Five Good Stats from the Chiefs' Loss to the Jaguars
Queue the typical response to this post each week:
"There were good stats from yesterday's game?"
Yes. Yes there were good stats AP readers. Now, there are more bad stats but that's another post for another time.
So far, this is what I've got that was good from yesterday:
- Penalties
- Tyson Jackson
- YPC
- The play of Matt Cassel
- Eliminating the negative plays
Check out what I'm talking about, after the jump.
Only one penalty
Coming into this game today, the Chiefs had 48 penalties on the season. That's almost a 7 penalty a game average.
Well I'm guessing the extra preparation and rest the bye week gave the Chiefs did some good because they only committed only penalty against the Jaguars. It was offensive pass interference on Dwayne Bowe in the third quarter.
I'm happy about the low penalty number overall and I'm also happy that the Chiefs' offensive line wasn't called for anything. We seemed to have gotten into a nasty pattern where 3-4 penalties a game on the offense line was the norm.
There's Tyson Jackson!
The Chiefs' first round draft pick has been relatively quiet leading up to today's game. There were a few comments made early on in the game about how Tyson Jackson already seemed to be in on more plays that usual.
That good play continued as Jackson ended up being the Chiefs' leading tackler today with seven total tackles.
High YPC
The Chiefs only attempted to run the ball twelve times but they gained 57 yards on those carries. That's almost 5 yards per carry, which is a great stat.
Here's how the rushing stats broke down:
- Jamaal Charles: 6 carries, 36 yards
- Kolby Smith: 4 carries, 17 yards
- Dantrell Savage: 2 carries, 4 yards
Why didn't the Chiefs run the ball more? Jamaal Charles' fumbleitis? Mixing up the playcalling? I'm not sure and that's something we'll explore as the week goes on.
Matt Cassel
Here's a fun stat: Matt Cassel ended up with a 96.3 QB rating, his second best rating of the year. By far Cassel's best game rating wise was Week 2 against the Raiders, when he finished the day with 124.5 passer rating.
Yes, about a third of Cassel's passing yards came on two players to Chris Chambers and Dwayne Bowe in what one may have called garbage time. But I think for what he has to play with, Cassel is playing like a hero out there. It's the same story every week - Cassel is taking heat; scrambling; trying to make something out of nothing most of the time. The timing isn't there with the receivers quite yet but it will be.
For the record, I'm not sold yet on Matt Cassel as this fantastic quarterback of the future. I think I will be sold by the end of the season judging by how Cassel has played so far but I'm not there yet.
No tackles for a loss
stagdsp noted this earlier and it bears repeating. Tackles for a loss or no gain were a standard part of the Larry Johnson rushing package. The advantages of Charles and Savage over LJ were made clear to me today. I don't think there is any reason to start LJ again this season. We'll be fine without him.
Any good stats out there that I missed?
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Yeah, his rating is the good stat
There are so many times that Cassel could have folded this season and didn’t.
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by Chris Thorman on Nov 9, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
Jux let up a bit late in the game
two passes upped those yardage stats up a lot, the stats don’t show the muffed INT that would’ve prevented any talk of a late offensive surge, and though his completion percentage wasn’t abysmal (it wasn’t particularly great) I’d be willing to bet his ypa was very low.
he didn’t play terribly, but it feels just like watching croyle
he was injured. injured bad.
Coming from Croyle's (former?) biggest supporter :)
I think if you’re looking that deep into the game to find reasons why he played badly then he did okay.
The Jags may have considered it garbage time...
but Cassel still played like we had a chance to win. And the fact that he doesn’t give up until the clock says 0:00 is encouraging. How many times have we seen Indy, the Pats, or SD comeback late in a game that they should’ve lost. Cassel may not be a Brady or Peyton level quarterback but he still has that desire to win and not give up.
the play of matt cassel?
Yeah if we forget the WHOLE GAME EXCEPT THE END!! Only someone that didnt watch the game can count the “play of Matt Cassel” as being a positive. That only works if you read the stat sheet or woke up with 3 mins left to play, and even then you would see how far behind the Chiefs were and realize the QB must have had a really bad game up until that point.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
i'm so surprised you would respond this way...
i mean that with as much sarcasm as you can take
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Agree...
