Chiefs QB Cassel Has Shot at a Big Day Against Sackless Jaguars
by Joel Thorman on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 AM CST
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(Editor's Note: I am just now realizing the irony in the title to this post)
If you were ever wondering what a game between the 2009 Chiefs and the 2008 Chiefs would be like this is probably the closest we're going to get. The Chiefs historically low 10 total sacks last season was a large part of the reason it seemed every quarterback that came into town walked away with a career day.
Today, Matt Cassel could be that quarterback. The Jaguars currently have a NFL low 5 sacks through 7 games.
They are on pace to barely surpass the 2008 Chiefs. Here are a few of the bigger days opposing quarterbacks have had in 7 games.
- Peyton Manning - 28/38, 301 yards, 1 TD
- Kurt Warner: 24/26, 243 yards, 2 TDs
- Matt Schaub: 26/35, 300 yards, 3 TDs
- Matt Hasselbeck: 18/30, 241 yards, 4 TDs
- Vince Young: 15/18, 125 yards, 1 TD
I'm not saying Matt Cassel is Peyton Manning, Matt Schaub (yet) or Kurt Warner. He's not at that level. But I do believe the Hasselbeck(4 TDs) and Vince Young (15/18) numbers are worth mentioning.
If Matt Cassel has the time today, we can begin to get a good read on what he'll be like when/if there is a more talented offensive line.
If he has more time today, does Matt Cassel put up bigger numbers?
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If he has time he should...
put up over 200 yards and 2 TD’s. We hope!
Chiefs Top Five Solo Tackle Leaders:
Demorrio Williams -37 Tackles
Mike Brown -33 Tackles
Mike Vrable -25 Tackles
Corey Mays -24 Tackles
Brandon Flowers -19 Tackles
by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 8, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
is
200 yards and 2 tds a good game?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is good
production for $60 mill?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eh...
don’t make this about money, we are just looking for a decent game for starters.. something to expand on…
At least we don’t have Albert Haynesworth…
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I only bring up the money because
We are stuck with him and if he aint right, we aint right
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
200 yards and 2 TDs, depending on his completion %, is good
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 TDs?
Yeah….I think so. Works out to 3200 yards, 32 TDs.
His contract is a non-issue. He’s like the 13th highest paid NFL QB.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a terrible passing D
A good qb torches a bad D like this. A mediocre QB has an OK time against this D (see VY) although I am more concerned with completion % Cassel is at what 51% right now? He needs to get that to around 65% at least in this game. I am more concerned with how he plays than what his stat sheet is. I just think 200 yards is a low total to shoot for. Croyle went for 66%, 177 and TDs against a far better Ravens D
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats rediculous
The Chiefs are a bad team. Bad all around. Last in nearly every category. Are there some talented players on this team? Yes. But until there are more of them they are a bad team and will not “torch” anyone, no matter how good any one player is. You could throw any QB in the league on the Chiefs and they still wouldn’t be a good team.
A team is built of many many pieces and right now there are far to many pieces missing.
I hope cassel has more than 200 yards and 2 tds but on a team this bad offensively, heres to hoping.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a touch above 60%, actually
And don’t forget that Haley has to call the plays.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close
He is 54.8% and seems to get lower each and every week. What does calling the plays have to do with anything?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has ALOT to do with it actually
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you haven't noticed...
Haley has been a big fan of running the ball.. a lot. You should also consider all the swing passes, WR screens, and draw plays run on 3rd and long.
The playcalling has kept Cassel on a fairly short leash.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And my god, rushing the ball is NOT haleys strong point on the paycalling spectrum
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
playcaling*
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya..
We saw how bad Zona’s run game was. Virtually Nonexistent, except for short yardage when it was necessary to move the chains, which we hardly ever see.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad on the %
Those were career numbers I was looking at.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His contract is a non-issue. He’s like the 13th highest paid NFL QB.
Considering he is playing for the same salary as the tag was and that was an average of the top 5 guys before the season, I will need to see some evidence to believe that.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not playing for the same salary as the tag..
The tag was 14-point something million this year (and the normal % increase for the next year that would have taken im to 16 million)
He signed for 6 years $60 million.
