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The Kool Aid Drinker’s Manifesto on the Kansas City Chiefs

From the FanPosts.  -Joel52912_cowboys_chiefs_football_medium 

I stumbled across AP just about one year ago.  I was a big fan right away.  Originally I was way too intimidated to even create a user account because I had never "blogged" before and didn’t think I was worthy of putting anything out there on such an impressive site.  I witnessed and was part of the huge "boom" that happened here when the new regime came in.  I was so impressed with the passion and excitement that us Chiefs fans had for a team coming off a 2-14 season.  I expected things to come to a stand still between the hirings and the draft, but the enthusiasm just kept coming.  I again expected a let down between the draft and training camp, but once again AP just kept bringing it.  I wrote about this awesome dedication in a previous post (The Love).

We are now 7 games into the new regime and for the first time I’m starting to see a chink in the enthusiasm armor.  Posters are bashing Pioli left and right.  The main complaints are that he didn’t do enough to help the team this season and he can’t do anything on his own without one of the "Bills" helping him.  There is even more negativity surrounding our coach Todd Haley.  I’m not going to take the time to list all the current complaints.  Let’s just say people have serious problems with his leadership style, roster management, and in game coaching.

This post is in no way intended to bash anyone for stating their opinion.  My opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s.  The debates that go on here are what I love the most about AP.  However, I do feel like the negativity is growing.  I also believe that there are a lot of people, like myself, that are still optimistic about our team going forward.  I feel there are several well thought out, logical reasons to keep the faith in Pioli and Haley.  Around here it has become common to refer to anyone with these beliefs as" Kool Aid Drinkers".  This implies that we are not forming our own logical assessment of things.  We are just lapping up whatever Arrowhead gives us and taking it as law.  At first I was offended by this.  I have now decided that I am not going to fight it, but embrace it.

If looking at the state of the Chiefs and still seeing hope for the future makes me a Kool Aid Drinker, then fine, I’ll own it.  I’m a Kool Aid Drinker.  I’ll warn you that the body of this post is even longer then the intro.  It includes several points that I have made before in discussions around here.  I have combined them here with the purpose of making my case for why you too should be a Kool Aid Drinker.

Star-divide

Part I – A Kool Aid Drinker’s Stance on Scott Pioli

When Scott Pioli was first hired I was excited by his reputation as one of the top GM candidates on the market.  However, I was even more excited by what Pioli said about his plans and vision for our team.  I was not the only one.  AP was filled with people singing his praises.  There were some that took a "I’ll wait and see" attitude, but I don’t remember anyone saying that they did not like what they were hearing at the time.  So let’s take a look at some of him comments and see where we stand now.

In an interview with Sirius NFL Radio back in August, Pioli was asked about his new job responsibilities: 

"You prepare for the job and part of what you do in the preparation for a general manager job is you look at the roster, the coaching staff, and all of the football aspects.  Deep down inside you know there are things that affect the football operation but you can’t see or touch until you’re immersed in the situation.  No matter how prepared you are for any job in life, I’m convinced you can be as prepared as you want to be and there are things that are unknown that you have to deal with that impact the job.  And that’s the case here.  It’s not just rebuilding the roster.  It’s changing the culture of a lot of things of the football operation itself and things that affect the football operation."

The Kool Aid Drinker’s response:  This doesn’t sound like a guy that is in over his head.  This sounds like a guy that understands how big of job this turnaround really is.  It definitely doesn’t sound like something that one would think would be completely finished by the seventh game of his first year.

 

Around the same time Pioli did an interview with 610 Radio and gave this quote about what they are looking for in players. 

"One of the biggest things we’ve gotta find from an evaluation standpoint, can these players do what they’ve been taught to do?  And we want to find out who’s willing to do what they’re being told to do and also just execute and be smart football players………….If someone doesn’t know what they’re doing they won’t be given an opportunity and they can’t complain about not getting an opportunity."

The Kool Aid Drinker’s response:  This same discussion will carry over into the Haley portion of this post, but in general I would just say that I am 100% behind this approach.  If a team has to be on the same page to be great, the coach and GM have to be the one that decides what page that is.  If you leave it up to the players, most of them will pick the "page" which suites them best as opposed to the team as a whole.  Once the coach and GM say this is how it needs to be it is the players’ job to do it.  It’s their job.  I may not agree with everything my boss asks me to do, but I am only looking at it from my perspective.  He is looking at it from the big picture.

