Whitlock Takes Aim at Chiefs Brass (On the Radio Edition)
Yesterday on 610 Sports, Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star joined Chris and Cowboy to talk about the newest drama at Arrowhead - The Sign.
And in typical Whitlock style, he holds nothing back. He ranges from calling the new administration "stupid" with their decisions, "clueless" at times and, of course, arrogant.
This might be the best line, though:
"It's amateur hour over there. Carl Peterson is somewhere laughing his ass off and I know Herm Edwards is laughing his ass off."
After the jump, I've pulled out a bunch of snippets from his interview, which you can listen to here. He also relayed many of these feelings in his column this morning.
Many of us figured these signs were put up at the request of Todd Haley, who had told reporters that he planned to have them up weeks ago.
"I believe on this deal here, he's scrambling because he's covering for Scott Pioli. There's no chance in hell that that sign was put up without Scott Pioli's approval on location and what was said on that sign. Everything that goes on in that practice facility that has to do with football, Scott Pioli signs off on. The whole message screams from Scott Pioli. It's a joke."
Whitlock argues that Haley's talk about the hallway the sign was in as being "sacred" is a "joke" and he's backtracking because either he or Chiefs PR didn't realize what this would turn into.
"It took them 24 hours to figure out, 'We look like a couple of jackoffs.'"
Whitlock argues that the sign is indeed a slap at Larry Johson, and it's an immature move on the part of the Chiefs brass.
"You know what they look like? When I was in New England, in 1998, and got into it with the fans, I put up a sign with Bledsoe, gay and a question mark. That kinda immature, rookie stuff....I was 27, 28 years old. I can't remember how old I was - but I was just a controversial, outspoken, on the edge columnist who responded to some taunting by doing something inappropriate."
And for the money quote:
"Larry Johnson got them into a taunting contest and they responded like a couple jackoffs, not like guys that are getting paid millions to run an NFL franchise."
You know, if Whitlock would just stop holding back and tell us how he really feels, his career would really take off.
"I wanted these guys to have success. But from day one when they got here they've been arrogant, spoiled, stupid, clueless, completely in over their heads in the way they've conducted themselves, most of this driven by Pioli, and Haley following his lead."
Whitlock's apparently not the only one that he claims believes Haley is a puppet for Pioli.
"If you talk to Adam Teicher, Randy Covitz, Kent Babb, any of these guys that followed these guys early on, Haley couldn't talk almost without getting approval from Scott Pioli. He was brought here to be Pioli's puppet. So, it's laughable to think that now Haley's throwing up signs without Pioli's approval."
Now, here's where it gets a little interesting. Whitlock claims he has multiple sources that tell him Pioli's reputation has been that of an ego-maniac since his time in New England. Hindsight is 20/20 but Whitlock says he now regrets not doing his homework on Pioli a little better.
"These guys are a couple of rookies and I've heard from numerous people around the league, 'Oh Jason, I wish you would have checked with me before you did all this co-signing for Scott Pioli. I could have told you this long ago this guy's reputation in New England Ego-maniac who rode Bill Belichick's coattails. I felt foolish for not doing better homework and exposing this guy before he got here. Can they change and adjust? Yes, hopefully they will. But right now wev'e got a couple clowns running this football team."
Why was Whitlock in contact with Pioli for a year before he got the job?
"I had access to people who knew better, credible people. But I went with my own instincts. I haven't written a whole lot about this but for a year before the guy got the job I was in regular communication with Scott Pioli."
.....
"Ever since I've started writing about some of the problems I've seen, I've been inundated from friends of mine [who say] 'Jason, man, I coulda told you this.' And they've got stories to back it up."
....
"They're not doing any self-evaluation. 'It's these terrible freakin' players we've got', 'It's these idiot media people that just don't get it', 'I won three Super Bowls', 'I was the offensive coordinator for a team in the Super Bowl and if everyone would just shutup and do what we told them to they'd be 4-4 right now'.
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"They've got these guys singing the tune, like Glenn Dorsey, pretending they're all good with it because they want to keep their paychecks."
Can you share any of these stories about Pioli that you've learned?
"I'm going to share them in the Kansas City Star because that's where I get paid. At some point I am. So many people are caught up with these guys and I think I have it in for them. And some people say, 'Oh you must be in the tank for Brian Waters.' Man, I haven't talked to Brian Waters all season other than BS, 'Hey how's your family doing', in the locker room."
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ha ha ha
hes just pissed he because they dont tell everything to the media like the last dip shits
by 67401erk on Nov 6, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
he does it again..
how are making these signs that promote “TEAM” make the new organization clueless and arrogant??
Herm would be laughing his ass off…but then would realise 3 seconds later he’s not coachin anymore. As for King Carl he’s probably living on a house boat in Miami. Whitlock you get the award for one of the most idiotic and dilusional journalist ever.
by Chiefs190 on Nov 6, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
jerk off jason
he isn’t journalist he’s way to busy whippin off his buddies on the Chiefs. he’s been crying ever since they told his buddy to wake tf up. i bet the guy hasn’t talked to or requested to tt pioli or haley more than once.
bottom line is jerk off jason is to busy babying his buddies on the Chiefs so he gets invites to all their parties to be a journalist.
by riverhorse on Nov 6, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
I can’t wait for gameday.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock
is a freakin moron…as usual.
by Kristospherein on Nov 6, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
one take away
If I was on AP, commenting on Pioli and Haley, and Whitlock came out and agreed with me… I’d have to rethink my opinions.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 6, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
you and me both
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 6, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone is full of shit 90% of the time
They are right 10% of the time.
In this instance, I agree with much of what he has to say.
I’ve hated this sign since day 1, calling out players and calling them losers is no way to run a team.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but in this case
that other 10% isn’t right…it is merely partially full
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 6, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they aren't calling anyone losers, per se
but they are saying what losers and winners do and for a team trying to learn to win, i think the message is right on. i would be surprised if this message hasn’t also been conveyed verbally to the team prior to the sign being put up.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Craig, I would be offended at that sign also
But the real difference here is my job is not based on winning and losing like someone on a football team so I don’t believe most on the team would take that personally. Winning and losing (well, mostly losing) is an everyday occurrence and the most important culture issue that needs to be changed. In my job, you can’t have a culture of losing that needs to be changed like in football. Rambling a little but I think the CONTEXT that the message is used makes the difference here. They clearly mean winning and losing on the field, not ‘You are personally a loser’ with the message they are trying to convey.
by jboot1 on Nov 6, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a question of "on the field" ...
