The Driver Of The "Fire Haley" Bandwagon Offers You A Deal...With The Devil
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:06 PM CST
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"I'm just like Parcells or Belichick...only without the winning."
via www.everyjoe.com
Let's face it, Chiefs fans...it's been a long and miserable season so far. The Chiefs are 1-7, the team just cut ties with Larry "2.7" Johnson (and ate his disgusting contract) after seven miserable performances and yet another embarassing off-field incident from the jerkoff, our team has stayed firmly mired in the crapper on both offense and defense, we don't even have Tony G to root for any more and the season's only halfway over. In short...the 2009 football season has been one gi-normous suckfest.
As many of you know I, UCrawford, started up the "Fire Todd Haley" bandwagon last week after the locker room sign incident. The reasons for this are many and have been discussed ad nauseum on this site. Haley dumped Bernard Pollard for Mike Brown, he kept playing 2.7 until 2.7 finally threw him under the bus on a worldwide social networking site, he fired Chan Gailey two weeks before the season and scrapped the offense only to watch his new offense fail miserably, he hired Clancy Pendergast, he's almost as inept a game manager as Herm, he makes pathetic motivational signs, Todd is an asshole name, yadda, yadda, yadda...
Ultimately, the two biggest reasons why I gave up on Todd Haley weren't any of the oh-so-numerous errors he's made but the two simple observations that a) there isn't a heck of a lot that anyone can point to that Haley's done that has shown positive results while he's been here, and b) the man is easily one of the most unsympathetic individuals I've ever seen coach over two decades of watching pro football. Because, let's face it...while it's fairly easy to give a guy who's a bad coach but a nice guy multiple chances to turn it around (Herm), or to overlook the distasteful personality of someone who wins games (Belichick), there's really not a hell of a lot of motivation to give a complete jerk who constantly screws up, loses games, and points fingers at everyone but himself much of a chance. So yes...after watching Haley do his best Eric Mangini/Mike Nolan impersonation for seven games, I decided after those seven games that the guy is a clueless douche who is the Chiefs' biggest impediment to success and that he has to go.
But, was I too hasty, and how does this translate into an offer for you?
After a discussion with dedicated AP poster Lucasjr5 tonight, I'm willing to entertain the idea that I was indeed too quick to reach a verdict on Haley's failures as the Chiefs' head coach. After all, it's only been eight games and even the great Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 in his first season as head coach of the Cowboys before ultimately taking them to two consecutive Super Bowl wins (even if they did only beat the Buffalo Bills...the village bicycle of Super Bowl teams). So maybe I'm wrong about Haley. Point is, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong...under certain conditions.
Now, as all of you should know, next week is Raiders week. And as many of you know, I despise the Raiders above all other franchises in the NFL. More than the Cowboys, more than that pathetic excuse for a football team on the other side of Missouri, more than the self-important Broncos (burn in hell, Elway)...even more than the Missouri Tigers (yes, I hate, hate, hate the Tigers, go KU, Chase Daniel(s) was a choker). The Raiders are the most laughable excuse for a franchise in the NFL and yet they've somehow managed to win three Super Bowls in my lifetime while my beloved Chiefs have yet to win one. So yes...I hate the Raiders with the white hot intensity of a sun going supernova. And now the Raiders look to be at their abysmal bottom. They've got a fat, lazy QB who can't hit a target past his tight end and doesn't care, a head coach who's 2.7's brother from another mother, a defense that ranks in the bottom 10 of the NFL, an offense that ranks in the bottom 3, and an senile, egotistical, backstabber of an owner who apparently thinks it's still the 1970s.
So...my offer is this. If Todd Haley can get the Chiefs to beat the Oakland Raiders this Sunday by a touchdown or more (and it must be a touchdown or more), I will admit that I was far too hasty in my assessment of Haley and will retract my stated desire to see him fired immediately (preferably out of a cannon)...assuming there are sufficient takers for my wager. And, let's admit it, there's no reason for there not to be tons of takers out there for this bet because I know how many of you love to see me eat my words.
There is, however, a catch. If the Chiefs lose to the Raiders by a touchdown or more I expect everyone who takes my bet to join me immediately upon the "Fire Todd Haley" bandwagon. Loudly and proudly. Because, let's admit it...a Chiefs coach who gets beaten by a TD or more by the 2009 Oakland Raiders and gets swept by them for the season doesn't deserve another year on the job, no matter how new he is or how little talent his team has. There are dudes off the street (some of them homeless or drunks) who can probably take one out of two games against Tom Cable and Al Davis with this squad. So there's no excuse for Parcells Jr. to not be able to take one...by at least a touchdown.
So, AP readers who still support Todd Haley...do you take the devil's bargain with the driver of the "Fire Todd Haley" bandwagon and bet on your head coach to beat the hated Raiders, possibly risking your soul as a Chiefs fan in the process? Or do you decline the wager, thereby admitting to yourselves that you have so little faith in Haley that you can't even believe that he's able to beat the Raiders? Either way, the odds appear stacked in my favor.
I look forward to your replies, and to getting much more company upon my bandwagon in the very near future.
(evil laughter ensues)
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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I am already on your side
and REC’D.
Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're Already On The "Fire Todd Haley" Bandwagon?
Outstanding…that’s two overlords. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not taking the bet
If by some miracle Haley wins by more than a TD this week, I’m jumping in the drivers seat of that bus!!!! Todd Haley doesn’t get a pass for beating this year’s Oakland team after all the shit he’s done!!!! If the Raiders were undefeated and this was the last game of the year, I’d think about it. But this is a miserable Raider team. His ABSOLUTE LOWEST hurdle to keep his job should be winning this game… not his highest hurdle!!!!
Todd Haley makes one bad decision after another and doesn’t deserve another season. Period. Jimmy Johnson pulled off an amazing trade that loaded his team up for Super Bowl runs. Todd Haley benches, waives, or trades any and all talent on this team.
He’s a joke of a leader and a joke of a coach.
GO BACK TO COACHING GOLF!!!!! ya douche
by texaschief on Nov 10, 2009 3:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
If I lose the bet, texaschief can drive the bandwagon. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Note:
Thats texaschief, NOT
Texas Chief
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one
am glad that you pointed that out. I was trying to figure out what the heck was going on! Appreciate the clarification.
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record,
I’ve had this login name a year and 2 months longer than you have. I created it for this board and the Texas Rangers board.
If you want to stop the confusion, feel free to change.
by texaschief on Nov 13, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While your username is older on SB Nation,
Texas Chief was created on AP before yours, and he has been a very active member and solid contributor.
That isn’t a shot at you, but only noting that “Texas Chief” was known/established here before yours.
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and
no one needs to change.
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Texas is a big state…plenty of room for both of you both there and on AP. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
by UCrawford on Nov 13, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Except for you and me, son."
“We don’t take kindly to you not taking kindly around these parts.”
:)
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 13, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not asking anyone to change
….but, I’ve been around on Arrowhead Pride longer than texaschief and I would guess that most of the regular readers at AHP brobably associate Texas Chief with some of the posts and comments I’ve made over time. I have a reputation to uphold around here =P
Neither of us needs to change the username. They aren’t the same name. I just wanted to make sure no one thought I was flippy-flopping on my opnion of the continued progress of the team/rebuild.
Texas is plenty big to have 2,000,0000 Chiefs fans in it, yet alone 2.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 14, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't Imagine
bq.anyone confusing a Texas Chief post with someone else:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 14, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was damn near
a Mexican stand-off :-\
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 14, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think that's the point of picking this game
he should win this one. so if he gets blown out in a game that is his to lose that makes you question his ablity to coach. but in the same light we stink and haven’t blown anyone out so if he’s able to finnly do that, it puts into question wether or not we jumped to rashly to send him to the guillotine.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Was My Thought On It
All kidding aside, if he can’t beat an awful Raiders team this year (something even Herm was able to accomplish) then how much better than Herm can the guy be? And frankly, I’m not predisposed to give a guy as bad as Herm two more years. If he’s that bad of a coach, he just needs to go.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I would also like to add,
that this isn’t about optimism v. pessimism.
We have to be realistic. The team is horrible, the play calling is horrible, the roster management has been horrible. We are statistically worse than last year on both offense and defense.
Those are facts. A few more sacks, but more yards allowed per game, is not an improvement. Gaining large amounts of yardage and points solely in garbage time is not an improvement.
I wrote a FanPost about how the Defense was not improving after Week 4, and we have been getting even worse.
This isn’t about “Kool-Aid Drinkers” or “Haters” it is about being sane and acknowledging that, so far this year, the team is worse than last year.
We used to be able to acknowledge facts such as these here. Now, I guess we are being too “negative” by stating statistical fact that we have a very serious problem with this team and management.
Refusing to admit the obvious problems does not negate them. Pretending that consistent, and historical, failure is the “patient, and right path,” is even worse.
The argument that 1 year turn arounds are a fluke is equally as fallible as are that sticking with sunk costs in the face of obvious failure.
Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, there is no matching bones.
by Matt89 on Nov 9, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He Wasn't A Good Deep Passer And Occasionally He'd Put A Throw Into The Third Deck
But Thigpen was a hell of a lot of fun to watch and I kind of miss the guy. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BONES!
I actually like Cassel more though.. for the record.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UCrawford is the Devil
And take my word from experience, he doesn’t make deals he knows he won’t win. ;)
I also think Haley is way in over his head and have said from the first time that he was mentioned as a candidate for the job that he was a complete flavor of the month pick. Who ever heard of Todd Haley before the Cardinals got in the NFC Championship game? No one. Then all the sudden he was some kind of offensive genius because he had a multi-MVP winning QB and two of the five best WRs in the game.
Despite that, I can’t see a scenario where Haley gets fired.
Why?
Ego.
There is no possible way Scott Pioli admits his first ever coaching hire was a giant cluster-uck and that the entire first season under his command was aborted. He would have been better off keeping Herm Edwards for another season to see if his rebuilding method would bear any fruit if that were the case because then he would have had someone to blame when things went bad.
If he fires Haley and admits he had no clue what he was doing, he instantly loses all credibility and good will he brought with him from New England and is instantly on the hot seat.
Every other coach on the roster might get fired, but I can’t see Pioli’s ego letting him admit he was wrong about Haley.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So
You’re on the “Fire Haley” bandwagon then, DJ?
(which is, of course, not a prediction that Haley will get fired…only that we wish he’d get fired).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I wish he would get fired as much as
I wish they had never hired him.
I definately do not want K.C. to become a coaching merry go round with a different coach every year. Part of me still hopes that once Haley is humbled enough, that a nugget of a good coach could still be in there to grow.
I just highly doubt it. :)
by ChiefDJ on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of this team
I hope you are as right about Haley as you were about Connor Barth
:-)
by Nick Britt on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
So do I. But I don’t see it. I’ve dealt with a lot of people who can’t accept responsibility for their actions over my life. Very few of them ever change.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DId you listen to his presser today? How can you say he's not taking responsibility?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm Not In KC
I’m in Arizona. So no, I didn’t hear it.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was along the lines of "the losses fall on me."
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Empty Words
He said the same thing at the start of the year too when he fired Gailey.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does a coach have to say to accept responsibility in your book?
He’s saying they fall on him. Do you expect him to resign?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At This Point
I’d say delegating the QB coach job to one of his assistants would be a big step in the right direction. Until he gives up at least one of his fulltime jobs, he’s not really accepting responsibility because he’s not fixing what is probably his greatest problem.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right, that's what I said
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he's given it up
but I do remember a shot of Cassel sitting with what I assume was another coach looking at pictures of the last drive at one point in this week’s game.
by bh13 on Nov 10, 2009 3:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they were doing
that almost every time that the defense was on the field from what I saw but I have no idea who it was.
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HIV, how about "I'm in over my head, there's too much to do as both HC and OC and therefore I am handing OC duties over to (Insert Name Here) immediately"
that’s all he needs to say … until then, all he’s saying is no more than CoachSpeak aka BS
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need an OC
I agree, but don’t you think installing a new coordinator at this point in the season is just going to confuse players even more? If we are going to go down that path, we need to wait until the off season.
by PistolP on Nov 10, 2009 6:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
An OC will be brought in this offseason. Makes no sense to try to redesign the offense midseason.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 10, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why wait? after all, Haley fired/demoted Chan Gailey and threw out the entire playbook with less than 2 wks before opening game
… had he done that during the OTSs or the very beginning of training camp, ok … but to scrap all of it, not just new plays but also new schemes, new protection packages (yeah those have worked out well), new terminology (see? now we can FOOL people cuz they don’t know what we’re doing! it’s a secret, you know!!!) …
no, we’ve already GONE down that path … and the current OC has his head so far up his playbook he can’t see the gameclock
the current HC drones on and on about PLAYER accountability, and has NO problem firing and demoting PLAYERS … he needs to hold himself to the same standards
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, agreed
I never understood that – I have thought Haley has always taken responsibility. At least once a week he says he’s gotta get better at something, and the coaches have to get better.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 9, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Way past your bed time, son.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joel, he SAYS "oh yeah, we gotta improve and I'm responsible" but ...
