Random Observations from the Chiefs vs Jaguars
by ChiefDJ on Nov 8, 2009 6:04 PM CST
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- Why did Haley give up on the running game before the game even started? Larry Johnson gets 20 carries a game to run up Niswangers butt for 2.7 yds a carry, but he only gives Jamaal Charles 6 carries (for 6 yds a carry), Kolby Smith 4 carries (for 4.3 yds a carry). Maybe if he had committed to the run with RBs who actually gained yardage we could have stayed on the field for more than 3 downs at a time.
- Chiefs offense only converted 31% of their 3rd downs. The defense allowed Jacksonville to convert 56% of theirs.
- Anyone else noticed how much Cassel double clutches the ball before he passes?
- Tyson Jackson had 2 solo tackles and 3 assists going into todays game. Today he had 7 solo tackles.
- Mike Brown had 3 tackles today and blew coverage on a Jaguars TD. Bernard Pollard had 12 combined Tackles (9 solo), 2 interceptions and 3 passes defended for the Texans against the Colts.
- Maurice Jones-Drew was held to 2.7 yds per carry. The other two Jaguars RBs had a combined 23 yds per carry.
- The Jaguars defense had 5 sacks in seven games. Today the Chiefs gave up 3 (plus 8 QB hurries).
- Haley decided to try to kick a 56 yard field goal into winds gusting up to 30 mph at the end of the half that would have been returned for a TD if the holder (Dustin Colquitt) had not tripped the returner up out of bounds.
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Uhhh...
MJD had 29 rushing attempts for 97 yards. That’s 3.3 YPC… plus 3 catches for 37.
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're right on the rushing stats
Misread the stat line. Thanks
by ChiefDJ on Nov 8, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haley decided to try to kick a 56 yard field goal into winds gusting up to 30 mph at the end of the half that would have been returned for a TD if the holder (Dustin Colquitt) had not tripped the returner up out of bounds.
Yeah and if Haley went for it on 4th down everyone would have flipped out about how he passed up points.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2009 6:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the easiest thing to do is second guess things that don't go well
if he had taken a knee, people would have been like, “let succop kick it!”
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 8, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Everyone would have ripped him if he didn’t try the kick. I thought it was an OK call. Probably had a better chance than trying for the endzone and Succop has shown that he’s got a hell of a leg. Thank God for Colquitt saving the touchdown on that one though.
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly
A 56 yard kick even without kicking against the wind is clearly out of FG range.
by ChiefDJ on Nov 8, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
We have heard about Ryan kicking 57 yarders wih room to spare in practice. I will take a FG try at the end of the half every time. The special teams has to make the tackle if it is short and this time they did. I am glad they tried it.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and did you notice DJ ONCE AGAIN came up with a turnover?
Please tell me someone noticed this…
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Nov 8, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yep.
and DeMorrio played pretty poorly overall
Maybe DJ starts to get phased back in?
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* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
Seems to me that DJ has been making the most of his playing time. Maybe he just needed a wakeup call.
We all know how DJ does a few good things and disappears for long periods of time when he starts. My theory is that he was benched due to those disappearing acts. I’m guessing that Williams just showed more consistency in being in the right place from play to play. If DJ can do that, I bet he breaks back into the starting lineup because he definitely has the ability to make game changing plays.
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Somethin tells me no.
He has sacks, turnovers…and yet hes still not in the starting lineup?
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Nov 8, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Longhorns fan first, and a Chiefs fan second
I was thrilled when KC drafted one of my three favorite Longhorns of all time. But when the team doesn’t use him when he’s so obviously out-performing guys whose spots he should take, it makes me want him to be traded or cut.
Frick, bring him here to Baltimore. I guarantee the guy would start inside.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown
He’s my goat of the game. I’m sure he did some good things, but he looked like absolute shit to me. I don’t really care that Pollard is gone (although he had a hell of a day, good for him) but Brown is definitely not the answer there.
Also, good to see Goff benched. Did he come in after Alleman was injured? I didn’t notice. It did seem like Cassel had better protection at a few points today (though not near good enough).