… I think it’s a matter of “if we lose it’s on The Players” with no “sign” pointing to management … and THAT’S the offensive part
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice, Stag
I do agree that sign doesn’t get put up without Pioli’s approval.
Maybe the “Fire Haley” bandwagon should become the “Fire Pioli” bandwagon.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 6, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less about the sign
It’s being blown WAY out of proportion
they put quotes up all the time… I think the message was lost in the shuffle…
come together as a team, and find ways to WIN.
that’s the RIGHT message
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to agree, though, that it's piss-poor timing
And while it may not be a jab at LJ, it seems like a blatant jab at LJ.
That said, I could give two shits about the sign either.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 6, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see what messages were up every week prior to this one...
I’m sure there were others people would like or not like.
Also, how much trouble is Looney in for breaking the story and making it an issue?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looney may just lose his "Insider" privs for a bit
He definitely won’t be taking any behind-the-scenes pics anytime soon, and will probably require an escort to walk him around stadium grounds.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 6, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor bastard
probably took it at face value. He didn’t understand the true intent behind it which was to take a jab at LJ and throw the rest of the team under the loser bus.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 6, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
devils advocate...
who says that your interpretation was the “true intent” ?
maybe it was meant to be taken at face value?
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is my sarcasm not shining thru
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 6, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, no it wasn't.. but I'm with you now :)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why haven't you guys run this A-Hole out of town?
He fills in for Rome sometimes and I have to turn him off.
by idahochieffan on Nov 6, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
you call him A-Hole ... I call him "the voice of enlightenment"
matter of opinion … personally, I like what he writes and how he writes, and he tells it like it is (rather like Cosell) … sure, turn him off, don’t read the columns … stay in the dark about reality
but from what I’ve seen over the many years Whitlock has been in KC, he tells the truth … you may not like his style or his sarcasm, but the bottom line is, it’s true
so, suppose Babb, Gretz, Covitz, Teicher, Looney all came out and said the same thing … would you STILL say Whitlock was lying?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I don't care for him or his 'style'.
Maybe it’s because we’re not doing well…I haven’t read what he wrote when we were doing well,so maybe I’m just seeing one side of him – I don’t know. Tell me if you had “stories from credible people”, wouldn’t you have written about them by now? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sold on the whole Pioli/Haley thing yet…As a matter of fact I don’t like what they’ve done so far. I hope they can get it going, because we’re stuck with them for awhile.
by idahochieffan on Nov 6, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
considering he just dropped 3 credible names I'd say it's a done deal ...
again, this isn’t about Whitlock’s style … it’s about Pioli
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even when the Chiefs were winning
We got the same thing, He is Mr. Negativity. He bitched when things were going well and we were in the playoffs almost every year. I know very well that it is job to be controversial that’s what he gets paid for, but there have been many times when he did so on topics that there was no need. He goes off on rants and if anyone comes out against him it becomes personal to him. The Chiefs could go on one season and have a perfect season and still Twitlock would find something negative to say, because it is personal to him.
As for the names He dropped, well why haven’t they come out themselves and said something or at least agreed with him publicly? It might be because it’s not true, He has been caught many times in the past of made up facts. He is an opinion guy, not a fact checker, if there are facts that he thinks will justify his case he will use them weather they are correct or not.
This all comes down to Him, the Chiefs are not going to kiss his ass and give him free access to all things Chiefs. This is what started the bashing and that is why it will continue. He believes that he and his buddies should be allowed full access so that they can get their story’s, under Vermil he had that for almost half a season, then as usual he went too far and got his access cut back, and the bashing started. Same story different time it’s the same thing from him as it always has been since he started in KC, and the reason why I refuse to read his crap.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 7, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
douchebag
He just has a grudge. It’s personal with him. He has not one valid point in the entire rant. He is a giant douchebag. What NFL facility does NOT have things like that up.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Nov 6, 2009 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute.......
let me get this straight…….Carl and Herm are laughing their asses off? What??? Not likely, they screwed this franchise up in the first place.
by G.L. on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
well truth is we don't know if Pioli's any good or not.
He had hoodie to make him and everyone else look good. Maybe he’s no good. He was supposedly the man. The most sought after guy. He turned down other teams. We were sooooo lucky to get him.
Also didn’t we all applaud the implosion of Denver at the hands of that god awful coach McDaniels over there?? Hmm….how wrong were we on that one?? Dead wrong?? yup.
So it wouldn’t surprise me if we are dead wrong about Pioli too. This is his first opportunity to show himself as a GM making his OWN decisions. We all know hoodie runs the show in NE. Not Pioli.
by krayfish on Nov 6, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope your not right Kray
But I have to admit, I’ve had similar thoughts :(
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue one point
denver did survive IMPLOSION yes, but I wouldn’t let that franchise off the hook just yet. That whipping by BAL is the start of some bad things in DEN. They could easily be 6-6 soon looking at their schedule. They did survive implosion though, so I will give them that.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
by Red Shadow on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m tired of everyone sucking on the Donkey weiner. They’ve played crap teams and while they are better than KC, they were better than KC last year too.
They are not an elite team. They are not an elite defense. Watch what pittsburgh will do to them tomorrow.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Entirely possible last week was the beginning of a trend.
Denver definitely had a more complete team last year, with some holes. And they beefed up a couple areas, but are still think on the defensive front. A team that can beat their single coverage with the pass is going to cause them problems. But they might be well-built to take on a Pittsburgh team that’s been struggling to run, and doesn’t have a lot of blazing-fast WRs.
What surprised me last week was how Baltimore just blew up their OFFENSIVE line. In fact, that game reminds me a lot of the KC-vs-Balt game, only KC put up a helluva fight!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 6, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Played some crappy teams?"
They beat a very good Cincinatti team
They beat a terrible Cleveland team
They beat a terrible Oakland team
They beat a very good Dallas team
They beat a very good NE team
They beat a good San Diego team
They only played 2 “crap teams” and have the #1 defense in football…which I concider elite.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Your definition of "very good" is a little off
Dallas has looked terrible most of the time. Not even close to expectations so far.
NE has looked decent but no where near 2 years ago. I can give you a very good there.
Cincinatti? Really? Extremely inconsistent. Good at best.
Agree on the others. (sorry I’m sounding nitpicky aren’t I?)
