The Jaguars Game Tells Us Nothing New About the Chiefs
by Matt Conner on Nov 9, 2009 5:00 PM CST
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Another game, another set of observations. Some might have watched the game only to turn it off as it neared the end, frustrated with another familiar Chiefs performance. Others might have watched the final minutes biting their nails, hoping some Music City Miracle-esque moment might take place. Either way, when the final seconds tick off, what I assume you're left with is the same old feeling with the same old talking points.
At least that's the way this game went down for me. I'm really not sure that the Jags game taught us anything about the Chiefs that the rest of this season hasn't already told us. The holes still remain in the same place. The capacity of hopeful players still fail to become realized. Play calling continues to be solid one minute and baffling the next (abandoning the run game early with so few carries for both Kolby Smith and Jamaal Charles at the half was absolutely mind-blowing - especially when they're killing Larry Johnson's YPC by more than a yard).
It was nice to see signs of life with Chris Chambers late and Lance Long early. And yet I have to believe that primarily that's the benefit of the hurry-up offense like that - which creates a hero out of somebody each and every time (someone has to get the yards) at the end and the absence of Bobby Wade on the part of Long.
The same can be said with the fine running numbers of Charles/Smith combined with 10 carries for 53 yards. A great average and very respectable showing. Yet again, why not continue to run the football and control the clock and give Matt Cassel some room to move. Obviously, Jacksonville was giving some room to run in this one and that's a trend we should have expected - they're 25th in the NFL in Rushing Yards Allowed.
So what do you think? Any other signs of life we should be particularly excited about? Any new insights? Or did it feel like the same old thing?
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And if they are going to run the ball
How about not on 3rd down with the draw from the shotgun. I hate that play.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 9, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AMEN 3rd down is not the place to run them plays when they havn't worked since the begining of the year
Check out the gun show over here FIYA POWA
by redmedicone on Nov 9, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but we had 2.7 runnin on 3rd
Check out the gun show over here FIYA POWA
by redmedicone on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
finding a way
to lose. thats what they have done the last 2-3 years. Think about all the different ways they have lost, from blowouts, to losing it in the 4th, to losing it in the final minute. You name it, its happened. Encouraged by the lack of giving up, and the fight, however. well, with the exception of the SD game, and we might be on to something at WR now?
by be cee on Nov 9, 2009 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why not
play the whole game like we are in the 2 minute hurry up offense?!
by Bra on Nov 9, 2009 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We just have to convince to play a soft prevent defense the whole game too.
I’m encouraged by the way they ended, but take it with a grain of salt.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 9, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully it encourages the team as well. That had to make some of them feel alot better.
Especially Cassel getting to air it out.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Nov 9, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we should
sign another OL from Mexico.
by be cee on Nov 9, 2009 5:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why.......
do we continue to throw screen passes behind the LOS, when we now have 2 deep threats and a couple of slot recievers. the 2 min drill showed we have that option now.
by KC Rowdy1 on Nov 9, 2009 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, I learned a little...
I think we all knew the offensive line was bad, but I’m not sure I fully grasped the crappiness of the OL until we played the Jags, a team with a really really really bad defensive line. So, after the game, I decided to take the time to consider how bad it actually is.
For instance, OL Stats for passing plays:
1) 27 sacks allowed (31st)- League Average is 16
2) 49 QB Hits allowed (27st)- League Average is 35
3) Chiefs have been hit/sacked on 30.3% of passing plays (29th). This will most certainly put the brakes on your passing game.
-if somebody tracks hurries, let me know and I’ll include it
4) Chiefs account for 17.3% of opponents’ total sacks, despite constituting only 12.5% of games played by that opponent.
Against Jags:
1)Coming into the game, Jags had 5 sacks (32nd)
2)This gives an avg of 0.71 sacks/game
3)We gave up 3 sacks, meaning that a DL as futile as Jax saw an increase in production of 324% against KC..
4)The Chiefs now account for 37.5% of all sacks against the worst DL in football.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Nov 9, 2009 5:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I agree. I went to this game and our O-line is just awful. They cant block anyone. A lot of WR were open down field an Matt just had no time. His WR ran some wrong routes too. They also need a better secondary big time. That was deadful play. But i did learn that this team has fight and teams with fight get better…. most the time. I hope they go out an get some seasoned secondary guys.
I also learned that we need a new D-coordinator. This Zone D is so deflating, I’d rather give up a big play than just watch teams drive right down the field every time. Zone D only really works in the red zone when they cant get behind you. Clancy will be gone at the end of the year.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Nov 9, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nothing new, really - giving up the run so early, especially when we (gasp) were gaining yards on the run ...