Definitely would have liked to see some more of the running game. One thing I noticed was that the damn delayed handoff they always use with LJ actually worked a couple times today. WTF??
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This would've been a perfect place to insert the Jurassic Park scene with the T-rex and the goat
But I can’t find it online. Bummer. Please just pretend that I found it, and that it’s posted in ultra-super-high-definition right here on AP.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how about jeff Goldblum and the T Rex
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by upamtn on Nov 8, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely took a bad angle.
Still looking slow in coverage. Do the Chiefs really need a LB wearing #30? Much respect for Brown’s knowledge of the game and leadership, but he’s a clear liability in coverage.
But I must say that Brandon Carr didn’t hold up his end. To my eye, he should be the one corner the Safety can kinda worry less about and cheat away from him. Granted, Brown looked bad missing Sims-Walker, but Carr gave up on the route, apparently seeing something (biting on a pump-fake? – Not entirely clear) in the o-backfield. He’s the one corner that can maybe free up other hats in the middle of the field, by taking away the sideline route by himself, and he should not let that pass go unopposed.
I’ve been critical of DaJuan Morgan’s ability to get off the block. He made some nice plays that refute my critique.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Goff came in for a play or two, then Alleman was back
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my fucking god
Bernie picked Peyton twice today? I didn’t see that stat yet. Still wish I wouldn’t have
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by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 8, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
I really don’t miss him but damn! Why is it that mediocre players leave and then play like pro-bowlers?
I remember seeing Kawika Mitchell in highlights for the Bills last year (I believe). Keyaron Fox of all people scored a TD for Pittsburgh recently? Tynes, Fujita, etc etc. Ridiculous.
At least Samie Parker didn’t turn into a star receiver.
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, even Kris Wilson scored a TD today
Remember that guy?
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was his first catch on the year, or something.
Maybe they said “8” catches and that was his first TD of the year.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Urgh
I remember when that was the justification for the drafting of him. Absolutely ridiculous.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the reason they gave for drafting Jared Allen, too.
Carl was big on versatility. If you recall, Jared was a long snapper, too.
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by Big Chief on Nov 8, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember that justification at all
Even if it was, which I don’t think it was the case, Allen was a later pick who was an accomplished pass-rusher in FCS ball. It’s not like he was moving around like Urlacher (safety, OLB, TE, and I believe a couple other spots). Allen was a hand-on-the-ground DE who had a few question marks about his use of hands and his strength.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 9, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Peyton twice
He picked off Reggie Wayne, a WR. That’s a huge difference. Also I saw his return on the Manning int, he looked so slow. I’d still rather have him over Brown though
by The Other Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost posted a complaint about the going away from the running game
Drives me nuts. Haley stick with the run when its going nowhere (LJ vs. philly is the best example – 19 carries for 38 yards) but abandons the run with things going well. Given our current situation I have no problem with running back by committee I hate the way he did it: Give an guy an entire drive to try and get in a groove – don’t overthink things and get each guy in and out of the same drive. I really don’t see how anybody can be objectively impressed with Haley’s play calling
by paxi on Nov 8, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Personally, I like Haley, but I don’t think I want him calling the plays. Alot of the failures are due to lack of execution, but some of his decisions just leave me scratching my head.
I’m hoping that this offseason will be a big one for them. Pioli and Haley really had to cobble together a staff since they got started so late. They don’t have the people they want in quite a few positions I’m guessing.
My theory is that Haley is just doing the HC/OC/QB coach thing because he doesn’t have someone he thinks he can trust in those positions. I’m hoping that with a full offseason he can find the guys he wants and put them in there to help.
I think he’s just got too much going on with all the responsibility, especially being a rookie head coach. He needs a few years to figure everything out without having to worry about the rest. Like someone said, I think he calls plays with way too much emotion, and not enough objectivity.
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a kool-aid addict, I won't say he has too much on his plate.