… he’s still calling the plays, he still has too much to do and think about at gametime, he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again … out of arrogance as much as anything …
claiming responsibility changes nothing until he demotes himself from the OC role … he’s willing to drop players like hot potatos, he needs to hold himself to the SAME standards
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Herm Said That Too
“I did a bad job coaching you”
He didn’t actually change anything he did until his butt was on the chopping block and he had Gailey install the Arrowspread out of desperation.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be awesome if Haley put Chan Gailey in as the OC ...
oh wait …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't just
cut & paste that from one of your earlier posts, did you? :)
by ttownmikey on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
believe it or not I actually typed that entire comment
by myself, even!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
solari is always an option...
another great coach destroyed by herm’s conservatism…okay so maybe thats a bit (or a lot) far but i wonder how much herm destroyed his coaching career.
by MountainManMike on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait ... Pioli *has* credibility? when did THAT happen???
and why didn’t anyone TELL me!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He brought it with him from New England
Did you know he used to be with the Patriots organization? I hear he was the moderating influence that kept Bill Bellichick from making bad decisions….
by ChiefDJ on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know If Pioli Would Lose All Credibility By Firing Haley, Though
I wouldn’t think he was an idiot for doing it if the team completely falls apart on Haley. Frankly, I’d have respect for the guy for having the balls to admit a decision wasn’t working out and pulling the plug sooner rather than later.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I get the feeling that whoever the next coach Pioli brought in would be just as big a douche.
Remember Pioli came here to make a name for himself. He had everything else he could ever want in New England. I don’t forsee him bringing in someone who is already competent to steal the glory for building the team from him.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 9, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course He Would Lose All Credibility By Firing Haley
Biggest decision of his career and he blew it so bad the guy had to be fired halfway through the year? When Zorn, Mangini et al are still hanging on? When most talking heads on TV will agree that mid-season firings are always a disaster?
He would be pegged immediately as the worse GM in the league by fans and media everywhere. And there would be talk about the bad judgment of the young owner. They point out that the coaching staff will be turned over AGAIN, that likely there will be EVEN MORE roster churning in the offseason and next year, lots of articles about Cassel and his contract and whether the team is still behind him, etc. etc.
It would make the Raiders look smart by comparison.
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, He Wouldn't Lose Credibility With Me Anyway
And everyone knows that Dan Snyder is the worst GM in the league. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how has pioli blown the biggest decision in his life?
i’m not saying that you have to like haley but there’s abslutely no way to tell that pioli mesed up in hireing him yet. all you have is speculation and weak arguments about him being a duche. i use some of the common complants as examples.
1.) haley hasn’t produce much confidence in him as the team shows little to no improment and is only 1-7 at the moment. Arguement: Jimmy Johnson only took the cowboys to 1-15 in his first season and showed so little improvement that all of Dallas was calling for his head. i’m not saying that he’s the next incanation of jimmy, but that it’s too early to tell as it took jimmy more then a whole season to turn his team around.
2.) haley is a horrible micromanaging bastard and has taken on way too much responsablity. Arguement: this is your strongest arguement but even it is a little weak. i’ve been in several mangagement possions and when you take over a program that was in utter shambles it takes a long time before you start to see the fruits of your labors. as i said this is your stongest arguement, as even i think he might have bitten off more then he can chew, but i do beleive that he should be given aleast till the end of the season to prove whether his managment is going to work
3.) haley is an egotistical bastard that treats his players badly. Arguement: this is by far the weakest arguement because being a bastard does not make you a bad coach. for all thoes that say you have to start winning before you can be a bastard, all someone has to do is point out the prema-scowling hoody in NE. again not saying haley is his next incanation, but again it’s too early to tell.
obviously most people with a stance in this are pretty soild, so anything short of haley winning every game the rest of the season thoes opinions will probably not change. i’m just comenting on how all the “haley is the anti-christ”ers spout there propoganda like it’s fact that haley is a bad coach when everything is based on the asumption that haley will never turn this team around or that he’ll never change and learn from his mistakes. pretty weak arguements if you ask me.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think my standards have been pretty fair for him..
I’ll give him a pass for one more year if he can just manage to win three games… just because of that damned 22 players off the street comment
by callmesir on Nov 10, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Herm
I still wished they let ol Hermie finish out his final year to see what he could put together because I guarantee you Haley would still be available after this year had he not been hired this year.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yups, with ya there Nate
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Down with Herm
Booo!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate, one thing though ... I'd have insisted Herm hire a "sideline assistant" for game days
… and he’d have had to toss Gun out the door anyway …
but the rest of it, yeah … Chan still OC, run the Wildcat or whatever he wants … another GOOD draft … who knows, coulda been something fun
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will say
Herm did bring in and draft decent talent for the most part. I thought he had something going there, maybe maybe not.
My only concern is say we did not hire Haley and let herm finish his contract would we still have Croyle and Thiggy as QBs or would we still have gotten Cassel and Vrabel?
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As Long As We Had Pioli
We were going to get Cassel and Vrabel. We offered the best deal for them and New England had to dump them.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought so.
I just wasn’t positive wether or not it would of been the same with different head coach philosophies and what not. But yea, either which way we have Cassel and Vrabel.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Herm was really high on Ball State QB Nate Davis who would of come in and Battled Croyle for starting position. Herm also would not have went for Vrabel because he was true to his youth movement he would of used the 1st round pick on the OL or LB and the same for the second. Then probably went for a reach on Nate Davis and took him in the third after that all I know is the focus was going to be OL.
by kcchiefstd on Nov 11, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
people say all the ego stuff about Pioli
but know one in this town knows him. he doesnt give interviews and his is not visible. He said when he came here that Haley was going to be the face of the chiefs and he would do all the behind the scenes work. I think the whole ego argument might be unwarrented
by jayball09 on Nov 10, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe that's Pioli's ego right there ... he's "above" answering to the press or anyone else (other than Hunt)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny
because everyone that knows him says he’s a down to earth, hard working guy. Someone here from Philly said he went to the Chiefs fan bar there just to meet with the fans. Never heard of CP doing anything like that. The only person in the public I’ve seen say anything bad about him is Whitlock, and he has his own agenda.
He also stated more than once in the month or so after he was hired that he would be in the background for the most part, because he believed that the coach should be the face of the franchise, not the GM.
He probably does have some sort of ego…but I doubt there’s been a GM or Head Coach in the history of the NFL who hasn’t.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Nov 10, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Someone here posted a comment last year about a run-in with Peterson and how gracious and courteous he was to them.
Most of the GMs or coaches we rip on are not bad people personally…nor do I think most of us try to say otherwise. The criticisms and frustrations are usually about job performance first and foremost (even the criticisms about personal style are usually based in job performance). For all we know Todd Haley might be the nicest guy in the world away from his job. But there are quite a few here who would probably agree that in how he goes about his business on the job the man’s kind of a douche, and my criticisms of that style are usually based in the results that approach doesn’t seem to get.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most GMs Or Head Coaches In The NFL = Ego
It kind of goes hand-in-hand.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh please ... Nick, you don't REALLY believe that, do you? seriously?
I’m surprised he hasn’t come out yet claiming he, not Belichick, is the “real genius” of the Patriots …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 11, 2009 12:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
REC'd
and I WILL take your deal. There is no way I can support someone who loses to the raiders twice a season. Oh and shooting Haley out of a cannon sounds like a fun halftime show.
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Accepted
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Is Officially One Candidate For The Bandwagon
Or one who may save my soul as a Chiefs fan. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So whats your early prediction?
I’ll say 7-0 Chiefs
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Predictions On This One
Because frankly I have no clue what will happen. And even if I thought the Raiders would beat us, I’d never say it. I really hate that team.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...right
ah I hate the raiders….
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as long as we dont lose horribly
i wont even be any where close to the Fire Todd Haley bandwagon
Pro Todd Haley
by zbartmess on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If The Margin Of Victory Or Loss Is Less Than A TD
The bet’s off. I figure losing by a TD or more against a team with a QB as shitty as Russell qualifies as losing horribly.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i never took the bet..
i think winning by a touchdown or less against a team with a QB as shitty as Russell qualifies as losing horribly.lol
wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man
There is no way in hell that i could be anything but PRO Todd Haley
by zbartmess on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Worries
I didn’t write you down as in on the bet.
Although technically that qualifies as a win because you’ve just shown that you don’t even trust Haley not to lose to the Raiders by a TD. Which is what makes this bet for your soul so deliciously evil. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Firing Haley solves nothing, he's not the reason we can't run, block, or cover.
On another note, I’ll be at the Raiders game. Second road game of the season for me.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i agree but...
what about the untimely draw plays that seem to F us everytime
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The great Dicky V says...
a team can NEVER run enough draw plays. I’d like to see them bring an OC in this offseason but I still think that Haley will make a good NFL coach.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well its hard to argue
with Vermeil
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yanno, Haley just might make a good NFL coach someday ...
… but he isn’t now, not even close to close … he’s an arrogant schmuck
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder how good his golf game really is?
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
... he neveer turned pro, did he ... hmmmmmmm
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm starting to believe you never listen to his press conferences or
watch his demeanor with his players the past several weeks. he’s getting better but you’re stuck on an article that whitlock wrote back in feb/march. he may never pan out as a great head coach but i don’t think he’s “an arrogant schmuck”
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So Are You Taking My Bet, HIV?
C’mon man…it’s against the Raiders. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the bet? What are you putting up?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just My Pride
No cash or anything like that. Just a public retraction of my belief that Haley should be fired if he wins by a TD or more against Oakland. And you’d just have to join me on the “Fire Haley” bandwagon if you lose.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't get on the bandwagon because I don't think any coaches fate should come down to one game.
Even if its against the Raiders. I think the team looks much better than it did last year despite having even less of an o-line (thanks to Waters creeping on washed up). This team still reeks of Herm and its going to take more than one year to wash that stank off.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Fair Enough
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you this...
I’ll be at the Raiders game decked out in Chiefs red. My bro will be flossing the Marcus Allen jersey. Thats putting more than my pride on the line for this team, thats putting my well being.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats awsome
Allen chiefs jersey in the blackhole. Just awsome
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Props For That
Stay out of the way of shivs. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Allen
Will that be a Chiefs jersey or a Raiders jersey?
by TampaRoyal on Nov 10, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hiring Haley apparantly SOLVED nothing ...
… and one has to wonder if the reason we “can’t run, block or cover” is because we WON’T run, block or cover … ie, have the players tossed Haley under the bus already, long ago and far away … or, did they just drop it on his head when they got back from training camp?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CONSPIRACY THEORY!
Yeah, I’m sure the players tossed in the towel before the season started.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm this would make an awsome movie
better call my agent.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please Be Safe!
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
try not to get shanked man
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd. Crawford ... and you know, I'm sorely tempted to take the bet, except that I honestly don't think haley SHOULD be fired
yet
give him the rest of the season and THEN can his sorry a$$ … and the OC, too! but see, I’ve been ON the bandwagon waiting for ya since they hired the guy to begin with …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess, hire Cowher?
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
by HIV 2 Elway on Nov 9, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt that be wonderful though?
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by GanjaChief on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hire whitlock...
and then fire him just for the heck of it.
by MountainManMike on Nov 11, 2009 3:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So You're Declining The Bet?
Just keep in mind…by declining you’re stating a more or less complete lack of faith in Haley. And why wouldn’t you want a coach like that to get fired? :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford, you know for a fact I have ZERO faith in Haley
… thing is, I have even LESS faith in the Raiders, and if the Raiders manage to LOSE, then “WE” have to stop the bandwagon (at least for a week or two) and I want it to keep rolling
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not If They Lose By A TD Or Less
In that case, it’ll be a push. Same as if we lose by a TD or less.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tally So Far
Betting For The Bandwagon:
DTR
Betting Against The Bandwagon:
GanjaChief
C’mon man…there’s got to be more takers out here than this. Who’s willing to step up and put their soul as a fan up for a wager?
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
go ahead, my soul is cheap ...
I’ll take the bet
(that’s right, I see your WR and raise you 2 RBs)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For Or Against The Bandwagon?
Just to be clear.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummmmmmmm yeah ... I guess against (you know this is killing me) otherwise what's the point?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
That’s now you, GanjaChief and Lucasjr5 betting against me and DTR on my side.
Two more against and I’ll consider this a done deal. I think five betting against me is a reasonable cutoff.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will be the first to admit
that I berated Herm on here during his 3 years for far less idiocy than Haley has displayed.
I like Haley, I want him to succeed, but his actions/ decision making / play calling have already exceeded the idiocy of Herm.
He is a 1st year HC, I will give him more time to learn from his mistakes. However, I have reached the point that he has to prove he can learn from his mistakes.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd And obviously I take the bet... Also..
Add that if the Raiders win by a TD then we add a “Fire Todd Haley Bandwagon” or something of that affect (your choice), BUT if the Chiefs win by a TD you have to take your Fire Haley sig off for the rest of the season.
Also, you writing down those who take the bet?
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you know he is ... you make 3
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am in....
Just on the Raider’s part…but I will obviously make another condition….it has to be something in his range of responsibility….Players mess up sometimes, it is easy to tell. And if they lose the game, I am willing to give the coach a little longer. But, if it is play-calling, management and so on…im out.
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
by woodman212 on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, But No Deal On That
Player errors fall under coaching (somewhat).
I’m only willing to concede flukish luck if it results in a margin of victory of less than a TD.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is
if Andy Reid can coach the Eagles to a loss against the Raiders, they might accidentally beat the Chiefs again as well. I think that the Chiefs will triumph in a big way but that oblong ball can take some funny bounces so much as I’d like to take your bet, I’ll have to abstain at this time.
by ttownmikey on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There Are No Accidents In Football
If Haley can’t coach this team enough to beat the stinking Raiders, then what good is he?
