Late Rally Comes up Short for the Kansas City Chiefs
by Chris Thorman on Nov 8, 2009 3:11 PM CST
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PrintAn exciting final few minutes for the Kansas City Chiefs didn't even out a terrible game on nearly every front. The Chiefs only lost by three points - 24 to 21 - and the late comeback effort showed a lot of heart. But if you were going to divide this game up, it would have been 56 minutes of bad football and 4 minutes of aggressive, on point execution by the Chiefs.
Here are a few of my thoughts on the game. Add yours in the comments. More to come later this afternoon, of course.
The Good
- Hello Chris Chambers! He caught a 54-yard TD pass and a 5-yard TD pass late in the game.
- The Chiefs recovered an onside kick, which Ryan Succop picked up.
- In the last five minutes of the game, the Chiefs got aggressive and it worked. Matt Cassel made two big passing plays late in the game on throws that were just heaves.
- The Chiefs only had one penalty the entire game.
The Bad
- The running game did not get it done once again, despite looking better than the normal Larry Johnson fare. The team only rushed for 60 yards. (Note: On second thought, looking at the YPC, it wasn't so bad)
- The Chiefs were 4/13 on third down, keeping them right around their 20% season average.
The Ugly
- Anyone see Brodie Croyle's hair on the sidelines? Yikes. Was he also wearing an earring?
- No wonder this game was blacked out in Jacksonville. There were tons of empty seats at the stadium from the start of the game.
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Can we run the 2 min offense the whole game?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
only if the other team runs a drop-back prevent defense the entire game
… think they will?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
You're onto something with Cassel hesitating to throw
He did perform better as the playcalling became more aggressive, though.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
He takes too many sacks
He is indecisive
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
I still say there is more to that
And it is a trust issue, IMO.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Trust of who?
Himself? Pioli, Vrabel? He did the same crap last year….
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
His OLine to keep pressure off of him..
His WRs to get open and be looking for the ball… there ARE other factors.
I’ll give you your points when they’re warranted, but I dont think you view this game as the ultimate team sport. There are plenty of other factors.
Cassel has to throw the ball, yes, but the WRs have to be seeing the same pressure the QB is seeing and have to get open and be looking for the ball, and the playcalls have to be called with those things in mind.
There ARE other factors. Cassel was successful in a different system and also manged to have back to back 300 yard games, so he’s quite capable.
You disagree?
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Wow! What a finish--
Wasn’t a win but it’s great to see fire at the end of the game. So many of Herm’s teams simply “checked out” if they were down by a lot. I think we’re going to win one or two more this year.
A late ralley does not a good game make
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
you ever watch star wars?
You ever listen to yoda?
I meant to say that :P Grammar police are just a bit overkill today!
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by Buck'O on Nov 8, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
nice - rec'd
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Hell No
Retire like Rickey Williams and come back in 2 years to another team
by His Royal Greatness on Nov 8, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
no
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Nov 8, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
The only reason they got a C because of the last 3 minutes
It is apparent that we need to pass to get up quickly and grind it out old skool-like to win the game and keep the D fresh.
by His Royal Greatness on Nov 8, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions
Oh and no more ints from cassel i hope.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
3 Bright spots
Running game looked better…but not enough opportunities….bad play calling in my opinion
Long…..kid is a spark plug, anothe rgood outing
Chambers, great pick up, other teams are gonna have to pay attention to him too
Long may be a spark plug
but he made a stupid, stupid mistake by not stepping out of bounds in the last drive of the first half. Cost the Chiefs a time out, very likely a score… and if you extend it the rest of the way, perhaps even the ball game.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
long did make a boneheaded play cutting back into the field
at the end of the half…. at least our MVP colquitt ran mathis down….
Despite the rough start I thought the worst part of that game was in the 3rd Qtr
The offense was totally out of sync. Problems with the snap, obvious mixups on the routes. That’s when Haley sat down with the O and they seemed to get it worked out. But that was grim.
I liked the end and I have hope for the next game, but this was a “D”.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Another game in the always puzzling "Battle of the Bays"
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Be aggressive
Those short dinky passes are getting old. Its a bad team. Take some chances and see what happens. K-State ran a triple reverse against KU yesterday (yes I know its a bad example) but in my mind a team with inferior talent used every means necessary to take down a better team. Sometimes you just have to say “What the f***” and just go after it.
wtf
any of you who are giving c’s and d’s obviously didn’t watch the game
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Nov 8, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions
And the correct grade is?
