is instantly on the hot seat.
Every other coach on the roster might get fired, but I can’t see Pioli’s ego letting him admit he was wrong about Haley.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So
You’re on the “Fire Haley” bandwagon then, DJ?
(which is, of course, not a prediction that Haley will get fired…only that we wish he’d get fired).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I don't know if I wish he would get fired as much as
I wish they had never hired him.
I definately do not want K.C. to become a coaching merry go round with a different coach every year. Part of me still hopes that once Haley is humbled enough, that a nugget of a good coach could still be in there to grow.
I just highly doubt it. :)
For the sake of this team
I hope you are as right about Haley as you were about Connor Barth
:-)
Honestly
So do I. But I don’t see it. I’ve dealt with a lot of people who can’t accept responsibility for their actions over my life. Very few of them ever change.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
DId you listen to his presser today? How can you say he's not taking responsibility?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm Not In KC
I’m in Arizona. So no, I didn’t hear it.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
It was along the lines of "the losses fall on me."
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
Empty Words
He said the same thing at the start of the year too when he fired Gailey.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
What does a coach have to say to accept responsibility in your book?
He’s saying they fall on him. Do you expect him to resign?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
At This Point
I’d say delegating the QB coach job to one of his assistants would be a big step in the right direction. Until he gives up at least one of his fulltime jobs, he’s not really accepting responsibility because he’s not fixing what is probably his greatest problem.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I don't know if he's given it up
but I do remember a shot of Cassel sitting with what I assume was another coach looking at pictures of the last drive at one point in this week’s game.
they were doing
that almost every time that the defense was on the field from what I saw but I have no idea who it was.
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
HIV, how about "I'm in over my head, there's too much to do as both HC and OC and therefore I am handing OC duties over to (Insert Name Here) immediately"
that’s all he needs to say … until then, all he’s saying is no more than CoachSpeak aka BS
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
We need an OC
I agree, but don’t you think installing a new coordinator at this point in the season is just going to confuse players even more? If we are going to go down that path, we need to wait until the off season.
Bingo
An OC will be brought in this offseason. Makes no sense to try to redesign the offense midseason.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
why wait? after all, Haley fired/demoted Chan Gailey and threw out the entire playbook with less than 2 wks before opening game
… had he done that during the OTSs or the very beginning of training camp, ok … but to scrap all of it, not just new plays but also new schemes, new protection packages (yeah those have worked out well), new terminology (see? now we can FOOL people cuz they don’t know what we’re doing! it’s a secret, you know!!!) …
no, we’ve already GONE down that path … and the current OC has his head so far up his playbook he can’t see the gameclock
the current HC drones on and on about PLAYER accountability, and has NO problem firing and demoting PLAYERS … he needs to hold himself to the same standards
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Yeah, agreed
I never understood that – I have thought Haley has always taken responsibility. At least once a week he says he’s gotta get better at something, and the coaches have to get better.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 9, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Joel, he SAYS "oh yeah, we gotta improve and I'm responsible" but ...
… he’s still calling the plays, he still has too much to do and think about at gametime, he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again … out of arrogance as much as anything …
claiming responsibility changes nothing until he demotes himself from the OC role … he’s willing to drop players like hot potatos, he needs to hold himself to the SAME standards
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Herm Said That Too
“I did a bad job coaching you”
He didn’t actually change anything he did until his butt was on the chopping block and he had Gailey install the Arrowspread out of desperation.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I think it would be awesome if Haley put Chan Gailey in as the OC ...
oh wait …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
believe it or not I actually typed that entire comment
by myself, even!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
solari is always an option...
another great coach destroyed by herm’s conservatism…okay so maybe thats a bit (or a lot) far but i wonder how much herm destroyed his coaching career.
by MountainManMike on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 AM CST up reply actions
wait ... Pioli *has* credibility? when did THAT happen???
and why didn’t anyone TELL me!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
He brought it with him from New England
Did you know he used to be with the Patriots organization? I hear he was the moderating influence that kept Bill Bellichick from making bad decisions….
I Don't Know If Pioli Would Lose All Credibility By Firing Haley, Though
I wouldn’t think he was an idiot for doing it if the team completely falls apart on Haley. Frankly, I’d have respect for the guy for having the balls to admit a decision wasn’t working out and pulling the plug sooner rather than later.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I dunno
I get the feeling that whoever the next coach Pioli brought in would be just as big a douche.
Remember Pioli came here to make a name for himself. He had everything else he could ever want in New England. I don’t forsee him bringing in someone who is already competent to steal the glory for building the team from him.
Of Course He Would Lose All Credibility By Firing Haley
Biggest decision of his career and he blew it so bad the guy had to be fired halfway through the year? When Zorn, Mangini et al are still hanging on? When most talking heads on TV will agree that mid-season firings are always a disaster?
He would be pegged immediately as the worse GM in the league by fans and media everywhere. And there would be talk about the bad judgment of the young owner. They point out that the coaching staff will be turned over AGAIN, that likely there will be EVEN MORE roster churning in the offseason and next year, lots of articles about Cassel and his contract and whether the team is still behind him, etc. etc.
It would make the Raiders look smart by comparison.
Well, He Wouldn't Lose Credibility With Me Anyway
And everyone knows that Dan Snyder is the worst GM in the league. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
how has pioli blown the biggest decision in his life?
i’m not saying that you have to like haley but there’s abslutely no way to tell that pioli mesed up in hireing him yet. all you have is speculation and weak arguments about him being a duche. i use some of the common complants as examples.
1.) haley hasn’t produce much confidence in him as the team shows little to no improment and is only 1-7 at the moment. Arguement: Jimmy Johnson only took the cowboys to 1-15 in his first season and showed so little improvement that all of Dallas was calling for his head. i’m not saying that he’s the next incanation of jimmy, but that it’s too early to tell as it took jimmy more then a whole season to turn his team around.