And the Raiders shot their upset wad on the Eagles game. They should have nothing left for the rest of the year. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since nothing real will will happen after this game one way or another
wouldn’t either side of this bet celebrate a shallow victory? I don’t see the point of this bet other than to satisfy ones ….ego? lol
None of us can lose our Chiefs fan soul because of one game no matter who we are playing. I did get to see the Super Bowl years and before. I was watching on Sunday afternoon when Ben Davidson rolled over Len Dawson then got his ass kicked by Otis Taylor. I hate the Raiders as much as anyone and its the game I don’t like to lose.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
Technically any time we’re proven right or wrong on these message boards it’s a shallow victory because none of us work for the Chiefs or have any control over what happens (that we know of). But we still post anyway because it’s a hell of a lot more entertaining than keeping quiet during a long miserable season. :)
None of us can lose our Chiefs fan soul because of one game no matter who we are playing.
Killjoy. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know I still love you like a brother :) lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shutting UC's fire haley now talk up is victory enough,,,
I think the Chiefs are going to get their offense going next week and win by more than a TD. If they lose horribly to the raiders twice in one season I’m willing to take another look at if Haley was a good hire. Cause I’ll be that pissed.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And That's Fair Enough
Frankly, I don’t even care if I lose. So far putting together this bet is the most fun I’ve had all season. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking this
is a well-thought out way of getting yourself off of the Fire Haley bandwagon while saving face & credibility with your followers! And if by some as yet unknown strange bounce should lead to Oakland winning again, you’ve gained a couple more followers.
You have put yourself into a totally win/win situation! Well played! :)
by ttownmikey on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
o if he loses hes gonna hear about it... i'll yell at him every time he tries to bash haley again..
i’ll be like “Remember the Raiders!” Haley can’t be all bad!
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like DJ Said
I don’t take bets if I think there’s no way I win. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was one of my all-time favorite moments
of watching the Chiefs, seeing Otis stand up for his QB!
by ttownmikey on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, Lanier
But I am not going to refuse to admit how horrid this team has been this year…in ways even Harm’s teams weren’t.
Love you, man!
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm all for removing Haley as head coach
he may be a good OC but he’s in a little over his head as a head coach. I would like to see Cowher (HC) and Crennel (DC) brought in next year. That is if Pioli and and Clark are serious about being a championship team
by KCCheeze on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So Are You Betting On This One
You can take my side of the bet (be on the Fire Haley Bandwagon) or go against the bandwagon.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure i see the point of firing him until the end of the season
but I have seen zero improvement from week 1 or even last year for that matter. If it stays that way i am on the fire him bandwagon (at the end of the season though)
by KCCheeze on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So You're Out On This Bet Then?
No worries if you are. It’s just for fun anyway (said the devil, coveting your soul). :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
regardless of the outcome this weekend
Jesus Christ owns my soul so the devil..i mean UC can never truly have it :p
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your sig would suggest otherwise
j/k :)
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But He Doesn't Own Your Chiefs Fan Soul
And that’s the only one I’m taking. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll meet you out on the pitch, Ole Scratch
It’s not that I’m a huge supporter of Haley because I do think he is an unconscionable d-bag. There are however a couple of things I was hoping to see from this regime before I gave up.
- I’d like to see Haley show us that he’s had his fill of humble pie and stop dropping f-bombs at his players from the sideline. He needs to shoulder the blame for a team that has been poorly prepared each week and should play the best players and knock off this bullshit of demoting his stars to prove he craps bigger than they do. I want to see game planning based on the strengths of his players rather than force-feeding the system to the players for the sake of the system.
- I’d like to see him get out of pre-season mode and settle on a depth-chart, injuries aside, of course. I’d like to see some consistency with the lineup so we can, at the very least see if we can develop some chemistry.
- I’d like to see some improvement in a few areas. I don’t particularly care what areas, but I want to see it. So far, I’m of the opinion that we’ve been incredibly inconsistent in virtually every every aspect of the team’s play.
- At the end of the year, I’d like to see a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. I want a DC who specializes in running a true 3-4 if that’s the direction we’re chosing to go. I’d like to see a real OC and a real QB coach.
Although this is a reasonable set of expectations, it appears to be a real stretch. So I’m willing to take you up on your offer. If this Haley let team fucks this Raider game up, I’ll loudly call for the coach’s head!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding
Knew I could count on you, Buck’O. :)
So that’s Leaf, Buck’O, GanjaChief, upamtn, and Lucasjr betting against me (with Woodman being wishy-washy about jumping in) and DTR on my side.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta part ways with you on this one, Buck'O.
Still like Haley. Still like Pioli. I’m seeing progress in the “roster churning” they’ve been doing since August. I think when you’re losing, unless you have total faith in the talent you have, rather than a demoralizing sense that the Chiefs are a slow team, maybe stability is desirable. But they’re still in roster-churning mode.
I’ve noticed Haley is less forgiving of mental errors than physical shortcomings. What I see is a guy who’s honest about what he thinks. I keep coming back to Anquan Boldin on this. Haley LIKES guys who are as passionate as he is about winning. There were no hard feelings after a sideline incident that APers are still bringing up.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on Pioli. I still like him
I think the Haley/Bolden fiasco illustrated an ideal circumstance. If you look at just about every stop in Haley’s career, the circumstance was pretty much ideal. Good organizations, good coaching staff, good players. It’s completely different in KC. His brashness is front and center and he’s struggling with it. Confrontation with one player on a good team, on the cusp of a playoff berth carries far less risk than does berating numerous players, week in and week out on a terrible team.
I watched the Steelers and Donks tonight and I have to say, the overall effort of both teams was greater by orders of magnitude compared to anything I’ve seen from the Chiefs. If it’s a matter of motivation, I think Haley’s missing the boat. On top of that, I think Haley’s made some serious errors in judgment (Firing Galey, taking on OC and QB coaching roles) and he’s paying for it. He’s stretched so thin he hasn’t been able to effectively game-plan, game-manage or play call to this point.
I know some here have defended that he’s taken responsibility by stating that it ultimately falls on him because he’s coach. But I for one, have never felt that such statements have ever been genuine on his part and I’ve always come away with the feeling that he just thinks his players aren’t working hard and it’s on them.
That being said, I don’t wanna sound too much like I’m in agreement with UCrawford just yet. :) I think these are all correctable shortcomings and there’s enough regular season left to start moving in the right direction.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 9, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your argument is with Pioli, Haley's boss
Pioli had to sign off on firing CG, not hiring another OC or QB coach, etc. For all I know Pioli was an instigator of the firing, not a ‘silent partner.’ You assume that all these things that were done, that Haley’s attitude and decisions, are things that somehow Pioli did not want to do, but for some reason had to go along with Haley. PIoli is the boss, responsibility is his as well. Why do you still like PIoli if these are all problems and he hasn’t done even a minimal amount of due diligence and corrected them?
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your argument is with Pioli, Haley's boss
Pioli had to sign off on firing CG, not hiring another OC or QB coach, etc. For all I know Pioli was an instigator of the firing, not a ‘silent partner.’ You assume that all these things that were done, that Haley’s attitude and decisions, are things that somehow Pioli did not want to do, but for some reason had to go along with Haley. PIoli is the boss, responsibility is his as well. Why do you still like PIoli if these are all problems and he hasn’t done even a minimal amount of due diligence and corrected them?
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No dude
My argument is with Haley. Thanks for playing
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about coach's deficiencies here
It’s Haley’s staff. The only think I’ll say about Pioli is shame on him for not intervening. Otherwise, Pioli has kept a fresh supply of raw meat for this grinder. Although we’re not seeing a bunch of GREAT talent, Haley gets tired of one and Pioli sends him another.
Don’t make Pioli out to be an all-mighty tyrant here. Tyrant maybe, but he’s not so dumb as to make the call to fire Gailey and tell his rookie HC to take on the OC and QBC roles on top of everything else. More like, “Sure Todd, if you think you can handle it, go for it. But if you FAIL, it’s your ass.”
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides...
based on your comments to others on this post, I’d say YOUR argument is with Pioli
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's remarkable about the Boldin-Haley "incident"
is that to Haley it’s only natural that a guy with his heart in the game is gonna get worked up, and he understands it. In a way, it shows a brand of respect for his players that nobody seems to get. Hard to explain.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I won't disagree with that
at the same time, I think this year shows that Haley may be a bit one dimensional in that he’s thus far failed to fully adapt to his current situation. Maybe he’s starting to temper his approach, it’s just too early to tell. Interacting with one or two players in that manner is fine if the situation warrants it. Interacting with the team as a whole on a consistent basis in that manner leaves much to be desired. I hope… I HOPE he’s getting the gist of it and he’s not jeopardizing the teams buy-in.
Now, about all of his other warts…
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 11, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice comment at the end of the Jax game about how they were still playing hard.
The color guy said Haley has to be pleased with that. Most coaches’ players would’ve give up on him by this point.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stop dropping f-bombs at his players from the sideline
Has he been doing that lately? I can’t remember seeing it.
I know this week he yelled at a ref. “Get the F-ing ball down!” I believe is what he said (around the 2 minute warning I think), but I don’t remember any shots of him yelling at players lately.
by bh13 on Nov 10, 2009 4:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well then maybe he's improving. :)
I think it would be a much better sign if we didn’t see him dropping any f-bombs at anyone from the sideline. Whether he wants to believe it or not, part of being a HC is being the front-man for the team. When he acts like a d-bag on camera, he’s acting like a d-bag in red and gold.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty good point.
I’m crude in private, but pretty well-behaved in public.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UC i'll take that bet
i’ve been one of your most outspoken opponents when it comes to haley because i think it’s too early to tell if one is going to learn from there mistakes. but as you said, if you lose to this raiders team, that’s bad and i’ll be first in line with my torch and pitchfork.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 9, 2009 10:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
there we go...
dont worry leaf, the Chiefs are gonna take the raiders down and UC will eat his words!
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damn skippy
i live to be the thorn in UC’s side :p
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Off To Bed
Anyone else who wants to take me up on my bet (either with me or against me) post it in a reply to this comment.
So far I’ve got five guys going against me (Leaf, Buck’O, upamtn, GanjaChief, and LucasJr), one with me (DTR) and one on the fence (Woodman) who’s trying to lay down all sorts of silly conditions. :)
If I got that wrong, just let me know. Thanks and talk to you guys tomorrow.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Have a good one,
this was good for several belly laughs! Thanks,
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad You Liked It
Felt like we needed a friendly in-house competition to liven spirits a bit. It’s been a miserable season so far so why not make a game of it?
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its all fun and games until you lose and have to be a haley fanboy
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Will Eat Those Words, Punk. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are so weak.
Talk a big game and then go take a nap?
That sounds like a Haley strategy. :)
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what...
I’m with you UC. We are going up against probably one of the worst starting QBs in nfl history. There is no reason we should loose or get sweeped by the filthy raiders. If Haley can’t coach his team to ATLEAST ONE WIN over the raiders then how is he suppose to coach a win over any other team?
Count me with you UC
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So
You’re betting on the bandwagon or against the bandwagon?
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Bandwagon
That is if Haley can’t get KC to win by 7 points or more he should be gone.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think thats what we all are betting on...
the choice is.. do you dump the bandwagon if the Chiefs beat down the raiders
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Can't Speak For Nate And DTR
Up to them how they want to go with it. :)
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Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we look like an actual team AND "beat down the raiders"
then, yes.
“beat down the raiders” would intimate more than a measly 7 points though.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well you deny the conditions woodman tried to put on it...
i say he has to agree with the terms to dump the bandwagon should you guys lose… which i think is fair. But i suppose you kinda lead the bandwagon so you can handle shutting it down for the people betting on your side.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His Method Was Too Unquantifiable
I got what he was saying, but he was overthinking it…I’m just going off of score.
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Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya its kind of weird...
if they bet with you they are saying that they are on the bandwagon and will hop off if we take the raiders out by 7+. So just assume they are on the bandwagon if they are betting with you.
And don’t take Fire Haley Now completely literally… I think UC means after this season. Nobody in the NFL is getting fired in the middle of the season (this season) unless he sleeps with the owners daughter or something… haha
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Be Okay With Them Firing Him Now
Haley puts me in a foul mood and I’d rather see Chan Gailey finish out the season in charge. After the season would also be acceptable, though. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sold
on Haley. havent been from the moment he spoke at his press conference when hired. But…not a lot of time i dont think, to put together a great staff, and he is obviously learning a lot this year and i say clancy will be replaced, a good offensive coordinator will be brought in, and who knows who else. The tempers, and coaching with his heart and not his mind needs corrected for sure, game management for sure needs fixin, but i like the discipline and get good or get gone attitude. At least another year or two i say. Who knows, he might end up being ok….
by be cee on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you, rec'd
Sad as it is to say, it wouldn’t surprise me if they found a way to lose this game. But even if that’s the case, I’m still not ready to give up on Haley just yet. I have a feeling that he can turn this boat around (or at least I just hope to hell he can b/c I don’t want to start over again).
I don’t know if this is the case, but I think alot of the problems come from:
1. New schemes
2. Lack of talent for those schemes
3. Lack of OC and QB coach
Yes, #3 is definitely Haley’s fault, but as you said he had a short off-season to work with. This isn’t truly his staff or his team yet. If this crap continues after Haley has a full offseason to get his shit together then I’m on the bandwagon definitely.
Just not quite yet. So take your deal and shove it Devil!! :)
P.S. – great idea for a post UC. Rec’d.
by TheScootness on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus he's still a rookie coach
He needs at least one full season to figure out what’s going on. Yeah, McDaniels has had success, but I think alot of that is a great DC, some luck, and a pretty good team left by Shanny. Ours was a pile of rubble.
by TheScootness on Nov 9, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scoot, that's precisely why Haley should NOT be the OC this year ...
should never have taken it on to begin with … now that he has, and he CLAIMS he’s “accountable” he needs to man up to it being overwhelming and step away from that OC job
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think he’ll be OK as a HC but he really needs to step down from OC and QB coach.
by TheScootness on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys seem to think the offense's struggles are because Haley's taken on too much.