I can see that he’s not having a whole lot of success (measured in wins), as yet. But I think Haley’s a solid administrator, based on the sorts of things he’s said since day 1. I think it’s clear that there was a problem with this offense before Haley took it over. Might fault him for making a poor choice @ OC, initially, but I think they were anticipating the offense would be as good as before, plus a little somethin’, and that wasn’t what he was seeing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Good points. I think he’s very capable, but surely he can benefit from the extra help that two more guys would bring. I don’t expect him to bring anyone in this season, but I hope he does for the next. Like I said, I don’t think it’s an ego thing on his part, I think it’s just that he doesn’t have anyone he trusts and he realized whatever it was about Gailey too late.
Haley’s got his hands full on the sideline so at this point there’s no one to help the offense adjust between series. There’s no one to help Cassel with little tweaks to his mechanics.
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's easy to say, Scootness, but from where we sit, we see successful HC-OC combos all the time.
And every HC in every game is going to look like he has his hands full. But you could just as easily say that Rogaine is what causes a double-amputee problems playing basketball, and cite his poor statistics as proof.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
And great analogy. By having his hands full, I just mean that he needs to run all aspects of the team, so he’s not able to help the offense on the sidelines while the defense is on the field.
I do think he’s capable but surely his job would be easier if he didn’t have to worry about doing all three jobs in his first season as a HC. I just wonder if the proper attention is being paid to everything. He can’t micro-manage all of it at the same time and someone needs to be doing that.
Regardless, I haven’t lost faith in him yet. Even though he confuses me sometimes I still think he’s taking this team down the right road for long term success.
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it.
If he’s a decent manager of his time, he’ll handle OC, along with everyone else.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But...
How many of those HC/OC/QB coaches are rookies?
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which is precisely why he has no business trying to do all 3 jobs ... BECAUSE he's a rookie HC
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by upamtn on Nov 8, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Reid did it his first season.
And he said he totally understood why Haley did it and that it’s probably the right thing.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're making judgement on general principles, but probably without enough facts to really judge well.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which facts are in question?
The fact is that most guys who wear the HC/OC hats simultaneously are not rookie HCs like Haley, but guys who have been HCs for a while.
Of course Andy Reid understands why Haley did it, because he did it, too. What else would you expect him to say? As to whether Reid thinks it’s the right course for Haley, he’s naturally entitled to his opinion. And I accept that he’s in a position to have a well-informed one.
Personally… I am a bit uneasy about Haley being the HC/OC/OB coach as a rookie HC. Not because I think he can’t do it, but because I think it’s harder to do three jobs than it is to do one job.
And… I’d have been a helluva lot less uneasy about it if he had decided on this course back in the spring, rather than 10 days before the season opener. That did not speak well to Haley’s ability to evaluate the skills of his assistant coaches, or to judge their compatibility with him. That’s a big part of his job.
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 9, 2009 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I think it’d be smart if Haley had found at least a guy to whom he could delegate. It’s critical that the HC have a buffer and lower-level manager to take delegated tasks off the HC’s hands. He doesn’t have that right now, and I think it’s a bad move.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chambers is a fantasy WR2 pickup
Charles was supposed to be a feature back with many carries, but Haley still seems not to want to give him much work. The second half of the season is when the CHiefs play well, and Cassel’s should find success if the Chiefs are not going to run the ball very much despite Charle’s 6 yard per carry average today. Pickup Chris Chambers if you play fantasy football, and start him during week 14 of the fantasy football playoffs against the raiders if their shut down corner covers Bowie. winningalert.com
by winningalert.com on Nov 8, 2009 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Nov 8, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
6ypc
I was thinking, okay, six yards per carry. That’s good. But take away the longest run, as people often illogically do, and surely his average will look more pedestrian. Not really, though. It actually results in about a 4.6ypc average.
I really do have to wonder why one wouldn’t perhaps try to go with the hot hand a little.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 8, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice, DJ. Disagree on the FG attempt.
Other observations: Lance Long and Chris Chambers, recent additions, change the landscape. Definitely an offense on the up-tick. Made a fair amount of progress on WRs this year. Will go into the offseason a little stronger than they were a year ago. Pioli’s been “churning the roster” all year, and has taken advantage of KC’s (un)enviable position with regard to the waiver wire.