But I agree with you in general. Denver has played extremely well and I really think they are a legit playoff contender even if they have a losing streak. They are for real.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 6, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget
HOW they beat Cinci. All luck. (Some of that luck our way and we’d be at least 3-5).
by DWWMRW on Nov 6, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"luck" as Marty used to say, "is being good enough to be in position for it to make a difference"
Denver is, KC is not
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd kray! I made the same comment a few days ago ... got lost in the shuffle of some thread
… but then you know me, I’ve been anti-Pioli and anti-Haley since they signed on with the team
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm... how are both of these BS statements true?
“Whitlock says he now regrets not doing his homework on Pioli a little better….
‘I felt foolish for not doing better homework and exposing this guy before he got here.’”
AND
“I haven’t written a whole lot about this but for a year before the guy got the job I was in regular communication with Scott Pioli”
The guy is a jerk masquerading as a journalist. Does not deserve front page space.
by sunny D on Nov 6, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I was going to quote the same thing but you beat me to it.
I have said ALL along that there are two major goofballs in sports journalism in KC. Whitlock who “occassionally” writes a very good story but the majority of time is just sopeaking/blowing smoke.
Second is Bretz, who was speaking/writing homerism’s for the King for years. KCFX got tired of it, needed to cut someone and he was the first to go from the sidelines.
Honestly, I miss Flanagan. He was observant, wrote to the point and for the most part I enojed his articles.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meant to say "Gretz" not "Bretz"
It’s Friday, what can I say, my typing is already thinking about the weekend :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was an infantile fixation, as in...
… Gee, she has big bretz.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 6, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock is not a journalist or a news reporter. Here is an opionist.
And his opinion is usually wrong. The guy is a bitcher. If the Chiefs were 7-0 he would still be bitching about something. He wouldn’t know how to report real news, or to write something positive. He just makes up stuff. He is a classic Whitlock line:
The whole message screams from Scott Pioli.
Really, why is that? Is it because now that Carl is gone you need to find another villian to try and give you something to write about.
The signs are fine, the timing is a bit off. Yes, the signs are cheezy and high schoolish, but guess what, most of the teams in the leagues have similar cheezy signs around the building.
by saskwatch on Nov 6, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just like in real work
there are always those “management” inspiration posters or managers displaying their latest “management guru” self improvement books for all to see. This poster thing is no big deal at all. I can’t even believe there’s an issue.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Nov 7, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really want Pioli to succeed now, not just as a fan but to spite Whitlock.
If the Chiefs are indeed a success down the road, I hope people throw these words back up at Whitlock constantly. The guys is an embarrassment.
Also, with all Whitlock’s ranting about how arrogant Pioli is, it’s interesting to hear Pioli in interviews. He comes off as very humble and level-headed and not arrogant at all. Whitlock is the arrogant one.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
BINGO
Jason expects the team to treat him like he’s treated at P&L…oops wait, yeah P&L gets him and so does ESPN.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with him about P&L
That place is uppity.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 6, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys stop making fun of Whitock
He’s just looking for a GM that will kiss his butt and reaffirm to him that he’s the best reporter eva!!!
In seriousness, this guy isn’t an idiot. He keeps his name around KC by writing and saying ridiculous things. I’ve come to pretty much ignore anything he says cause he’s just a troll trying to stir the pot.
by ace328 on Nov 6, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nothing new...
Whitlock makes his living stirring up shit, making mountains out of molehills, and claiming his speculations are fact. It’s nothing new.
In one ear and out the other, for me.
by Scott B. on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fairly obvious...
Admitting his personal vendetta against Pioli was a bad move for Whitlock (especially given that his reasoning for the vendetta was so laughable). I read Whitlock and I think of a Charlie Brown-type wahwahwahwahwah.
by Dan Holmes on Nov 6, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There are many signs that are in locker rooms at the college and pro level.
For some, they have been there for decades. Maybe they added those when their teams respectively stunk as well and they were looking to light a fire under the team. Over the years, those signs became tradition. The only difference I would have done would be to paint the sign on the wall, rather than the HS bush league homecoming sign.
by Ren on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Most high school coaches (good ones anyway) model their programs on pro and college programs.
Having signs like this is a pro or college locker room is typical. I don’t see why the sign has been such a point of controversy.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Nov 6, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The sign is stupid
but even more stupid is the media/fan uproar it has created.
by jmcgoblue on Nov 6, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Slappy, you're right about the signs being up ... but with this one it's the TIMING
… and Haley’s lame backtracking about a “coach in charge of signs but he’s slow” … what, he hasn’t been demoted to 4th string sign carrier yet? or is now down to practice squad sign painter and we just haven’t heard?
BS all the way around …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damn you're amazing
If you go watch Haley’s press conference on this, every time he mentions the “sign coach” he is grinning. It seems to me that he’s saying in effect that he’s the sign coach or at least the reason the signs weren’t up yet. You’re just so stuck in Haley hate I’m not sure what he could do to be “in the right” with you. If tomorrow he suddenly was doing everything 180 degrees different than what you are bitching about today, you’d be bitching at him for that.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Nov 7, 2009 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when you are working on something you know will work
despite some short term pain, people are quick to say you’re arrogant for not changing the plan. how stupid is that? didn’t we want someone with the balls to have a plan and stick to it? i’m not guaranteeing success for these two but i believe they have a solid plan (sorry if they don’t run it by us first) and are not going to deviate despite adversity. that is the essence of leadership. anyone can run things by reacting to everything. it’s another thing altogether to actually devise a plan and, despite naysayers, put it in action. i will be disappointed if we’re sitting in the same situation this time next year and calling for heads if we’re in this same situation 2 seasons from now. until then, i’m willing to let it play out and watch the plan come together.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
by kcguy on Nov 6, 2009 10:40 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's why I'm still in Pioli's corner, at least for a little while.
Long-term success is the goal. That means winning championships. We haven’t done that since ‘69-’70.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 6, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Selling himself
What Whitlock may or may not come out and say is he is selling himself with controversy. He can talk junk and get himself on the Jim Rome Show or free ribs in KC. It’s all show biz and self promotion so I put little weight into him (whitlock) throwing his weight around.
by MarkBoise on Nov 6, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
That this is what everyone needs to band together and stop all the infighting we’ve had the last couple days.
Seriously, is there anyone here who likes whitlock? Anyone think he’s right?
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Nov 6, 2009 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like Whitlock
He’s obviously not the most accurate reporter out there, but his brand of journalism is what this team needs. This is a fanbase that’s put up with losing after losing season only to be told its because we’re building something. We then decide to scrap the rebuild as planned, bulldoze the thing, and bring in new engineers. The new engineers are a little slow to start on the job and tell us the only strong suits we thought we had to build around (talent), aren’t good enough and have to be replaced…
Truly, I don’t think Pioli is really a good talent evaluator or a football mind for that matter. I think he’s been taught a formula that he’s seen work and thats all he knows. Cut Whitlock some slack, though he’s an ass, he sprinkles his columns with harsh realities and truths most people don’t like to hear. I like people that say what they think regardless of what the popular opinion is.