$15 milliion per year (the approx. average of this tag and next years tag) X 6 years = $90 million.
He didnt sign a contract that pays him the “Tag Level” salary over the term of the contract.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't believe I said
the term of the contract. I am talking about what he is getting paid in base salary right now. It comes up to over $900,000 each and every shitty game he plays.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you DID say that.
You quoted Joel saying :
His contract is a non-issue. He’s like the 13th highest paid NFL QB
And then you said :
Considering he is playing for the same salary as the tag was and that was an average of the top 5 guys before the season, I will need to see some evidence to believe that
Joel said his CONTRACT was a non issue, and you argued that you’d need to see evidence to believe what Joel said.
.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 8, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hello!
He is playing for the Cap number this season…..HIS SALARY?? That is what his salary really is. He makes right around $900,000.00 each and every game.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The salary for a franchise QB is like 14 or 15 million
Matt Cassel’s base salary is $5 million this season.
Sure there are other bonuses available (which he’ll most likely hit). And I always judge a contract in it’s entirety, not the numbers for just one year.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 8, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be what you ment...
But it’s not what you said.
He would have been paid the cap number this year no matter what.
Even as a back up in NE, where he was franchissed.
1 year salary numbers mean nothing in terms of contracts
You have to look beyond that if you want to compare players.
Julius Peppers is getting paid 16 million this year. (one year)
Albert Haneysworth is NOT getting $100 dollars, even though his contract says he is. The $100 million inst guarenteed.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 8, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On a completely unrelated note:
the term Salary comes from the roamn word Solari, meaning salt.
Because of the value of spices at the time Salt was as good as gold for use in purchasing/trading paying debts etc..
Roman soldiers were not paid in bags of gold, tey were paid in bags of salt (solari)
Over time the term we use today (salary) developed.
Further, because things were purchased with solari (salt); Slaves were also purchased with solari (salt).
Which is how we got the phrase: “Not worth his salt”
If a slave did not produce as well as the purchaser liked he/she was said to not be worth the salt that was paid for them.
What??? I SAID it was completely unrelated =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 8, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
10 million/year?
Contracts that are at $10+ million per year
P. Manning, E. Manning Brady, Roethlisberger, Garrard, Romo, Palmer, Sanchez, Rivers, Russell, McNabb, Favre, Stafford, Brees, Ryan, Warner, Bulger.
That’s more than half the league that has at least a $10 million/year average on their contract.
A lot of those guys have 6 years, $60-65 million contracts…that’s the number you pay for a player that has put up at least one good season in the NFL. Cassel’s contract is not out of whack.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and that was BEFORE.....
Eli and Phillips signed their new contracts to vault them to the head of the pack.
So if the tag was average of the top 5, and he isnt being paid enough to be in that category AND at least 2 players have incresed that average since Cassel signed; I have no trouble believeing the’s somewhere around the 13th highest paid — That sounds about right
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 8, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you name 13?
Matt makes more than Brady so…
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(rolls eyes)
I’m done with this conversation.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could if I needed to see proof with my own eyes
I’d look up the salaries and show em to you.
Howerver, it’s not me that arguing a point and not providing any evidence of my own to back up that point. All you’ve done is make a statement saying “I don’t beleive that” and expecting everyone elsde to prove you wrong.
Matt Casselwas franchised tagged by the Pat’s. That virtually guarenteed that he would either stay with the pats for the 14.5 OR sign a contract somewhere else worth at LEAST 2 years at the value of the tag. If his agent let him go somewhere else for LESS than the value of the tag then he’d be a complete idiot.
When you look at NFL contracts you have to look past the flashy numbers.
Only 2 things actually matter:
1) Average salary per year over the term of the contract
2) The Guarenteed portion of the money.
Matt’s deal was for approx 60 million over 6 years ($10 a year)
And guarenteed salary of approx $30 million
That’s nowhere near the top paid QB in the league.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 8, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that
If Cassel goes 18-26 for 208 yards 2 tds 0 INTs it will be a solid game, however that shouldn’t be the best we should be hoping for.
I personally will be ecstatic, if Matt does that. I just think it is a sad day when the best we can hope for is a mediocre day from our franchise QB…
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are a little confused...