2.) haley is a horrible micromanaging bastard and has taken on way too much responsablity. Arguement: this is your strongest arguement but even it is a little weak. i’ve been in several mangagement possions and when you take over a program that was in utter shambles it takes a long time before you start to see the fruits of your labors. as i said this is your stongest arguement, as even i think he might have bitten off more then he can chew, but i do beleive that he should be given aleast till the end of the season to prove whether his managment is going to work
3.) haley is an egotistical bastard that treats his players badly. Arguement: this is by far the weakest arguement because being a bastard does not make you a bad coach. for all thoes that say you have to start winning before you can be a bastard, all someone has to do is point out the prema-scowling hoody in NE. again not saying haley is his next incanation, but again it’s too early to tell.
obviously most people with a stance in this are pretty soild, so anything short of haley winning every game the rest of the season thoes opinions will probably not change. i’m just comenting on how all the “haley is the anti-christ”ers spout there propoganda like it’s fact that haley is a bad coach when everything is based on the asumption that haley will never turn this team around or that he’ll never change and learn from his mistakes. pretty weak arguements if you ask me.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
I think my standards have been pretty fair for him..
I’ll give him a pass for one more year if he can just manage to win three games… just because of that damned 22 players off the street comment
Herm
I still wished they let ol Hermie finish out his final year to see what he could put together because I guarantee you Haley would still be available after this year had he not been hired this year.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Down with Herm
Booo!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Nate, one thing though ... I'd have insisted Herm hire a "sideline assistant" for game days
… and he’d have had to toss Gun out the door anyway …
but the rest of it, yeah … Chan still OC, run the Wildcat or whatever he wants … another GOOD draft … who knows, coulda been something fun
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I will say
Herm did bring in and draft decent talent for the most part. I thought he had something going there, maybe maybe not.
My only concern is say we did not hire Haley and let herm finish his contract would we still have Croyle and Thiggy as QBs or would we still have gotten Cassel and Vrabel?
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
As Long As We Had Pioli
We were going to get Cassel and Vrabel. We offered the best deal for them and New England had to dump them.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I thought so.
I just wasn’t positive wether or not it would of been the same with different head coach philosophies and what not. But yea, either which way we have Cassel and Vrabel.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
No
Herm was really high on Ball State QB Nate Davis who would of come in and Battled Croyle for starting position. Herm also would not have went for Vrabel because he was true to his youth movement he would of used the 1st round pick on the OL or LB and the same for the second. Then probably went for a reach on Nate Davis and took him in the third after that all I know is the focus was going to be OL.
people say all the ego stuff about Pioli
but know one in this town knows him. he doesnt give interviews and his is not visible. He said when he came here that Haley was going to be the face of the chiefs and he would do all the behind the scenes work. I think the whole ego argument might be unwarrented
maybe that's Pioli's ego right there ... he's "above" answering to the press or anyone else (other than Hunt)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
it's funny
because everyone that knows him says he’s a down to earth, hard working guy. Someone here from Philly said he went to the Chiefs fan bar there just to meet with the fans. Never heard of CP doing anything like that. The only person in the public I’ve seen say anything bad about him is Whitlock, and he has his own agenda.
He also stated more than once in the month or so after he was hired that he would be in the background for the most part, because he believed that the coach should be the face of the franchise, not the GM.
He probably does have some sort of ego…but I doubt there’s been a GM or Head Coach in the history of the NFL who hasn’t.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Actually
Someone here posted a comment last year about a run-in with Peterson and how gracious and courteous he was to them.
Most of the GMs or coaches we rip on are not bad people personally…nor do I think most of us try to say otherwise. The criticisms and frustrations are usually about job performance first and foremost (even the criticisms about personal style are usually based in job performance). For all we know Todd Haley might be the nicest guy in the world away from his job. But there are quite a few here who would probably agree that in how he goes about his business on the job the man’s kind of a douche, and my criticisms of that style are usually based in the results that approach doesn’t seem to get.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Most GMs Or Head Coaches In The NFL = Ego
It kind of goes hand-in-hand.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
oh please ... Nick, you don't REALLY believe that, do you? seriously?
I’m surprised he hasn’t come out yet claiming he, not Belichick, is the “real genius” of the Patriots …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
REC'd
and I WILL take your deal. There is no way I can support someone who loses to the raiders twice a season. Oh and shooting Haley out of a cannon sounds like a fun halftime show.
...no more explicit signature...
That Is Officially One Candidate For The Bandwagon
Or one who may save my soul as a Chiefs fan. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
No Predictions On This One
Because frankly I have no clue what will happen. And even if I thought the Raiders would beat us, I’d never say it. I really hate that team.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Firing Haley solves nothing, he's not the reason we can't run, block, or cover.
On another note, I’ll be at the Raiders game. Second road game of the season for me.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
i agree but...
what about the untimely draw plays that seem to F us everytime
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The great Dicky V says...
a team can NEVER run enough draw plays. I’d like to see them bring an OC in this offseason but I still think that Haley will make a good NFL coach.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
yanno, Haley just might make a good NFL coach someday ...
… but he isn’t now, not even close to close … he’s an arrogant schmuck
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
i'm starting to believe you never listen to his press conferences or
watch his demeanor with his players the past several weeks. he’s getting better but you’re stuck on an article that whitlock wrote back in feb/march. he may never pan out as a great head coach but i don’t think he’s “an arrogant schmuck”
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So Are You Taking My Bet, HIV?
C’mon man…it’s against the Raiders. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Just My Pride
No cash or anything like that. Just a public retraction of my belief that Haley should be fired if he wins by a TD or more against Oakland. And you’d just have to join me on the “Fire Haley” bandwagon if you lose.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I can't get on the bandwagon because I don't think any coaches fate should come down to one game.