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
57.5 mins of F
2.5 mins of offense A. 60 mins Defense F
= D- in my book, wasn’t an option apparently..so rounded up. My VP at work would round up to A
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
No penalties...
no turnovers gets a lot in my book. Mistake free football goes a long way.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
F is getting blown out at home by SD
Grading on a curve this was clearly a D
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
They lost
Hard to see an A or B with a loss. If they play the first three quarters like they played the last one thats what you want. Constantly playing from behind is a killer.
btw
they only played good on offense the last 6 mins of the fourth quarter, not the entire fourth quarter
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Nov 8, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Where the Bs are coming from
is beyond me.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Panthers have 14-0 in Saints-Panthers game. Go Panthers.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
I'm with you - Brees is the opposing QB in my FF game this week.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
i was winning until that game started,
Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
.
by teabaggingexper on Nov 8, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't winning...
But I certainly was in good position TO win. Going to need a couple of TDs from the Saints D/ST, yet again.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Worst season ever....
I am matching the Chiefs…..
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Can't count how many times this season..
Opposing players have put up their best games against my fantasy team. Not to mention my team name is KC Misery with a Chiefs logo.
I apparently was doomed from the start.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
same here
im now begging opposing teams to start chiefs players against me.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
not so that i win at ff...
but so that the chiefs might actually win.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
King Carl
I am intitiating the bring back King Carl intitiative. He may be a dick but a better judge of talent and he would not hang stupid non sensical signs in the locker room.
Also, please bring back harvey williams and pat dennis. Could they be worse?
you can't be serious????
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Nov 8, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
a 24-21 loss is deceiving...
But i wouldn t want Herm or King Carl back ever
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Only if you didn't watch the game
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
OK .... As Engvall says - Here's Your Sign
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
I used to have a harvey williams football card....
and I think it was even when he was with the raiders… but king carl… ummm no
Hilarious.
While we’re at it, can William Bartee come back—maybe as a returner as well as a cornerback? And what about Sean LaChapelle?? He was big like Sippio, but came with NFL talent.
Maybe Tre Stallings can play blocking TE too….
/hahahahahahahahah
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Did anyone see Pollard today?
2 picks… Compared to the guy Haley thought was better, 2 opponent TDs…
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
bet tank and turk are doing good by year's end too
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Nov 8, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
We'll have to check the box scores...
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
And they lost
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
They played a better team
Brown makes any attempt at taking an angle on the ball and we got a shot
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Brown used what I like to call "the Pollard angles"
Pollard is just the devil you know.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pollard is just the devil you know.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
nice - rec'd
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Actually, that would be "Debil"
And the Debil don’t like da Foosball.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
Actually
In this context the Debil would like foosball because it is evil.
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HALEY DOESN"T MAKE PERSONEL MOVES!!!
Jesus fucking christ… Not only that but Pollard got into a spat with Pendergast, so if your going to be pissed at a coach, be pissed at him. Its ridiculous to be mad at Haley for that.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
You know what?
It occurs to me that you just might be right. How could Haley possibly have time to make roster moves?
/sarcasm
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Is Bono
and Elliot still blamable?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Nahhhh
The statute of limitations has expired. Dammit.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
DV, Herm, Gun, the King?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
As far as most people are concerned
the statute of limitations on Carl Peterson will never expire.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
No way - Elliot should be in the Chiefs "Goat of Fame"
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Why is it that people always have to be reminded
that Lake Dawson dropped a pass in the end zone late in that game? Elliot played like crap, to be sure… but Dawson had the victory in his hands, too.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Lots of guys blew that game, including Marty
But Elliot sucked all season and then went over the top in that game. He’ll always go down as one of the absolute worst Chiefs ever.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Fair enough
There was plenty of blame to go around.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Except for Marcus, who played like a champ that day
If Marty would have given the game to Marcus even Elliot wouldn’t have been able to lose it for us.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
But Lake Dawson
Didn’t drop three makeable TD catches. If Len just missed one field goal, he would had been only mildly disliked not despised with the fury of a 1000 Suns.
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Then I'm blaming Grbac.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
Tampa won
in the cream sickle unis
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
CLASSIC - I didn't realize they were wearing the throwbacks
I gotta watch the highlights.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
We did get a new player nickname today, though...