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whether you like Whitlock or Not...
And while I don’t agree with everything he says, I’m really trying to understand what it is Pioli and Haley are doing with this team.. I’ve harped on this before, but how can you not question where this team is going? Let’s be honest, Pioli’s draft sucked, and don’t give me this bit that he didn’t have enough time to get ready for it – he was Executive of the Decade – your job is to draft. His personnel moves have been even worse, and he traded away Tank Tyler for a fifth round pick – a quality defensive lineman, and I said quality, not great, D-Lineman, for a fifth round pick. And then the mass exodus of Carl and Herm players has passed the point of making a point – Mike Brown is not better than Bernard Pollard and why Derrick Johnson continues to get the shaft is befuddling. He made two of the biggest defensive plays in the first two weeks and suddenly he can’t sniff the field, citing an injury. I took it with a grain of salt when Bill Simmons said that Pioli was overrated and it was Belichick who was the mastermind in NE… After watching this team, especially the egg they laid in SD before the bye – this team is not only poorly assembled, and yes, Herm and Carl are to blame for that too, but this team is horribly coached, and that falls directly on Pioli and Haley… The problem with what Larry Johnson said on Twitter about Haley is that he’s not the only one in that locker room that feels that way… I hope I’m wrong, but I keep getting this uneasy feeling that Pioli isn’t the genius we all thought he was.
www.coachesaid.com/mo
by FredThreezy on Nov 6, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
thanks for taking the time to write it out there. Completely agree with your assessment.
by Knocknheads on Nov 6, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd Fred, good comment!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Green'd
Look I’m not looking to Pile on Pioli and Haley, but I don’t think it makes me less of a fan questioning the moves and decisions that Pioli and Haley have made.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock also
predicted 16-0 after we signed big Chester. How’d that season work out?
Anyway, Whitlocks ‘realities’ are just an extreme interpretation of what’s actually happening, because if he’s not out of step with the mainstream, no one pays attention to his opinion and he’d have to find a real job.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
by Druful on Nov 6, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jux, I've always liked Whitlock and always thought he was right on ... he has opinions, just like me, you anyone else
… and he backs up WHY he has them with facts and logic, unlike some people (including some people here on AP) … I’ve never seen Whitlock flat out lie before, and see no reason why he would start now … he’s been spot on about a lot of things over many, many years …
he’s been a voice of anti-racism and anti-hate, a voice of no excuses when others make excuses … yeah, I think he’s right on this and a lot of things
notice he didn’t say “an anonymous source” here … he gave 3 local reporters’ names to back up his story, so deal with it … you don’t have to like him to admit he’s right
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the star wants an editorial coloumn every week for the paper they should just come and quote comments from AP.
The opinions and ideas expressed on this website are funnier, more entertaining, and most importantly more accurate and better informed.
by saskwatch on Nov 6, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock
Which of you is Whitlock in disguise responding to these posts. Speak up fat boy!
by MarkBoise on Nov 6, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's BJ
No wait BJ is LJ. Shit I don’t know who is who any more.
All losses in the 2009 season will be Herm and Carls fault.
by Idahochief on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Have you figured it out yet?
by Scott B. on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I was thinking
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just one simple question...
If Whitlock is who he says he is and believes what he preaches, why doesn’t he make these points in one of Haley’s press conferences? I don’t respect people who talk shit behind people’s back. And don’t answer my question with, “well he may loose his credentials”, I don’t believe that for a minute.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 6, 2009 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Says a lot don't it Lanier?
Exactly right. If anyone is the “EGO” in all this, it’s Whitlock.
or is it “eggo” as in “leggo my eggo”
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This sign crap...
is nothing more than a classic case of the media making something out of nothing!.Maybe it is a direct jab at LJ…who cares!…Maybe it pisses LJ off and he explodes again and then we have a better chance to get rid of his ass for less money….The media blows up shit like this all the time just to find something to report on and keep their jobs!
Look at the Tom Cable thing going on in Oakland. He is cleared of all wrong doing, police say there is no evidence that he hit the guy at all….A week later some reporter finds his ex wife and she says he hit me 20 yrs ago….20YEARS AGO!!!!!…….and he was never charged with anything then either…..now he is in jeopardy of losing his job and has NOW on his ass wanting action…..todays media is a friggin joke. Whitlock fits right into this catagory
by KCinAZ on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know
not many of the Nancy’s have given one thought to the fact that LJ gave all the fans a sign himself:
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Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 6, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reporters
These guys are paid to create/find controversy. it’s what SELLS. The reporter who was called a F****t by LJ did the same thing and it SOLD to the majority of Chiefs fans.
If you don’t like guy…don’t read his stuff. If you read it and complain then you’re BUYING what he’s SELLING…even though you don’t like his product.
by Knocknheads on Nov 6, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is why
when newjersey does his awesome morning Arrowheadlines report, he includes the Whitlock alert so that we don’t have to give his drivel a 2nd look. However, this thread is a post regarding his comments on the radio yesterday & everyone is responding to the post not what they read of Whitlocks article!
by ttownmikey on Nov 6, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fact is
you clearly have distain for Whitlock. so why pay attention to anything he does, whether written or spoken? Makes NO sense to continue doing something you don’t like or enjoy.
by Knocknheads on Nov 6, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem, Knock, is that for many of these fans ...