Even if its against the Raiders. I think the team looks much better than it did last year despite having even less of an o-line (thanks to Waters creeping on washed up). This team still reeks of Herm and its going to take more than one year to wash that stank off.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll give you this...
I’ll be at the Raiders game decked out in Chiefs red. My bro will be flossing the Marcus Allen jersey. Thats putting more than my pride on the line for this team, thats putting my well being.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Props For That
Stay out of the way of shivs. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Marcus Allen
Will that be a Chiefs jersey or a Raiders jersey?
hiring Haley apparantly SOLVED nothing ...
… and one has to wonder if the reason we “can’t run, block or cover” is because we WON’T run, block or cover … ie, have the players tossed Haley under the bus already, long ago and far away … or, did they just drop it on his head when they got back from training camp?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
CONSPIRACY THEORY!
Yeah, I’m sure the players tossed in the towel before the season started.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
hmmm this would make an awsome movie
better call my agent.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
try not to get shanked man
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
rec'd. Crawford ... and you know, I'm sorely tempted to take the bet, except that I honestly don't think haley SHOULD be fired
yet
give him the rest of the season and THEN can his sorry a$$ … and the OC, too! but see, I’ve been ON the bandwagon waiting for ya since they hired the guy to begin with …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
hire whitlock...
and then fire him just for the heck of it.
by MountainManMike on Nov 11, 2009 3:39 AM CST up reply actions
So You're Declining The Bet?
Just keep in mind…by declining you’re stating a more or less complete lack of faith in Haley. And why wouldn’t you want a coach like that to get fired? :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Crawford, you know for a fact I have ZERO faith in Haley
… thing is, I have even LESS faith in the Raiders, and if the Raiders manage to LOSE, then “WE” have to stop the bandwagon (at least for a week or two) and I want it to keep rolling
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Not If They Lose By A TD Or Less
In that case, it’ll be a push. Same as if we lose by a TD or less.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
The Tally So Far
Betting For The Bandwagon:
DTR
Betting Against The Bandwagon:
GanjaChief
C’mon man…there’s got to be more takers out here than this. Who’s willing to step up and put their soul as a fan up for a wager?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
go ahead, my soul is cheap ...
I’ll take the bet
(that’s right, I see your WR and raise you 2 RBs)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
For Or Against The Bandwagon?
Just to be clear.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
ummmmmmmm yeah ... I guess against (you know this is killing me) otherwise what's the point?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Gotcha
That’s now you, GanjaChief and Lucasjr5 betting against me and DTR on my side.
Two more against and I’ll consider this a done deal. I think five betting against me is a reasonable cutoff.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I will be the first to admit
that I berated Herm on here during his 3 years for far less idiocy than Haley has displayed.
I like Haley, I want him to succeed, but his actions/ decision making / play calling have already exceeded the idiocy of Herm.
He is a 1st year HC, I will give him more time to learn from his mistakes. However, I have reached the point that he has to prove he can learn from his mistakes.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd And obviously I take the bet... Also..
Add that if the Raiders win by a TD then we add a “Fire Todd Haley Bandwagon” or something of that affect (your choice), BUT if the Chiefs win by a TD you have to take your Fire Haley sig off for the rest of the season.
Also, you writing down those who take the bet?
I am in....
Just on the Raider’s part…but I will obviously make another condition….it has to be something in his range of responsibility….Players mess up sometimes, it is easy to tell. And if they lose the game, I am willing to give the coach a little longer. But, if it is play-calling, management and so on…im out.
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
Sorry, But No Deal On That
Player errors fall under coaching (somewhat).
I’m only willing to concede flukish luck if it results in a margin of victory of less than a TD.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Problem is
if Andy Reid can coach the Eagles to a loss against the Raiders, they might accidentally beat the Chiefs again as well. I think that the Chiefs will triumph in a big way but that oblong ball can take some funny bounces so much as I’d like to take your bet, I’ll have to abstain at this time.
There Are No Accidents In Football
If Haley can’t coach this team enough to beat the stinking Raiders, then what good is he?
And the Raiders shot their upset wad on the Eagles game. They should have nothing left for the rest of the year. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Since nothing real will will happen after this game one way or another
wouldn’t either side of this bet celebrate a shallow victory? I don’t see the point of this bet other than to satisfy ones ….ego? lol
None of us can lose our Chiefs fan soul because of one game no matter who we are playing. I did get to see the Super Bowl years and before. I was watching on Sunday afternoon when Ben Davidson rolled over Len Dawson then got his ass kicked by Otis Taylor. I hate the Raiders as much as anyone and its the game I don’t like to lose.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Well
Technically any time we’re proven right or wrong on these message boards it’s a shallow victory because none of us work for the Chiefs or have any control over what happens (that we know of). But we still post anyway because it’s a hell of a lot more entertaining than keeping quiet during a long miserable season. :)
None of us can lose our Chiefs fan soul because of one game no matter who we are playing.
Killjoy. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
you know I still love you like a brother :) lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I Know
I’ll still have your soul, though. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
shutting UC's fire haley now talk up is victory enough,,,
I think the Chiefs are going to get their offense going next week and win by more than a TD. If they lose horribly to the raiders twice in one season I’m willing to take another look at if Haley was a good hire. Cause I’ll be that pissed.
And That's Fair Enough
Frankly, I don’t even care if I lose. So far putting together this bet is the most fun I’ve had all season. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I'm thinking this
is a well-thought out way of getting yourself off of the Fire Haley bandwagon while saving face & credibility with your followers! And if by some as yet unknown strange bounce should lead to Oakland winning again, you’ve gained a couple more followers.