Ryan “Hands” Succop :-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Matt Cassel was horrible for most of the game
He is one of the few QB’s in the NFL that is plain lousy when he scrambles. He is barely a good pocket passer.
I don’t think the o-line should get the bum wrap week after week .
Colquitt & Succop were a big part of the excitement today.
Agreed 100%
I just wonder if he got those passes at the end because of the wind instead of in spite of it…..
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Cassel almost threw all hope away
If one of Jax’s defenders hadn’t batted the ball away from his own man, the score wouldn’t have been nearly as close.
by mcclanahanman on Nov 8, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I am being nice....
People think I am hard on Cassel…But he sucked until the end
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
I think Cassel gets too much blame from some people
He has issues – he tends to hold the ball too long and he has had problems throwing deep, and he needs to work on his play fakes. But I think he shows good leadership, he doesn’t make many stupid throws (damn few outside of the run against SD) and has pretty good accuracy. I still think he has the potential to grow into being a top tier QB.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
His problems are coachable
Too bad the QB coach doesn’t have time to coach him
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Yeah - I'm with you on that
I didn’t think Haley being OC was an issue, but I’ve been concerned about him being the QB coach from the start. It would be OK if you had a couple of veteran QBs, but we have a stable of young guys that I think would be helped a lot by having a QB coach. In fact my main concern coming out of the bye is that I had hoped Haley would name one. I can only hope someone is doing that job even if they don’t have the title.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Whenever he
was on the sidelines, someone was going over pics & plays in a large notebook with him. Don’t know who it was, but everytime they showed Cassel on the bench they were discyssing things from the book.
I think that would happen regardless
It’s during the week and helping them with their mechanics and timing that is just a function of coaching time. I don’t believe Haley can do that effectively. I can’t help but think that if Haley had found someone he liked that Cassel would be playing better, and therefore this team would be better.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
I think Cassel gets too much blame from some people
He has issues – he tends to hold the ball too long and he has had problems throwing deep, and he needs to work on his play fakes. But I think he shows good leadership, he doesn’t make many stupid throws (damn few outside of the run against SD) and has pretty good accuracy. I still think he has the potential to grow into being a top tier QB.
Go back and watch games, Cassel throws around one to two would be picks every game, he has to be one of the luckiest SOB’s on the planet to not even lose one out of every 3 of those. He does make stupid mistakes with the ball when he’s trying to take the game onto his shoulders, he’s not top tier material, he could be another Trent Dilfer or Neil O’Donnell with some good coaching, nothing more.
by mcclanahanman on Nov 8, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
His receivers also drop two or three balls every game
You might be right about Cassel, only time will tell. But the MAIN REASON the Chiefs haven’t won a SuperBowl since Lenny retired is because as an organization they haven’t developed a QB. One of the ways you guarantee failure is to bail on a QB or Coach in less than a season. I’m just glad that we FINALLY have a GM with the brains to realize that developing a QB has to be priority one.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Those were pictures
of Tom Brady’s rejected girlfriends. ;-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
so we had what ... no turnovers and 1 penalty?
and still nothing til it was way too late
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
I Voted D
It was expected Cassel would have a better passing day facing a weak pass rush but he really didn’t do anything until the end. I think the announcer said it best on one of the plays where Chambers and Cassel were way off, weather it’s Cassel throwing early or Chambers turning late it happens way too often. We need to get our completetions when we have the chance.
I thought 3rd down conversions were our focus today?
The last 3 minutes when the team played hard and did not give up was awesome, it’s good to see but over all, it has to be 60 minutes of hard play, not just 3 at the end.
I like how our RBs ran hard, their effort may not have been big numbers-wise but as stated above I think that had more to do with play calling, when we began to establish the run we’d go back to passing until we were in a hole and had to pass.
I hope the team takes the energy from the end of this game and brings it next week.
I'm up north so I got the Patriots-Dolphins game
whats the opinion on Chambers. Good pickup so far or just another garbage TD?
Good pick up in my opinion
He actually got open a couple of times. Something that our WRs have struggled with. Hopefully it’s a sign of things to come.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
pretty good actually
considering he joined the team this past TUESDAY……..he actually CATCHES balls thrown to him
Any WR on the roster could have caught Chambers' first TD
He was wide open, and the ball dropped right into his hands. For the second one, he definitely deserves credit for making a good play.
