For the record, Bernard Pollard was a bad, bad influence in the locker room. Not the Chiefs' kind of guy. Much better player than Brown tho.
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Blessing in disguise
I hope now we are forced to take Eric Berry with our #5 pick.
by KC CZAR on Nov 8, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So what made him such a bad influence?
Just rebellious?
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by GanjaChief on Nov 8, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pioli/Haley propaganda by their stooge Babb
by FrankPitts on Nov 8, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I mean
It’s not like that comment is about how Mike Brown isn’t very good.
by NotAHippie on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What? Babb was ripping the Chiefs and Mike Brown on twitter all game.
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by DThomasReigns on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All Frank does is moan and complain about Haley.
It’s really, really tired.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or moan and complain about
people who moan and complain about Haley, because they said one thing negative about a former player.
by NotAHippie on Nov 8, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, moan and complain and complain while moaning
about people who complain while moaning, against the people who are moaning without complaining, and now complaining about the lack of moaning….wait…..sexassassin, is that a porn flick?
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by Lanier63 on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why
Because he wanted to win?
by raiderhater77 on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
that comment won't fly with anyone here
because it’s obvious pollard’s so much better than brown. because of that, there’s no way he could have been a locker room cancer…
i’ll never understand that mentality
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by kcguy on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
see wikipedia and look up TO for the his entire career
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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by Lanier63 on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you have what i mean backwards
i’m sarcastically saying that because many people on here would rather have pollard over brown, there’s no way he could have been a cancer…
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
I really like Babb, but I wouldn’t have to hear more than this to believe it completely. That’s the fair thing. I just haven’t heard anything like this before. I’m sure Mr. Babb will understand. Well, no, I’m sure he won’t care. Ha.
by KCMizzou on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doesnt it seem whatever decisions this franchise makes,it is almost always wrong. Whether it be personel moves,what coaches to hire,or who to draft they just cant get anything right. Is it bad luck, or just bad ownership. I cany wait for something to happen.
by kc2win on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Chiefs kind of guy = you’re a freckin loser
by raiderhater77 on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
"Chiefs kind of guy"
I’m sick of this crap. Time to stop picking favorites and start picking winners. Bowe should never have been third string. DJ should not be riding the bench. And releasing Pollard was a horrible mistake. The list is longer, but those are the chart toppers.
A “Chiefs kind of guy” should be someone who shows up to win, not just play.
by Pilcrow on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Cause DJ, Pollard, and Bowe were winning before this year… oh wait…
by RA_ChiefsFan on Nov 8, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Instead Of Getting A Better Performance Out Of Them
Haley just discards players with talent because he’s no better at “coaching up” a player than Herm was. The only difference between Herm and Haley is that Herm was too much of a softie and Haley’s a miserable prick. They’re both incompetent head coaches.
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by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NEWSFLASH
Coaching up != Adding Talent
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by Justin Bopp on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go one step farther.
Herm was able to coach up some guys. He was great at getting our secondary to overperform, because he knows the position.
Haley is supposed to be a brilliant WR coach. So far, the only great plays I’ve seen from wide receivers have been from guys who haven’t been under his influence very long (ie: Chambers).
If anything, I’d almost say Haley is coaching people down.
Is it too late to bring Herm and Chan back? At least then, losing would still be fun to watch right up until our “last two minutes” implosion.
by JacinB on Nov 9, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Should Be Clear
Under no circumstances would I want Herm Edwards back with the Chiefs.
But I’d rather have Gailey as a coach than Haley.
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by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Wikipedia
Pollard’s final year at Purdue was marred by altercations with coaches, the height of which occurred in the beginning of the season when he asked head coach Joe Tiller to “Give me my papers”, indicating the preference to transfer. Tiller did not grant the transfer request, but the incident proved a precursor to a tumultuous final year. Despite this Pollard still compiled 92 tackles (64 solo), 3 interceptions, 3 pass break-ups, 1 fumble recovery and 1 blocked punt. His 5 blocked punts are a Purdue record.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That Would Be The Same Joe Tiller
Whose Purdue team fell apart in the Big 10 once Pollard left, resulting in Tiller getting fired after the 2008 season.
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by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If....your point is that Haley's team fell apart after Pollard left,
I disagree being that these 53 were never and still aren’t a team yet. If that was not your point, but just a fact you were adding, please disregard this reply. :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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by Lanier63 on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More That
I don’t think Haley has any clue how to be a head coach because he’d rather have obedient players who never question him than players with enough talent to win football games.