As for Pollard, it’s likely he was on the field later on, when the Colts delivered the coup-de-grace at the end? Pleased for Pollard, for finding a better place. And for all the problems he seemed to have with Clancy and Haley, I think maybe he’s mentally toughened by the experience, and spends a little more time on his own, working on things maybe nobody’s telling him, but that he sees in himself.
Protections blew up on Cassel – a LOT. Bit more activity by RBs in protection than I feel I was seeing from LJ.
Cassel also set up and delivered throws down the field with MORE time more often, and, with a couple exceptions, had more convincing and tougher-to-defend targets to go to with Chambers and Long on the field. Also noticing that, rather than hoping D-Bowe will show him the desired separation, just trusting D-Bowe to make the play. We might be turning the corner with D-Bowe, from solid stats production to game-winning passing game. Other note: Maybe the reason Long was expendable in AZ was their talent level and his own greenness. Costing the Chiefs a timeout, rather than running out of bounds with the first down in hand is a situational error that kills.
Leaning (again) toward looking for top-shelf left tackle. Waiting for KaloPhoenix or stagdsp to tell me what to think, but Branden Albert jumped out at me more than a few times as not being up to the task. Maybe he should watch “Blind Side” or something.
As for playcalling, DJ, I think they’re getting closer to having the kind of personnel that are going to actually be able to execute the plays
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh....
Pollard started the game for the Texans. He’s been starting for a a few games now. As far as Houston fans are concerned… he’s becoming a star.
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, we know
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by upamtn on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You and I know, Upamtn...
but apparently HMills doesn’t.
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a star that Texans fans admit can't cover very well.
And the Texans struggled against extra-wides sets, same as the Chiefs did with Pollard. But he’s a star, at least. Got that goin’ for him.
I don’t know how you got the impression that I didn’t know Pollard was starting for the Texans. And I know their fans love him. But if you looked at their fansites, you’d see them saying the same things about Pollard’s weaknesses. Never said he was a bad player, but not the safety the Chiefs need. I think he’s made ‘em more stout against the run, and has picked off some passes. That’s good for him. But, again, he hasn’t fixed the Texans’ structural weaknesses against extra wides. Chiefs had the same problem, and just played around it with Cunningham as DC, leaving big cushion, and never asking him to run with anybody.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a mystery
You said, “As for Pollard, it’s likely he was on the field later on, when the Colts delivered the coup-de-grace at the end?” How else was I supposed to interpret that? It simply appeared to me you didn’t have the facts in hand. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
Thanks for the lecture on Pollard, but I didn’t need it.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 9, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so tired of Pollard talk
from the sounds of it, he had not bought into the team concept, he was a liability in coverage, and got released.
I don’t care if he makes the friggin Pro Bowl along with Kris Wilson and Alphonso Boone…
No longer a Chief, no need to discuss him. What-ifs don’t help.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice observation on T-Jax.
I noticed him showing some attitude after the play. Looked like a “You ain’t as tough as they say you are” kind of thing goin’ on between him ‘n’ Jones-Drew.
Kenny Smith – He’s playing more like a 3-4 NT than Tank Tyler was. Might turn out to be a steal for the Chiefs. Wow!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Smith
really?
I didn’t get to see much of the game, so I didn’t notice him… but it’s good to hear he’s holding his own!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not just about tackles
it’s about getting push on the pocket and tying up blockers
IF he’s doing that, he’s contributing
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 9, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't get to watch the game
who played at TE?
seems like we’re going to get some plays from the receivers with bowe, chambers, long and wade….and Pope at te, and if charles is ever utilized…
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by chief Stevie_k on Nov 8, 2009 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Pope ever gets utilized
Sure am tired of seeing Sean Ryan drop passes… AND get man-handled on the edge.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And what the hell ever happened to Cottam? I’d like to see him get some playing time. Surely he can do better than Ryan. Doesn’t take much.
by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. It appears they're assembling some weapons on offense.
Much as I like to malign O-Line, better skill players WILL have positive impact, and maybe the O-Line can settle into something semi-consistent…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ - you should have included Tony G's numbers as well
and Dallas Clark had a big day, so throw those in, too.
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by Big Chief on Nov 8, 2009 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Helps increase the randomness, you know.
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