We hope for that ON THIS CHIEFS TEAM. If he was on the Patriots still we would be hoping for 300 yards and 4 touchdowns. That is not really feasible with this football team. Cassel doesn’t make this team by himself. Is he good? Is he bad? Impossible to really tell because the team is bad and unfortunately most of the time players fall to the least common denominators just because 1 chink in the armor exploits the entire team.
Next year, hopefully the team will be improved. Hopefully we have a better offensive line and better receivers. Then 200 yards might disappoint against the Jags.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
The one excuse has been the line… If Cassel is protected, why shouldn’t he be closer to 300, with 3 TDs?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BECAUSE OUR WR'S SUCK DICK, DUDE
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see WRs getting open
And not being found by the QB or being under thrown or over thrown. Yeah, we don’t have Moss and Welker but neither does any QB other than Brady. Our WRs are better than those in Dallas, NYG, and SD and those QBs are not struggling (Other than Eli after he got hurt against us).
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rewatch the SD game
And you will see WRs open all over the place. He missed at least 2 TDs because of terrible passes
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You arent seeing those drops dude?
I know Matt Cassel is one of the worst qb in the league statistically right now, but all of his problems can be linked directly or indirectly to other problemss with our team, such as the completion ratio being lowered because of some shoddy wr hands, to his not being ready to lead a team by himself due to some horrible decisions by Todd Haley wanting to do everything on the offensive side of the ball himself.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides his tendency to take sacks probem
That is pretty much on him. He needs to learn to throw it away.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But am more concerned with the QB play than WR play. We are stuck with this QB, any of the WRs including Bowe, Pioli would part with.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We arent reay STUCK with him
But yes, he is going to get a much larger window for his mistakes because it is the move that will define Piolis career in KC
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
raaaaaaargh the L key is pissing me off
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read what I wrote at the bottom
Something you might agree with
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel will be our QB
for the next 3 years no matter how he plays
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he goes all Jamarcus Russell on us, then yes.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if he plays like shit and continues to get the starting nod, i will be VERY PISSED OFF
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You and me both...
No one else will……
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, im pretty sure if he has a good supporting cast, and still plays like shit, we will all be pissed off
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Been a sad few years, nevermind a sad day
The most I can hope for is that our OLine doesn’t give more sacks today than the Jags have gotten all season. The most I can hope for is that we sustain drives and don’t turn the ball over. If that means 18-26 dinkin and dunkin for 200 yards and 2 TDs? I’ll take it.
That’s progress for me.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for the chiefs i say yes...
thats 14 pts.. with 1 rushing td thats 21 pts which should be enough to compete in this game
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A win is a win
But if Cassel has time, and the best we can hope for is 200 yards and 2 TDs I am scared shitless about the future of this team. This is supposed to be the QBOTF and the excuse everyone has used for him is that he doesn’t have time.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he is capable of more
but 200 yrds 2 tds isnt a bad game if you dont throw picks
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you are looking for a cassel bashing session...
you wont get it from me.. im just glad we have a committed starter to build on. Leaps and bounds better than the QB controversy we have had the past few years. At some point you just have to pick on and show confidence and stick with him. Even an average QB can win (Orton), you just need the right tools around you and he needs to work with your system.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree with you Lucas
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 8, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's capable of more I think...
but again…even with some time today it will only be a first glimpse. until we have a complete team here in KC, we won’t know what he can or can’t do really
by krayfish on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, crawl back under your rock
For a QB to put up huge numbers he needs a complete team around him. A great OL that protects him, gives the receivers time to develop a route, opens holes or lanes for running backs, good running backs that can get tough yardage and can catch passes, receivers that can exploit the coverage.
I, for one, think Cassel will be a good to great QB given those tools above. He’s doing a pretty decent job right now considering the team he’s got.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Nov 8, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What to look for today is to see if he's hearing footsteps after being shellshocked all year
David Carr is a perfect example of a QB who was hit so many times he never got comfortable in the pocket. It arguably ruined his career.
If Cassel is skittish out there, we have a reason to worry.
10/19/09: The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
10/26/09: Okay, so it'll be 10-6, I can live with that...
by mushin on Nov 8, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Love your signature. haha!