As a head coach, the man is a loser.
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by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What coach doesn’t want obedient players? I’m also pretty sure I’ve seen Cassel talking back to him a few times.
by bh13 on Nov 9, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's The Only One Haley Can't Cut
Because of his contract.
Haley’s a bully…he only picks on players he thinks he can get away with picking on.
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by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like suspending the player w/ the 3rd highest salary on the team?
LJ?
by Joel Thorman on Nov 9, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And It Took Johnson Calling His Coach Incompetent On A Social Networking Site To Get That Suspension
If Larry Johnson hadn’t done that, I suspect he’d be our franchise’s career rushing leader by year’s end. Because Haley showed no apparent interest in benching the guy no matter how badly he played.
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by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
He’s got a college coach mentality. He’s got the mentality that is great in college because if kids don’t jump when you say jump, you can pull their scholarship and end their careers.
He’s trying to use that kind of power in the NFL, except that the guys that he’s cutting (see also: Pollard, Bernard) actually have legitimate talent or they wouldn’t be playing at this level and can go out and get jobs elsewhere (see also: Texans, Houston; 42 tackles, 1 forced fumbles, and 2 INTs in 6 games).
by JacinB on Nov 9, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You do not get it, UC
You have no idea what the impact of ONE, just ONE whiny disrespectful punkass can have on a unit. That one person makes your job so miserable that no matter what he’s good at, you want him gone.
I work with a guy like that. He bitches and moans about everything. Disrespects authority constantly. Never does the right thing. Do you have any idea how hard he makes my job? Do you know what kind of attitude just one person like that imparts on other people? You start getting the “well, HE didn’t give a shit…so why should I??”
You keep thinking that Haley is going after brainwashed people who will do everything he says without questioning it. You are wrong. They can question it all they want. They can think it’s a bad idea all they want. As long as they execute though, that’s all that matters!
Bernard was a cancer. If he was undermining the coach and causing problems, then get rid of him. Does that mean this season we sacrifice a win? Maybe. But trust me…those players are miserable enough being 1-7. Having a jackass around makes it even worse.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
by YNinja on Nov 9, 2009 4:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The whiney disrespectful is Todd Hailme
What has he gone? Outside of knowing the right people.
by FrankPitts on Nov 9, 2009 7:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
You have no idea what the impact of ONE, just ONE whiny disrespectful punkass can have on a unit. That one person makes your job so miserable that no matter what he’s good at, you want him gone.
Frank nailed it…the whiny disrespectful punkass for the Chiefs is Todd Haley. And I want him gone.
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by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my friends played football at Purdue with Pollard
And he says good things about him.
So there. Kent Babb proven wrong.
by NotAHippie on Nov 8, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My cousins sisters neighbor
knew a guy who met Bernard Pollard once. He said he was a jerk.
I win.
Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.
by YNinja on Nov 9, 2009 5:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But I'm actually being serious
My friend did in fact play football with Pollard.
I was joking about the “Kent Babb proven wrong” part.
by NotAHippie on Nov 9, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's A Question, Though
How can anyone be a worse influence in the locker room than Larry Johnson? I mean, seriously…his most recent remarks are the first time I’ve seen him say anything negative about the coaches he worked for. If he had a problem with his coaches, he kept it out of the press. Unlike a certain, should-have-been-cut RB.
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by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Pollard was worse.
He was just more financially easily dealt with. Pioli isn’t going to cut off his nose to spite his face with LJ. But rest assured his influence in the locker room is fading fast.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
Pollard’s low salary was a large part of what made him a good thing for us at SS. He wasn’t an All-Pro by any means, but he was a decent player who made peanuts, whose rights we owned for two more years (and could have re-signed cheaply).
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by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Unfortunately he was apparently a locker room sore and needed to be cut for the health of the team mentality.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Mean The Team Mentality That Haley Has Converted Into A 1-7 Record Without Pollard?
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by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Not to be confused with the team mentality that produced a 2-14 record with Pollard.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Great Pollard
We humbly repent of our wrongs against you. We beseech thee to accept our contrite tears and grant our humble desire to get avenge our earlier loss against the enemy, the Raiders. For you show the way to victory and we offer this sacrifice of Todd Haley’s testicles to appease your displeasure.
Amen.
"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." ~Oscar Wilde
by Big Chief on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just Saying
If Haley’s such a good coach, he should be able to get better results out of Pollard, Bowe and Tyler than Herm did. Especially when his GM goes out and gets him the franchise QB he covets.