You have put yourself into a totally win/win situation! Well played! :)
o if he loses hes gonna hear about it... i'll yell at him every time he tries to bash haley again..
i’ll be like “Remember the Raiders!” Haley can’t be all bad!
Like DJ Said
I don’t take bets if I think there’s no way I win. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
That was one of my all-time favorite moments
of watching the Chiefs, seeing Otis stand up for his QB!
Agree, Lanier
But I am not going to refuse to admit how horrid this team has been this year…in ways even Harm’s teams weren’t.
Love you, man!
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
i'm all for removing Haley as head coach
he may be a good OC but he’s in a little over his head as a head coach. I would like to see Cowher (HC) and Crennel (DC) brought in next year. That is if Pioli and and Clark are serious about being a championship team
So Are You Betting On This One
You can take my side of the bet (be on the Fire Haley Bandwagon) or go against the bandwagon.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
not sure i see the point of firing him until the end of the season
but I have seen zero improvement from week 1 or even last year for that matter. If it stays that way i am on the fire him bandwagon (at the end of the season though)
So You're Out On This Bet Then?
No worries if you are. It’s just for fun anyway (said the devil, coveting your soul). :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
regardless of the outcome this weekend
Jesus Christ owns my soul so the devil..i mean UC can never truly have it :p
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Your sig would suggest otherwise
j/k :)
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
But He Doesn't Own Your Chiefs Fan Soul
And that’s the only one I’m taking. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I'll meet you out on the pitch, Ole Scratch
It’s not that I’m a huge supporter of Haley because I do think he is an unconscionable d-bag. There are however a couple of things I was hoping to see from this regime before I gave up.
- I’d like to see Haley show us that he’s had his fill of humble pie and stop dropping f-bombs at his players from the sideline. He needs to shoulder the blame for a team that has been poorly prepared each week and should play the best players and knock off this bullshit of demoting his stars to prove he craps bigger than they do. I want to see game planning based on the strengths of his players rather than force-feeding the system to the players for the sake of the system.
- I’d like to see him get out of pre-season mode and settle on a depth-chart, injuries aside, of course. I’d like to see some consistency with the lineup so we can, at the very least see if we can develop some chemistry.
- I’d like to see some improvement in a few areas. I don’t particularly care what areas, but I want to see it. So far, I’m of the opinion that we’ve been incredibly inconsistent in virtually every every aspect of the team’s play.
- At the end of the year, I’d like to see a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. I want a DC who specializes in running a true 3-4 if that’s the direction we’re chosing to go. I’d like to see a real OC and a real QB coach.
Although this is a reasonable set of expectations, it appears to be a real stretch. So I’m willing to take you up on your offer. If this Haley let team fucks this Raider game up, I’ll loudly call for the coach’s head!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Outstanding
Knew I could count on you, Buck’O. :)
So that’s Leaf, Buck’O, GanjaChief, upamtn, and Lucasjr betting against me (with Woodman being wishy-washy about jumping in) and DTR on my side.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Gotta part ways with you on this one, Buck'O.
Still like Haley. Still like Pioli. I’m seeing progress in the “roster churning” they’ve been doing since August. I think when you’re losing, unless you have total faith in the talent you have, rather than a demoralizing sense that the Chiefs are a slow team, maybe stability is desirable. But they’re still in roster-churning mode.
I’ve noticed Haley is less forgiving of mental errors than physical shortcomings. What I see is a guy who’s honest about what he thinks. I keep coming back to Anquan Boldin on this. Haley LIKES guys who are as passionate as he is about winning. There were no hard feelings after a sideline incident that APers are still bringing up.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I'm with you on Pioli. I still like him
I think the Haley/Bolden fiasco illustrated an ideal circumstance. If you look at just about every stop in Haley’s career, the circumstance was pretty much ideal. Good organizations, good coaching staff, good players. It’s completely different in KC. His brashness is front and center and he’s struggling with it. Confrontation with one player on a good team, on the cusp of a playoff berth carries far less risk than does berating numerous players, week in and week out on a terrible team.
I watched the Steelers and Donks tonight and I have to say, the overall effort of both teams was greater by orders of magnitude compared to anything I’ve seen from the Chiefs. If it’s a matter of motivation, I think Haley’s missing the boat. On top of that, I think Haley’s made some serious errors in judgment (Firing Galey, taking on OC and QB coaching roles) and he’s paying for it. He’s stretched so thin he hasn’t been able to effectively game-plan, game-manage or play call to this point.
I know some here have defended that he’s taken responsibility by stating that it ultimately falls on him because he’s coach. But I for one, have never felt that such statements have ever been genuine on his part and I’ve always come away with the feeling that he just thinks his players aren’t working hard and it’s on them.
That being said, I don’t wanna sound too much like I’m in agreement with UCrawford just yet. :) I think these are all correctable shortcomings and there’s enough regular season left to start moving in the right direction.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Your argument is with Pioli, Haley's boss
Pioli had to sign off on firing CG, not hiring another OC or QB coach, etc. For all I know Pioli was an instigator of the firing, not a ‘silent partner.’ You assume that all these things that were done, that Haley’s attitude and decisions, are things that somehow Pioli did not want to do, but for some reason had to go along with Haley. PIoli is the boss, responsibility is his as well. Why do you still like PIoli if these are all problems and he hasn’t done even a minimal amount of due diligence and corrected them?
Your argument is with Pioli, Haley's boss
Pioli had to sign off on firing CG, not hiring another OC or QB coach, etc. For all I know Pioli was an instigator of the firing, not a ‘silent partner.’ You assume that all these things that were done, that Haley’s attitude and decisions, are things that somehow Pioli did not want to do, but for some reason had to go along with Haley. PIoli is the boss, responsibility is his as well. Why do you still like PIoli if these are all problems and he hasn’t done even a minimal amount of due diligence and corrected them?