… it’s always easier to sell them some crap than it is to give them the truth
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
it is always a matter of whose truth it is…
Coming to a decision on exactly what is wrong with a team is hardly an exact science. Saying Whitlock speaks the “truth” is very funny. He is only interested in himself. While I occasionally enjoy his writing, mainly, he is exactly what he proposes Pioli to be….arrogant. He wants to be “the word” in KC. The new regime locked him out along with the rest of the press. Guys that were used to a free run at Arrowhead could no longer get unfettered access. Of course they will backup up Whitlock on his claims. Pioli is messing with their livliehood! The way they get back is to talk about them “off the cuff” so to speak. A claim here, a rumor there. Classy work.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's paind to be opinionated ... rather like us at AP except he gets money for it and we don't
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But it doesn’t mean it is the “truth”.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 6, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree ... but then, doesn't mean it ISN'T true just because it's Whitlock
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with that as well,
but your assertion is that the rest of us just can’t deal with the truth that he is spouting. Kind of like believing in aliens. Can’t prove they exist, but can’t really prove they don’t. Which means you can’t use either argument as the “truth”. Truth is undeniable and verifiable. Neither of which Whitlock possesses in his claims. He is a journalist (kind of). If he had facts to back up his claims he wouldn’t be holding them for later. He would broadcast the story everywhere.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 6, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if he did know THE_TRUTH :-)
He wouldn’t need to apologize (if you can call it that) on an article he wrote with false quotes on Rush.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, ONE for the Rush thing (you like Limbaugh? I've hated the guy forever)
… tell me, what else he’s been “wrong” on? and remember, he’s not an “investigative journalist” … he’s not a beat reporter … he’s a columnist, meaning his job is all about writing opinions
MOST of which I happen to agree with
rather like AP: there are a LOT of posters here that I disagree with, doesn’t mean I don’t read what they post, doesn’t they’re right or wrong per se … but even those that I disagree with, I respect them and their right to have an opinion that is or might be different from my own …
… and I think people here should extend Whitlock that same courtesy … agree or disagree with him, respect his right to HAVE an opinion
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So NOW it's one thing?
Then it’ll be another and so on. I don’t disrespect him, on the contrary, I think I respect a lot of people. I don’t respect the sensationalist “Judge Judy” type of journalism.
If you’re accusing me of “disrespecting” him, then you’re dead wrong.I quoted him on numerous occasions and I’ve contradicted his “analysis” quite a bit. Doesn’t mean I disrespect him.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And as far as the Limbaugh question...
that doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with whether Whitlock outright lied. Doesn’t matter if they agree or disagree with Limbaugh’s “politics”. So don’t change the topic of whether someone supports Limbaugh.
Maybe Whitlock needs to learn some “respect” in his writings instead of making false accusations?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to go on their record for reliability...
And Whitlock has been dead wrong far too many times.
Don't forget to be an AP-vangelist...Tell A Friend...
by woodman212 on Nov 6, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jason is right on ... he wrote about an interview/lunch he had with Pioli and Haley just after Haley was hired ...
… and every time he tried to ask Haley a question, Pioli would jump in and answer it … every time
so, maybe a lot or most of you don’t like his style of writing, but guess what – he’s RIGHT! were you bitching when he was on Carl Peterson’s case about any number of things? probably saying “yeah, Jason, go!”
ttwon just said it best: you guys don’t even bother reading what he says … not because he’s right or wrong, because after all, how can you know if he MIGHT be right if you don’t even bother hearing him out? well, you don’t and you can’t … the definition of closed minded
other than Jeff George, which was really a running joke, I can’t think of a time when Whitlock came out with a story that was blatantly untrue
wake up and smell the BS, people … it’s not coming from Whitlock, it’s coming from One Arrowhead Drive
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you guys don’t even bother reading what he says … not because he’s right or wrong, because after all, how can you know if he MIGHT be right if you don’t even bother hearing him out? well, you don’t and you can’t … the definition of closed minded
I’ll take offense to that. I read him all the time and just because I don’t agree with him, doesn’t make me close minded.
Who are you to tell fans that we’re close-minded for constructing an opinion based on his writing? Just because you agree with him doesn’t make the rest of us close-minded.
That’s like telling fans they don’t know anything about football and should go back to earning $5 an hour…oh wait, is that you LJ?
So if you don’t like our opine….fine. But don’t accuse us of being close-minded. That’s a B.S. remark.
I can’t think of a time when Whitlock came out with a story that was blatantly untrue
You mean like his “apology” to rush Limbaugh where he quoted Rush as saying things without doing his homework recently? (Not that I defend Rush)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll defend Rush
but I dont want to make this a Rush thread. But I agree 100% The Truth. People who don’t accept that others can and may have an opinion different from theirs are the ones who are close minded. So I say this: Tell me 5 things Whitlock has said positive about the Chiefs since the Brian Waters off season “alleged” visit to the offices? (not aimed at The Truth)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 6, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lanier, I respect your right to defend Rush ... in my own mind, he's indefensible
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I clearly referred to posters who openly claim they DO NOT READ Whitlock and then STILL rant and rave about him
as above
That is why
when newjersey does his awesome morning Arrowheadlines report, he includes the Whitlock alert so that we don’t have to give his drivel a 2nd look …
by ttownmikey on Nov 6, 2009 11:04 AM MST
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Horsehockey...no you didn't
You yourself said “ttwon just said it best:”
Don’t back-track. You supported the comment and that comment specifically implies the rest of us as well since we disagree with your stance on Whitlock.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used that as an EXAMPLE
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you hadn't noticed,
that was the only post I made on this thread (until now), & it was simply pointing out that a lot of people don’t read Whitlock & newjersey points it out as Whitlock’s for that reason, due to knocknheads statement to not read Whitlock if you don’t like him. If I make a comment about these statements made by Whitlock, it will be due to what I read on this post just as I also commented.
The guys whom are arguing with you are stating that they read Whitlock & don’t agree with your viewpoints of him. I simply stated that I & many others no longer read him because we are tired of his opinions!
Don’t try to twist it to say that you are right because people don’t read Whitlock! Those aren’t the people whom are commenting on this thread. Everyone of them has stated that they read Whitlock & don’t agree with him!
by ttownmikey on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock mostly has to write things to shock so that people actually do read him...
I know I never read him unless he is a headline here. And I read pretty much everything that is written related to the Chiefs.
How come Whitlock is different than every other columnist in the country?
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 6, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he isn't, really
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's your opinion
and I’ll take the opposite view… that his writing is totally different then Posnanski and when Flanagan was at The Star.
And Jo Po is writing for SI now full-time, which Whitlock could only dream of accomplishing.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of quotes from Whitlocks article after Pioli's hire:
I like Pioli — a lot. He’s young, confident, disciplined, smart and he’s certainly been in the right organization.
Pioli has a great rep. He’s risking a lot leaving the Belichick nest. He didn’t do it blindly or with dollar signs dancing in his head.
While certainly not the entire article, his theme throughout was how much he liked Pioli and that he was a great hire. Interesting that he had a “great” reputation in January…
Until Jason was locked out of the locker room.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 6, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, in part anyway
wake up and smell the BS, people … it’s not coming from Whitlock, it’s coming from One Arrowhead Drive
While I don’t doubt the organization is selling it’s fair share of BS, to say Whitlock isn’t doing some of his own is a reach. Is everything he says BS? Most likely not. Is everything he says true? Most likely not.