But in order to show that, Haley would actually have to try and coach a player up…so far he hasn’t shown he’s any better at getting improvement out of a player than Herm did.
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by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you getting this fallacy of "coaching up" from?
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by Justin Bopp on Nov 8, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From The Team's Record And The Players' Stats
Who on this team has improved under Haley’s “tutelage”?
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by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tamba Hali
I’d say Brandon Flowers continues to play well, Jon McGraw has been better (arguable, I know), Corey Mays, Demorrio Williams….
by Joel Thorman on Nov 9, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK... I accept that
But you also have to factor in that Hali is playing a new position. You can make the argument that this might have as much do to with it as any coaching he’s received.
McGraw and Williams are valid points, as they were both with the team last year. Mays was not.
Personallly… what concerns me is that when they feel a player isn’t performing to expectations, they’re simply released. Of course that’s OK – they’re allowed to do that – but I really wonder if there have been times it might have been more appropriate to coach some of these guys into the players they want.
When they came in and said they were about “the right 53,” I took that to mean that there would be players on the roster with less talent, who would require coaching to play above their raw ability. Yet the frequent roster moves suggest a different approach – at least to me.
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 9, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Gonzalez was also on that team. So he isn’t very good, and shouldn’t be given a second look? Oh yeah, that doesn’t make sense. When a team goes 2-14, it doesn’t mean every single player is bad and should be gotten rid of.
by T-Rich on Nov 8, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It also doesn't mean that players were removed because of a lack of talent.
It’s pretty obvious that Pollard was made an example of. He was their one expendable “this could be you” statement cut. Classic authoritarian coaching move.
Also, let’s not forget that Pollard was the one that ran to Haley with a tantrum about Pendergast. Poor choice, Pollard.
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by Justin Bopp on Nov 8, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's What You're Supposed To Do
In a hierarchical organization if you have a problem with your immediate supervisor that you can’t resolve with that supervisor then you take your grievance up to the next level. It’s Haley’s job as head coach to deal with conflicts between subordinates.
Pollard would have been out of line if he’d gone and whined to the press…but he didn’t. He followed procedure and he got cut. If Haley thinks he’s too good to have to deal with personnel issues, then Haley was the problem, not Pollard.
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by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 7:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least someone is being honest about it
It’s about damn time.
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by Buck'O on Nov 8, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Losing
Every game is pretty bad locker room sore also
by raiderhater77 on Nov 8, 2009 10:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Pollard
contributed significantly to last years 2-14 record. The same plays brown blew today were the same type of plays pollard blew for us last year. If he hadn’t played out of his mind today nobody would be giving it a second thought.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
But Pollard flailed his arms more convincingly as he ran behind the receiver
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by Big Chief on Nov 8, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
GREAT POINT
Everyone seems to have forgotten how MANY huge plays Pollard gave up when he dove for the big hit and whiffed. Brown is giving up big plays this year, but is the furthest thing from a lockerroom cancer you’ll find. Pollard was a big liability on defense… now we get to see what DaJuan Morgan has, and hopefully draft another great safety this March. I think the correct decision was made.
by Chief-Eli on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I think everyone can agree on
teams occasionally expose average players to their career days. We just seem to be doing it every week.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 8, 2009 10:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
Indy did it today for pollard.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of times
we keep their super stars in check while handing breakout game performances to their average players.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would appear
that Miles Austin has continued to play well for Dallas. But your point is granted. :-)
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
before everybody starts showing up at the Shrine
of St. Bernard of Pollard, please recall that this was also the same guy who never saw a play action fake that he wouldn’t bite on, and more often than not, was seen as the player headed to the line of scrimmage as a TD pass was being completed behind him.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
by sm7600 on Nov 8, 2009 10:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
He's the guy
that according to several reports had to constantly be told to shut up during training camp on a repeated basis because he was always causing problems during practice. So now this report from Babb is supposed to be new news in some way?
by ttownmikey on Nov 8, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wheres that Article or Audio?
Never heard that
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One in particular
Pollard was trash talking so much during goal line drills that half the offense went after him and they had to break up the fight. Then he kept it up during stretches and Haley had to tell him to stretch more and talk less. For me, I am glad they let him go. And yes I think Mike Brown is sucking.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.
by Zodeman on Nov 9, 2009 5:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Because the last thing the Chiefs want on their practice field is a guy who challenges his teammates.
Look at Michael Irvin…he did that kind of shit all the time and what did that loser ever win? :)
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by UCrawford on Nov 9, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is not What Herm said...
