Chiefs Coach Haley Says New Signs Are a Team Issue
Interesting exchange with Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley regarding the new signs that have been put up around the building. His words would indicate that he didn't want the media to report on the signs, particularly this sign, that were put up during the bye week.
Quotes from Haley after the jump.
"To me that hallway, even though you guys are in it," he told reporters today, "is still a sacred hallway and I don’t think it’s any different than you guys videotaping a guy walking down the hall naked or in a towel. So, me personally I think that stuff is off-limits. You get to see it with your eyes because you come through this area but I don’t think it’s any different of taking a picture of something else in that hallway."
As a reporter pointed out in the Q&A video, the sign was first tweeted out by one of the collection of Chiefs Twitter accounts.
The Chiefs head coach was then asked by a reporter, 'So you’re saying that sign is something we should not report on?'
"That’s just my feeling," he said. "I understood that the media could see some of those things. We’ve had posters in hallways where media was in other places that we’ve been that really hadn’t been talked about. You all can make of it what you want but that’s for us."
Matt Cassel was asked about the signs a few times today and he deferred to the head coach.
Haley said he had a plan to put these signs up for weeks.
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Team Issue
Yeah…the team is being run by a micromanaging jerk who has no people skills and quits at halftime, which is definitely an issue.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just spit rum and coke on my keyboard.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 5, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell us how you really feel
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Nov 5, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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“To me that hallway, even though you guys are in it,” he told reporters today, "is still a sacred hallway and I don’t think it’s any different than you guys videotaping a guy walking down the hall naked or in a towel. So, me personally I think that stuff is off-limits.
Oh yeah…that’s a coach players will respect. He’s won one fucking game in seven tries and he’s whining about scrutiny.
Go back to college and coach golf you useless prick. And take Carthon and Pendergast with you.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Yes
I’m now starting the “Fire Haley” bandwagon. When he’s whining about the press and throwing his players under the bus with anonymous signs seven games into his tenure, he’s not cut out to be a head coach.
Losers quit and make excuses and that’s all Haley does.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're quitting on a head coach who is 7 games into his gig?
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Nov 5, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I’ve watched the NFL long enough to realize a shitty head coach when I see one. And Todd Haley is a shitty head coach.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by a previous statement that he would make a good O coordinator.
But he isn’t head coach material to me anymore.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 5, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think You're About Right
He did a good job with Arizona, but some people just aren’t cut out to be head coaches. I think Haley has fallen victim to the Peter Principle.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I been ready to get rid of Haley since the SD game….but I’ve also never really actually been a fan of his.
by ChiefinSaintsland on Nov 5, 2009 7:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about his deal in AZ
How long did he actually call plays? Because my biggest gripe about the guy is that his play calling sucks ass. Granted, there are other gripes, but that’s the worst IMO.
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by Buck'O on Nov 5, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something more than one full season
He called plays for his second (and last) season there. He started calling them late in his first season.
John
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by RDOGuy on Nov 5, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
Man I am glad you are not in charge. There is no way to properly evaluate Coach Haley yet. he was choosen because he and Pioli have a shared vision on what it takes to be sucessful. There is no question that they have had some early (even self induced) setbacks; but they must have some time to make their vision a reality. Maybe not 5 years, but 7 games? who would work for you next if you made such reckless decisions so quickly Mangini?? maybe we could hire Tom Cable next year because no highly regarded Head Coach would ever come here.
by Exploded on Nov 5, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vision?
All I see is a football team that’s every bit as rotten as last year’s team run by a GM who can’t find prospects that don’t have Bill Belichick’s or Bill Parcells’ seal of approval and by a head coach who seems to focus his efforts more on bitching about players than trying to win.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vision!
I think they have been using this season to find guys who can be future contributors. I believe they spent a lot of time evaluating they players that they had and came to the conclusion that they didn’t have much. They are trying (in vain it seems) to find THEIR Rodney Harrisons and other guys who can contribute to the future of the Chiefs. The dissapointing thing to me is their inability (although it is early) to coach guys up and make them better. We won’t make it if we have to do it all through the draft. While Dorsey seems to be making progress and Demorrio Williams is aparently progressing we have not yet seen anyone really improve… that needs to change. Like you I am greatly frustrated; but I believe that we have the right guys in charge to build this team. We have nine more games to see players develop. If after the season we are still where we are at today I might be with you. However, we are seven games in and the team was a big mess when they got here….my vote is to hold course and see what develops. Top class organizations set objectives, have a plan and work hard to achieve thir plan. These guys have both been to the mountain top….hold course baby, too early to quit and start over.
by Exploded on Nov 5, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This little tantrum of yours has gone a bit too far.