He looked like shit when it counted, then finally threw deep when it didn’t matter…At this point Brodie needs a shot, Cassel is losing confidence…
Brodie needs a shot!?
What makes you think he’d be any better?
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
i have NO idea why people keep saying that
NO chance Croyle is any better
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
I was unaware that people were saying it
Not. a good. idea.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
Cassel's play
for the first 56 minutes against a bad team was awful. Now I don’t blame that entirely on him because none of the receivers could get good separation consistently enough.
At 24-6, most defenses back off a bit which is what Jax did. In fact they did it twice including the drive after KC recovered the onsides kick. His numbers were done in garbage time and while there was a glimmer of hope for a comeback to at least tie it, his numbers are very inflated. Let’s remember, Jacksonville stinks and shitty teams don’t know how to finish games as we know it and they had a big enough lead that time ultimately ran out on KC.
The play to Chambers
was the only time we tried to stretch the field. I hope we see more of this, earlier in the game when it matters. Also, I didnt realize Jackson had 7 tackles! Could be because he’s just 5 letters short of them.
(Side note: In an embarassing display of Chiefs fandom, when I read that Jackson got 7, I released a tremendous fist pump that caught my desk resulting in a large contusion on my knuckle. It was worth it.)
by KCJayhawk on Nov 9, 2009 7:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
How about this: had Charles had the same number of touches as Jones-Drew
he would have cleared 180 yards.
Unfortunately, he only received 9 touches. Not sure why Haley abandoned the run when we were doing a very good job of it.
I question the lack of attempted runs...first run went 8 yards for Charles..
so we stopped? Man when your 1-6 and trying to evaluate players why didn’t we just run more and NOT on 3rd down shotgun up the middle plays…OMG over and over and over with those…..
I really was excited to see how ferocious Savage and Smith seemed running the ball. They need a line granted, but that’s the intensity I haven’t seen all year. Of course Charles is still a threat.
Over all I wasn’t disappointed with Cassel like usual, I still think you have to consider that most of his good stats came in the final (3 minutes was it??) with those two scoring drives. Still he didn’t turn the ball over again and that is a plus no matter how you slice it.
Interesting comparison of him to Aaron Rodgers yesterday I saw. Says they both want the big play sometimes too bad and hold the ball too long looking for it. Sure Cassel is used to Moss or Welker getting open eventually lol.
Chambers added speed presence for us. That was good.
The only thing is….as I’ve heard others say in here on AP before and I agree with…why do we always wait until the game is basically out of reach and then all of a sudden get creative? All of a sudden play with urgency and speed? Seems weird to me that we can do in the final 2 minutes of a game what we can never do during the whole game.
Anyway, our record says it all, so the few bright spots we could take away from Sunday are encouraging since there’s nothing else to hope for this year except glimpses of hope here and there.
Good morning AP!
Haley
In his post game Haley said the play calling was predicated on the Jax D. Things like lots of run blitzes.
David Logue
One stat you missed....
Deep into the 4th quarter the chiefs had 183 total yrds…..the commentators noted this during the game…MJD and the Jag reciever who burned Brown(forget his name) had 260 yrds by themselves……Mat Cassel really did nothing until the last 3 minutes of the game….his best stat..0 turnovers….
thats what im saying
I dont think 3-4 minutes of good play gives a pass on a generally less than par performance the other 56 minutes.
what else was good was Bowe’s catch late in the game.
he was injured. injured bad.
Im frustrated
I left the game just fed up and when my girlfriend and I got back we thought the final score was a mistake! Not sure if thats good or bad sure is frustrating.
by Arrowhead Addict Randy5k on Nov 9, 2009 7:59 AM CST reply actions
2 more players
everybody keeps forgetting about Tamba Hali. Him and Cory Mays were all over the place yesterday.
They should have had
a couple of more sacks. Too many times the Jags QB escaped a sack.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 9, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
yeah they did miss him a lot
but to be fair is is a pretty squat dude. He only weighs six pounds more than Cassel (236) but he is 3 inches sorter.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
I love our kickers but
How stupid was it try a 56 yarder into the wind. We couldn’t given up a TD or got someone hurt.
by kc2win on Nov 9, 2009 8:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It cracks me up
that when Haley went for it on 4th down early in the Redskins game because he didn’t want to kick in the bad conditions and they didn’t get it everyone was freaking out because they didn’t try to get the points.