It’s reactions to things like Whitlock’s articles and the sign drama that I find interesting. You can generally tell where someone’s coming from by how they react to them.
You’re someone that’s admitted being against Pioli/Haley from the start, therefore anything negative about them rings true in your eyes. Others who are on the Pioli/Haley bandwagon tend to defend the actions or get upset at Whitlock’s rants.
I find I don’t agree with you often at this point and if that makes me a homer or whatever, so be it. I do enjoy reading your thoughts, just as I continue to read Whitlock. I like to think I’m open-minded. I’ve noted some of the concerns shared by you and others like UCrawford and while I’m not quite as concerned about them (yet) I do see that they are mostly valid criticisms.
by bh13 on Nov 6, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A perspective on Whitlock
He was actually born in the Anti-Matter/ Bizzaro universe. So most of his opinions are the proportional inverse of what the reality of this Universe is (ex. a few year back, acting as a press agent for LJ, demanding that we re-sign him as it was in the best interest of the team. This was in fact the absolute worst thing we could have possibly done at the time, hence, the situation we are currently in) So in fact Whitlock is a prophet way ahead of his time. He not wrong. He’s right in a way that most of us will never understand. Good day and God Bless.
by ill_spec on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep, give the man his money....
was I think his actual quote at the time.
by jboot1 on Nov 6, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can all agree to this,
if its only Championships itself that we only concerned with, we have sucked since 1970. We have to establish a winning team before we can win a championship. Was everybody that is calling for Haley’s head doing the same to Stram his first year? Oh yeah only a few of us go back that far…lol
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 6, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Whitlock
lost me this summer after the DJ Jazzy Jeff fiasco at the Power & Light District when he chose to write an article, telling how he was turned away from a nightclub for what he was wearing. What lost me is when he went into detail about how “fly” he looked and how expensive his outfit was.
I had on custom-made, black linen, crepe-weave shorts with a matching Tommy Bahama-style button-up shirt, black dress sandals and a black Kangol hat. I’ve worn the exact outfit or one similar to the best restaurants and clubs in Vegas, New York, Los Angeles, Miami and Kansas City.
and then decided, if we didn’t know how well off he was, took it to the next level, by mocking how much money people made.
Once inside, we discovered all three of us were inappropriately dressed. We looked far too professional and classy. Seriously. That is not arrogance. The young, mostly white people inside the club dressed the way we did when we were young and financially strapped.
Soooo…a column that was supposed to be about “social injustice” more or less became an article about how he dresses when he hits up all the high end hot spots when he jet sets.
And then the hip-hop name dropping, of people he hangs out with, ridiculous.
If you know me personally, you know I’m friends or friendly with many of this city’s rap artists. You may have seen me out socializing with Tech N9ne, Krizz Kaliko, Big Scoob, Skatterman, Snug Brim and the Rogue Dogg Villians. Rich the Factor and I hang out at the same spot before we hit the casino. I’ve never met him, but I think Ron Ron might be Kansas City’s breakout mainstream rapper.
Bragging about clothes, making jabs at people who make less than you, name dropping, being kicked off of ESPN only to go to the b-league known as “Fox Sports” while your colleague (who is VERY much respected and might go down as one of the greatest of all time) moves on to Sports Illustrated, he’s not happy with his station in life…kind of like Larry Johnson.
by bansky on Nov 6, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not debating he's a blow-hard or an idiot
But we can’t simply dismiss when he actually has a quality point just because 90% of the shit he says is rediculous.
I’m not going to change my mind on how this team is being handled simply because I agree with an idiot.
Look at your ex-president who is a notorious “idiot”…would you change your stance on abortion, just because he had the same stance? Probably not. I don’t agree with Pioli/Haley’s moves…I’m not going to chance my stance just because on that point, I share a brain with Whitlock.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i never
attempted to change your mind. i wrote why he lost me and the reasons why. if you think i did, please tell me where i attempted to influence you, or others and i will apologize.
by bansky on Nov 6, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Bansky
Thats not what I was insinuating. I just said I felt this way pre-Whitlock…I’m not going to change my feeling just because Whitlock and I agree on this point.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a matter of "how good" he looked ... rather the very fact there's some lame "dress code"
and if so, did he violate the code? and if not … then WHY was he not allowed in?
I could care less what he or anyone else wears … but if there are rules, stick to them and don’t enforce them in a COLOR DODED MANNER
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Riiiiight
Suuuuure
We looked far too professional and classy. Seriously. That is not arrogance.
That’s like saying “You’re an idiot, with all due respect” It’s still a slam and uncalled for.
*Not that I’m calling anyone an idiot, but I love the movie Talladega Nights and it nails it here.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Nov 6, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you ... and btw, I never saw the movie
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And it begins...
From hating Whitlock to agreeing with him. The fans slowly move to his side of the fence.
Think about it guys. We ALL KNEW this season was going to be a losing season. So did Whitlock. So he went to the extreme bashing the new head office based on new coach statistics we all knew would come to pass. He knew Haley and Pioli would have at least one terrible season to start things off so he set everyone up for one big “I told you so” moment.
So everyone hates him at first, then behold he was correct about facts we all forgot we already knew!
Don’t fall for the stunts. We can’t know how Haley and Pioli are going to work out yet and neither does he. Whitlock preys on the fickle fan. Every game we lose a few more people start listening to his rabble, then eventually he gets credit for whistle-blowing the changes early and then likely moves on to the next job where he gets better pay to start his stunts all over again.
Legitimate journalists who care about being a real journalist for the community don’t treat people the way he does. They break news, they don’t recycle it in a negative manner because they aren’t allowed access to it. Remember this all started with a grudge Whitlock had against Pioli.
Don’t let him play you.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 6, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
+1
’Recd him? Damn near killed him! lol.
Good points.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 6, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lucas
couple of points here …
1) Whitlock hasn’t changed in his opinions of Pioli or Haley … he’s said all along Pioli is arrogant, he’s just repeating it
2) he’s a columnist, not a “reporter” and not an “investigative journalist” … his job is to give opinions
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not completely true, or what i am talking about
Whitlock has DEFINITELY changed opinions of Pioli since he met him. Anyone would say that his opinion has changed from when he knew him as a pre-Chief until now.
Its hard to find his columns for when Pioli was just hired because they are all off of the Star website now but here is an excerpt directly after Pioli was hired.
Is Pioli the next Jermaine Jackson, who had a solid solo career? Or, better yet, is Pioli the next Janet Jackson, a megastar just waiting for the opportunity to shine?