No dude
My argument is with Haley. Thanks for playing
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I'm talking about coach's deficiencies here
It’s Haley’s staff. The only think I’ll say about Pioli is shame on him for not intervening. Otherwise, Pioli has kept a fresh supply of raw meat for this grinder. Although we’re not seeing a bunch of GREAT talent, Haley gets tired of one and Pioli sends him another.
Don’t make Pioli out to be an all-mighty tyrant here. Tyrant maybe, but he’s not so dumb as to make the call to fire Gailey and tell his rookie HC to take on the OC and QBC roles on top of everything else. More like, “Sure Todd, if you think you can handle it, go for it. But if you FAIL, it’s your ass.”
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Besides...
based on your comments to others on this post, I’d say YOUR argument is with Pioli
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
What's remarkable about the Boldin-Haley "incident"
is that to Haley it’s only natural that a guy with his heart in the game is gonna get worked up, and he understands it. In a way, it shows a brand of respect for his players that nobody seems to get. Hard to explain.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
While I won't disagree with that
at the same time, I think this year shows that Haley may be a bit one dimensional in that he’s thus far failed to fully adapt to his current situation. Maybe he’s starting to temper his approach, it’s just too early to tell. Interacting with one or two players in that manner is fine if the situation warrants it. Interacting with the team as a whole on a consistent basis in that manner leaves much to be desired. I hope… I HOPE he’s getting the gist of it and he’s not jeopardizing the teams buy-in.
Now, about all of his other warts…
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Nice comment at the end of the Jax game about how they were still playing hard.
The color guy said Haley has to be pleased with that. Most coaches’ players would’ve give up on him by this point.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
stop dropping f-bombs at his players from the sideline
Has he been doing that lately? I can’t remember seeing it.
I know this week he yelled at a ref. “Get the F-ing ball down!” I believe is what he said (around the 2 minute warning I think), but I don’t remember any shots of him yelling at players lately.
Well then maybe he's improving. :)
I think it would be a much better sign if we didn’t see him dropping any f-bombs at anyone from the sideline. Whether he wants to believe it or not, part of being a HC is being the front-man for the team. When he acts like a d-bag on camera, he’s acting like a d-bag in red and gold.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
That's a pretty good point.
I’m crude in private, but pretty well-behaved in public.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
UC i'll take that bet
i’ve been one of your most outspoken opponents when it comes to haley because i think it’s too early to tell if one is going to learn from there mistakes. but as you said, if you lose to this raiders team, that’s bad and i’ll be first in line with my torch and pitchfork.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
there we go...
dont worry leaf, the Chiefs are gonna take the raiders down and UC will eat his words!
damn skippy
i live to be the thorn in UC’s side :p
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
I'm Off To Bed
Anyone else who wants to take me up on my bet (either with me or against me) post it in a reply to this comment.
So far I’ve got five guys going against me (Leaf, Buck’O, upamtn, GanjaChief, and LucasJr), one with me (DTR) and one on the fence (Woodman) who’s trying to lay down all sorts of silly conditions. :)
If I got that wrong, just let me know. Thanks and talk to you guys tomorrow.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Have a good one,
this was good for several belly laughs! Thanks,
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
Glad You Liked It
Felt like we needed a friendly in-house competition to liven spirits a bit. It’s been a miserable season so far so why not make a game of it?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
You are so weak.
Talk a big game and then go take a nap?
That sounds like a Haley strategy. :)
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
You know what...
I’m with you UC. We are going up against probably one of the worst starting QBs in nfl history. There is no reason we should loose or get sweeped by the filthy raiders. If Haley can’t coach his team to ATLEAST ONE WIN over the raiders then how is he suppose to coach a win over any other team?
Count me with you UC
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
So
You’re betting on the bandwagon or against the bandwagon?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
On the Bandwagon
That is if Haley can’t get KC to win by 7 points or more he should be gone.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
i think thats what we all are betting on...
the choice is.. do you dump the bandwagon if the Chiefs beat down the raiders
I Can't Speak For Nate And DTR
Up to them how they want to go with it. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
If we look like an actual team AND "beat down the raiders"
then, yes.
“beat down the raiders” would intimate more than a measly 7 points though.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
well you deny the conditions woodman tried to put on it...
i say he has to agree with the terms to dump the bandwagon should you guys lose… which i think is fair. But i suppose you kinda lead the bandwagon so you can handle shutting it down for the people betting on your side.
His Method Was Too Unquantifiable
I got what he was saying, but he was overthinking it…I’m just going off of score.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
ya its kind of weird...
if they bet with you they are saying that they are on the bandwagon and will hop off if we take the raiders out by 7+. So just assume they are on the bandwagon if they are betting with you.
And don’t take Fire Haley Now completely literally… I think UC means after this season. Nobody in the NFL is getting fired in the middle of the season (this season) unless he sleeps with the owners daughter or something… haha
I'd Be Okay With Them Firing Him Now
Haley puts me in a foul mood and I’d rather see Chan Gailey finish out the season in charge. After the season would also be acceptable, though. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
not sold
on Haley. havent been from the moment he spoke at his press conference when hired. But…not a lot of time i dont think, to put together a great staff, and he is obviously learning a lot this year and i say clancy will be replaced, a good offensive coordinator will be brought in, and who knows who else. The tempers, and coaching with his heart and not his mind needs corrected for sure, game management for sure needs fixin, but i like the discipline and get good or get gone attitude. At least another year or two i say. Who knows, he might end up being ok….
by be cee on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you, rec'd
Sad as it is to say, it wouldn’t surprise me if they found a way to lose this game. But even if that’s the case, I’m still not ready to give up on Haley just yet. I have a feeling that he can turn this boat around (or at least I just hope to hell he can b/c I don’t want to start over again).