 

Prior to the game against the Giants Pioli gave an interview with WFAN out of New York that had a very good quote (via kcchiefsblog) about this season and the type of players he is looking for: 

"The intent was not to go through pain this year.  We are three games in and we’re 0-3.  You have to find good players and those good players have to be the type of guy that can respond to the coaching of the leader and Todd is our leader here.  Unfortunately when there is a dramatic shift in the culture, like is happening here, it’s going to be a little more painful than some places.  It’s not a fun part, but it’s the NFL and even though we are going through a change here, we still expect to win every single Sunday.  There are no excuses in this game.  These guys are professionals, I’m a professional, the coaches are professionals, the players are professionals.  We need to find a way to compete.  Are we where we need to be in terms of having the right fit for the head coach?  No, we’re not.  We all expect to win games along the way.  I just don’t believe in writing things off and saying we don’t have the right guys, that’s a loser’s attitude and we’re just not going to have that.

One of the things I’ve learned along the way is that just because a player can’t fit here or can’t fit the program you’re in doesn’t mean they are a bad player or a bad person.  It doesn’t mean any of that.  It just sometimes means it’s not the right fit.  There are going to be players that leave here and have left other programs where there has been significant change, they go to another situation and they are successful.  I’m a firm believer in fit.

Everyone talks about Parcells guys.  Who were the Parcells guys?  The Parcells guys were the ones that fit who he was and could fit into his style of coaching.  Same thing with Belichick.  Part of Bill’s brilliance is having guys that can be motivated by the way that he led.  To me it’s an important part of the team building and winning.  Anyone can go out and find good players.  You have to go out and find good players that can respond to the leadership.  I might be the general manager here, but as soon as I hired the head coach my job is to serve the head coach and bring him the players he can be successful with.  That’s the job, finding the right guys with the right fit."

Kool Aid Drinker’s response:  Pioli and Haley are clearly working as a team.  Everyone that has said Pioli should fire Haley doesn’t get how these guys are going about building this team.  Pioli hired the kind of coach he wanted and is now building this team for that coach.  Firing Haley would literally be starting all over because Pioli believes in finding players that fit the coach.  It is the Kool Aid Drinker’s belief that Pioli has been targeting so many NE and Miami players not because he is some "lost little puppy" that follows the "Bills" around looking for table scraps, but because those are the two other teams that are built in the image that he is modeling the Chiefs.  The players that were with Miami and NE were scouted and brought in because they seemed like good fits for their type of team and we are now building the same type of team here in KC.

 

The last link for Pioli is one that I hope everyone that reads this post will check out.  It is an interview with KCTV5.  For anyone who has said that Pioli mislead Chiefs fans with what they were trying to do this year, you need to check out this link.  He talks about wanting to win but how they need to go about building a long term consistent winner.  The entire interview is good but please take one minute to go to that link and listener to what he says at the 6 minute mark.

Kool Aid Drinker's Preemptive Strike:  We Kool Aid Drinkers know what some people will say after watching the clip above:  "If he is building for the future why is he bringing in all these over the hill players?"  I debunked this myth in a previous post, but for those that missed it here's the numbers to prove this statement false.

There are 26 players on the active roster that were signed or drafted by Pioli.  Of those 26, only 5 are over 30 (Brown, Chambers, Goff, K. Smith, and Vrabel).  The average age of the players brought in by Pioli is about 26.4.

If you take out the draft picks and only look at FAs the average age becomes 27.2.

If you include the eight players on the practice squad (all brought in by Pioli) the average age becomes 25.7.

Kool Aid Drinker's Final Thoughts on Scott Pioli:  Scott Pioli is widely respected around the NFL.  He was a part of building the biggest dynasty in the modern NFL.  He told us how he was going to go about building this team and he is following through on that plan.  Not every move he has made has panned out, but even the best GMs miss on a lot of players.  Plus, part of the reason you can make such a long list of guys that Pioli has brought in that haven't panned out is because he is always churning those bottom roster spots in hopes of finding players that can help our team.  This has brought us some solid young players that could be a part of this team for several years to come (O'Callaghan, Long, Belcher, Mays, etc.).  I have no problem with people debating or questioning individual roster moves, but if you were on board with his plan in the beginning I just don't think you should abandon ship yet.  Simply put, the Pioli Kool Aid has passed our taste test.

 

Part 2 - A Kool Aid Drinker's Stance on Todd Haley

Nothing divides us AP brethren quite like our head coach.  Some (like myself) really love this guy.  Others are ready to drag the guy into a back alley and beat him with a golf club (get the iron-y, sorry :P).  Unlike Pioli, Haley did not have blanket approval when he was hired.  Some have questioned his experience and temperamentfrom day one.  Again, there are no right and wrong opinions about Haley.  People on both sides have some valid points.  The people I am really talking to in the next few sections are those who liked the Haley hiring in the beginning and have now "jumped ship".  The official Kool Aid Drinker's stance on Todd Haley is that it is too early to call him a success or failure.  I do think Haley has been consistent in his message (which ironically is usually about being consistent) and like Pioli, has followed through with his plan for the team.