Bowe is the WR who stood up today. Both late drives hinged on amazing catches he made.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Well not really
he actually had the speed to get wide open down-field. It was really good to see because we haven’t had a WR that could motor like that AND catch the ball in a very long time.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Granted, Buck...
but the Jags basically ignored him on that play until the ball was in the air. Just about any NFL WR can get up to speed in that circumstance.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
I was worried it would be an INT
Most of the time a guy is that open, Matt underthrows. Helped having the wind at his back
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
it was actually a pretty poor throw...
it was not right in chambers hands…he had to really adjust his route. had we played a better team, it would have been picked or knocked down.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Really, Mike?
That’s not what I remember seeing. What I saw was that he might have adjusted his speed to meet the ball… but it appeared to me he ran straight down the field.
But hey… I didn’t know there would be a test later. :-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
watch it again...
im sure its on the highlights.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
not trying to argue...
just think chambers made a good play.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Oh... he did, Mike.
Don’t get me wrong. Any time the WR pulls in the ball and crosses the plane, it’s good. It just didn’t strike me as a play that only Chambers could have made. That’s all.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Thats good to hear
since the ball can’t get downfield until the line is fixed I guess you need big receivers that can catch. I’ll give my kingdom for an efficient offensive line and a defense that doesn’t give up big plays. They could have caved today but they showed a little heart.
Bowe had his A game today.
He caught a few passes that only the elite or lucky few can catch.
Chiefs got a D today. was looking like an F until the end.
My knock on Bowe is that you rarely see him open
I have to think he needs to work on his route running. It’s suicide for a QB to throw a lot to a guy who’s always covered.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
#1 guys are never open
They have to make plays covered
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
#1 guys tend to get double covered
but still get open on a few plays a game. Watch the highlights of guys like Rice, Harrison, Moss, etc. The problem is that for Bowe it’s extremely rare. He makes great catches, but it’s because he’s fighting off a guy who seems to be sharing his shirt.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
BTW
did anyone notice that it may be time to let bradley go? he looks BAD
Well, time to see what happens on Tuesday
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
aye, I just noticed bradley seems to be going 80 percent, dropping footballs....
with chambers/long legit…id think he gets cut…dunno
im guessing...
bradley is innactive next week and wade is active.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
ryan can catch...
he catches it every time 35% of the time its thrown at him. i still want the guy cut.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
He had a nice catch near the end.....
Had as good a game as Cassel did.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Watch Cassel compared to other QB's
He is not a consistent 3rd down QB passer. I think he is not comfortable back there & has problems reading the defense & makes our o-line look bad.
Watch Aaron Rodgers
He gets hit more than Cassel…Always looking down field
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Rodgers has a MUCH stronger receiving corp
Cassel last year looked downfield once he got into rhythm.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
He does
But Cassel didn’t get into rhythm until 2 and a half mins are left.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Doesn't help that
Cassel always has a 3rd and 10
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Unless he took a sack to make it 3rd and 18
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
exactly...
part of the problem is that he holds the ball too long taking the sack making it 3rd and long…that or we get a penalty.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
In the last five minutes of the game, the Chiefs got aggressive and it worked. Matt Cassel made two big passing plays late in the game on throws that were just heaves.
Same story for the last five years. And the question remains to be, “why can’t we play that well for 60 minutes?”
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
Regardless
Of Croyles “fragile” tag that everyone has given him,(because he plays behind a shit O line that couldnt protect him), he is still more accurate, has a stronger arm, and gets the ball out faster than Cassel. He needs a chance. If nothing else give it to him and say your just giving Cassel time to recoup from all the hits he takes. Keep him healthy for next yr. Whe you have wone one game, who cares about a QB conflict. See if the chemistry is better with Croyle…whats the worst that could happen…we lose a game?
whats the worst that could happen
Pioli looks like a fool for trading for, and paying Cassel. My guess is that if Cassel were to get hurt, Gut gets the nod
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Gotta agree with Bones there
That is a distinct possibility.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Just my gut feeling
I don’t buy the ego stuff whitlock is selling, but I am sure they do not want a QB controversy with a guy with $15 mill in guaranteed salary left on his contract.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Your "Gut" feeling?
Freudian slip there? :-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
lol
pun intended!