Totally cart-before-the-horse.
- I’m not convinced he’s overburdened. I think he’s a pro who can manage his time intelligently.
- He’s OC because the offense sucked, and he stepped up to the plate. A risky move, because the struggles of the offense can’t be blamed on a subordinate, which would’ve been the easy way to go.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
Not sold totally on him, yet, but he gets the benefit of the doubt, and there are quite a few things I like about him that are longer-term success sorts of things. They’re still “struggling right,” if that makes sense.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in on this bet
I’ll be surprised if we win this game at all, let alone by a touchdown.
by Sam D on Nov 9, 2009 11:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So You're Taking My Side Of The Bet
You’re on the Fire Haley bandwagon right now?
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a taker.
I’m not going to let a bet precipitate my reasoning.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So, the Chiefs' stats for the year on offense and defense hold no sway?
:)
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
?
Anybody who knows the history of the game knows that a LOT of good coaches struggle in their first year, especially 1st-year coaches joining teams who only won 6 games in 2 seasons.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
So that’s DTR, Nate and (I think) Sam with me. Scootness, Leaf, Buck’O, upamtn, GanjaChief, and LucasJr against me.
Oh, and hmills sitting on the sidelines, being a wuss. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't really call this a for or against bet
more if the chiefs lose then your bandwagon gets bigger. if the chiefs win then the haley bandwagon gets bigger.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty Much
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wishing...
I just wish I could go to bed one night and wake up to the future; that being a winning elite chiefs team that would be consistant and a superbowl contender year after year.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
-This isn't "Blow Smoke Up Your Ass Pride"
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've lowered my standards...
I just want the Chiefs to win the Superbowl once before I die. :-(
I am 23. I DON’T THINK I’M ASKING FOR TO MUCH!
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Was 18 When I First Said That
Back in 1989. Could be a wait.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My grandfather...
My grandfather (83) enjoyed the good old times of the early successfull chiefs. Wish I could :/
My all-time wish is to see a Superbowl Winning Chiefs team before I die…
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although...
I do have a long time possibly to wait for that to happen, seeing as I’m 16.
How about let us all here on AP see the Chiefs win one before we die…
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was there ...
well, not at the SB game(s) but a huge fan by the time they won SB IV … was a kid in the early 60’s and started paying real attention to it circa 66 and SB I
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
another thing
i dont care for is how pioli and haley seemingly try to be just like parcells. parcells isnt coaching anymore. its a new era, and guys like mike tomlin are having the success. “players coaches” if you will. not sure if the head games and tempers are gonna get it done, this day and age. will it produce more wins? probably. will it get us past the first round of the playoffs? maybe. superbowl? im thinking no…
by be cee on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tomlin inherited a system in place.
I like his style, too. But don’t think he doesn’t throw darts in his own way.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im about an inch away from the bandwagon...
to fire his ass, but i will say one thing…I dont think Haley has a whole lot of say so on the players that Pioli is bringing in….All he wants to do is bring in ex Patriots, which means he is a little bit too egotistical. As we have seen, not many of the ex patriots have worked out too well….Cassel and Vrable,,,and Vrable is old and ready to retire, and the jury is still out on Cassel.
by KCinAZ on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BS
Bobby Wade, Leonard Pope, or Lance Long ring a bell? Don’t be fooled into thinking Haley doesn’t have direct say over who is on this team or not.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats my point exactly...
those players are not ex patriots and they have been productive….well maybe not pope but….
by KCinAZ on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His point is they are former Haley players….
by JComp11 on Nov 10, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BS again
Who exactly knows where the initial and final decisions come from on looking at these guys off the street and then signing them onto the team? Is it Pioli or is it Haley or is it both or is the Man in the Moon also involved?
Agree that they aren’t all just ex-Pats, they’ve gone through guys will different pedigrees. Remember Amani Toomer?
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whearboy, you're right ... BOTH of them need to go bye-bye
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually They've Followed A Very Consistent Pattern That Hasn't Worked
They generally go one of two routes on player acquisitions:
1) Younger “prospect” players that come almost exclusively from the Patriots, Dolphins or Cardinals.
2) Older “name” players that come from around the league (who are almost invariably past their prime).
That shows a worrying trend to me that they’re not able to evaluate young talent outside of the Belichick/Parcells farm system and that they’re not able to figure out when an old player with a big name is no longer capable of performing at an acceptable level in the NFL.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK i will clarify...
Everybody knows that when the Pats drop a player, the Chiefs are usually first in line to get him. Since Pioli came from the Pats I am only assuming that those choices come from him. Not many of those players have worked out. I will add the players from Miami to piolis list , pioli is his son in law. Yes, some of thes players are starting for us, but, that doesnt mean they are “working out”.
The players that have direct ties to Haley, have worked out. Because they know his system.
Like Parcels once said..“if you want me to do the cookin, i should be able to buy the groceries”…..or something along those lines.
I just think Pioli is hand picking players for the system in NE…We are not NE and Haley is no Bill Belichick.
by KCinAZ on Nov 10, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which Haley Players Have Worked Out?
Lance Long? The dude’s getting less than 9 yards per reception…that’s worse than Jeff Webb. Monty Beisel? He’s not here anymore. The TEs? All terrible. And the same can be said of pretty much anyone else…the team’s bottom 10 in both offense and defense. I don’t see any difference between the production we get from Haley players and what we get from Pioli players. They pretty much all stink.
Actually, Vrabel’s doing okay so Pioli’s probably got an edge.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VERY disappointed with the TEs.
Get somebody who can block.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lance Long has seen action in two games..
and he was productive in both games and really shows potential. In two games he has caught more passes than J webb did in a season. I may be mistaken, but didnt Wade play under Haley? Wade is at least holding his own returning punts and is a decent reciever. I figured Pope would at least be able to come in and take a starting job from our other shit TEs….I dont know whats going on there….
Ahhh fuck it, who am I kidding…..they all suck…..ima shut up now!….lol
by KCinAZ on Nov 11, 2009 2:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wade made a similar early splash.
Opposing teams seemed to quiet him right down. Maybe it was just a matter of seeing film of him and knowing how to frustrate him.
Long’s a bit more problematical for defenses, I think.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice bet UC
You give a maybe to your haste in judging Haley, anyone else has to denounce their loyalty to the chiefs. Very nice.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm on Haleys side right now..
Just saying, if the raiders beat us by more than 7 I will admit to UC that Haley maybe doesn’t really know what he is doing. The Raiders are one of the most miserable franchises in the NFL. If we have fallen that low (I may have my rose colored glasses on, but I don’t think we are that bad yet) then I will stop defending Haley like I have been doing every week.
If UC loses I will make sure he doesn’t say a negative word about Haley for the rest of the season without the retort “At least he beat the Raiders.” And he will have to disband the bandwagon.
As long as we can beat the Raiders, things can’t really be that bad.
Saying you don’t approve of Haleys coaching style, or think he is doing a bad job doesn’t mean you are not loyal to the Chiefs. I am sure UC and most of the people on his side of the fence are among the most loyal Chiefs fans and have been for many years.
All that being said…
I like Haley. He is the complete opposite of Herm who bugged the hell out of me. He makes players work, and I think he will get better at his coaching duties. However, if we can’t even beat the Raiders once this season then that is just sad.
If its a loss by a fg then I can grudgingly get over it. But if the Chiefs lose by 10 points to the Raiders I’ll be right with UC saying “Listen, we lost twice to the RAIDERS… Yah the RAIDERS.” “Their franchise QB is Interception Russel.”
But being the optimist I am, I am confident with no LJ this time we are taking the Raiders down and UC will put his torch and pitchfork back in the barn where it belongs.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I;ve got the gas can filled up for those torches ... just in case
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
probably starting to turn
to varnish by now, isn’t it? : )
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa
I didn’t say I won’t say a negative word about Haley…just that I’ll retract my demand he be fired.
It’s a friendly bet, not a lobotomy. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
i think most of our opinions are pretty entrenched. this just helps open our minds a bit
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best thing Haley has done for this team
was get it into shape. The worst thing he’s done for it is coached it.
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Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We'll split the difference with you
Perhaps a “prop” bet?
In a rare showing of earnest football debatery the PARADE will pay homage to this fine post with this thought and proposition.
The Haley/Pioli “process” (damn you GMDM for that word) is fair more buy-in-able than the ever spiraling Herm secondary-firstdary philosophy. We’d say the constant tinkering and bandaid ripping is slightly more reassuring than the “well they need to gel through some more losses” edwards method.
That said, this season smacks of thinking you can take franchise which needed to be dissolved and given an expansion team treatment and use traditional means to slowly turn it over. We like the new parts, but they don’t fit with the old parts AT ALL, AT ALL, like it really looks like the good players are almost playing for a different team.
So we don’t even know where to start with the o-line, and the drops are bordering on baffling (“bordering” because Bowe when he does catch the ball now seems to have superhuman abilities). But the offense “could” potentially work in a year or two.
However, the defense? Good god, what the hell man? We mean, what the hell? We dismantled a decent secondary for this? What the hell?
So here is your proposition. (Admittedly, the signs blew our mind with a level of unholy douchetasticness that really we can’t explain in good conscious.) But the Haley experiment is not d.o.a. until he doesn’t win 2 more games (entirely possible, but Herm losing trash time end of season games was impressively bad.)
So instead…
We will join the “Fire ‘the shit out of’ Clancy Pendergast Bandwagon” if we lose this game by any margin.
We mean, Herm’s game plan would be to win this one by three and we’ve only beaten an NFC team that has an owner with the beneficial influence of swine flu. So hoping for more than a squeaker seems unrealistic, but good god is this defense good at shooting ourselves in the foot.
Haley seems to have some talent – He found a Kinkos, Herm couldn’t manage that – but the Clancy thing was lame when he hired him. So far our defense has shown all the growth of team that does not make a centerpiece of its secondary at the expense of every other facet of defense. And while we like Vrabel, Hali, Jackson the promotion of McGraw and Ron Edwards shows Hermesque disillusionment with the talent level of the rest of the NFL.
If this defense can’t limit the Raiders to a beatable situation then yes, Fire the shit out of Clancy Pendergast, fire him into the ground, fire him with actual fire, then put him out and then fire him again, and then once more but only figuratively this time.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
Wow!
That was awsome.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 10, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
The Raiders have a terrible offense, if Clancy can’t keep the Chiefs in the game then he really has problems. The secondary is bad, the linebackers are ok, but I really hoped for more with the draft picks we have spent on them. However, remembering last seasons horrific pass rush, I would have to say the rush is slightly better. I’ll join that bandwagon if I see 1 more 85+ yard touchdown pass this season. I swear, I don’t mind getting picked to death with 5 yard gains. The way we play the run, if we had some decent coverage we would stop a lot of offenses in our conference.
But the Haley experiment is not d.o.a. until he doesn’t win 2 more games
If the Chiefs lose to the Raiders do we really see them winning 2 more games? I don’t. In my opinion, barring a overtime or game ending fg kick kind of situation, another loss to the Raiders will be a turning point when it comes to my attitude toward Haley.
I want him to succeed, I really do and I defend his decisions all the time, but he really needs to beat the Raiders this weekend.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Can't Really Accept Your Bet
Because I was firmly on the Fire Clancy bandwagon the instant he was hired. And unless Clancy can somehow turn this team into a top 10 defense, I will not climb off of it. But it’s a good counter-proposal so if you want to make a side bet.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take it a step further
and pretty much overhaul the entire coaching staff under Haley. And I’d say the new one should include an OC and QBC. Haley should concentrate on becoming an HC when he grows up. This is what I’ve been calling for and if Haley’s willing to do that, then I’d be very interested to see what he can do.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If He Were To Do That
I’d re-consider my opinion of him, even if I won the bet. It would at least show that he’s starting to hold himself accountable for the team’s performance in deed as well as word.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree.
Haley is saying all the right things – that he is responsible to produce wins, not expectations – but all coaches say that. The question is whether he is willing to back up those words with deeds. If he is really willing to bring in an OC with whom he can work for next season, that will go a long way towards convincing me that he really is capable of holding himself to the same standard he expects from his players.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!!! FIRE the shit out of Pendergast....
There’s no way Haley is getting fired this year or the next.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you what I'm in favor of......
More Parade posts.
Rec’d
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL and rec'd!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the bet...
I haven’t exactly endorsed Haley but I haven’t cast him to the wolves quite yet either. I still think any judgments thus far on him are in part due to emotional over reaction I can see where the fissure between support and revile exist…
by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 1:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
lets say we hired cowher and not haley this past spring
and cowher only had a win or two right now. would some be ready to fire him?? or would some people be singing a different tune???
by jayball09 on Nov 10, 2009 2:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cowher is a proven coach
Haley is not.
Let’s not forget that important difference.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'd be saying "The game has passed him by" and ...
… upamtn and UCrawford would have a zillion anti-Cowher incidents to cite as evidence, and they’d be betting us now on some sort of silly bandwagon-jumper thing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent point jayball
it would prob be a different tune, but the reasons are that cowher would not be mismanaging the games so much, not putting up controversial signs as messages to the team, role playing as tuna, firing coordinators right before the reg season starts, practically having strokes on the sideline due to temper tantrums, etc etc etc.
Kinda hard to compare. cowher has already been there and done it successfully for years, won a super bowl, etc. so everyone would generally accept failure for a longer period of time. In all fairness to UC, I think these previously stated Haley shortcomings are why he has taken the stance that he has, more than anything.