In his press conference on September 10thhe had this quote about expecting consistency and how it affects playing time:

"You stay consistent in your approach of what you want. That’s what I’ve learned as a coach. You don’t go up and down. You be consistent in what you ask the players for and then you play with those players that are doing it the way you are asking them to do it and doing it well enough."

Kool Aid Drinker's Response:  Like I said in the Pioli section, the team has to be on the same page.  That means the same page in effort given (100%), same page scheme wise, and the same page in putting the team above the individual.  I like all these things.  The problem comes when one of our favorite players fails in one of these areas and is benched, cut, traded, etc.  Nobody is happy when this happens.  Haley is simply sticking to his plan.  Pioliand Haley are both set on building a team of players that will do things the way they want.  The critics claim that this makes them "ego maniacs".  I have some questions for those critics.  Do you think the team should be on the same page?  If so, aren't the coach and GM the only ones that can set those guidelines?  If you have those guidelines shouldn't the players be held responsible for following them?  I also think it is ridiculous to say we don't know why Haley hasn't been playing DJ.  I don't need someone to punch in the numbers on a calculator to tell me that 2 plus 2 equals four.  (If you want to hear an even better analogy on this that involves a cookie jar and an 80 lb. basset hound check out my comment at the bottom of this post by Red Shadow.)

 

Here is a great quote from Haley's August 11th press conference where he describes how he pushes players to get better:

"I am always pushing and prying, trying to instigate a little bit and get some emotion out of guys and get some passion out of guys. That is the way I have done it. There are a lot of different ways but that is what I have done more than anything, just try and press them every day and not give them a whole lot of time to breath. Usually in the end you have a decent group that plays, works hard and is mentally tough."

Kool Aid Drinker's Response:  This is where I flat out disagree with those that say Haley's in your face style isn't right for this team.  We have become a team that is used to losing.  We are sloppy and have showed no heart at times and that is really hard to take as a die hard fan.  I think it is going to take somebody getting in these guys' faces to snap them out of this losing cycle.  Has it happened yet?  No, but I still believe that it will.  This is why it is important for Piolito fill this roster with guys that "work hard and are mentally tough".  It's amazing how players like Warner and Fitzgerald loved Haley and credited him with making them better.  I said this just the other day, but I believe it 100%.  If you don't want your coach yelling at you then don't be lazy, don't take plays off, don't get stupid penalties, don't miss blocks, don't drop passes, don't miss tackles, don't blow your coverage assignment, don't get drunk and get in a pissing contest with fans on Twitter.

Kool Aid Drinker's Acknowledgement:  Even us KoolAid Drinkers can admit that Haley has made some mistakes this year.  Saying that you will play the players that do things the right way and do it "well enough" while starting Mike Goff sets you up for ridicule.  Running draw plays with Larry Johnson time and time again when they never work looks really foolish.  Not realizing that he and Chan weren't compatible before training camp was a huge set back.  Not realizing that "the sign" would work the media into a frenzy (regardless on where it came from and when you decided to hang it) was ignorant.  I am sure that there are more that some of you will be happy to list, but I still say that that none of those are big picture problems that can't be fixed.  If you look at the four super bowl winning head coaches from the last 20 years that most resemble Haley's coaching style (Parcells, Johnson, Belichick, and Coughlin) they had a combined record of 15-48-1 in their first years with the team that they took to multiple Super Bowls.  That's a winning percentage of about 23%.  If Todd Haley can win three games the rest of the way and finish at 4-12 he would have a winning percentage of 25% in his first year.  One season is simply not enough time for a coach to get his style, attitude, and system up and running 100%.  If we go 4-12 next year, then talk to me about firing him.

 

Kool Aid Drinker's Final Thoughts (FINALLY!!!!):  Every one of us on this site loves the Chiefs.  I take losses as hard as anyone, but it is important to keep a level head.  We have to be able to look beyond a few horrible games and look at the big picture.  As bad as the start of this season has been, I haven't seen anything that proves to me that the plans that Pioli and Haley laid out when they took over can't work.  They aren't working yet, that is true.  I just think that those that are screaming for their heads on a platter are drinking too much "Hate-er-Aid" (How do you guys like it?).  So to all those that like me, can still see a light at the end of the tunnel, the next time someone says you are "drinking the kool-aid" instead of getting mad about it just quote the OG of Kool Aid Drinkers and say "OH YEAH!!"

 

PORKCHOP OUT

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Good Lord, Porkchop....

Very very nice. Rec’d

Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...

by woodman212 on Nov 8, 2009 12:38 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Can you believe

my wife has actually accussed me of being long winded? Where would she come up with something like that?