That was referring to whether the Patriots success was Pioli or the rest of the head office. While not completely glowing, this is definitely not the negativity that Pioli get soon after until now.
he’s said all along Pioli is arrogant, he’s just repeating it
Not true. He says here:
I felt foolish for not doing better homework and exposing this guy before he got here.
Then he says he was in contact with Pioli for a YEAR. Did he call Pioli names then when he apparently knew him for a year before the job? His first article I could fine was about getting rid of Herm (shortly after Pioli’s hiring). It was written in the form of a letter to Pioli and it wasn’t really negative either.
Why was Whitlock in contact with Pioli for a year before he got the job?
“I had access to people who knew better, credible people. But I went with my own instincts. I haven’t written a whole lot about this but for a year before the guy got the job I was in regular communication with Scott Pioli.”
He knew him for a year, but directly after he was hired he wrote an article without calling Pioli Egoli. That came later after he got dissed by Pioli and started his vendetta.
The fact anyone listens to a guy saying a hire isn’t working out after 7 games when the Chiefs are really about where they were expected to be is ridiculous. Also, for a guy who called for Herm Edwards firing day after day he sure seems to cozy up to him now.
“It’s amateur hour over there. Carl Peterson is somewhere laughing his ass off and I know Herm Edwards is laughing his ass off.”
Some of you may find yourselves on Whitlocks side right now, but he wants to fire every coach that comes through the doors. Be real. Whenever someone wants to screw the organization over they go to Whitlock. Anyone really want to identify with that? He is not a fan, he is a critic and probably always will be. I agree with the occasional statement he makes as much as anyone else probably, but with how many words spew out of that mans mouth every month, its only a matter of time, right?
I have said in comments that I think Haley mishandled the sign situation, but I don’t use statements like :
they responded like a couple jackoffs
No because that accomplishes nothing and I don’t have a personal grudge towards these guys. Notice how he clumps Pioli into everything Haley has ever said. Haley does something, but no he is just a puppet. Pioli is the real guy you all should be mad at. You know why? Because he has a grudge against Pioli. If he can make people believe everything Haley does is really Pioli’s fault, well then Pioli gets a double dose of criticism.
Bottom line: The guy needs to go back to his blogs and stop embarrassing a paper with journalists who actually write stories, not recycled nonsense and hate mail.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 6, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one of the best in the country
Whitlock is one of the best sports writers in the country and u “cow town” homers talk about him like he writes a local sports blog..
Botoom line he is 100 percent correct, not always but diff on this subject.
South Side D
by doriang03 on Nov 6, 2009 1:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
homers ...
because roughly 65% of us think our 1-6 bottom-dwelling in most categories visiting as in on-the-road team wil beat the 3-4 playing-at-home Jags this Sunday
and on most weekends all year long, most AP-ers pick KC to win, regardless of who we play … so yeah, homers applies here, I think
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, KC is THE "cow town".
I assume you meant that as a cheap insult, but unbeknowst to you, it is quite factual! Apparently, we don’t have access to your vast knowledge of national sports writers or the background information Jason has so diligently dug up to support his claims. Perhaps in the future (certainly not now) you might share a nugget of substantial information that would show us lowly “cow town” folk how we are way off the mark.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 6, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Calgary is Cowtown
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is he one of the best in the country?
Because he airs dirty laundry in public against those he doesn’t like…for things which cannot be proven nor dis-proven?
I agree that on those rare occasions when he’s able to keep his own ego and personal vendettas out of his articles he does show talent as a sports writer. The problem is that this is the exception, not the norm. I wish he would go do Fox Sports full-time, he tends to write better for them (because he’s emotionally detached from his subjects regarding other teams).
by jmcgoblue on Nov 6, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What state is Calgary in? :p
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 6, 2009 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We can at least appreciate Whitlock for his self promotion.
1. His style is a classic “when they zig, I’ll zag” opinion approach. It’s intentional and on purpose. He’s done it over and over again.
2. He is more interested in creating news rather than reporting the news. But that’s OK—that’s his job. You must respect him for that.
3. He is NOT a reporter or a journalist. He’s an op-ed writer, and a very, very good one. This is a corollary to #2, but it’s not his job to report the news. It’s his job to stay relevant as an opinion maker in KC. Who coined “King Carl?” Who coined the “Pioli/Egoli” meme? Who coined the “22 Men off the street” saying?
4. Whitlock’s opinion is irrelevant if he doesn’t have a local enemy. It gives him an air of respectability (deserved or otherwise) that contrarians always get. He’s like the anti-JoPo. He makes arguments for the sake of making them, not because he’s interested in informing the public, much less actually influencing opinion.
5. One thing we need to remember in particular: Whitlock makes money off of controversy where there is none, by defending the indefensible and attacking the mundane. He’s the Glen Beck of sports opinion. Enternaining, certainly, but highly flammable. Classic strategy, but dangerous for the non-informed reader to follow.
6. Has anybody actually corroborated anything he’s saying here? Did anybody find out if that “22 men off the street” thing was ever actually said? Why do so many people repeat that? Has anybody actually confirmed that Scott Pioli has this giant enormous ego? Do we have any proof? We know that Belichick appears to have an ego by the way he conducts his media days, but where is the evidence for Pioli? Has any former player or coach EVER reported this?
7. Let’s be careful when quoting/repeating/believing what Mr. Whitlock says. He is an opinion maker that gets paid by creating/feeding controversy. This sign is about the most boring thing that anybody that has ever worked in an office has ever seen. Crap like that is everywhere, but Jason wants to suggest that Scott Pioli is a mastermind and is actually calling the MEDIA the losers for not agreeing with everything he does. We have no evidence to believe this, and because the Pioli Management style doesn’t acknowledge these silly accusations (a solid PR move, actually), they continue to flourish.
8. The important thing to take out of this is: they need to win. The Whitlock Hype Machine only works when people are upset—and winning is the best antiseptic there is. Until then, silly conversations like this will continue to occur and Whitlock will have an easy job (which he is awfully good at).
Let’s just remember what his job is, ok?