Some guys just naturally command respect. They have that “X factor” quality, as cowher does. Haley doesnt seem to have the “pulse of the men” just yet and has no head coaching exp., plus…as 2.7 pointed out….never played the game. so… his room for error is going to be a lot smaller than a guy who is already thought of as one of the best.
At least in the players and the fans eyes.
That being said…UC, I love the bet and you’re right. it would be unacceptable to lose to those clowns twice but at the same time, i still say he’s a first time head coach. Let him learn, see where he takes us in a year or two. He’s a smart guy and I think he knows he needs to change/fix his mistakes. Plus, he’s got a pretty good evaluator of talent helping out..
by be cee on Nov 10, 2009 5:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
be cee, regarding "a pretty good evaluator of talent" I have two words for you ...
Mike + Goff
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot
Bobby + Engram
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amani Toomer
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not taking the bet
And thinking this is pure silliness.
My perspective on watching this years debacle comes from having been part of management teams that have raised businesses from the dead. So far, I like the approach that has been taken, I think most of the things I’ve seen were necessary and I still believe we are on the right track. There is still a lot of work to be done, lots of decisions to make, but you can’t overcome ten years of bad decisions in a few months. You can only make a start, and we have made a start. So far there isn’t much pretty about it, but I see signs of life.
I will also say this is precisely what I’ve been expecting out of UC ever since I’ve been reading AP. :-)
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.
by Zodeman on Nov 10, 2009 6:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
yessir,
It seems like UC was in a bind & willing to make a deal, whether its in Georgia or KC! :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
More like I just thought I’d turn my contempt for Haley into a potentially fun game for AP. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And it has been fun,
I was just referencing an old Charlie Daniels classic that Zodeman’s comment made me think of but instead of jumping on a hickory stump, you’re talking about a bandwagon full of souls!
Still having fun! :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Zodeman
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zode: So how many years are you giving them?
…lots of decisions to make, but you can’t overcome ten years of bad decisions in a few months.
That’s right, 10 years of bad decisions. So, when will we see some light at the end of this “losing” tunnel? 2010? 2011?
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be the 2011 season
when Chiefs will reach the Super Bowl. Unfortunately the world ends the week before that. :-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 10, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think
we will begin to see light at the end of the tunnel before this year is over. There will be a core of players who come together and start to make things happen.
But when it comes right down to it…I’ve given them 40 years to win another Superbowl and I’m ready to give them another 40.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.
by Zodeman on Nov 11, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I don't know what to think anymore.
It’s crystal clear though that Haley has NOT been a good decision maker thus far. Now Ty Law is a Bronco…cuz…you know…we didn’t need someone like him…after all we have Kenny Smith or if he fails…there’s plenty of unemployed wino’s down by the railroad station that need work.
I would have to say at this point; if Pioli and Haley have some magic “plan”, I’d like to see it. Cuz it would be the greatest magic trick ever. If they can pull a rabbit out of this hat…well, they flat out deserve all the accolades they’ve receieved and even more. That would make them the most dynamic duo ever in the NFL IMO.
So far Haley has taken a condemned building…(the chiefs) and managed to destroy it even worse than last year. Listen, Let’s be real… ok? REALLY REAL for a second.
Are any of you able to tell me that when you watch teams like Miami who don’t have a lot of talent, which they sure dont’, they have some, but not a lot, on when you watch them run their offense and defense, that my friends is a super coached team. That’s what getting every last inch of talent out of each and every player is about right there.
Talk about getting your lackluster guys to really really play at a high level. Watch Miami. God their like a way better coached version of the Chiefs. They drop passes, they throw interceptions, they fumble. They give up long plays, and yet like us against Baltimore, they always make it interesting and play above their talent level. Oh and before you blast me…go to NFL.com and look at dropped passes this year..yah we got 3 in the top ten..but notice who’s right there with us…pssssttttt (it’s Miami)!
When I watch other teams play ball, even less talented teams, their just better coached. Their smooth. You can tell they KNOW their assignments. You really think MIke Brown was that stupid? Or do you think the whole damn ship is off course and lost in the Bermuda triangle? It’s possible both, but it sure as hell isn’t just him, it’s our coaching staff. They suck.
Big Ben Roethlisberger has been THE most sacked QB over the past 4 years…THE MOST!! Yet he is just a great QB so he shines thru DESPITE the sacks and hurry’s. Aaron Rodgers….well you know the deal there this year. Howcome no matter what other teams have to over come, they can find ways and we can’t? Huh??
At some point you have to lay the responsibility where it belongs…on those who chose to take that responsiblity on….Namely…Haley and Pioli…I have seen nothing but more of the same this year from them both as we had with Peterson and Herm. For God sakes, we lost over half our games in the last 2 minutes or by less than a touchdown last year….all Haley had to do was work with what was already here and just tweek the end of game errors we made all last year and we would be a 4 win team already…
Sorry folks…ain’t buying the whole Haley is doing the right thing crap. If he was it would show…somewhere….maybe we would have only 2 wins..who cares…but somewhere it would show on the field.
by krayfish on Nov 10, 2009 7:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"all Haley had to do was work with what was already here and just tweek the end of game errors we made all last year and we would be a 4 win team already:
at least 3 and maybe 4 … that’s the best point you’ve made all year, kray, and VERY true … this isn’t rebuilding, it’s tearing down, complete and utter destruction … and that’s a shame
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
110% agree
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Nov 10, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying keep things the same, maybe add a few key FAs and just hope we do better?
Let’s see, that sounds familiar. Wait, that’s because that’s what King Carl did for the last 20 years and it got us exactly ZERO Super Bowls to show for it. We were dog poo bad the last 2 years so Clark Hunt went out and got the best GM canidate on the market to come in and build us a winner from the ground up, not by nickel and diming the total suck fest we’ve had the last few years, like you guys are saying he should of. I’ll take another year of pain this year if in the long run it means we build a team that can actually win it all.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed porkchop
Pioli made it clear he’s interested in building championship teams, not just winning teams. I believe Joe Poz had an article about Carl that said he wanted to build teams that could win 10 or 11 games regularly. I’m willing to give Pioli and Haley some time.
"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." ~Oscar Wilde
by Big Chief on Nov 10, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe no one told you
But in order to win a championship, you DO have to win some games.
Maybe thats Pioli’s problem. Maybe he’s trying to take a shortcut??
by ChiefDJ on Nov 10, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe no one told you
that guys like Johnson and Parcells had terrible years in their first seasons. By your logic they would of been canned after their first seasons and neither team would of become Super Bowl winners.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Porkchop - I never said we should go the "Old King Carl" FA route
quite the opposite – I wanted MORE of Herm’s young players and was looking forward to another draft like we had in 2008 …
but think about your comment: “add a few key FA’s and hope we do better” … ummm, excuse me, that’s PRECISELY what Pioli is doing , and he’s nickel and dimed this team even further into the ground, just when I thought it couldn’t be done … no love for Peterson here, he was great in conjunction with Marty (and to a lesser extent, Grampa Vermeil) but out-stayed his welcome by 3 years at least, and ruined things for Herm for at least 2 of those years
no, Herm had the foundation in place, Pioli has broken it into itty bitty pieces and the mess still hasn’t been cleaned up
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes no sense to me
So you’re saying you pay Pioli to make him one of the highest paid execs in the NFL, but you tell him that he can’t use his personnel experience and blue print for winning Super Bowls, he has to use Herm’s guys even if they don’t fit the style or scheme Pioli wants for the team.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
What they’re saying is that he has to use the resources he has available and should only discard those resources when he’s got something better to replace them with instead of living in some magic fantasyland where Belichick’s scraps will suddenly turn into legitimate NFL starters once they sign with the Chiefs.
Haley and Pioli have spent way too much time this season (and the offseason) acting like players that they didn’t bring in couldn’t possibly be good enough to play for the Chiefs, and frankly they brought in a lot of shit players who weren’t better than the guys they dumped. That’s arrogance…and not just arrogance, but stupid arrogance.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue
that they knew that there was no way to upgrade the talent enough to be good in just one season (especially with a shortened off season) so they decided what they could accomplish this year was establish the mind set of the team. If guys do not fit the attitude and work ethic they are looking for then they are showing them the door. That way the “culture” they are wanting will already be established when they add more talent over the next few seasons. That is how you ultimately reach the top. Making guys that don’t buy in to what you are preaching part of the long term plan would destroy your credibility. Why should anybody buy into what you are trying to do if they see that you are letting “talented” players get away with not doing it. Compare guys like Dorsey and DJ. DJ is a perfect fit for the ILB spot in the 3-4. By all reports he came into camp in shape. Then there’s Dorsey. He has no natural fit in the 3-4 and came into camp looking like a fat turd. If they were just going by “arrogance” then Dorsey would be the one not seeing the field much because he doesn’t fit the scheme that they want to run. However, that’s not the case. Dorsey has bought in and worked his butt off and they are using him (not “acting like he couldn’t possibly be good enough”). Then there’s DJ a player whose reputation for not being consistant well predates Pioli and Haley. He’s not seeing the field as much. Your telling me this is because of Haley and Pioli’s arrogance and not because of DJ’s consistancy? I still haven’t heard a good answer to the question “Why does DJ get a pass for all the plays he has taken off while wearing a Chief uniform, but Haley gets reamed for not playing him every down?”
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec Fine arguement for the what are the doing crowd :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 11, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, The Tally So Far
That’s butchcassidy, Scootness, Leaf, Buck’O, upamtn, GanjaChief, and LucasJr betting against me. DTR, Nate and Sam betting with me :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 7:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm already on your side with Haley UC..
by krayfish on Nov 10, 2009 7:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Want In On The Bet, Then
If we lose, you and I have to jump off the Fire Haley bandwagon…if we win, we get six more AP commenters as company. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yah and AFTER we lose to the Raiders...
I’ll wash and wax the bus and get it ready for texas Chief to drive…
by krayfish on Nov 10, 2009 7:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will take the bet
but if I lose I am writing a “Damn UCrawford” post.
I always knew you were the devil UC…
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 10, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
I’m with the Parade. This defense is giving it up easier than a $5 hooker on 1/2 off night. I’ve got some qualms with Haley, sure…but Pendergast isn’t making this team better (nor showing signs of improvement). I’m well aware of your Pendergast disagreements, UC. I can’t say I wasn’t excited to get him in here (reference initial “Hybrid Defense” discussion), but it’s far past the point of redemption.
If we give up more than 250 yards and 14 points to the Raiders, Pendergast is done in my book. As a defensive guy, that speaks volumes about a head coach. I won’t join any bandwagons anytime soon, but a poor defensive performance this week (barring a garbage time stat explosion, but even I don’t agree with that) could shift my line more to your side of the Haley perspective, UC.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Nov 10, 2009 8:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And I'm with you, Kalo.
I’m sorely disappointed in the performance of our defense. It never fails—immediately after taking two steps forward, a player/unit/the whole damn defense takes two steps back. Yeah, we added some spare parts this offseason and switched looks and schemes…SUPPOSEDLY…yet I haven’t seen a lot of progress.
If anything, we’ve become “somewhat” more consistent tacklers. Like Brandon Flowers, we are officially lost in the Pendergast Zone—not a happy place to be.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 10, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We ditched cover-2. Struggling with the transition.
Hate seein’ the S be slow to the ball/ball-carrier. But I’m OK with what Pendergast is trying to do. I’d rather my weaknesses be exposed giving up the big play here and there than have my weaknesses exposed by death of 1000 cuts. I want a KC D that shows no respect to the opposition, rather than playing in fear of it.
Another NT and another DB and we might be singin’ a different tune.
Could KC have built on what they had? Sure. But long-term, they’re going a smarter route. They’re fully transitioned to 3-4 (with some oddities in their nickel sets), for better or worse. They’re no longer trying to do one thing with player x on the field and something entirely different with player y on the field. They actually have a pair of NT’s they can rotate. Maybe not GREAT NT’s, but they’re NT’s!!! Dorsey and Jackson’s jobs got easier when Tyler left and Smith arrived.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haley will be coaching the Raiders next year
while Tom Cable recovers at Betty Ford
by krayfish on Nov 10, 2009 8:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
oh please! ohhhhhhh please plese please please PLEASE let it happen!!!!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no because that might be another case of someone leaving the chiefs and being sucessful
can’t have that. not with the raiders
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Leaf, just a fast 2-point rebuttal
1) I don’t think Haley is a good HC, so I can’t see him having success, esp with a poor team
2) we’re talking the Raiders … Al Davis … please, who could be a success there?
===============
wondering if this is the most comments for a non-game-thread … hey Joel? Chris? what’s the record?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft threads were pretty damn big.
On a completely unrelated note…
WTF is with Sammi Sosa?
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's Older And He's No Longer On Roids
Looks like he’s put on a little weight since his playing days as well which can change the shape of your face a bit.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and now he's white?
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just Paler
He’s not playing 80 some day games per year anymore.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
upamtn, just a fast 2-point counter
1.) think is the key word in your first rebuttal
2.) with our luck lately it will most defiantly come back and bite us in the ass.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
touche, Leaf
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I slept on this thought last night I had this idea...
This type of betting is fun and this post has taken us away from that dreaded name that has been all over the front page the last two weeks, 2.7 himself. Without putting up the traditional wager, money, I did point out the victory would be hollow, why don’t you guys think about something else.
If Haley loses to the Raiders by a touchdown or less, correct me if I’m wrong on his original bet, then the losers of the bet have to purchase and wear some type of Raider paraphernalia while sporting a lipstick red painted face and wearing a hula skirt. And to prove it, you have to post your picture on AP before the next game. Bandwagon in tow, that part should also remain.
