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Multiple Reports Say NFLPA, Not LJ, Possibly Wants to File Grievance

Before today's loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reiterated a report from PFT last week that Chiefs RB Larry Johnson would not fight it if the team chose to deactivate him for the rest of the season, keeping him from earning a $62,500 bonus each game.

If he chose not to fight it, then today's running backs, Jamaal Charles, Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage, are likely the three that'll carry the load from here on out.

And, if that's the case, then the showdown will be this Sunday against the Oakland Raiders.  LJ will be back at the Chiefs facility tomorrow, per the terms of his suspension.

LJ talk after the jump (if you're sick of the situation, then I would suggest not clicking 'Continue reading').

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To get you caught up, last week, PFT reported that Larry Johnson and his agent, Peter Schaffer, are not expected to file a grievance if he is not the starter when he returns.

Also last week, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that the NFLPA wanted to file a grievance if he isn't the starter.

So what happens when a player and the union disagree?  Well, in this case the player will win.  It's not just a matter of semantics - the player has to actually file the grievance (with the NFLPA backing him if he does).  The NFLPA does not file the grievance themselves in this case.

After LJ filed a grievance last week that ultimately resulted in a settlement, Schaffer relayed a similar message from LJ.

"He kept saying, `You go to a grievance hearing, they can get adversarial and I don't want to be that way,'" Schaffer said.  "He said, `I plan on being a Chief the next Monday, so why would I want to fight with somebody when the next day I will be fighting for them?'

Is this really the case?  I'm not so sure.  Per Chris Mortensen on Sunday NFL Countdown this morning, even though LJ would be losing his $62,500 per game bonus, it might be in his best interest to not fight a season-long deactivation by the Chiefs.

"The problem is," Mortensen reported today, "Johnson has to initiate the grievance and he ha sent signals he won't fight the Chiefs on anything, preferring to diplomatically ease his way out of town for 2010 and maybe save himself some wear and tear."

I've said this before and firmly believe it - if LJ's avenue out of town is to be a bratty PR nightmare then other teams are going to take notice and think twice before they sign him if/when he's a free agent.  I'm not saying other teams will necessarily ignore him - just that GMs across the league notice the pattern of behavior.

Also today, the Chiefs rushed the ball 14 times for 60 yards, which is a 4.3 average.  LJ, of course, has averaged 2.7 yards per carry this season so it's hard to say the Chiefs really missed him at all, which would only strengthen the possibilities that the Chiefs would deactivate him for the season (although there's been no indication from the team that they'll do that).

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I didn't see the game

But judging by the stats, Haley doesn’t appear confident giving JC the load. I can see limiting Kolby Smith’s carries since he is coming back from a serious injury, but JC wasn’t given much of a chance. I realize we were playing from behind much of the game, but still.

All signs point to an LJ return at this point.

by Nick Britt on Nov 8, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

i agree

Jamaal got about as many carries as he did with LJ in there.

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He Did A Lot More With Them, Though

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you mean?

He did about the same as he does when Larry plays

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Really

Jamaal Charles: 6 ypc today, 5.0 for the year

Larry Johnson: 2.7 ypc for the season

Jamaal has done more with the opportunities he’s been given all season. He should be the starter for the rest of 2009.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

Fire Haley now.

by UCrawford on Nov 8, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they just threw the ball all day

part of playing from behind…

neither RB had enough carries to really get going, Haley confirmed that in his post game presser…

he did seem positive about both guys, just said we “need to run the ball more” but, “those guys obviously have some juice”

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope that isnt true

If Haley gave up on the run being behind by 8 at the half and 11 at the end of 3 I am really concerned about his ability to call plays.

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

well, look at the numbers

only 10 rushing attempts between those two guys

compared to 39 pass attempts by Cassel

Haley said in the postgame interview that it was a product of what the defense was giving them… like they were stacking and blitzing against the run.

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Then Cassel sucks even more than I thought

If the Jags were giving them the pass

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I partly blame Cassel and I partly blame the OL

I mean…WHEN Cassel had time he made bad passes…BUT when he doesn’t have time he makes OK throws….I think if we upgrade the OL and let Cassel get used to having time in the pocket then he will be ok.

by Wrestler189s on Nov 8, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

LMAO!!!
WHEN Cassel had time he made bad passes…BUT when he doesn’t have time he makes OK throws

Maybe they shouldnt block at all then!

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That is not a good sign

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't believe much of what Mort says

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

we wont have long to wait

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

He made it sound like since LJ didn’t file against his suspension he was trying to rest his legs for the rest of the season. I don’t buy that, it goes against what his agent said about the previous settlement. You don’t fight the suspension because you want to be on the team, you fight for your 600k or whatever will be missed out if they don’t want him on the team.