Chiefs Top Five Solo Tackle Leaders:
Demorrio Williams -37 Tackles
Mike Brown -33 Tackles
Mike Vrable -25 Tackles
Corey Mays -24 Tackles
Brandon Flowers -19 Tackles
by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope springs eternal
10/19/09: The Chiefs are on their way to an 11-5 season...I think....
10/26/09: Okay, so it'll be 10-6, I can live with that...
by mushin on Nov 8, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am starting to get worried about Cassel.
Even when he does have time he still looks worried about getting hit. I do think getting hit on almost every play is starting to get to him.
Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.
by bringbacktheglory on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yah I agree mushin...that's what I thought too...I hope he isn't ruined..
but he did put up with sacks in NE too.
by krayfish on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
And it all started in the Philly game when our OLine didn’t know WHO to block so they blocked no one.
I’m glad Haley kept running the ball when he realized the game was out of reach. Its no different than coaches pulling their starters because they’ve gained a huge lead, like the 59-0 blowout of the Titans in Foxborough.
I’d rather keep our QB alive then to risk injury to our franchise QB.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
am i the only one who started choking when he read “Sackless Jaguars”???
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Nov 8, 2009 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
no you are not alone...
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You said sackless.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Beavis was born in Idaho right?
by krayfish on Nov 8, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas-but I'm sure he's got family here!
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 8, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Joel qualified that answer by saying "for Cassel"?
We don’t really honestly KNOW enough about Cassel to judge him too strong either way. He’s been pretty sub-par all year, but I’m sure that has a lot to do with everything going on.
I’m not excusing him, Aaron Rodgers is living proof it can be done. There’s always some weak ass excuse why when another QB with a crap line succeeds and Matt doesn’t so expect the apologists to rain on that comparison.
But for sure, if we can give him time, it will be the FIRST time we’ve had the chance to see what he could be like with a better line. Your right bones…we paid him …we’re stuck with him either way…so I’d love to see what he’s got with time and see if Chambers can even help us or not.
Either way, it should be a good game.
by krayfish on Nov 8, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He has been sub par but...
I feel a lot better with him in there than Croyle. Croyle was ok but he was obviously protected the entire game (meaning low amount of pass attempts, only 1 pass attempt over 20 yrds).
Just from watching Cassel last year I think he has the tools to run an offense even if his arm isn’t the strongest in the league. I know, its the Patriots blah blah. Either way he still looked very competent. Maybe not the best, but the best on the Chiefs roster. Brodie won’t be able to replicate the results he got once over time if he even lasts a couple games. Cassel at least can scramble.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Croyle was ok but he was obviously protected the entire game (meaning low amount of pass attempts, only 1 pass attempt over 20 yrds).
Than why is Croyle’s yards per pass almost 2 yard better?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's why
meaning low amount of pass attempts,
Croyle’s numbers are completely worthless for evaluating him in 2009.
You cannot compare 2 QB’s numbers when one of them only played in ONE game, and had relatively FEW passes in that game. You aren’t comparing apples to apples.
Go pull up Croyles ENTIRE career passing stats.
Then pull Cassels stats for the same number of attempts.
Otherwise, the numbers are meaningless.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 8, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been comparing the statistics...
because one game has very skewed statistics. Cassel played more games against a pretty tough schedule. Croyle played 1 decent game, played very conservative, and because of that had a LOT of three and outs especially in the first half. We were in that game because of our defense and their lucky tds, lets be real here. Cassel isn’t doing it much better necessarily, but he doesn’t dump it off on 3rd and 12 every time either because he doesn’t want to throw a pick.
If Croyle were in a game where he had to take chances only then would we really be able to compare these two. To me it doesn’t matter. They both are about equally talented, but Cassel has better running legs and reportedly better QB IQ. Either way, until the entire team improves it will be difficult for a QB to win us games on his own. A QB needs good tools around him to take the game into his hands and win it for us in the 4th quarter.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
For Cassel explains it all. He didn’t say for a QB on this offense, he said for Cassel. Matt makes me nervous because I want so much more for this team than mediocre QB play can bring. We had this type of QB before, remember Steve Bono? Sure he pulled out the one 80 yard run or whatever but when the playoffs came calling…..