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
So your saying...
its more important for Pioli to not look stupid than to win games? I dont buy it. I honestly think that if the Chiefs staff thought that Croyle gave the Chiefs a better chance at winning than they would play him.
After week 1 I was absolutely killed for saying that we dont know that Cassel is better than Croyle, becuase we hadn’t seen how Cassel had done in our offense. The thing is though, we aren’t to the point in the season where you play Croyle to see how Croyle plays, because Im not sure we really know what we have with Cassel. So much of being a QB is just the timing you develop with your receivers. It looks to me like a lot of Cassel’s incompletes come from receivers turning the wrong way or the QB throwing to the wrong shoulder. That type of timing and “feel” is developed, its not innate.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Watch the Chargers game again
Cassel missed badly on several throws in that game. I am not saying bench him, I am saying Croyle will not play this season even if Cassel were to get hurt.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
hard to look stupid...
when ur winning games no matter who is playing QB or how u acquired them.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
just look at the cardinals last season...
was the wis looking stupid for starting warner?
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
How many wins does Croyle have as a starter again?
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
im tired of hearing that....
Cassel has one win with this team and it was against the friggin Redskins who also lost to Detroit
Cassel also lost the Raiders game for us
I think Croyle would have been notching his first win that week.
by mcclanahanman on Nov 8, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
But its equally ridiculous to say
that Croyle would have won a game had he played.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
After the way he played in week one
I doubt he would have thrown that game away to the raiders………like Cassel did.
by mcclanahanman on Nov 8, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
No way....
Croyle played well against the Ravens, Good completion percentage, 200+ yrds and a couple TDs…..it was well documented that Haley said Croyle was the best QB in camp. When you are rebuilding a team like this, you got to swallow your pride and cut your losses and go with the guy that gives you the best chance to win. You forget about the money side of it and make the right choice…IMO, Croyle is a better QB than Cassel…He is getting by on what he did LAST YR with one of the best o-lines in football.
And for everyone that says its all on croyle for being fragile....
lets not forget that since this O-line lost Shields,roaf and company, Green was hurt, Huard was hurt, Croyle a couple times, and Cassel has been hurt already and missed time..
LOL
only Thigpen didnt get hurt behind this line
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
and didnt he blow out a knee during his first season with us?
i dont remember how it happened but seem to remember him doing that.
by MountainManMike on Nov 8, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
The first time I became concerned about Cassel
was at the end of the SD game. It’s the first time I’ve seen him with that “deer in the headlights” look. The main thing I like about Cassel is that he seems to be pretty mentally tough. So I was interested to see how he snapped back today. He was erratic until he got pissed late in the 3rd Qtr. Then things started coming together.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Croyle get another chance to prove himself, but based on this game I want to see them stick with Cassel.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
I actually was thinking about Croyle too.
He is fearless, has a good arm ¬ the Matt Cassel type of QB (however fragile he may be). Cassel is finesse. Croyle is deliberate.
I am glad that Cassel had a good finish.
Brodie needs a chance...
but he won’t get it. I think we had 103 yds the first half. That’s an improvement. Cassel can move the ball in garbage time.
Are you saying....
Cassel is the equivalent of Calvin Johnson from 08?
Cassel can move the ball in garbage time
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Brodie had lots of opportunity the last two years
He got injured and didn’t finish. That’s the way the cookie crumbles. If Pioli doesn’t trade for Cassel and we go into this season with Thigpen and Croyle battling for the starting job I think everyone (except the Croyle and Thigpen lovers) would have been all over Pioli for it.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Not
if he used that second round pick for o line help
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
Yes, even then
You go into the season with your QBs being either a guy who’s yet to show he can play more than two games without getting injured or a guy who can’t seem to figure out a standard pro offense.
You don’t get to be a championship team unless you find your QB. I still think Cassel has the tools to be that guy. Pioli evidently believes that and grabbed him. I still think it was an outstanding move.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Brodie already had his chances
let him sit the bench until we actually need him to play…
by rdubz on Nov 8, 2009 4:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I saw a couple plays today that i think would have been converted had croyle been playing...
The pass to Long in the endzone…..Cassel hesitated or just saw him late, but Long was open waaay before Cassel threw the ball
Long pass play when bowe was open and he over threw him…again.
OK... let's say you're right
and Croyle might have made those plays. Considering the Chiefs are giving up sacks at a rate even greater than last season… would Croyle have even been in the eighth game?