He said Pollard was not a locker room cancer
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 8, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
herm also said this team was about 90 percent complete
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 9, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know ...
Before we started cutting talent and trading talent away, I think we probably were. I think we’re a lot farther from that now.
Last year, I could see the light at the end of the tunnel. This year, there’s no light; there’s only ’it’s a process.’
by JacinB on Nov 9, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anything to Justify his 12 tackles....
and picking off the best QB in the league twice. This was simply put, A horrible personell move. When Pioli Judged Pollard talent, He didnt think he was good. Thats it Chiefs fans, Now our team will feel the consequences for it.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 8, 2009 11:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Curse of Pollard is on us!
"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." ~Oscar Wilde
by Big Chief on Nov 8, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It just sets us back another pick...
We could be going into the draft having a pretty good secondary, Now we need a CB and 2 S. Pollard made Page better, Pollard made Carr better, Pollard made Leggett better. How can people not see this is why our secondary is bad. We had ZERO pass rush last year and they still were a bright spot. This year a better pash rush, HORENDOUS secondary. They might as well have me out there.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 8, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our CORNERS were a bright spot
our safety play last year was a problem as well.
"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." ~Oscar Wilde
by Big Chief on Nov 8, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pollard/Cancer
Yes I believe that he may have been a cancer in the locker room because he wouldn’t put up with Haley & Pioli’s nonsense.They treated these players like kids.Embarressed them publicly in front of all sports fans & players.He just wasn’t going to take it.Good for him for standing up for himself.The fact that the rest of the team has not said a word(publicly) shows what a bunch of chicken shitzzz they are now.Is this the kind of team we’re building?Is the answer to the right “53” players that will take abuse(Verbally) & blindly go forth?Yeech!!!!!
John Soellner
by chiefs63 on Nov 9, 2009 6:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
All I know is...
Leggette played well last season. Pollard and Page were better last season than what they have now and David Gibbs the second best coach on the team (Gailey first) is gone. These guys are grown men and this stuff will escalate. Nobody is going to put up with Egoli and Hailme’s nonsense, this ain’t the forties anymore.
by FrankPitts on Nov 9, 2009 7:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
FYI
I see these stupid nicknames and any valid argument you may have had gets lost on me. If you are going to make a point, do it in a mature way and I am willing to bet you will have more people backing you.
by Fong on Nov 9, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree with that, Fong
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 9, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pollard is
way better than this dousch… brown and that is the bottom line.
by cainsbigonchiefs on Nov 9, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am absolutely astounded and apalled by some of your behavior.
I will say this for the last time: if you want to prolong the Chiefs miserable ways, we can hire a new head coach every damn season. Haley hasn’t even had a full year under his belt, and you’re already calling for him being fired! WE GAVE HERM SUCKWARDS THREE DAMN YEARS!
9-7, 4-12, 2-14. Do you see ANY improvement during his era? Haley inherited a 2-14 team. He’s had to deal with a horrendous o-line riddled with injuries, TEs who can’t block, safeties who take horrible tackling angles, etc…
Call for Clancy’s head, call for a gutting of the o-line or defense, but don’t call for Haley’s head quite yet. It’s extremely unfair and uncalled for.
by SupremeChief on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let me take a shot.
Yes, our O-Line is bad. It was bad last year, too, but that’s what the off-season is for: to correct issues you’ve got with noted problem areas on your team. We didn’t do that. Our free agent moves have amounted to picking up has-beens and other teams’ practice squad fodder. And we spent picks in the draft on back-ups (Magee). That’s not on Herm and Carl, that’s on Todd and Scott.
Yes, we have 4 TEs and none of them can block and none of them can catch. Seems like that wasn’t an issue last year. If I recall correctly, we gave up an offensive weapon — a playmaker who was one of our top receivers and could block — by some accounts (810 Sports) because he didn’t want to come to non-mandatory OTAs. That’s not on Herm or Carl, that’s on Todd and Scott.
We had a great secondary tandem last year. It was one of the few bright spots on the team. We cut one of those guys because he refused to be let the new head coach cuss at him, got nothing for him whatsoever, and now he’s excelling on another team. That’s not on Herm or Carl, that’s on Todd and Scott.
It may have been wrong to expect immediate improvement. I don’t, however, think it was wrong to expect some improvement and as near as I can tell, we’ve taken big steps backward rather than forward. That’s a problem that can be laid at the feet of Todd and Scott and, while I agree that we need to have some patience, we also have every right to hold those guys accountable.
by JacinB on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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