She also says I spend to much time on this site.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Nov 8, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

My wife says

AP again!
Rec Porkchop, That was an Excellent read and my feelings too.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 9, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

My response.......

omg are you frickin kiddin me.
Kool aid , response ………………… Great job!

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 8, 2009 12:43 AM CST reply actions  

Wow

thats allot to read…

...no more explicit signature...

by GanjaChief on Nov 8, 2009 12:49 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent Post...+1

I just wish I could’ve sat through and read it in its entirety…I know its great

by butchcassidy on Nov 8, 2009 12:53 AM CST reply actions  

The bottom line is patience

Let’s hope they figured out the problem with the “minus plays,” and show us something in Jacksonville. Once we start getting consistent execution with an ATTITUDE, people will start feeling a whole lot better. I’m a very pessimistic person by nature, but even I know the difference between optimism and “kool-aid drinking.” Once again, it is more about patience at this point than anything else anyway.

Hoping for a glimmer of improvement is already a fairly pessimistic attitude to take for the season, but I am optimistic this debacle will be turned around one way or another. I’d be drinking the Kool-Aid if I said everything we’ve done makes perfect sense and is obviously working; instead, I simply have faith things will get better. As difficult as the Chargers game was, half a season simply isn’t enough time to judge one way or the other. >sigh<

So you may as well drink the kool-aid! 8D

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Nov 8, 2009 2:22 AM CST reply actions  

I love the kool-aid

That was an incredible post love your enthusiasm and think everyone has gotten a bit negative lately. We have to give people a chance to do their job and seven games is a little early to start judging if they are getting it. They cannot possibly have all the coaches and players they wanted in the first year and I agree if they go 4-12 next year then let’s talk about firing people. Right now all we can do is trust in the plan and drink up. Cheers everyone

by rockymtnchief on Nov 8, 2009 3:45 AM CST reply actions  

Love it!

I have one additional thought for you. Everyone here had a pre-season idea of what the season record would be. I thought we would go 7-9. It seems very unlikely now but not really impossible. Of the first 7 games I thought they would be 2-5 after the tough opening against NFC East teams. Ok, they lost to Oakland, even though they dominated the faiders most of the game. They are still only one win behind where I thought they would be.

Will they finish 7-9? Probably not, and I doubt 6-10 too. But I think I will have some more kool-aid and sit back and watch. We are through the worst of the schedule, lets see how it plays out. Put your torches away for another few months.

by Ribs59 on Nov 8, 2009 5:02 AM CST reply actions  

Haha...

His comments just reminded me of her. Talking a good game and saying all the right things…then quitting before it ever even got started. Just like some of the guys on this site.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 8, 2009 6:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel you're pain man....

Except the girl was already my wife….. blah…. ex wives… I can remember pre-deployment how many women we’d see in the officer’s club with their husbands and rings on their fingers…. We could always tell when a unit was deployed because the next week the same women would be there alone with no rings….

by callmesir on Nov 8, 2009 6:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Ouch

I really have no right to complain, and it didn’t hurt me in any way…just reminded me of it.

Gotta love army wives.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 8, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Now I get it...

I’m a musician and I performed at an Air Force base recently for a BBQ. During one of the breaks, I was hanging out around some of the enlisted by the grill. A couple of the girlfriends/wives were there. Whenever they talked about or referred to a woman, they always said “Female” instead of girlfriend or wife. They said “Female” with an emphasis on “object.” At the time I thought, “How wrong is that?”

Now I get it.

Prediction: Tamba gets 10 sacks this year.

by ChiefDog on Nov 8, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

FYI

A major part of the reason women are called “females” and men “males” is that they try to make it technical and avoid any negative connotations. The Army likes everyone to be treated equal and a female is equal to male in every way (nevermind the fact that they have lower PT standards and aren’t allowed in combat, which is just ridiculous). You kinda get used to referring to them as male/female.

But yeah…there is definitely a manner of speaking about them that refers to them as more of objects than human beings. Those wives deserve it.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 AM CST up reply actions  

P.S.

Thank you for your service Sir!

Prediction: Tamba gets 10 sacks this year.

by ChiefDog on Nov 8, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

You're quite welcome

And please, don’t call me Sir. I work for a living ;-)

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Hooah!

I hear you brother! Two months and counting! If you ain’t CAV and a Chiefs Fan you ain’t shit…

by Chiefs Fanatic on Nov 9, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...

I’m FA, but in 1st CAV. And a Chiefs fan. So I guess I’m the shittest of the SHIT. HOLLER!