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Making this game all about Cassel is a little premature
Sure, I hope he has a good game, and I think he will have one.
Thing is, he’s up against serious challenges on the homefront. Haley’s (IMO) taken on too much, and in trying to do both HC and OC, it’s diminished his ability to do either well. New system, which takes most QBs time to settle into. Not just a poor OL, but one made worse by the ‘musical chairs’ approach that’s been taken with it, and lastly, a defense that is poor enough to keep him worrying about making mistakes. Worry is a cancer for QBs, when they should be confident, instead.
(Personal note, to those who recall my recent challenges: Things got worse. My Mother-ibn-Law died a couple weeks ago. She was a sweet lady, and had plenty of love for the man who married her daughter. So, things have been turbulent here. Hope to get back into the groove again.)
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Linebackers: looking better
D-lineL slight improvement
O-line: WTF?!?
by Bleedingredandgold on Nov 8, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to hear about your mother in law
Best wishes for your family.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the kind thoughts
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Linebackers: looking better
D-lineL slight improvement
O-line: WTF?!?
by Bleedingredandgold on Nov 8, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will Bleeding
I too lost a wonderful mother-in-law about a year ago…the calm will return
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 8, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For those that think I am just bashing Cassel....
I watch every game over again on Shortcuts so that I can see what happened without emotion. While cheering it is hard to watch detached and here is what I see from Cassel.
1. An indecisive QB, he takes too many sacks
2. A bad decision maker on the field
3. Poor management of the clock, he wastes timeout or gets a delay of game instead of getting the play off
4. Inaccurate passer of balls deeper than 10 yards.
Thing is that all of these things are correctable. I think the biggest problem is the QB is the OC and HC and doesn’t have time to correct these things. Haley should have never left the QB coaching duties with Chan. Had he had a QB coach he trusted, I think Cassel would be further developed at this point.
Bottom line is that we need better QB play. I am worried this guy isn’t the right guy and we will be saddled with him because of his contract and the fact that getting him was Pioli’s first real personnel move. I hope he ends up becoming a really good QB but I see more Steve Bono than I do Trent Green as his ceiling.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Won't get better QB play
Until he gets better protection, period. A lot of highly projected QBs have failed for this very same reason.
He hasn’t had ANY time to get into any sort of groove, and hasn’t had ANY reason to feel comfortable in the pocket, should one form. The expectations you’re placing on this guy are absurd because the other pieces aren’t in place for him to succeed.
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees… They’d all be shit behind our OLine and in our current system. Go back and count he many times he’s gotten
sacked, hit, or hurriedthis season. I bet the numbers are off the charts.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, that should have been bolded, not block-quoted.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
None of the things I mentioned are because of the line. He takes more sacks than he should because he is indecisive. I don’t think he has been hit as much as Rodgers is and yet, Aaron is having a pretty good season.
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's the problem with your argument
You’re leaving out the largest factor of his poor play — hell, of our entire offense’s poor play.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the problem?
That a different QB is not making the same mistakes under more pressure?
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 8, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that Cassel is not comfortable in the pocket
And he has no reason to be. That has led to a multitude of issues that you list above. The fact that you are willing to completely push aside the play of the OLine contributing to his mistakes is absurd.
Its gotten to a point where he expects there to be pressure because there is no trust there, and it is affecting his play, his reads, everything. How can you discount that?
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the fact that earlier...
You completely discount the play calling. Also, getting rid of the the entire playbook right before the start of the season, new terminology, not being on the same page with the receivers… There are a host of factors, man. It doesn’t all fall on Cassel, as you’ve been arguing.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 8, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
if those on the Jags side see us as an opportunity to increase their sack total
our line better show some moxie today so we all can see what we have in Cassel and Co.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 8, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cassel isnt the issue here dude...
I like him a lot. Good arm, good accuracy… Game management and execution are suspect but, are those his problems or the play callers? I think the latter, and throw in a Swiss cheese OL. It’s really frustrating to watch this shit every Sunday as a fan. This is a game that we can win which will be even more agonizing if we fumble this one.
Sackoff (McIntosh,Goff) like Brangelina.
by DaChefs on Nov 8, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sending this headline to Jay Leno
Classic…
by Nick Britt on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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