What about them apples?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
your offer is a bit of a paradox. Anyone willing to put their fanhood and manhood on the shoulders of Todd Haley would never agree to petition for his removal. And you really shouldn’t take advantage of people that crazy in the first place. lol
by ChiefsDude on Nov 10, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about the other side of the bet
what if the chiefs win. what does UC and his crew have to do.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Have To Publicly Retract My Position That Haley Should Be Fired
Which I will do in a FanPost with a shoutout to everyone who took my bet. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my idea was for the loser(s) of the bet take the picture and post...lol
but really, if the Chiefs win by 7 or more, are there any losers? :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
That’s why it’s win-win for me. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there
since the raiders are going to lose
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i was trying to say that
there’s only one win in it for me but that’s ok since the raiders are going to lose
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna make the bet
Hey, KC might come out and play a good game and still lose. It happens: injuries, turnovers, dropped passes, bad calls by the officials, etc., can all intervene. Plenty of games every year where one team gets lucky with a couple of defensive and special teams TD’s, the other team moves the football up and down the field but doesn’t convert TD’s in the red zone, loses by a point.
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 10, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
I won’t demand that anyone join in. It’s really just for fun anyway.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me as
one that puts a 2×4 full of nails in front and back of each tire of the FIRE HALEY bandwagon!
I just dont get the idea of how anyone, even after reading your novel of such, could want to fire Coach right now~ He inherited a team that was left on the pile of cowchit behind the barn, and has started shoveling it away piece by piece~
Lets let him get to the bottom of the pile and then see what happens, lets not try and get him fired with a shovel full of chit!
lol
What do LAWYERS and SPERM have in common?
One in TEN MILLION make a HUMAN!
by Kansan_Chief on Nov 10, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So You're Taking The Bet Against Me And The Bandwagon?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pass on the bet
and I think the whole concept, while a bit funny, is just silly.
We all know that Haley won’t be fired, even if he losses the rest of the games this season. This isn’t Oakland and Pioli isn’t Al Davis. We won’t change coaches every year, not happening.
The bandwagon is stuck in the mud for at least another 12 months.
UC, I am with you on the passionate hatred of the Raiders.
by Ribs59 on Nov 10, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Of Course It's Silly
For all the joking, it’s not like anyone can really bet away their opinion. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way I'm lettin' a bet shut ME up!!!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me in as well
after seeing the Chiefs play in person twice and the second time look worse and to a lesser opponent I don’t see the improvement that I thought we were going to get. I remember convos/posts during the offseason that we were mostly if not overall ok w/ losing week in week out if the team showed improvement and that we were moving forward in build ing a winning team but I just don’t see it.
IMHO, Herm would’ve been better for this season, ugh it hurts to say that, but at least he would’ve been given 2 years to truly rebuild and most of the draft picks on defense would’ve been playing in a system they were drafted to play in and not cut/wasted/forced to play in a system that they never played in. Also last year Herm was at least willing to let Gailey change the offense to suit the players and Haley isnt willing to do that, yet.
So UC count me in on the Fire Haley Bandwagon.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Done...So You're Betting With Me In This Wager Then?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, and i'll change my tag line as well
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Nov 10, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding
If it’s not too much hassle, I hope the others could add that to their tagline as well (at least until the bet’s over). It would make this a lot easier to track.
No worries if they don’t, though.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry... but no bet, UC
Although I will echo the comments of other posters that this is quite an entertaining thread.
I am closer to your “side” of this than I am to the other; I am hardly a Todd Haley fan. Nor do I buy into the idea that Haley “deserves” a chance to make it work. He deserves… nothing. The only people who “deserve” anything are Chiefs fans.
As I pointed out in another thread just a few minutes ago – sorry for for the duplication, but it bears repeating – I simply believe it would be folly to replace Haley as HC after one season. If he hadn’t made wholesale changes to the roster to accomodate the schemes he wanted, it might be a different thing. But he did. The Chiefs have no choice but to let this play out for at least another season, or things will get even worse.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Glad You Liked It
And no worries…I’d never ask an AP brother to bet more than they’re willing to lose. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will put it in my sig
Ill take the bet. I actually dislike Haley immensely but I also know he just hasnt had enough time to adjust to the speed of being an all-in-one coach. That , in of itself, is another reason why I dislike him. His play calling is a joke. Isnt Romeo Crennel back from whatever injury kept him from coaching? He could very easily sign him as OC. His treatment of the players sucks. If I pulled my best salesman off the front lines (so to speak) just to make a point ; the only result would be a bad day in sales. If Haley wants to take on more responsibility, he should have made himself DC instead of OC. I would think anyone could do a better job at calling the defense than Pendergast.
Joe
by pokerjoe on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but come on... if we get smoked by the Raiders?
This isn’t a “Do you like Haley or not” thing. Its a “How will you like me if I let the Raiders smoke you” thing.
I will be pissed at Haley if we get beat by 7+ by the Raiders. Pissed enough to jump on the bandwagon. That doesn’t mean I don’t want the guy to succeed or don’t like the guy. It won’t even mean I will really even want him fired at the end of the season, he will have a chance to win me back. It just means that I’m willing to put Haley on the line here as the most defining moment as his head coaching career thus far. I think he will win and UC will be silenced! At least for awhile.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Not Silenced
But I’ll retract my “Haley should be fired” position publicly.
I’ll still criticize the guy when I think he screws up, though.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats alright
no sigs, and no calling for firing… opinions on his mistakes are fine
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I will put in my sig “Haley should not be fired” and will leave it there for the remainder of the season. Figure that’s reasonable. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yah thats what i meant
no firing sigs
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By That Token, Though
Everyone who loses the bet should be required to put “Fire Haley Now” in their signature block. And by everyone who loses I only mean those who actually took the bet (all you fence-sitters are safe). :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup thats fair... i'll do it if i lose
but i wont. FAITH!
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For What It's Worth
I hope you don’t lose either. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm impressed UC :)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd, funny stuff
But I’ll retract my “Haley should be fired” position publicly.
I’ll still criticize the guy when I think he screws up, though.
See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"
by KC Nate on Nov 10, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL so what happens if we win but not by a TD? I have to admit Id be pretty happy for a “W” against the Raiders even if it was by 1 point. Id love the guy to succeed but Im not gonna live forever. I need to see my Chiefs win right NOW. I dont have time for them to give Haley 3 years, then fire him, then start over. Id like to see them start over again immediately or make the necessary changes to win if Haley cannot beat the sorry ass Raiders. Getting swept by that organization would be the absoluet worst.
Joe
I will call for Haleys head if we cant beat the Raiders by a TD.
-My arrangement with UCrawford
by pokerjoe on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we win but not by a td, then its a draw
same with a loss.. everyone does their own thing in that case…
what we really were going for was a “bad” loss or win without making it unreachable.
Lets be honest. Both teams have trouble scoring points. If we win or lose by a touchdown that is a blowout in this game. :-)
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that's exactly what you're asking. Perhaps you mean you'd never insist?
And no worries…I’d never ask an AP brother to bet more than they’re willing to lose.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll think this one over.
I’m right in the middle of these sides—I like what Haley’s tried to accomplish, I just think he’s gone about a lot of it in the wrong way. But more importantly, I don’t really like the idea of putting my Chiefs soul up for grabs…with the Pendergast Zone there to protect it…
But I like your wager, UC. We’ll see. When’s the cutoff date?
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 10, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Before Kickoff
We’ve got the timestamp at the bottom of posts for an honesty check. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
people bring up jimmy johnson's 1st year
constantly but does anyone remember that the guy he is modeled after only won 3 games his first year. i’m pretty sure there were players and fans who thought parcells was arrogant and pig headed and would never make a good coach but he stayed the course and the rest, as they say, is history. he needs this full year plus an offseason where he is not worried about getting moved and acclimated to the building, etc before he can truly be judged. like i’ve said all along…if next year at the halfway point we are looking like a team with no direction or improvement, i’ll jump on the bandwagon but until then, i’ll reserve my judgment
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 10, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thing About The Johnson Comparisons
Johnson had a boatload of first day picks from the Herschel Walker trade to rebuild with. The Chiefs don’t.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's why i thought parcells' first year was a better comparison
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 10, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so
that just means it takes more then 2 years to make the SB
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p
by Leaf on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One Can Only Hope :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but the coaching success of Belichick depended on him LEARNING on the fly. The ability to learn from your mistakes the first time or two takes intelligence. Haley does not have that level of intelligence. Some kids touch the hot stove so often that the parents eventually just bar them from the kitchen when the stove is on. Those are the short bus kids and we have a short bus coach.
Joe
by pokerjoe on Nov 10, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well since you are talking about parcells
he was d coordinator of the same team a year before being head coach. he knew the personnel. they knew him. they still only won 3 games. he stayed the course he knew he needed to stay on and he got better as a coach each year. the results speak for themselves.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea what you're referring to since i was talking about bill parcells
but since you brought up belichick, he had a pretty rough 5 year stretch in cleveland before getting fired, going back to big bill p for a d coordinator’s job in new york before going to new england, going 5-11 in his first year there and struggling his second year until he was forced to play some unknown qb named brady. the decision he made, that was brilliant by the way, was to keep playing brady after bledsoe was healthy. haley is a very smart guy and i believe he knows where this team is weak and he is learning what he’s capable of doing.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Dramatic Interpretation of UC's Offer
UC (Dressed in Black and speaking like James Earl Jones): “You Don’t Know the Power of the Dark Side! Come, join me, and together we can destroy Todd Haley and rule AP side by side.” (extends hand)
KCporkchop (In an overdramatic half cry / half yell): “NO! IT’S NOT TRUE! I’LL NEVER JOIN YOU!” (throws self down air shaft)
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 9:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
To Which UC Replies
“I am your father. Now everyone give KCporkchop a hand.” :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be okay KCporkchop!
With you may the Force be! :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then there was the time when a VERY Young Luke Skywalker was trying to eat his salad with a spoon ...
… and he was told: “Luke … use the forks, Luke … use the forks!”
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm conflicted.
Couple points:
1) Beating a terrible Oakland team does not make Haley a good coach. A terrible coach should be able to beat this Oakland team and I put the last Oakland loss on Coach Clancy’s soft zone defense to end the game. That being said, hiring Coach Clancy was (probably) Haley’s decision
2) Then what? We start all over again next year? Assume Haley promotes within as an interm coach for the rest of they year we would hire another hot shot guru like Frazier or Garret, we have to go through another year cutting good players because they aren’t “Frazier guys” or “Garret Guys”…Look, I’m not a fan of Haleys but lets see him out. This team is terrible, I’d rather have him learn with a shitty team and hopefully as the team gets better, so will he.
I’ll probably get on the “Fire Haley” bandwagon in this offseason if this team doesn’t win 4 games. That means Oakland, Cleveland and one other (Buffalo, I’m looking at you) To me, 4 wins is the absolute floor of what should be acceptable, and if Chiefs don’t obtain it, blow up the entire coaching staff
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I will take your bet, good sir
And throw in bottle of mountain dew on the wager, if you would? Thankyoucomeagain
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There'd Be No Way For Me To Pay Up
Assuming you’re in Kansas/Missouri. I’m in Arizona.
Actually, I’ll be back in the Lawrence/KC area for Christmastime…so maybe we can work something out. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im in Rochester, NY
And keep in mind that a touchdown is 6 points. Just saying
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think for our purposes it is 7
the bet is 7 or more points anyways.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, i thought it was more than a touchdown
Not a touchdown or more
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touchdown Or More
So 7 points or more.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will go to battle on the side of Porkchop...
after his Kool-Aid post. That was the most relevant piece I have read this season.
Put me down for the bet. I am currently pro-Haley, but I am lingering. I have to agree that a loss to OAK by more than 7pts would send him spiraling in my mind.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
by Red Shadow on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Shadow
but be careful dealing with the “Dark Side”. Let’s say the Raiders blow us out by 20 points. UC will have all you guys now on his fire Haley bandwagon. So what if the Chiefs then turn around and win their three home games vs Den., Buff., and Clv. I’m just guessing that the “Devil” probably won’t let anyone have their “Chiefs soul” back if you change your mind later this season.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only on the "Fire Clancy" bandwagon.
This “Fire Haley” thing is absolutely ridiculous…at an elementary level. You guys are complaining over a damn sign which perfectly applies to this team. The Chiefs are losers..their record indicates such. They haven’t learned how to play as a team all season.
As for Haley’s mistakes, he’s a rookie head coach. He’ll eventually learn, and you can’t blame him for the injury-riddled offensive line or excuse the piss poor play of it. If you give him more to work with, I’m sure he will blossom into a decent head coach. If we gave Herm Edwards three years, we HAVE to give Haley the same amount of time.
I keep seeing things like: “I know a bad coach when I see one.” Are any of you coaches? I highly doubt you could win one game with this sorry excuse for a team.
by SupremeChief on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree the Fire Haley thing is rediculous...
However I can not pass on the chance for UC to start singing Haleys praises. And face it, we have to beat the raiders. Have to. Lose 2 games in one season to that!?
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Now
Let’s not go crazy here…I’m not suddenly going to start blowing smoke up everyone’s ass just because I lose a bet. This is only for whether or not Haley should be fired.
Like I said, it’s a bet…not a lobotomy. :)
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah sure....
Yeah thats what I meant. Mwahahaha…
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not. What's the point of a second?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.
per Dorothy Parker
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 11, 2009 1:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone seems to forget our defensive line was abysmal last season and needed attention.