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm almost as honored by you kind words

as I am by your service to our country. The girl’s loss.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Nov 8, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Just doing my part

Someone’s gotta hang out here in Iraq so everyone back home can watch football every sunday! Might as well be THIS GUY.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 9, 2009 4:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry that is the way it worked out

better the next time Yninja :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 9, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

i am sorry

bro dont worry u will find the right woman

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 17, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Very nice

Well thought out post. I read it all and agreed with most of it. I’m kind of perplexed with some folks response to the first seven games. We all knew we had a killer schedule, young unproven team and coach. I’m an old geezer who actually remembers the super bowl win and the horrid seventies and eighties with the parade of coaches, some of who were absolutely awful. The worst of those times was that there did not seem to be a plan and it was hopeless. IMO Haley and Pioli definately have a plan . Is it the right one? I don’t know but I sure as hell don’t think any one can tell seven games into this season. I believe you can be critical and still be supportive of the organization. It’s called constructive criticism. which I find very interesting. The other kind,. destructive criticism I can do with out. By that I mean I don’t have to read it, just move along. By the way WRECKED!

David Logue

by dklogue1 on Nov 8, 2009 6:20 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agree

I remember the good old days and Super Bowls…that’s when I became a Chiefs fan. Used to be I read every post and comment…of course I was unemployed then with more time on my hands. Now, I still check out what is here, but seems like only about 30% interests me in reading it because the rest has become so negative I can’t stomach it. So I ignore.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.

by Zodeman on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

P.S.

OH YEAH!

David Logue

by dklogue1 on Nov 8, 2009 6:21 AM CST reply actions  

man its 4:23 am i just got back from a comedy show and a party

life is good chiefs are warming up i cant wait for the game. and all i have to say before i get a couple zzz is THE FUCKING CHIEFS ARE GODS. THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO WIN. HAVE PATIENCE. WE WILL BE CHAMPS.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Nov 8, 2009 6:25 AM CST reply actions  

Freaking RECD

If only for the true awesomeness of your kid!!!

Great story. You and your family are another fine example of why I’m proud to call myself a Chiefs fan.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 8, 2009 6:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks YNinja... and stay safe.

I’ll be out there in a few months. Hopefully you’ll be home by then, with or without the girl friend!

by juvatbull on Nov 8, 2009 6:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Dime a dozen, my man...dime a dozen

Especially ones like her.

Good luck wherever you go. Hopefully your tour is as uneventful and boring as mine has been (boring is good, trust me).

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 8, 2009 6:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe where you shop...

they go for 12 for ten cents here

This space for rent.

by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I hear you can get half a dozen for a nickel

Or 5 cents for 6.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 8, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I've got my 4 year old

decked out in Chiefs gear every Sunday. I think I’m going to take him to his first game next season.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Nov 8, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

As a 10-yr Colorado resident (KC native), there's a saying in the Rockies:

No such thing as bad weather – just bad equipment. I scrimp on a lotta things, but the one thing that’s worth spending on is the right gear for all weathers (and in the mountains, it changes minute-to-minute). Your son will love you all the more for it. Reading between the lines, it comes through that your son thinks a lot of you, and wants to make you proud – and he’s already succeeding!

Rec’d as is this ’Post.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Btw, I added the picture

I figured a picture of a defensive player scoring a touchdown was Kool Aid enough.

by Joel Thorman on Nov 8, 2009 6:33 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks Joel

I haven’t been brave enough to add pictures to my posts yet.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Nov 8, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, I don't agree with a bunch of stuff you wrote

but at least you put some thought and effort into writing a good post. I’m not so much in the I hate pioli camp…. But I’m firmly in the Why the hell did we hire Todd Haley camp. In fairness, I’ve been there since day one saying his style coupled with his lack of experience would be a problem….. Anyway, I’m also not in the fire Haley now camp. Herm Was pretty much given two years to see out his plan, that didn’t work, so Hell, Give Haley his two years…. Although he sure as hell better win three games this year after his arrogant 22 guys off the street comment.

by callmesir on Nov 8, 2009 6:54 AM CST reply actions  

This team has been blown up two seasons in a row, and severely lacks talent in major key areas. You can’t expect immediate success and then stomp around w hen it doesn’t happen. The key for Haley is whether or not the players play hard for him , or if they give up. I haven’t seen them giving up yet. As for next season, I fully expect to see a new OC and DC, and I think they will finally lure Crennel over this time. We had the disadvantage of hiring people later then most other teams, and though I really would have liked to see us give Lesley Frazier a chance, I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Haley, who doesn’t seem to possess the asshole gene that is so prevalent in guys like Mangini.

by Topchief1 on Nov 8, 2009 7:01 AM CST reply actions  

Mangini possesses a lot more than just the asshole gene

He has the worthless gene, the idiot gene, the scumbag gene, and the JERK gene.

And he’s fat. Yeah, I said it.

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 8, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

and he's STILL

won more games than todd haley… how sad….

by callmesir on Nov 8, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Not this year he hasn't

he had much more talent with the Jets. Talent goes a long way.