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
The rate is higher because of the QB not the line
Cassel had more sacks than any other QB last year behind a good line
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
I'd say it's a combination of the two
There have been WAY too many plays where Dan Marino couldn’t have gotten the ball out fast enough. But Cassel does tend to hold the ball. I think part of that may be trying to make sure he doesn’t give it away.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Maybe. Maybe not.
I’m just saying that one thing Cassel has demonstrated clearly is his ability to absorb punishment. You can’t say that about Croyle
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
And you're correct about that...
… but he’s still gotten up and played after being hammered… what… six million times now? That’s more than you can say for Croyle.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
The worse that could happen is that you sit the QB who could become a top tier player
in favor a guy who can’t last at this level. Croyle got two seasons. It’d be nice to go ahead and give Cassel one full one.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Green had a bad injury history as well
Although I think Croyle’s history is a tad more suspect, much of it doesnt lend itself to poor offensive line play, even all the way back to college. If Croyle was playing better, but only a little better, I’d be inclined to say keep Cassel in, because of the injury liability.
But at this point, we’re so far from where we need to be at the QB position, I think the move to Croyle would be understandable. I dont see it happening though, not after Cassel padded his game with the late push.
he was injured. injured bad.
Green and Croyle's injury histories are miles apart
Like I said, Croyle got two seasons to prove himself. Cassel ought to at least get one. And I think we may finally be building something that resembles an NFL receiving corp. I’d like to see what he looks like after getting to work with Chambers and Long for a few more weeks.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
Actually they were pretty similar
and I believe they both were fragile in College, I could be wrong. But when Green was drafted by Washington he was suppose to be the second coming of Theisman… Things didn’t work out, then he was brought to StL and shredded his knee making way for Warner.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
C'mon - I've never heard of another QB with Croyle's injury history
Yes, Green was at Washington, but I don’t recall any injury history there. He got injured in St. Louis, but no one would have walked away from that shot from Harrison. It was worse than the shot Palmer took a couple of years ago. There concern about whether Green could come back from that injury, as there always is with a knee, but there was no concern about him being physically unable to play in the NFL. That concern remains about Croyle and will until he proves otherwise.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
This fanbase is HUNGRY for a win...
a spark,hope,consistancy…..I dont think its going to happen that Croyle gets the nod over Cassel anytime soon….its just my opinion that he would give us a better chance to win NOW…..and if he gets hurt, so be it, we would have Cassel in the wing ready to take over again…I think a few wins, and the feeling it brings to the players will help a young team mature and be a little more hungry.
they showed a replay there was a LB lurking in there.
Cassel through it once the pass would clear the LB.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Good GRIEF Croyle's hair looked SO retarded
But if he was wearing an earing Im disowning him as my longterm (since high school) mancrush. I doubt it though, that seems very much against his personality. He’d be more likely to spit some tobacky into a spittoon, trying to avoid his overalls after slinging a LJ-esque slur at someone wearing earings.
he was injured. injured bad.
We benched our starting running back so I don’t see the problem with benching our starting qb.
Hell let all the backup play.
the starting QB didn't do the stupid, inappropriate things that the ex-starting RB did
but, thanks for your input, LJ
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
We didn't bench our starting RB...
he was suspended for being a tool.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
if that was a suspendable offense
Jeff Garcia, Jeremy Shockey and Jared Allen wouldve been long gone from the NFL
he was injured. injured bad.
Jeff Garcia? What is that from?
TO implied Jeff was gay. I don’t recall hearing that Garcia ever said anything.
"A word to the wise isn't necessary, it is the stupid ones who need all the advice." ---Bill Cosby
and Jeremy Shockey wasn't even allowed
to watch the Giants win the Super Bowl from the sideline… They made him watch in the box.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel sucks
Mike brown sucks. Pollard was/is better. Brodie is better. I wish they would cut Brodie and give him a chance with another team like they did Pollard, Tank and Turk. Is Pope one of the right 53? Guess he’s not used to playing for teams with minus yards. Needs to learn to go for the second pole. He’s a Haley guy. One of the right 53 along with Cassel.
Again I was rooting for the Jags but their QB is almost as bad as Cassel. I was worried for a while but Cassel quickly put me at ease.
Sorry Joel, I didn’t see any earring, but yea, Brodie isn’t as pretty as Matt.
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