The offensive line also needed attention…and about four other positions needed attention. Plus, we needed depth. That’s A LOT of ground to cover in one offseason. It didn’t help the staff was hired a tad late. I’m being as realistic as possible…
This is not a good team. You see coaches struggle managing bad teams all the time in the NFL. That does not make them bad coaches. Look at Norv Turner with the Raiders and Norv Turner with the Chargers. Now that he has a bit of talent, he has become more successful.
by SupremeChief on Nov 10, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its the raiders...
Don’t think I’m asking for to much. One win against this years raiders.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is just as bad as the Raiders. The games are always close with both teams equally sucking.
It’s a stalemate at this point.
by SupremeChief on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then we should win 1 of those games
if we are really that even then we should split.
If we don’t then we are worse (arguably, but technically so). If we are worse than the Raiders then wow. Their franchise QB is Interception Russel. Someone who has never looked good in the NFL. Not even for 1 single game.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Their QB sucks, but their offensive line sure does a better job of protection.
How can we expect to score if their defensive line/linebackers are always in our QB’s face?
by SupremeChief on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
norv turner
looks like he took a mace to the face. therefore, because of that reason alone, he sucks as a head coach and always will.
by CHIEFER on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am also on the fire clancy bandwagon
too many big plays given up this year idc how bad mike brown is. sims walker himself said our defense was predictable and easy to gameplan against. MEH.
as for the firing of todd haley. yes, i admit, i hate the 3rd and 6 halfback delays out of shotgun. but you cant give up on todd yet and neither will scott pioli. it is clear to me pioli is in this with haley. even if we go 1-15 and lose to the raiders this week, scott isnt going to fire haley.
BUT and this is a very big BUT- i am taking this bet because like the rest of you, the notion of seeing UCrawford favoring Haley would satisfy me more than 25 bong rips after we lose this week.
i hope we win, and we better win. theres no reason we shouldnt, even with mcfadden and schilens coming back to play, they have nobody we cant stop. and now that we have chambers to add another dimension and give them another WR to gameplan against, somebody is gonna be open.
how about this. if sean ryan drops another ball UC, will you ride shotgun of the RELEASE SEAN RYAN bandwagon? cuz im definitely driving that. i cant stand to see that fuck drop another ball. i cant.
by CHIEFER on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give Haley more time
1. Was empowering Pendergast as D coordinator a mistake? Yes with exceptions. I think Haley had little choice in hiring Pendergast in the first place. Arizona clearly didn’t want him for good reason but who else was out there at the time?
2. Was firing Gailey a mistake? Absolutely, yes. They had 50 practices with Gailey’s offense going into the final week of the preseason and have still not caught up to that level of preparedness. Haley may have been the better coordinator, but that was irrelevant. It’s critical that he understand this was a mistake.
3. Is it Haley’s fault the talent pool on his team was scarce? No.
4. Was Haley’s system a good fit for the coaches and players he had? Of course not. But his coaches did and exceptionally poor job of adapting themselves and the players to it. Those coaches that haven’t adapted well should be replaced.
If Pioli believes in Haley’s system, then I think he has to give Haley a chance to react to this season’s failures. Turning things around this season is not going to be feasible, so they just have to learn as much as they can about themselves and take that with a positive attitude into next season. Let’s see how this young coach reacts in the offseason. If he’s not willing to hire (and keep) two new coordinators, then Pioli should shop for a new head coach with a proven record.
by ChiefsDude on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
With That Empassioned Defense
You should be one of the most ardent fans of this bet. Care to wager? :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow
The logic of this bet seems flawed, but alright, I’ll accept it. Arguing against Haley will be far easier than arguing for him anyway.
by ChiefsDude on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re OK with going 1-15 this year and waiting to see if Haley improves next year?
When are enough mistakes enough?
Unfortunately Im not gonna live forever and Id love to see the Chiefs win a SB in my lifetime.
Joe
I will call for Haleys head if we cant beat the Raiders by a TD.
-My arrangement with UCrawford
by pokerjoe on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
few people
would blame Pioli for moving in a different direction after a 1-15 season. I would support the move only if he hired a proven head coach. Cowher and Shanahan are my choices.
But to answer your question, I’m young, and I’d like to see if Haley can grow from this experience. There’s a reason he rose up the ranks so fast. I think there’s a pretty good underdog story in the making here.
by ChiefsDude on Nov 10, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was firing Gailey a mistake? Absolutely, yes.
I disagree. The timing sucks yes, but I don’t think the move itself was a mistake. If you’re working with someone on something and you find your styles/ideas don’t mesh, you don’t prolong the issue. I’d rather have the team learning to do things the way Haley wants them done this year than have them learning a different way, then having to start all over next year.
The mistake came in not hiring another OC or at the very least a QB coach. I imagine Haley delegates responsibilities somewhat but it’s still a lot to handle. Then again, I don’t know what coaches were available by that point that could have helped.
Personally, I think they should have fired Gailey when they came in but (and I can’t remember where I read it now so I won’t blame anyone for not believing it) Clark wanted them to give him a chance.
by bh13 on Nov 10, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Timing Was What Made It A Horrible Decisions
They spent all of OTAs, training camp and most of preseason working on Gailey’s offense, only to scrap it two weeks before the season with an offense they’d had no time to work on with a QB and primary WR who’d had almost no time to work together (also Haley’s fault) and it’s been a disaster zone all season.
By the end of preseason, Haley should have simply manned up and tolerated Gailey for the rest of the year for the good of the team. But he didn’t…and he screwed the entire team. He screwed the QBs who have neither an OC nor a QB coach to fall back on. He screwed the defense, which isn’t good enough to carry games on its own. And he screwed the players on the offense by wasting two months of prep time after he scrapped Gailey’s offense. It’s not a coincidence that the three teams that scrapped their offensive coordinators right before the season (KC, Buffalo, Tampa Bay) have been in the crapper all year, because doing that is a blindingly idiotic move on the part of the head coach and/or GM.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the timing wasn’t ideal, but if he knew it wasn’t going to work between them (or thought that way), why not make the move?
If you keep Gailey all year and it’s not quite what you want, then the players have to learn a whole new system again next year. This way they learn the way Haley wants things done, then next year they can (hopefully) go out and find an OC whose approach is the same to keep things moving forward.
Again, I think the main problem was keeping Gailey in the first place. I imagine, as I believe you’ve said before, that Haley wanted to call plays all along. They should have either told him “OK Todd, it’s all yours and it all falls on your shoulders” or “We think it’s too much for you to handle in your first year, but we’ll let you pick an OC you’re comfortable with.”
by bh13 on Nov 10, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then He Should Have Figured That Out During OTAs.
If he wasn’t absolutely sure he was going to be able to work with Gailey before OTAs started, then he should have gotten rid of Gailey before OTAs. Whether he screwed up by keeping Gailey on or whether he screwed up by firing Gailey when he did (actually, both were pretty bad decisions all things considered), the point is that Haley still screwed up and he screwed over his team with some blindingly bad decision-making in regards to his management of his staff.
And that’s entirely on Haley…so I’ve got no sympathy for him in regards to his offense stinking because he, personally, is a large part of the reason why his offense stinks.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't sure he COULDN'T, and probably agonized over the decision.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That I won't argue
He’s made some mistakes that aren’t helping this team right now. I just hope he learns from them next season.
by bh13 on Nov 11, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else around here realize
That the Chiefs have one of the least talented teams ( as in least talented players) in the league. Yes, even less talent than the Oakland Raiders. I don’t think beating the Raiders by a touchdown or losing by a touchdown should be the deciding factor on Todd Haley as a head coach. More so of Carl Peterson as a GM. Who did Peterson leave for Haley? A punter, Tony G. LJ, Flowers, and an old Waters. The rest of the roster wouldn’t be starters for a lot of the teams in the league. Anyone that was good for Peterson and wanted to get paid were allowed to walk, J. Allen, K. Mitchell, even K. Fox spot-starts for the Steelers.
Atleast Haley & Pioli knew that Succop > Conner Barth so they’ve upgraded one position this year
2009-10 Predictions:
1. Chiefs will win ATLEAST 6 games, which is a big improvement over 6 wins in 2 seasons
2. Succop will bring stability to the K position for the first time in years
3. Chiefs D will atleast double the number of sacks form last season
4. Cassel will be a top 15 QB
5. Todd Haley won't make a poster and jump around holding it up welcoming the Chiefs players to summer camp, I mean TRAINING camp
by Chiefs_KC on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It won't be the deciding factor
It will just sway some of us fans who until now, were set in our opinions. The Raider game IS a big game for a lot of us. This is just away for all of us to meet in the middle this week in a friendly wager. I may still think Haley deserves more time if the Raiders roast us, but I won’t be happy and I’ll hop over the fence to UC’s side and see how it feels. :-)
I still think Haley won’t fail me and we’ll take this game with our new RBs.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen! That is my entire argument.
It is extremely difficult to improve anything with a garbage team. Should they have done more to the o-line? Sure! However, people are overlooking the other numerous needs as well. There were so many holes to fill. It’s definitely not going to fix itself in one offseason.
I say give Haley two more years to sign the players he thinks fit the system. The talent (or lack thereof) out there now is zilch. Why do you think we have to resort to signing scrub players?
by SupremeChief on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the players we all thought were so talented turned out not to be (secondary)
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm painfully aware of the lack of talent
Sure, we didn’t start with much, but as we’ve moved forward, when talent is identified, it gets demoted, waived or traded. With those challenges in mind, I’d say good coaching is even more in demand.
Problem is, we’re still tinkering like it’s pre-season.
On a side note, I’m curious to see what Haley will call on third and long now that LJ is gone.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL draw play up the middle
Joe
I will call for Haleys head if we cant beat the Raiders by a TD.
-My arrangement with UCrawford
by pokerjoe on Nov 10, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think 2 years is just too long if he is consistently getting worse. The most talented people at any position, in any job, have the ability to make the most of their situation. They can make something from nothing. Most people on here are born poor and uneducated. Its their ability to make the most of their situation,work hard, improve, and make something from nothing that has given them the success/education in their lives. This team is no different. Even if Haley inherited a horrible team with no talent as you say, he should be able to coach em up. If he cannot, which he is showing week in and week out, he should go.
Joe
I will call for Haleys head if we cant beat the Raiders by a TD.
-My arrangement with UCrawford
by pokerjoe on Nov 10, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe right, but
he needs another off season to upgrade the talent and enforce his way of doing things if after that the team is still getting worse then even this “Kool Aid” man will be ready to show him the door. I just don’t believe in firing a coach mid year in most cases, so I say 2 full seasons to show some improvement.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too early...
to start betting on Pioli? Doesn’t all this come back to him? The real question will be is he secure enough to hire a coach that’s not a puppet?
by 12t on Nov 10, 2009 11:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I take your bet sir
And I’ll raise you a Davey Jones. If the Chiefs don’t win I will find you 100 souls for your “damned” bus.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take this bet
And I am betting against the Fire Haley bandwagon. As an eternally optimistic Chefs fan, I feel more or less obligated to do so. I was really excited about Haley at first, but have cooled on him as the weeks have passed and the losses and playcalling mistakes have added up. Still, I think the team and the coaching are getting better, even if it is one step forward and two steps back sometimes.
If we get blown out by the Raiders, simultaneously my most hated team and one of the biggest laughingstocks in football, I will have to seriously consider my support of The Todd. I may not be as vehement as some of you guys, but I would live up to my end of the bargain if I lost this bet.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nice comment, Uni - as a long-standing denizen of The Dark Side (translation: The Devil's Bandwagon) gotta respect your stance and your word
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im in
I want in on the fire haley bandwagon!!
I will one up it….if we lose by TWO touchdowns or more I will promote Herm the Germs work as Chiefs coach…I will say fire haley and hire herm back!!!
Come on haley prove your worth or ap is turning on you….or atleast the ones accepting the bet.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 10, 2009 12:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Oh man
I wouldn’t advocate rehiring Herm if we lost by 80.
Unless we were hiring him as DB coach or maybe even DC. I think he would make a great position coach, but a coordinator job is probably the limit of his coaching ability.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a high school coach
he might be a good head coach or possibly even small college because he is a good teacher & the kids in those programs need a buddy type & a mentor rather than a coach.
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
There was talk in another thread about him probably being better suited to college coaching. I wholeheartedly agree. I think he should try that when he’s done being a TV analyst. I think he’d love it.
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Rocky! I mean, Matt!!!
hell, if Crawford doesn’t take you up on that one, I sure as hell will! LOL … wtg, Matt, looks like kray is finally getting to you
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 10, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Obviously you didn’t see my rants about Herm last year. No way I want that guy back.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wuss!!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 10, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we beat the Raiders..
I’ll dress up like LJ’s woman….and u guys can beat me like a pinata!! ole’
by krayfish on Nov 10, 2009 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather you dress up like 2.7 himself
I dare you to find a pink trucker hat that big. I have no idea where he found it. Maybe he had it custom made?
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So the spread here is -7 huh?
*The Chiefs have won their last six trips to Oakland and are seeking to become the fi rst team in NFL history to win seven consecutive road games against the Raiders.
*Kansas City owns a 10-4 (.692) regular season record at Oakland since ‘95 and hasn’t lost at that venue since 2002.
*However, five games during the Chiefs six-game victory string at Oakland have been decided by just seven points or less. KC owns a 126-to-86 margin over that six-game span, an average margin of victory of just 6.7 points per game.
*Regardless of site, Kansas City has won 10 of the last 13 contests in this AFC West feud. While KC has been dominant in the Chiefs-Raiders series of late, 11 outings during that 13-game stretch have been decided by seven points or less.