You’re complaining about a sign which a) clearly defines a winner and loser and b) is very much true to this team. We are a bunch of losers because we haven’t figured out how to play as a team…simple as that.
This whole “sign issue” isn’t really an issue at all. It’s just more reason to whine and groan about how Haley manages the team. Know what? I don’t effing care if that sign is degrading. Watching my Chiefs get pounded by the Chargers is degrading. Hell, this team has degraded me for the last several seasons!
Maybe they should stop playing like a bunch of pansies and earn their paychecks.
by SupremeChief on Nov 6, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa
I remember hearing you say a while back you’d give Haley 2 years and Pioli 3 years to get their shit together.
I completely agree with everything you say, but firing Haley will put this team back again to square one.
Unless Leslie Frazier will leave a SB bound team to come coach :)
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by craig in calgary on Nov 5, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Way I See It
Firing Haley is about the only thing that’s going to save Pioli. I think Haley’s in so far over his head as a head coach that another season with him at the helm is going to destroy Pioli’s efforts to rebuild…even if he makes better decisions than this offseason.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put It This Way
If you’re a free agent looking for an NFL team to play for, and you’ve heard how Haley acts towards his players, how anxious are you going to be to play for a guy like that when he doesn’t win?
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dangle a few extra mil in front of them and they wont care
if you offered LJ another 20-30 mil he would praise KC and Haley. Its just a sign i say to myself but Haley even said they were LATE in getting them put up.
Prepare for defeats the rest of the year and the first pick in the draft….
by jrcnc on Nov 5, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Players Can Get Paid By Plenty Of Teams
We won’t get good players, because they’ll go play for teams coached by coaches they like and/or coaches who win before they’ll play for a coach they won’t like who doesn’t win. We’ll just end up paying top dollar for mediocrity or poor play…like we did under Peterson.
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Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of good players have said they like playing for Haley
It’s a fact.
by jmcgoblue on Nov 5, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how has haley treated his player's badly
no one is complaining except LJ and he deserved what he got.
by Leaf on Nov 5, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a funny subject.
Last year, we were PISSED at Herm constantly for NEVER taking chances. Now this year people are saying Haley is a bad coach and he HAS taken chances and the players cant execute. You can coach until your blue in the fact but if a guy cant execute because he doesnt have enough talent, hes not going to do it. You can only coach somebody to a certain extent.
We have zero offensive line capability. Our defense is the first year of a 3-4, and is missing a true playmaker. The DE’s are Rookie and Sophomore. They play the toughest position to transition to in the NFL. Its going to take time for them to really develop fully. Flowers is proving to be a good up and coming CB but we need atleast 1 safety whether its Berry/Mays or a safety in a different round or FA. We need atleast 2 new offensive linemen, likely 3.
I like some of the things that Haley has been doing. Everybody ridiculed him for going for it on 4th down on our own side of the field. I LIKED that call but the execution on the field was terrible.
I do have a bit of an issue with some of his playcalling but we dont want to be the Raiders. I just think its funny that there was alot of talk that was hopeful for 7-9 or 8-8. I was one of those people. But I also thought that it was going take a big impact from Dorsey and Jackson, that DJ and Tamba would be huge for us, and that Albert and Waters would continue to play well and Goff would help stabalize the right side of the line.
Unfortunately, that never happened. Dorsey has played better than last season but him and TJack both need atleast another 1- 2 seasons before they really become impact players. Tamba has looked good but hes still not a driving force in our defense. Our secondary seems to be a weakness after it was a strength heading into the offseason. Goff is terrible, Albert and Waters have struggled, Alberts been hurt, Waters has a nagging ankle injury. Not all of that is necessarily coaching. Its a new blocking scheme. Its a new 3-4 scheme.
Most of these guys have never played these schemes but right now in todays NFL these schemes are winning schemes. Denvers been doing zone blocking for years and we always wondered how they get 1000 yard backs so much. Teams are switching the 3-4’s to help stop the pass because more teams are airing it out. Haley is changing with the time and thats what its going to take to win.
I’m sorry for the long reply and its probably useless…I just think its way too early to call for Haleys head when theres a serious lack of talent. Tons of young potential..but he cant coach them to their peak in 1 season. Its going to take time..as much as you hate hearing that..its the truth and nothing more.
by Petey14 on Nov 5, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Agreed
and the more we drive it home in the comments the less pointless it is rec
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
Thanks for this. Couldn’t have said it better myself…
Also, I’m getting a bit frustrated with the negativity and the language on here. Seems that not long ago I read a post by someone about cleaning up the language on here. We know that you’re frustrated, dropping a few f-bombs on here doesn’t really help much.
Thanks Petey! You’re rec’d dude!