Now he tried to get the points, on the last play of the half and we should have just downed the ball? Ran a draw? Thrown deep? Come on.
If people want to complain about play calling they should complain about the lack of touches given to the RB’s who were doing very well. It was a big mistake not to try to run the ball more when our yards per carry were so good.
Trying to score points isn’t a bad thing. Yes they could have ran it back but they didn’t. That means the special teams did their job.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 9, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As opposed to
trying to throw a 40 yard td pass into the wind. Yup no way that could end up a pick 6 or anyone getting hurt
Tyson
Tyson finally looked the part. It was great to see him help stuff the run.
That’s all I’ll say so I do not get a warning by the website about expressing in a respectable way my views on what the Chiefs need to do to improve the team next year.
No
You get a warning for hopping onto three separate threads that have nothing to do with the draft and start talking about all draft. It becomes spam at a point. There are plenty of places to talk about the draft on here (too many, IMO).
I really hope TJ is turning the corner
we have basically been playing with only 2 defensive lineman all yea
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 9, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Someone was saying as TJ improves we should see better play out of Vrabel.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 9, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that.
If other teams have to worry more about TJ that should help free up other players.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
good games out of Dorsey, Jackson, Hali, Mays, Flowers
shitty games out of Williams, Brown, others?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
With the way Charles played
I absolutely do not want to see LJ back on the field again (other than maybe in goal line situations, and even that’s iffy). He was able to avoid some tackles in the backfield that there is absolutely no doubt would have brought LJ down. I’ve been pretty supportive of Haley so far, but if LJ is #1 again next week I’m really going to be questioning his motivations. I understand that Charles is more of a fumble risk, but I’ll take 5 fumbles over a season by a 5 ypc back over 1 fumble per season by a 2.7 ypc back any time.
He can be back at practice today right?
So if they are going to deactivate him would it come down this morning?
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
No...
Deactivation decisions are made shortly before each game. Now… if they were just going to release him outright, they could make that decision today. In fact… unless I’ve counted wrong, they have to release somebody, because they had an extra roster spot while LJ was suspended.
John
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They can deactivate him for the year can't they?
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, but deactivating him still costs KC a roster spot
so they’d have to cut someone
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
We need to remember who we just played.
The 25th ranked Rushing D in the NFL. Not the best measuring stick to see if Charles/ Smith/ Savage are the answer. Let’s see if their productivity continues for more than 1 game, then I’m on board.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
That's true
But I expect them to get a few more shots too.
Obviously turnovers are really bad, but I get the feeling that Haley actually over-emphasizes the importance too. There’s little reward in running a low-risk offense, particularly when the defense isn’t any good.
LJ couldn't run on anyone
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Cassel
I don’t know what to think about his performance. Jax is about as bad a D as we’re going to see this season, and Cassel/Haley weren’t able to put anything together for 56 minutes. It’s nice that he’s shown composure late in games, but they need to do it early & actually take control of these games. I don’t know if it’s a function of the play calling or talent, but something needs to change. I’m not down on Cassel at all, but I won’t be sold on him until he’s able to engineer some of these long drives in the 1st & 3rd quarters…consistently.
Our kicker and punter
as usual. Not many teams have a kicker that can recover his own onside kick and a punter that can outrun their whole team and make a touchdown saving tackle. Good for them embarasing for the rest of our team.
I can't figure out ...
Why Haley doesn’t start calling plays like he did in the last three minutes sometime during the first 57 minutes.
It's simple.
It’s called garbage time. The other team is ahead by two or three scores and there’s not enough time for you to come back so their defense doesn’t care if you score. It’s not that Cassel gets any better, he still stinks.
Cassel
I agree that it might be premature to crown Cassel our best QB. He did look pretty good the last 5 minutes, when the game was long gone. But…..how about the chance to score a TD in the 1st qtr, when his pass to Long at the goal line was a second late. Beurline saw it right away, the ball wasn’t thrown when Long was open. Then there was the pass play early in the fourth qtr, when Bowe was wide open deep down the middle on a seam route. Cassel badly overthrew him. Both these plays were when the game was still in doubt.
Of course, I, too, am sadly amazed at Haley’s play calling. It just seems obvious that when something (the running game) is working, stay with it until the oppositon stops it.

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