This space for rent.

by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

ditto

i call mangini satin

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 17, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Great post!

Loved it, rec’d it. I agree with everything you said and I read the entire thing!

Even if you don’t agree with Haley, give him the same chances every other coach gets. 2 seasons minimum!

Building up a franchise takes time, and just because we are tired of losing doesn’t give us an excuse to lose our clarity and start calling for coaches heads every time we lose. Give him his shot and when his 2 years are up, then we can listen to all the positive and negative things he has done and weigh his future.

In my opinion, his future will be clear cut after 2 seasons anyhow and there won’t be nearly as much to discuss as everyone thinks that there will be now. He will either be successful or an obvious failure.

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 7:23 AM CST reply actions  

Well done Pork Chop

Drinking some Kool Aid right now. Mmmmm that’s smooth.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 8, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent post!

There are few things I hate more than throwing around the phrase “kool-aid drinker” and for the reasons you stated. It’s hapening this year, it happened last year.

I was really hoping to see better than what I have thus far from Pioli/ Haley. I really hope they rally.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 8, 2009 7:40 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

THAT

has to be one of the scariest pics i’ve seen on here yet

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.

by Zodeman on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'ed

Because i can

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

My god....

he’s got fat dimples!

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 9, 2009 4:30 AM CST up reply actions  

OH NOOOO!

It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.

by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Drinking the Koolaid

A lot of these fans are used to drinking the koolaid because they do the same gullible thing with Obama.

by Aejfan on Nov 8, 2009 7:46 AM CST reply actions  

Really?

You are gonna go there?

This space for rent.

by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

just ignore it man.

there’s no point to that comment other than to stir up trouble.
Critical? Check
Off Topic? Check
Adds nothing to the discussion? Check

Just ignore it.
OH YEA!!

by thehulk on Nov 8, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough...

It does have one thing in common with the Pioli/Haley era. Its a little too early to be really critical.

This space for rent.

by averagegatsby on Nov 8, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Well...
Its a little too early to be really critical.

At least football teams have a salary cap. (wink)

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm really not going to get into a political discussion...

but a whole year isn’t too early to be critical… just in general….

by callmesir on Nov 8, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

The Kool Aid Drinker's Manifesto for the Chiefs !

   As another die hard KC Chiefs fan ; I like my Kool Aid Red & Gold ! " OH YEAH ! ! " Thanks ; PORKCHOP for another refill of Kool Aid ! Rec ’ d .

by 65tosspowertrap on Nov 8, 2009 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

I think I may cook Porkchops for the game today...

and make a fresh batch of Kool-Aid. One of the finer, and much needed, posts I have seen on the site. Excellent big picture analysis.

By the way, thanks for giving me and my earlier post a link and a shout-out…!

I cannot really add too much to this already developed post, mainly because there have been no posters who don’t agree, at least not fervently.

Great work and I look forward to more posts of this caliber.

If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.

-Steve Nash

by Red Shadow on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 AM CST reply actions  

Keep Passing the Kool Aid PorkChop

It’s easy to just react to things as they happen, it is much harder to wait for long term plans to come to fulfillment. And lately I have seen a lot of reactionary post and comments, almost to the point of this morning of giving up trying to justify my beliefs. It is my belief that most of the negativity that has been going on here at AP is coming from a minority a sometimes very loud minority. I think most of us understand that it takes time to completely rebuild a team and that no quick fix will get us to the goals we long for overnight. It’s is easy to sit back and second guess every roster move without knowing everything that has gone into making that decision, things we don’t see like practices, how players are in the locker room and what they are saying to each other. I know I’m not seeing everything and that I never will get the full story most problems with employees are handled behind closed doors not out for all to see.

I’m personally sick of the bashing not because I’m in love with everything the new leadership has done, but because the bashers have not given it a chance. Once the loses started off the band wagon they went and where I live it is like watching Saints fans, when they are losing no one is a fan, but when they are winning they come out of the wood work and say they have been fans forever. Chiefs fans have always been different we show our pride even in the worse of times and when things are good We are as loud as they come. It takes time for things to change we are new in every form we can be and anyone that thinks thing will come together overnight, well they are just delusional.

Ever faithful to the Chiefs…My Chiefs

is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?

I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!

by KC Fanatic on Nov 8, 2009 7:56 AM CST reply actions  

Dude You Nailed It!