*Just 31 total points (263-232) separate the two teams over that 13-game span, meaning the average margin in those games has been just 2.9 ppg.
*Dating back to 2001, 13 of the last 17 games in this series have been decided by seven points or less.
by be cee on Nov 10, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not the biggest Whitlock supporter to hater but
They (Pioli and Haley) remind me a little bit of legacy frat boys. Those guys never change. They think success is their birthright and people without their bloodlines are beneath them.
– Jason Whitlock
The childish sign they posted at the practice facility is an indication Pioli and Haley are in no mood to do any self-evaluation. They know exactly what they’re doing. And if you question them, you’re a loser.
– Jason Whitlock
Whitlock wrote what’s been on my mind. Despite that, I’m not saying I am a Whitlock fan.
UCrawford. I am not sure where your “Fire Haley” bandwagon is at, mine is close the finish line since I started in week 2 losing to the worst QB in the league JaDonut. And then getting blown out at home AGAIN to SD kinda fuel my wagon NOs (Nitrous). Anyway, its good to see you’re starting another one.
KC will not win another game this season. It’s a joke to think Haley can get the squad up to play in Oakland when he can’t even get them to play at home in week 2 against a hated division rival and then allowing the blowout to SD.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My "Fire Haley" Bandwagon Started After The Signs
As far as I’m concerned, Whitlock’s right about them. But if Haley starts making smart decisions (like hiring a QB coach) and starts getting the team to play better then I’m willing to give him more time.
And yes…losing to a QB who plays as badly as JaMarcus Russell did against us is unacceptable. If they drop two to the Raiders this year, as far as I’m concerned Haley is beyond redemption.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I Won't Predict We Go Winless The Rest Of The Year
After all, we’ve still got Oakland, Cleveland and Buffalo on the schedule and all three of them reek. Even the worst team in the NFL has a shot at winning one of those games.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Cleveland but I doubt it
Here’s a photo from my office – with Odds on which team most likely to land the 1st overall pick in 2010 NFL Draft
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I reading this right?
If you bet on the Chiefs, you would have to throw up 4 dollars to win 1 dollar? That is ridiculous.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 10, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gatsby
Yup, you read it correct. Odds show that KC looks to have the best shot at winding up 1-15 – securing their shot at the 1st Overall Pick in 2010 NFL Draft
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would bet anyone...
that the Chiefs wont finish 1-15
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the 4-to-1 odds.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not 4-1
its 1-4… HUGE difference. Like an 800% difference.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 11, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what side you look at it from.
People don’t say “1 to 4”. It’s always “4 to 1”.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 13, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we all know what an authority Whitlock is on the subject of stupid signs.
Can’t believe he had the gall to use that particular phrase.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 11, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When I wrote my Kool Aid post.........
I couldn’t decide wether to call the “anti Kool Aid” “Hate-er-Aid” or “Whitlock Juice”. That guys spews more “Chiefs Hate” then anyone else on the planet. The sad part is, I think he’s actually less fired up about it then you guys are. He just wants to rile people up to get attention.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 10, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UC...
the fact that you are willing to make this bet based on one game proves that you are too hasty. I dont think beating or losing to the Raiders proves anything. The Raiders are an awful team, but they are loaded with players with talent. I just do not see how you can make an assessment on this teams season based on one week. And not only that, a win is a win is a win is a win. Who cares if we win by 37 points or half a point. Blowing out the Raiders will prove nothing.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You sure about this
The Raiders are an awful team, but they are loaded with players with talent
Thats why they (Oak) :
- Have 2 wins and KC have 1
- Beat Philadelphia, KC got blown out by Philly
- they have 4 rushing TDs, KC have zero
- they don’t have a good HC, do we?
- their owner/gm accumulates talent, KC’s gm pickups players from k-mart (at a discount)
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, the Raiders sound awesome
Why don’t you head on over to their blog and cheer for them over there?
by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 10, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll leave that for Clancy
He’s halfway there – seeing how he gave up our 1st win to JaDonut in week 2.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait what?
Im not sure what point your trying to make. Im saying that the Raiders are loaded with talent, and despite them being an awful franchise that they can still win because they have talent. Its almost like you are disagreeing with me then go out of your way to prove me right.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 10, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're Loaded With Talent At All But The Two Most Critical Positions
QB and head coach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
but the Chiefs are devoid of talent pretty much everywhere.
So one lucky throw by Jamarcus, and the Chiefs could be in trouble.
I totally agree with you that the Chiefs should beat this team, but when you have 2 really bad teams I think you have to look at overall talent. Now if the Chiefs are able to just completely harass Jamarcus then I dont think this game will be close.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 10, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We Shall See
Actually, you guys shall see…apparently I’ll be on the road again this Sunday because someone booked another class for me to teach at the last minute. Damn it.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I get this Job
Im interviewing for next week, this will be the last year that I will get to watch every Chiefs game, Hell and I probably saw the last Royals game that I will see on TV for quite some time… Oh well.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 11, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I have to watch mine on replay on NFLN most times. Out here the only AFC West games we get regularly are Raiders and Chargers games. And unfortunately I’ll be on the road this Sunday when the Chiefs actually play the Raiders (so it might be on).
Best of luck on the interview, by the way…even if it cuts into your ability to watch our team.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not taking that bet....
I want to win and I want to beat the Raiders and even it’s by 1 stinkin point, I’ll be happy with a win…I’ll support Haley through the end of the season & see what the final stats are…at that point, I may jump in your “fire haley bus”. Until then…..I’ll take my own car :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Nov 10, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Atta girl
Never trust strangers, & there aren’t many stranger than the dark side fellas! :)
Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!
by ttownmikey on Nov 10, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
drive safely
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey guys
maybe i can be the next coach of the chiefs i have a baled personlilly i know the afc west i wouild coach for free dontate my salary to the trooples the laides think i am cute i can give u a winner no b s
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love how you snuck in:
the laides think i am cute
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
What the hell happened to the Donkeys in the 2nd half yesterday?
They looked great in the first 1/2 then fell apart!
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rub it in
what the hell.. why not
I heard champ bailey set a record for tackles 12? the supposedly best-cover corner in the league that QB doesn’t throw to…
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did not look good yesterday!
I loved when Hines Ward hurdled him for a TD in garbage time with that smile on his face.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 10, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
kyle otnon was off bad we did not attck them deep enrouh we did not excute the plays well enrough we act scared of them i mean tip u cap to them they were the better team but who knows next time
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There will be no next time...
history is going to repeat itself
by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
couild be
let see how u play pitt first
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WE will get destroyed...I'm an optomist but...
I;m foreseeing a score circa the Chiefs 2007 when we got routed 44-10 or something of the sort
by butchcassidy on Nov 10, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
j-man
you are hired!.
Predictions as of 06.24.2009.
Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.
by 58 was my friend on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks 58
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 10, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seating Still Available?
Because I’ll take the bet. My blood is boiling after last week’s debacle. This ass-clown is pissing me off to no end. How can you not see what is working and not continue to run similar or identical plays? Charles is averaging over 5 ypc and only gets the rock 6 times? Cassel and company start connecting and Chambers gets 2 scores in the waning minutes? If something works, for piss sakes, stick with it. This guy was probably heavily shadowed by the real genius last year, Ken Whisenhunt. Now that he’s on his own, he no longer has the capability to call a play. Dude can’t even spell playcalling. I’ve seen what this offense is capable of in more games than one. If he is watching film, truly watching film, his playbook should be a helluva lot lighter because he should be tossing out the stupid ass plays that do not work. Um, 3rd and 94 Todd, what’s your call? Let me think, run the QB drop and handoff. LAME!! 3rd and 1 Todd, what should we do? Um, try to stretch the field and throw a 20-yard pass, even though I haven’t done that all game and we only need one yard for the first. Yeah, he’s an idiot!! So UC, if we don’t slaughter the Gay-ders this week, I’m on the bandwagon and I’m driving the SOB ’til the wheels fall off…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Nice post UC
very informative and enlightening.
I am not taking the bet, Haley has made mistakes yet this team WILL be better.
There has been a ton of change so far and will be a ton more in the coaching staff and the 53 or 80 since off-season will be here soon. Thanks to some of you I am being totally realistic and don’t see many wins left this season, thus my draft phobia :)
I will watch every game and root as a Chiefs fan for a win. I will root for Haley to grow just like the rest of the team and become consistent winners. So I hope some here have changed your stance as far as wanting to carry on
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And I Can Respect That
I won’t try to force anyone to bet if they don’t want to…it’s just meant to be a fun thing.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 10, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has been a fun post
Just look at the response that this post has generated! I’m with Steve on this one though and not taking the bet just yet. If things continue to degrade, I understand that j-man is available… :-)
by Supersport on Nov 11, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
And J-man is certainly on the short list. :)
Got to say, I never thought this post would break 400 comments when it’s not even a front page article and doesn’t have enough recs to hit the most recommended list. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't take you seriously
I’m already starting 5 Chiefs in my FF league, Cassel, Succup, Charles, Chambers, and Kolby, and if Long clears waivers, it will be 6. There is no way that it makes that much sense to start that many Chiefs (I have players like Boldin, Buckhalter, and Knox on the bench), and for your proposition to make any sense.
As bad as the Chiefs are, they should win this one by double digits, they are a lot better than the last time they played the Raiders, and the Raiders still have JaFatcus.
Why don’t you pick a more even bet for you? Like the San Diego game?
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ahhhhhhhh ... I used to clean up in a fantasy league one year, actually won it, too
Green, Holmes, TonyG … damn I miss those guys
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 11, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So You're Saying
That you’re declining the bet? If you’ve got so much faith in Haley, how about putting your fanhood where your mouth is. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 11, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have that much faith in JaMarcus to give us the game
Since your baiting me, I’ll take your bet. If JaMarcus the Hut manages to win, I’ll ride on your anti-Haley bandwagon.
But if KC finally pulls it together this week, you’ve got to give Haley a chance, and at least wait until next year to fire up the bandwagon!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 11, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Accepted
Actually, I’ll be publicly retracting my position and posting “Todd Haley should not be fired” in my signature block until the end of the season (which I expect anyone who loses my bet to post in their signature block as well).
And by “end of the season” I mean immediately following the final second of the last Chiefs game this year.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got a bet, this is going to be fun (for somebody)
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
by cpa913 on Nov 11, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Out Of Curiousity
What’s your standing in that fantasy league? :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 11, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason I'm starting so many Chiefs
I’m only 5-4, but I cleaned up last weak with Chambers, Cassel, and it helps having Michael Turner, Tony G, Roddy White, Steve Smith, etc. I’m a yo-yo team really, ha, ha!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 11, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm About The Same
Matt Forte, Calvin Johnson and Jason Witten have been killing me all year. But fortunately I’ve got Larry Fitzgerald, Matt Schaub, Mike Sims-Walker and sometimes Steve Slaton keeping me in playoff contention.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 11, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny you mention Fitz
I’ve had Boldin on my bench all year because he’s always hurt.
If he’s available, pick up the rookie WR from Pittsburgh, I can’t remember his name, but he’s looking like he will put up some numbers down the stretch.
Also, just remember how horrible Dallas was until Miles Austin had his breakout. Maybe, if the football god’s look highly upon us, Chambers will have the same effect for us!
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Wallace
Someone already snagged him.
And Boldin sucks…I’ve got Fitz in one league and Boldin in the other and Boldin’s been killing me all year.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yah
calvin johnson, greg jennings have been killing me…. can’t get any good receivers
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Megatron Will Rebound, I Think
So will Jennings. Although Driver’s a much bigger part of the passing game than I thought he’d be in Green Bay…he looked about done last year.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You tempt me
so you must be the devil.
I despise the Raiders like no other team in the NFL and it would pain me to no end to lose again to them this season, well, actually ever but I am on the ‘give ’em time’ side of the road so I will not call for the head of Coach Haley even if we lose.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm....No, I can't go back on our pre-season discussion on this topic UC
I’ve thought about this since yesterday. Specifically we stated that the Chiefs needed to show improvement and set a better record then last year.
By better record/improvment we agreed it would be at least 6 wins and anything more would be a very good season considering the rebuild. We agreed that was a realistic expectation…4 additional wins from last year.
So, since mathematically we still have the possiblity of winning 6 games, and it’s not like we have 1 game left and a 5-11 record, I have to decline.
HOWEVER, if the Chiefs DO NOT have at least 6 wins by the end of the year then this year will not be an improving year for me. That would garner a HC thought provoking decision.
I won’t base a career on 1 game…can’t do it. Can’t work with it, can’t coach with it :-)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 11, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im with ya UC
I havent been really on a fire Todd Haley bandwagon because im being cautiously optimistic, but i think if we choke @ OAK against JaMarcus I think its time to light the fires and take up the pitchforks, a miracle playoff run does not a head football coach make.
Prediction: 2009 AFC West gets Emmy for best drama.
by CT Chief Fan on Nov 11, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
then you are on betting for Haley side...
if Haley loses (by 7) then we join the bandwagon, if he wins…. we torment UC and sell his soul on ebay.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 11, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That gets a rec
I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, cause Haley's the best that's ever been...
Predicted outcome for the Raidaaa's goes a little something like this:
UCrawford bowed his head because he knew JaMarcus had been beat.
He laid that golden sig line on his profile at Lucas's feet.
Haley said: "UCrawford just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been."
by cpa913 on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd and I'm onboard
I would be all down for bringing in Jon Gruden and having Romeo as our DC! That would = A LOT more success!
by readANDgold58 on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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