I don’t know if this is the case, but I think alot of the problems come from:
1. New schemes
2. Lack of talent for those schemes
3. Lack of OC and QB coach
Yes, #3 is definitely Haley’s fault, but as you said he had a short off-season to work with. This isn’t truly his staff or his team yet. If this crap continues after Haley has a full offseason to get his shit together then I’m on the bandwagon definitely.
Just not quite yet. So take your deal and shove it Devil!! :)
P.S. – great idea for a post UC. Rec’d.
by TheScootness on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Plus he's still a rookie coach
He needs at least one full season to figure out what’s going on. Yeah, McDaniels has had success, but I think alot of that is a great DC, some luck, and a pretty good team left by Shanny. Ours was a pile of rubble.
by TheScootness on Nov 9, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Scoot, that's precisely why Haley should NOT be the OC this year ...
should never have taken it on to begin with … now that he has, and he CLAIMS he’s “accountable” he needs to man up to it being overwhelming and step away from that OC job
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
Agreed
I think he’ll be OK as a HC but he really needs to step down from OC and QB coach.
by TheScootness on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
You guys seem to think the offense's struggles are because Haley's taken on too much.
Totally cart-before-the-horse.
- I’m not convinced he’s overburdened. I think he’s a pro who can manage his time intelligently.
- He’s OC because the offense sucked, and he stepped up to the plate. A risky move, because the struggles of the offense can’t be blamed on a subordinate, which would’ve been the easy way to go.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Same here.
Not sold totally on him, yet, but he gets the benefit of the doubt, and there are quite a few things I like about him that are longer-term success sorts of things. They’re still “struggling right,” if that makes sense.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I'm in on this bet
I’ll be surprised if we win this game at all, let alone by a touchdown.
So You're Taking My Side Of The Bet
You’re on the Fire Haley bandwagon right now?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Not a taker.
I’m not going to let a bet precipitate my reasoning.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
So, the Chiefs' stats for the year on offense and defense hold no sway?
:)
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Okay
So that’s DTR, Nate and (I think) Sam with me. Scootness, Leaf, Buck’O, upamtn, GanjaChief, and LucasJr against me.
Oh, and hmills sitting on the sidelines, being a wuss. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
i wouldn't really call this a for or against bet
more if the chiefs lose then your bandwagon gets bigger. if the chiefs win then the haley bandwagon gets bigger.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Wishing...
I just wish I could go to bed one night and wake up to the future; that being a winning elite chiefs team that would be consistant and a superbowl contender year after year.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
Agreed.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
I've lowered my standards...
I just want the Chiefs to win the Superbowl once before I die. :-(
I am 23. I DON’T THINK I’M ASKING FOR TO MUCH!
I Was 18 When I First Said That
Back in 1989. Could be a wait.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
My grandfather...
My grandfather (83) enjoyed the good old times of the early successfull chiefs. Wish I could :/
My all-time wish is to see a Superbowl Winning Chiefs team before I die…
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
Although...
I do have a long time possibly to wait for that to happen, seeing as I’m 16.
How about let us all here on AP see the Chiefs win one before we die…
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
I was there ...
well, not at the SB game(s) but a huge fan by the time they won SB IV … was a kid in the early 60’s and started paying real attention to it circa 66 and SB I
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
another thing
i dont care for is how pioli and haley seemingly try to be just like parcells. parcells isnt coaching anymore. its a new era, and guys like mike tomlin are having the success. “players coaches” if you will. not sure if the head games and tempers are gonna get it done, this day and age. will it produce more wins? probably. will it get us past the first round of the playoffs? maybe. superbowl? im thinking no…
Tomlin inherited a system in place.
I like his style, too. But don’t think he doesn’t throw darts in his own way.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Im about an inch away from the bandwagon...
to fire his ass, but i will say one thing…I dont think Haley has a whole lot of say so on the players that Pioli is bringing in….All he wants to do is bring in ex Patriots, which means he is a little bit too egotistical. As we have seen, not many of the ex patriots have worked out too well….Cassel and Vrable,,,and Vrable is old and ready to retire, and the jury is still out on Cassel.
BS
Bobby Wade, Leonard Pope, or Lance Long ring a bell? Don’t be fooled into thinking Haley doesn’t have direct say over who is on this team or not.
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Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
thats my point exactly...
those players are not ex patriots and they have been productive….well maybe not pope but….
BS again
Who exactly knows where the initial and final decisions come from on looking at these guys off the street and then signing them onto the team? Is it Pioli or is it Haley or is it both or is the Man in the Moon also involved?
Agree that they aren’t all just ex-Pats, they’ve gone through guys will different pedigrees. Remember Amani Toomer?
Actually They've Followed A Very Consistent Pattern That Hasn't Worked
They generally go one of two routes on player acquisitions:
1) Younger “prospect” players that come almost exclusively from the Patriots, Dolphins or Cardinals.
2) Older “name” players that come from around the league (who are almost invariably past their prime).
That shows a worrying trend to me that they’re not able to evaluate young talent outside of the Belichick/Parcells farm system and that they’re not able to figure out when an old player with a big name is no longer capable of performing at an acceptable level in the NFL.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
OK i will clarify...
Everybody knows that when the Pats drop a player, the Chiefs are usually first in line to get him. Since Pioli came from the Pats I am only assuming that those choices come from him. Not many of those players have worked out. I will add the players from Miami to piolis list , pioli is his son in law. Yes, some of thes players are starting for us, but, that doesnt mean they are “working out”.
The players that have direct ties to Haley, have worked out. Because they know his system.