Thank you for bringing a positive light back to our Chiefs!

by kcchiefs182 on Nov 8, 2009 8:00 AM CST reply actions  

Great Post

Hard to believe so many neg-heads after 7 games, which the most realistic predictable record would be 2-5. Will Haley prove to be the right coach for this team? Is Pioli the right GM? Possibly not, but its WAY too early to make these judgments. Condemnations of the 2009 draft and player personnel decisions of this administration are overblown and premature. All of the media firestorms, Bowe benching, the Q-back “controversy”, composure issues, and “sign-gate” tell us more about our abysmal press corp than anything else.

by Kane on Nov 8, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

Porkchop,

how about writing us a post about how much you love to love the love of those who love love when love’s cup is running over with love for the Chiefs. I think Pioli loves Haley and Haley loves Pioli and they both love Clark Hunt. I love the Chiefs terrible team too.

I love it when Haley screams profanity in the face of grown men. I love slogans about the right 53. I loved Pioli’s first draft. I love Pioli’s plan. I love the state of the Chiefs nation.

Pass the cool aid. I love it! I hate people who don’t.

by choirboy on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

Can I buy some of your crack?

Penn State to Kansas City...Always a winning combination.

by YNinja on Nov 8, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

That was fucking great

Lol

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 10, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent

I agree with almost everything. Most importantly, the quotes Pioli has about needing guys who fit Haley’s style of coaching. That is the main explanation for why some players who are decent are no longer with the team. About the only thing I might add to the discussion would be to address the whole “he just yells at them” issue. The thing that fails to get reported or acknowledged is the fact that he also praises a lot. And he never throws the guys under a bus in press conferences. For a good read about how his style works…check out Kent Babb’s story about Bowe from a couple days ago.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now.

by Zodeman on Nov 8, 2009 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

I can't wait to hear what Upamtn and UC think about this post lol!!

I couldn’t love it anymore if I wanted to. All I personally have been screaming about kool-aid is those who refuse to even think about the slightest possibility that we may be in trouble here.

I can more than handle kool aid drinkers who KNOW their kool aid drinkers..

See it’’s like me…I’m an IDIOT….but I KNOW it…I’m aware of it. Watch..

Q -“Kray, are you an idiot”?

A- “OH I don’t know about that..I didn’t usually try things like that ya’ know”?

Q- So are you an idiot or not?

A- “Well yah of course”

See? That’s why I ilike this post….HONESTY…!! Now I’m more than willing to drink the kool aid switch parties under the guise of “temporary insanity”. At least I know right?

Go KOOL AID…Go Chiefs!

by krayfish on Nov 8, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

no kray, don't drink it!

PorkChop – as one of the Non Believers, just have to say EXCELLENT POST

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I have to say you, Kray, and UC

are the ones that usually make me stop and think about things and why I believe what I believe about our team. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Nov 8, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I would add Callme sir
We don’t especially like the Reality but we need to ack the different perspective.
The aforementioned have been consistent.
except Kray :) Who sometimes is in left field with Me.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 9, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec 58 :)

Pioli is so proud of Porkchop!

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 18, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

go for it.

i can see you’ve put in a lot more effort in collecting and keeping up and tracking all of this (ie. pioli’s day 1 press conference… quotes, interviews, etc) good job KCporkchop.

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Nov 18, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That was just too Kool

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now. 11/18 Oh My! Dbowe gets a restraining order to stay 1200 yards away from the Chiefs. Argh! Can we go 5-11? Can the defense make #20?

by Zodeman on Nov 18, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Well done and thanks PorkChop

I appreciate you serving up a fresh batch of my beverage of choice. HaterAid doesn’t do a thing for me.

All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.

by Idahochief on Nov 8, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Say no to Hateraid!!!!!

Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

by SuperTurtle on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you PorkChop.

Well said sir…

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 8, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

I'm a Kool Aid drinker...

just because I don’t give up on my coaches or players after only 1/2 a season. Seriously, 1/2 a season of playing with mostly another regime’s players isn’t enough time to evaluate the job a coach/GM has done. If the regime before this one had been great and then we went 1-6, then I might be thinking what the hell are we doing with this coach/GM. That wasn’t the case. Last year’s team won exactly 1 more game than we have so far this season. What happened with the Falcons and Dolphins last year were anomalies compared to what they’ve done so far this season. Merely changing regimes and getting a franchise QB isn’t the solution to getting a Super Bowl caliber team. Persistence and hard work are.

by Kristospherein on Nov 8, 2009 7:04 PM CST reply actions  

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I love da Kool Aid

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by Peterman700 on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

I dont drink the kool-aid....

 at anything in life, I make decisions for myself. I do have hope that Pioli/ Haley will work out, But I feel like giving up on the Chiefs its that bad. I became a fan around 1995, Im not used to them having 3 back to back losing seasons.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

I cheered for the Chiefs

in the 1st Super Bowl which they lost & the 4th SB which they won & I’ll be cheering when they win the next one they play in. There have been many ups & downs throughout those years & we are about to embark on another one of the upswings & I think they are building this team to maintain that up level for a sustained period this time. IMHO

by ttownmikey on Nov 9, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too since 67 or whenever a person developes fandom. Bourne Identity 1962. Fan 4 ever

Hang in there DBar.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice overview.