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by Justin Bopp on Nov 6, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Whitlock
Whitlock is not an idiot. He loves to be provocative and he does just that with his columns. He makes predictions, which are not accurate and does not use fact, just opinion, which, is obvious because he is simply an opinion columnist. He is petty though. His writings betray personal animosities toward the people and organizations he feels have done him wrong. His use of sophmoric name calling is an attempt to be the Ann Coulter of sports opinion writing. Coulter is much more amusing than Whitock. As far as Edwards Peterson “laughing their asses off”. At what are they laughing about. The fact that they left the team in such shambles for Haley Pioli to fix as some sort of childish prank that they pulled off on some unsuspecting rube. So what if they are laughing their asses off! Their incompetence over the past 3 years is out there for all to see, at least for those without blinders. We all know the old saying, “that he who laughs last, laughs best”. Haley Pioli may indeed have the last laugh, only time will tell. Whitlock’s crystal ball is no better than ours at predicting the future.
by chief66 on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i hate to
say it guys but… we should have gotten mcdaniels.
by cainsbigonchiefs on Nov 6, 2009 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the way he's conduced himself either
He just gets a “free pass” because his team is winning…
In this humble bloggers opinion, this has more to do with the Mike Nolan-led Defense than anything Josh McDaniels is doing.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 6, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
He’s supposedly an offensive guru, but their offense hasn’t been lighting it up at all…though he does seem to be doing better with his O than ‘our’ offensive guru (albeit with better talent).
Lets see where they are when McDaniels has ‘his’ roster.
by jmcgoblue on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
craig, perhaps so, but it all starts at the top ... and at the top of our Kansas City Chiefs is ...
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 6, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock is good at what he does.
He incites. He stirs the pot. He makes sure he’s on the negative side of every regime, and that gets him readers.
Look at this post. Nearly 120 comments at the time I’m writing this. The post about the Chiefs starting the second half of the season 0-0 (a chance for us to talk positively about our favorite team) . . . 17 comments.
Whitlock will shut up when we stop listening. Don’t read, don’t post, don’t respond. He’ll lose his job and move to Washington or Philly wear he’ll fit in better.
by bakerlee on Nov 6, 2009 2:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Homers
Scott Egoli asked chiefs fans to jump from the paseo bridge..
Thousands of AP readers jump to a dirty death..
South Side D
by doriang03 on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Your use of "Egoli" tells me you are definitely thinking for yourself.
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by Justin Bopp on Nov 6, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BUSTED
We know it’s you Jason.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 6, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He got turned down
Yes i think Whitlock was in touch with Pioli. but i think he wanted Pioli to give him a job and Pioli said no. why would he speak up for Pioli and just come out and slander him like he is. I remember when Whitlock come out an said Pioli was a ok. now he just pissed off the don!
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Nov 6, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
thank the lord
i dont leave in the radio listening area of this idiot. it is a sign—get over it. i am more concerned over them winning a game. plus lj is an idiot and needed to be told to shut the hell up. who cares if it is thru a sign. all you guys bad talk lj but then get irrate when a sign goes up that may pertain to him. can you say wish washy. do you like the guy or not. plus just get over it, PLEASE move on.
by gokcchiefsgo on Nov 6, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ramblings of a jack harry wanna be
jason whitlock is always trying to piss somebody off, its the only way he gets readers. this is why the media sucks for sports. id rather listen to reruns of don fortune than listen to jason wittless.
by Sinny on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
please make it stop
Whitlock’s been writing the same f—king column for years. It’s more of the same.
"If you shoot me, you're liable to lose a lot of those humanitarian awards."
--Irwin M. Fletcher.
by Arrowheadcase on Nov 6, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not from KC but I've learned over the years ....
that whatever Shitlock says, it ‘s the opposite. By the way quite interesting article from Jason Cole. Here’s what Belicheck had to say:
Cole: Why are there so many bad teams around the league this year?
Belichick: Here’s the only thing I’ll say: I think to have a really good team in this league, you have to make a lot, a lot of good decisions. You have to have a lot of good people, players, coaches, whatever. You need a lot of those. Conversely, to not be competitive, you would have to have a lot of bad decisions. One bad decision is not going to do it, one bad player is not going to do it, one bad coach is not going to do it. You’re going to have to collectively, over a cumulative period of time, make a long series of bad decisions and accumulate a lot of players who are substandard for their position. There have to be a multitude of things that go wrong.
Meaning of this … a lot lot lot lot of bad decisions were made the last few years … can’t blame Pioli Hayley of not resolving all this overnight. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t but one sure thing, Peterson/Herm did plenty of bad decisions.
by OneChiefs on Nov 6, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ok lets listen to jason whitlock.........
7 games into the season and we are 1-6. LJ is being LJ hitting women, spitting on women, talking trash on his head coach and attacking kansas city fans on twitter. chiefs have new coach, gm and a new owner trying to undo what peterson and herm did to get us in this position. Bear w/ me im trying to set this up and put all this into perspective. Now we have this sign or signs that are in chiefs home, wich jason whitlock has problems w/. We are rebuilding and thats a bad word if you want to win now, pioli and haley are trying to get us in the right direction. what they have done is shake this sinking ship up. Because they do not cater to the media as a whole, most of the media attacks them as much as possible. What those signs say is what everybody who is a chief or a chiefs fan needs to learn. We need to be a team first before we start winning. THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE A LOSING TEAM INTO A WINNING TEAM, this takes a lil longer than 7 games. larry johnson is not good enuff anymore to make up for a bad offensive line. there is no shame in that, LJ had 2 great seasons for us and i wish him all the luck SOMEWHERE ELSE. Lets go back to herm and peterson….really mr. whitlock. do we all want that?? herm isnt coaching anything anymore …peterson is a gm in the UFL why were these great football minds left off a NFL team please mr. whitlock tell me plz?? anybody I like the signs we all need to learn from those signs. 1st year head coach made some mistakes, oh god no not that. rem belichicks 1st 3 years as head coach?? Jimmy Johnsons 1st year? do i know if haley is gonna be a good coach ? no not in the least but i do know that he needs more than 7 games to make an assertion. Oh and by the way we are in this position because of carl peterson, herm edwards and god rest his soul lamar hunt, anybody that blames our stuation souly on pioli or haley is dillusional. BAD drafts as a whole, getting rid of jerod allen, signing LJ to a rediculous contract and bad offseason moves..pioli and haley didnt do that king karl and Herm " if i sound high, i am high" edwards did this. ok my rant is done.. go chiefs!! hang in there!!! ive seen darker days rem steve fuller as our starting QB!!! lol
by Sinny on Nov 6, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so Bob Griese cant talk about a driver eating a taco but thise guy can call people jackoffs
and keep his job?? i wont ever read put money or goto thestar web site again——- all they do there anyway is complain -—— there the worst cry babies of all the people that post there -—— this site has some class—- buy some of them star people are coming here i see
by The_New_KC_Chiefs on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, Whitlock is right.
Wonder how many years and how many losses these clowns will be around for ?
by WarWolf on Nov 7, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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