Like Parcels once said..“if you want me to do the cookin, i should be able to buy the groceries”…..or something along those lines.
I just think Pioli is hand picking players for the system in NE…We are not NE and Haley is no Bill Belichick.
Which Haley Players Have Worked Out?
Lance Long? The dude’s getting less than 9 yards per reception…that’s worse than Jeff Webb. Monty Beisel? He’s not here anymore. The TEs? All terrible. And the same can be said of pretty much anyone else…the team’s bottom 10 in both offense and defense. I don’t see any difference between the production we get from Haley players and what we get from Pioli players. They pretty much all stink.
Actually, Vrabel’s doing okay so Pioli’s probably got an edge.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
VERY disappointed with the TEs.
Get somebody who can block.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Lance Long has seen action in two games..
and he was productive in both games and really shows potential. In two games he has caught more passes than J webb did in a season. I may be mistaken, but didnt Wade play under Haley? Wade is at least holding his own returning punts and is a decent reciever. I figured Pope would at least be able to come in and take a starting job from our other shit TEs….I dont know whats going on there….
Ahhh fuck it, who am I kidding…..they all suck…..ima shut up now!….lol
Wade made a similar early splash.
Opposing teams seemed to quiet him right down. Maybe it was just a matter of seeing film of him and knowing how to frustrate him.
Long’s a bit more problematical for defenses, I think.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Nice bet UC
You give a maybe to your haste in judging Haley, anyone else has to denounce their loyalty to the chiefs. Very nice.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
I'm on Haleys side right now..
Just saying, if the raiders beat us by more than 7 I will admit to UC that Haley maybe doesn’t really know what he is doing. The Raiders are one of the most miserable franchises in the NFL. If we have fallen that low (I may have my rose colored glasses on, but I don’t think we are that bad yet) then I will stop defending Haley like I have been doing every week.
If UC loses I will make sure he doesn’t say a negative word about Haley for the rest of the season without the retort “At least he beat the Raiders.” And he will have to disband the bandwagon.
As long as we can beat the Raiders, things can’t really be that bad.
Saying you don’t approve of Haleys coaching style, or think he is doing a bad job doesn’t mean you are not loyal to the Chiefs. I am sure UC and most of the people on his side of the fence are among the most loyal Chiefs fans and have been for many years.
All that being said…
I like Haley. He is the complete opposite of Herm who bugged the hell out of me. He makes players work, and I think he will get better at his coaching duties. However, if we can’t even beat the Raiders once this season then that is just sad.
If its a loss by a fg then I can grudgingly get over it. But if the Chiefs lose by 10 points to the Raiders I’ll be right with UC saying “Listen, we lost twice to the RAIDERS… Yah the RAIDERS.” “Their franchise QB is Interception Russel.”
But being the optimist I am, I am confident with no LJ this time we are taking the Raiders down and UC will put his torch and pitchfork back in the barn where it belongs.
I;ve got the gas can filled up for those torches ... just in case
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
probably starting to turn
to varnish by now, isn’t it? : )
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa
I didn’t say I won’t say a negative word about Haley…just that I’ll retract my demand he be fired.
It’s a friendly bet, not a lobotomy. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
fair enough
i think most of our opinions are pretty entrenched. this just helps open our minds a bit
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
Best thing Haley has done for this team
was get it into shape. The worst thing he’s done for it is coached it.
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Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 PM CST reply actions
We'll split the difference with you
Perhaps a “prop” bet?
In a rare showing of earnest football debatery the PARADE will pay homage to this fine post with this thought and proposition.
The Haley/Pioli “process” (damn you GMDM for that word) is fair more buy-in-able than the ever spiraling Herm secondary-firstdary philosophy. We’d say the constant tinkering and bandaid ripping is slightly more reassuring than the “well they need to gel through some more losses” edwards method.
That said, this season smacks of thinking you can take franchise which needed to be dissolved and given an expansion team treatment and use traditional means to slowly turn it over. We like the new parts, but they don’t fit with the old parts AT ALL, AT ALL, like it really looks like the good players are almost playing for a different team.
So we don’t even know where to start with the o-line, and the drops are bordering on baffling (“bordering” because Bowe when he does catch the ball now seems to have superhuman abilities). But the offense “could” potentially work in a year or two.
However, the defense? Good god, what the hell man? We mean, what the hell? We dismantled a decent secondary for this? What the hell?
So here is your proposition. (Admittedly, the signs blew our mind with a level of unholy douchetasticness that really we can’t explain in good conscious.) But the Haley experiment is not d.o.a. until he doesn’t win 2 more games (entirely possible, but Herm losing trash time end of season games was impressively bad.)
So instead…
We will join the “Fire ‘the shit out of’ Clancy Pendergast Bandwagon” if we lose this game by any margin.
We mean, Herm’s game plan would be to win this one by three and we’ve only beaten an NFC team that has an owner with the beneficial influence of swine flu. So hoping for more than a squeaker seems unrealistic, but good god is this defense good at shooting ourselves in the foot.
Haley seems to have some talent – He found a Kinkos, Herm couldn’t manage that – but the Clancy thing was lame when he hired him. So far our defense has shown all the growth of team that does not make a centerpiece of its secondary at the expense of every other facet of defense. And while we like Vrabel, Hali, Jackson the promotion of McGraw and Ron Edwards shows Hermesque disillusionment with the talent level of the rest of the NFL.
If this defense can’t limit the Raiders to a beatable situation then yes, Fire the shit out of Clancy Pendergast, fire him into the ground, fire him with actual fire, then put him out and then fire him again, and then once more but only figuratively this time.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
I agree...