… is more atrocious play-calling by the OC, who needs to go or be reassigned immediately
after all, it’s a matter of holding the OC accountable, just like everyone else on the team
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 9, 2009 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was plenty new.
Kenny Smith, #90, holding pretty firm at the point of attack. Chiefs might be closer to a great rotation at NT than ever before.
Long and Chambers brought a spark.
And I might be wrong, but I think that Branden Albert moved to LG in college, because he wasn’t all that great at LT. Anybody think differently? I think it likely that KC is on the market for left tackle going into the offseason. Let’s have a GREAT player manning the QB’s blind side.
Without Johnson, there was some new spark at the HB position.
Granted this is against a team that’s been less-than-ideal against the run.
Overall, the front 3 looked pretty good against Jones-Drew.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 6:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Albert didn't play that position because he wasn't a good tackle...
He played that position because tackle was filled when he got there, and then Eugene Monroe (a big recruit who was picked 8th by the jags this year) filled it later because Albert was already settled into guard. I think he would be fine playing either position. I think consistency at either position is a bigger issue, not talent when it comes to Albert.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 9, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're not telling me anything that hasn't been said, before.
The fact is, if he were the dominant player, he would’ve started over the other guy. Why wasn’t HE the “big recruit” when he entered college? What I’m saying is, the guy you want starting at left tackle in the pros is a DOMINANT player, and not just the guy that’s really really good, only someone better deserves to start.
And if he’s very talented, only inconsistent, that’s STILL a big problem.
Like I said yesterday, I’m waiting to hear from stagdsp and KaloPhoenix, after they digest the game, but I thought Albert was a liability, and I’m starting to lean pretty hard toward drafting a starting left tackle, and either moving Albert inside, or seeing if he has trade value at tackle. As you say, he IS pretty talented.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh.. and unless NFLn replays the game...
it’ll be hard for me to break it down… it wasn’t on here in DSM
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You cant just evaluate the play for yourself....
Albert just came back from injury and he is the best player on our line by far. He plays next too a horribly overrated G in Brian Waters. If your waiting for someone to tell you about him there you go. I can see the problem all the way. Albert and Waters are not working together like they did last year. We need a new LG, not LT. Ecspecially O Kung who isnt the perfect fit for our system.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 9, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okung...
how is he not a perfect fit?
He’s athletic and strong, tall, but only 300lbs… kinda like what Haley is molding Albert into… but Okung may be better at it
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Albert seemed to be play the ZB scheme with a TE sometimes
two of the sacks were LB “Hali position” flying in and Albert “was/thought” he had to take out an inside guy. TE chipped and ran out on route and Pope maybe left Cassel to try not to get sacked. Albert plays well and there is nobody in this Draft that would upgrade LT over Albert.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 9, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe keeping him and moving him to RT is the answer.
At the lighter weight, he’s still plenty physical and athletic enough to get to the second level, which RBs LOVE when they run to the strong side. I’m just not so sure he quite has the HEAD/instincts to play left tackle properly. I think his decision-making would be simplified on the right side, and he’d be pretty dominant, there.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to hmills...
wrecked your previous comment above, always like to hear positives from you, considering you’re a sharp-eyed critic :)
I’m coming around to the idea of a 1st or 2nd round LT… Babb discussed it recently, said that Albert would have an easier transition to LG than RT… so I think that’s more likely.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
notice I said 1st or 2nd round...
Most people think that KC can’t get a great LT without a high first round pick…
I would say that the top of the 2nd round this year MIGHT have some good OTs in it…
Young, from ND… Black from LSU… Fox from Miami
I would be excited to see what happens if they got Berry in the 1st, and one of these guys in the top of the 2nd to start at LT…
OR
Okung in the 1st, and a guy like Nate Allen, FS South Florida or Earl Thomas, FS Texas (if he falls there) in the 2nd
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
They isn’t a LT superior to what we got in this draft.
OKung gets manhandled on occasion, Beluga too.
They are the top of the LOT picks, Now a RT is Deep as shit in this draft.
Sorry to disagree
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 9, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i welcome the disagreement :)
Well, if that’s the case, then I hope Albert continues to develop!
I wouldn’t mind that at all… as long as they get a TOP center, and maybe a G….
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
Colquitts blazing speed and awkward tackling ability. Better put Succop on the hands team for recieving onside kicks as well.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 9, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
These are kickers to be proud of.
In spite of the “awkwardness” shown by Colquitt, it just seems like they’re good kickers who are also football players at heart, rather than a European soccer player with ZERO pigskin IQ.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
... with all due respect to Stenerud.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 9, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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