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

See ya LJ.

It was nice to not see LJ up the middle for no gain 15-20 times. The bad part was Cassel looked pretty bad again.

by kc2win on Nov 8, 2009 5:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

less than if they cut him

they save 60k per game as an active roster bonus

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season

by stagdsp on Nov 8, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

base salary

about 2.5 mill the rest of the way

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

Doesnt matter much

We have the cap room

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats it?!

Cut him now…and sign some FA in the offseason with that cap space…

by Wrestler189s on Nov 8, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

They wont sign anyone in the offseason...

The Chiefs are spending like the Royals…As little as possible

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

well they need to...

because this draft isnt gonna turn this team into contenders…we need other players help

by Wrestler189s on Nov 8, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Clark needs to save money

to keep his first love (soccer) afloat

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Tell that to the guy

that owns 2 soccer teams and 1 football team. The Chiefs will be supporting MLS

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

His dad did

But Clark did the day to day stuff. Clark has skipped Chief games to go to soccer games. I don’t think Lamar would have

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s pretty clear that after all years of asking the chefs to let him go LJ is going to get his wish. I hope they let him go right now and not play this silly game of benching him for the rest of the season. After watching the game today, it’s pretty clear that by rushing 12 times in the game the coach is sending a clear message that we have no running game.

Keeping him on the sidelines for the rest of the season will come back and bite them in the ass. All three backup running backs have been hurt in the past and are going to get hurt again. If they go down then they will have to let LJ play, but by then he will not want to. Who would?

Start him or let him go.

by kcbh on Nov 8, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions  

Good point

If you deactivate him and then need him latter on? Not a good formula…Better off cutting him let him get his ring. Isn’t NE in need of a RB right now? Doesn’t Pioli owe BB?

Predictions for 2009:

LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 6-10

by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The chefs would look pretty bad crawling back to LJ and ask him to play again.

Let him go and move on.

It will happen fans, these guys that ran today are paper tigers.

by kcbh on Nov 8, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Hate to say it but...

For some reason I see LJ jumping right back into the starting role. It’s like they’re afraid of him or something, which is odd to me considering everything else about Haley. I really hope they just bench him, but I just don’t see it happening.

The team has tons of problems, but I think that LJ is one of the biggest. Obviously your starting RB is a pretty big part of the team and he is completely useless. Not only does he not produce, but his general attitude just brings the team down, and you can’t have that from one of your crucial skill players. You think the line goes out there all fired up and ready to make holes for him? Hell no.

I guarantee that the players around him aren’t motivated by him. He needs to be a leader and he’s about the furthest thing from it. His bitchy, cry-baby attitude is nothing but a detriment to the team. I can’t wait until he’s gone altogether.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 7:14 PM CST reply actions  

No disrespect but I have seen no evidence that the players have a problem with LJ. If you have any, please post it so I can understand your post.

As far a the being a motivator for other players I don’t remember many running backs playing that role. Plus they are professional, they don’t need some rah rah type dude in there grills.

by kcbh on Nov 8, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

No

You’re correct. I don’t have any evidence. It’s just my feeling. LJ doesn’t seem to be a team player at all. In my eyes, he’s just out there for himself. For the paycheck and for the attention. I don’t think he cares or believes in the team one bit. He clearly doesn’t want to be in KC, and he shows that. He gets pissy when they’re not winning and when he’s not getting a shitload of carries.

I don’t know that any of the other players particularly have a problem with him, but I’m sure that he doesn’t inspire anyone to play a little harder than usual. Priest always had a good rapport with his line and I’ll bet that probably helped him. Given, LJ had very good stats behind that same line, so I could be wrong, but I just can’t see those guys really giving 110% for someone with LJ’s bitchy attitude.

You’re right that he doesn’t need to be a cheerleader, but I’m sure it would be beneficial to have someone in the backfield that lead by a good example, rather than being like him.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Nov 8, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think most of offensive linemen respect him because he runs to the block, he is not a guy who cuts back and waste their effort all the time.

I am ok with you having personal reasons to dislike him, I just don’t feel the same way.

by kcbh on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

It's going to be interesting to see what they do with LJ

With Kolby being activated they’re going to have to sit one of them – LJ, Kolby, Charles, Savage. I think LJ might get a seat unless one of the other guys gets an injury. It will be interesting.

"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." ~Oscar Wilde

by Big Chief on Nov 8, 2009 11:47 PM CST reply actions  

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