The Raiders have a terrible offense, if Clancy can’t keep the Chiefs in the game then he really has problems. The secondary is bad, the linebackers are ok, but I really hoped for more with the draft picks we have spent on them. However, remembering last seasons horrific pass rush, I would have to say the rush is slightly better. I’ll join that bandwagon if I see 1 more 85+ yard touchdown pass this season. I swear, I don’t mind getting picked to death with 5 yard gains. The way we play the run, if we had some decent coverage we would stop a lot of offenses in our conference.
But the Haley experiment is not d.o.a. until he doesn’t win 2 more games
If the Chiefs lose to the Raiders do we really see them winning 2 more games? I don’t. In my opinion, barring a overtime or game ending fg kick kind of situation, another loss to the Raiders will be a turning point when it comes to my attitude toward Haley.
I want him to succeed, I really do and I defend his decisions all the time, but he really needs to beat the Raiders this weekend.
I Can't Really Accept Your Bet
Because I was firmly on the Fire Clancy bandwagon the instant he was hired. And unless Clancy can somehow turn this team into a top 10 defense, I will not climb off of it. But it’s a good counter-proposal so if you want to make a side bet.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take it a step further
and pretty much overhaul the entire coaching staff under Haley. And I’d say the new one should include an OC and QBC. Haley should concentrate on becoming an HC when he grows up. This is what I’ve been calling for and if Haley’s willing to do that, then I’d be very interested to see what he can do.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
If He Were To Do That
I’d re-consider my opinion of him, even if I won the bet. It would at least show that he’s starting to hold himself accountable for the team’s performance in deed as well as word.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
I have to agree.
Haley is saying all the right things – that he is responsible to produce wins, not expectations – but all coaches say that. The question is whether he is willing to back up those words with deeds. If he is really willing to bring in an OC with whom he can work for next season, that will go a long way towards convincing me that he really is capable of holding himself to the same standard he expects from his players.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Yes!!! FIRE the shit out of Pendergast....
There’s no way Haley is getting fired this year or the next.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
I'll tell you what I'm in favor of......
More Parade posts.
Rec’d
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take the bet...
I haven’t exactly endorsed Haley but I haven’t cast him to the wolves quite yet either. I still think any judgments thus far on him are in part due to emotional over reaction I can see where the fissure between support and revile exist…
lets say we hired cowher and not haley this past spring
and cowher only had a win or two right now. would some be ready to fire him?? or would some people be singing a different tune???
We'd be saying "The game has passed him by" and ...
… upamtn and UCrawford would have a zillion anti-Cowher incidents to cite as evidence, and they’d be betting us now on some sort of silly bandwagon-jumper thing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
excellent point jayball
it would prob be a different tune, but the reasons are that cowher would not be mismanaging the games so much, not putting up controversial signs as messages to the team, role playing as tuna, firing coordinators right before the reg season starts, practically having strokes on the sideline due to temper tantrums, etc etc etc.
Kinda hard to compare. cowher has already been there and done it successfully for years, won a super bowl, etc. so everyone would generally accept failure for a longer period of time. In all fairness to UC, I think these previously stated Haley shortcomings are why he has taken the stance that he has, more than anything.
Some guys just naturally command respect. They have that “X factor” quality, as cowher does. Haley doesnt seem to have the “pulse of the men” just yet and has no head coaching exp., plus…as 2.7 pointed out….never played the game. so… his room for error is going to be a lot smaller than a guy who is already thought of as one of the best.
At least in the players and the fans eyes.
That being said…UC, I love the bet and you’re right. it would be unacceptable to lose to those clowns twice but at the same time, i still say he’s a first time head coach. Let him learn, see where he takes us in a year or two. He’s a smart guy and I think he knows he needs to change/fix his mistakes. Plus, he’s got a pretty good evaluator of talent helping out..
be cee, regarding "a pretty good evaluator of talent" I have two words for you ...
Mike + Goff
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
you forgot
Bobby + Engram
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Not taking the bet
And thinking this is pure silliness.
My perspective on watching this years debacle comes from having been part of management teams that have raised businesses from the dead. So far, I like the approach that has been taken, I think most of the things I’ve seen were necessary and I still believe we are on the right track. There is still a lot of work to be done, lots of decisions to make, but you can’t overcome ten years of bad decisions in a few months. You can only make a start, and we have made a start. So far there isn’t much pretty about it, but I see signs of life.
I will also say this is precisely what I’ve been expecting out of UC ever since I’ve been reading AP. :-)
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.
yessir,
It seems like UC was in a bind & willing to make a deal, whether its in Georgia or KC! :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
Nah
More like I just thought I’d turn my contempt for Haley into a potentially fun game for AP. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
And it has been fun,
I was just referencing an old Charlie Daniels classic that Zodeman’s comment made me think of but instead of jumping on a hickory stump, you’re talking about a bandwagon full of souls!
Still having fun! :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
Zode: So how many years are you giving them?
…lots of decisions to make, but you can’t overcome ten years of bad decisions in a few months.
That’s right, 10 years of bad decisions. So, when will we see some light at the end of this “losing” tunnel? 2010? 2011?
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
It'll be the 2011 season
when Chiefs will reach the Super Bowl. Unfortunately the world ends the week before that. :-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
I still think
we will begin to see light at the end of the tunnel before this year is over. There will be a core of players who come together and start to make things happen.
But when it comes right down to it…I’ve given them 40 years to win another Superbowl and I’m ready to give them another 40.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.
Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore.
It’s crystal clear though that Haley has NOT been a good decision maker thus far. Now Ty Law is a Bronco…cuz…you know…we didn’t need someone like him…after all we have Kenny Smith or if he fails…there’s plenty of unemployed wino’s down by the railroad station that need work.
I would have to say at this point; if Pioli and Haley have some magic “plan”, I’d like to see it. Cuz it would be the greatest magic trick ever. If they can pull a rabb