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
by Chief_Elmo on Nov 6, 2009 6:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Yes
I was willing to give him two years…until he quit at halftime, ran off Bernard Pollard, botched his handling of Larry Johnson, showed game management skills akin to Herms and started sniping at his players via anonymous signs.
He’s not mature enough to be an NFL head coach…and I doubt he’ll ever be able to develop the people skills to be successful at this level. Todd Haley is just a bad head coach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chances are he's right about the signs being in the works for awhile.
they don’t get made in a day.
by Leaf on Nov 5, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've been leanin' that way for a long time.
Does the latest really represent a tipping point, or are you just becoming more entrenched in a line of reasoning that began months ago?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Nov 5, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More Of A Final Straw
Basically Haley’s season has been a textbook on how not to run an NFL team and I’ve had it with the guy. Plus, his tenure just resembles that of too many other terrible coaches for me to think he’s going to magically figure it out. I think Haley is probably a guy who needed a few more years in a coordinator position (or perhaps as a college HC stint) before he’s ready to be an NFL head coach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UCrawford
Since you don’t like Haley, who would be your ideal rookie coach? Looking around the league, the only one who’s had any success this season has been McDaniels…and let’s be honest, that’s basically because his D-Coordinator has been working miracles.
by jmcgoblue on Nov 5, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Leslie Frazier
He’s actually been a head coach before (in college) and he’s had more experience as a coordinator and position coach than Haley.
Frankly, I think he should have been our hire.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
You know maybe if he had a good team, good talent, good players around him he would win more than just one game. Dam, I mean give him more the 7 dam games to make himself a coach. Give him time you can’t judge a coach on 7 games, regardless of any circumstances, it’s not his fault he got a team that doesn’t have talent.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Nov 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not another rant....
Succopesque isn’t it
by chrisclark_dfw on Nov 5, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What about a sign that contained a picture of a naked guy? Could they film that?
Consistency is only a value if you are not a screw up.
by schraggyj on Nov 5, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is up...
with the hatred? You prejudge all the time UCrawford based on your initial impressions of coach Haley. We are on the outside looking in. All we get to see are press conferences and any negative shit that gets leaked. I think you are making too many assumptions. We are on the outside looking in. Bilichick doesn’t have the greatest people skills or handle the press w/ grace as you know. The play calling deserves criticism, but stamping as a bust of a head coach after 7 games isn’t right. I guess Jim Zorn was a genius last year when he went like 6-2 in the first half of the season. I’m just saying, lets let this story play out before we automatically know how its going to end.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with him micromanaging?
he’s the head coach; should he just let everyone else do everything for him? If you want it done right, do it yourself.
I’m not so sure he’s a jerk, i just think he’s tuff, which this team probably needs. And he doesn’t quite at halftime, he want’s to win, now and in the future
by E.C. on Nov 5, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To Answer
what’s wrong with him micromanaging?
Nothing as long as you can get the plays in on time, can do three full-time jobs without dropping off in quality in any of them, and can get your players to buy in and win.
Unfortunately Haley can’t do any of these things.
he’s the head coach; should he just let everyone else do everything for him?
You mean like have an offensive coordinator to do the offensive coordinator job and a QB coach to do the QB coach job? Yes…he should be having other people do those jobs. It’s called “delegation”. It’s what good coaches do. Good coaches like Parcells and Belichick.
Coaches like Norv Turner and Scott Linehan try to do it all themselves…because they’re too fucking insecure to give up power, which is why coaches who don’t delegate usually lose.
And he doesn’t quite at halftime
I saw the Philly game. He quits at halftime.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To answer
he doesn’t do anything well right now, but i think he eventually will, it takes time; the players also have to execute.
I don’t have a problem with him as OC, a lot of other coaches do it just fine so it’s not impossible. I do however agree with you that there’s no reason what-so-ever he should be the QB coach too, in fact, he shouldn’t be.
Yes I know he continued to run it at half time in Philly and yes I know it pissed everyone off, but he was just to get the run game going, he didn’t wanna finish that game with like 10yrds rushing. And cassel was gettin killed in the first half, so is he supposed to take the “throw it the rest of the game because we’re down down” plan so they can completely tee off on him?
by E.C. on Nov 5, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would be happier if we couldnt field a team
because they all got hurt playing 100% not trying to “preserve” anyone. Face it folks our team is garbage, hell Topps and Fleer stopped sending representatives to Arrowhead to take pictures of the “players” because even they know they have no place in the NFL and dont want to waste their time!
by jrcnc on Nov 5, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Can See Your Point, But
he doesn’t do anything well right now, but i think he eventually will
You’re not supposed to learn from scratch on the head coaching job in the NFL. You’re supposed to be close to ready for it by learning while you’re a coordinator (or position coach, or college coach). Coaches who don’t do anything well rarely improve because once you’ve developed a reputation for incompetence players tune you out. Especially when you add really crappy people skills to the mix.