I drank a little too much kool-aid, yesterday.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 8, 2009 8:10 PM CST reply actions  

Wrecked!

Very well put. I have faith in the route that the organization is headed. The road is dark and gonna be ugly but there is light shinin in through the trees.

I don’t mind people pointing out mistakes and such, I just wish that they could throw in the positives right along with it.

As a GySgt in the Corps, if I am counseling one of my Marines, I will first start with the areas that they are screwing up in, followed by the things that they are doin ok, but need to work on still, and then finish with the areas that they have either shown improvement or are knocking it out of the park performance wise.

Posters on here should do the same. It would be more positive for all of us. To do nothing but complain and whine and cry and be nothing but negative is counterproductive to what we all would like for our Chiefs.

Thank you Porkchop for writing such a post…hopefully it inspires others.

by RodeoChief on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

it has nothin to do with Kool-Aid

its all about perception and reality…perception is we will get better,, i honestly believe that. I mean the Bengals got better….reality is we suck right now, we have made sucky trade decisions, and probibly have made some sucky draft picks….right or wrong?

by Sea of RED on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions  

Not right or wrong

just way too early to tell.

by Kane on Nov 9, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Pork Chop...

we’ve had a rocky road getting to a point where we could agree on anything really lol. It’s right here though..

really is a great post…I read it again this morning I liked it so much

by krayfish on Nov 9, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

A superb post

I have found myself seeing a like-mind in you PC, as well as a few others here in AP. I too am a thoroughly loyal and yes a kool-aid drinking fan of the Chiefs. I also have seen that anything you have written is precisely my thoughts and views in regards to the team.
I raise my red filled cup to you on your post that very eloquently represents and speaks for us kool-aid guzzling Chiefs fans.

Cheers!

"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer

by Bad Medicine on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

Very good post Chop!

I appreciate the fans here who take their time to share their own insight on the State of the franchise. It makes me proud to share some time and thoughts with all of you guys whether I agree with you or not. I’m the first to say, dont take me serious most of the time, but I am passionate about our boys and will stand in defense of them against any army. Chop you have rocked us with this post and we are better people for it. Thanks dude!

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Nov 9, 2009 6:34 PM CST reply actions  

there's 'drinking the kool-aid' then there's drowning in it

I think to be a “fan” of any kind, you have to allow your self to be carried away with the emotional momentum of the situation you have chosen to be a part of.

That means, being at least somewhat idealistic, having high expectations,, exceeding patience and more than a little tolerance for things you might not agree with.

Everyone here is a ‘fan’ of the Chiefs and does ‘drink the kool-aid’ to some degree. Some moreso than others.

 I think though, as with everything, there is a point where ‘drinking the kool-aid’ passes the line of believability for most folks.

Think of you’re favorite fiction movie or story, there are those you are willing to suspend dis-beleief and ‘reality’ for the sake of having fun and enjoying the moment.

I think though, all of us, or at least most of us, have experienced the moment where the people providing said entertainment push the line a bit too far and count on our ability to suspend reality past the point of ‘the bubble’ where we just can’t accept what is put in front of us because it is too far out, too jarring of a ‘non-real’ possibility for most of us. and the movie or story is ruined for us at that point.

That is the difference between ‘drinking the kool-aid’ and ‘drowning’ in it.

I am a concrete, die hard fan of KC and I cannot fathom being a fan for any other team in the same way I am for KC. i have emotionally invested myself in this team, as many others have. I may not always like what I see and I may not always agree with what’s going on in the office, but nothing changes the fact that i want the Chiefs to be the best.

It is because of that, I am going to rec this post because as long as we are all still only talking about ‘drinking’ instead of ‘drowning’ i have nothing but respect for those who are KC fans.

Good job expressing yourself.

Big Bear

by bigbearomaha on Nov 10, 2009 8:27 AM CST reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

It’s so funny to hear all of the complainers. I have to politely disagree with the poster who said that we are all fans. Im not going to say any names, but there are some of us here who only come to post negative things. That’s not a fan. That is some one who likes to be negative and complain. I’ll tell you what’s going to be funny…… when all of the complainers try to act like they believed all along once things turn around. And they will turn around.

by Enite on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I’m on his side.

by hayoli on Nov 17, 2009 2:01 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for this

Even if people like you and I are wrong in the end, it’s refreshing to be able to read a well thought out rebuttal of the criticism that has overcome the airways and the local print. This as well as the educated arguments on both sides inspired me to join AP. Thanks again.

by old_school on Nov 18, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

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