There’s nothing wrong with a head coach being abrasive, per se, but there’s a limit. At some point the coach has to instill the players with a belief that he knows what he’s doing. But these signs aren’t sending that message…they’re saying “Shut up and obey me, plus it’s your fault anyway”. That’s a sign that there’s a lot more bitching going on than just Larry Johnson (especially since the sign mentioned groups).
Yes I know he continued to run it at half time in Philly and yes I know it pissed everyone off, but he was just to get the run game going, he didn’t wanna finish that game with like 10yrds rushing.
I don’t care if he’s got -10 yards rushing…you play to win the game (not meant as a Herm reference). His goal should have been to put points on the board, first, second and last. Not pad the rushing stats. He ran out the clock to get the game over with…he quit. That’s completely unacceptable for any head coach. It’s gutless and it’s an embarassment. And players don’t bust their ass for a coach who gives up at halftime. They coast through seasons on coaches like that.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tennessee gave up at New England
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can do three full-time jobs without dropping off in quality in any of them, and can get your players to buy in and win.
i don’t think there’s been enough time to decide that yet.
I saw the Philly game. He quits at halftime.
i saw the philly game too. he does’t quit at halftime. there are a million and one reason why he would have done what he did and not all of them evolve quitting at halftime.
by Leaf on Nov 5, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly
there are a million and one reason why he would have done what he did and not all of them evolve quitting at halftime.
But most of them do, and Haley’s never given one that didn’t. He quit and treated the game like an exhibition down by less than 3 TDs at halftime. That’s unacceptable.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's never given one that does either
since haley specifically said he didn’t quit, why should i believe otherwise. there’s no proof that he did or didn’t so i’ll take his word for now.
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
by Leaf on Nov 5, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
some people are man enough to admit when they make mistakes
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
by Leaf on Nov 6, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ucrawford throwing dooown right now love the fire.
heres my two cents all though I cannot argue with you about the ass hole factor . Haley is a doushe and does demand a lot from his players on and off the field. I like the new attitude. with our team. He is trying to merge the team together . Its time for every player to take responsability for their action there preperation and to play as one on the field. Now im also just thinking about the situation he is in this guy didnt take on a pitt team like tomlin did he took over a team that was in shambles . That didnt have no leadership whats so ever . Unless you think waters is a leading vet , i dont. HERE IS MY STATEMENT AND IM STICKING TO IT. i DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE VINCE LOMBARDI , BILL COWER , JIMMY JOHNSON , OR EVEN DON SHULA THERE IS NO WAY THAT HALEY CAN TURN THIS SHIP AROUND WITH ONLY 7 GAMES IN HIS CAREER. NO WAY. give the guy a chance give him two years for all we know these last games we could win some games and go into the draft on a postive note. Have some hope.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Nov 5, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
So far this season, Haley won't talk about
Injuries. Conversations with players. And now signs? Somebody should ask him about the Bud Light Signs and the Sprint signs.
I’m also sure I’m leaving a bunch of things out.
Consistency is only a value if you are not a screw up.
by schraggyj on Nov 5, 2009 5:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is going to turn into Sign-Gate
You know your team is bad when the media is asking a bunch of questions about signs and the head coach is actually combative.
Consistency is only a value if you are not a screw up.
by schraggyj on Nov 5, 2009 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Had enough
I started out very supportive and am a huge and lifelong Chiefs fan but I am getting to the point where I have just about had it with this jerk. He reminds me of Don Rumsfeld. An arrogant and therefore ignorant, rude, know it all jerk. No free agents are going to want to come here and be treated like third graders or benched because Haley woke up on the wrong side of the bed. He is an outright embarrassment to our city.
by T.Fletch on Nov 5, 2009 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He is an outright embarrassment to our city.
Until he starts winning games. Then we’ll see how big of an embarrassment he is. Belichick = dick. Belichick also = winning coach. NE fans adore him. It’s all about results. If Haley can get this ship turned around (and I think he will) people won’t give a shit about his attitude.
by TheScootness on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
not even going to comment on this thread…
just crazy.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 5:59 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
to be clear...
I don’t want to comment on what you guys are discussing, I think you’re freaking out over nothing.
The sign is no big deal.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
it is to me
Haley said they put it up late! And tardiness is something i dont tolerate! Haley late to press conferances, moto signs put up late, whats next?
by jrcnc on Nov 5, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh...
I don’t care about tardiness either, I’m not a schoolteacher.
I care about Haley and Pioli turning this franchise into a winner, eventually…
and I still believe they are on the right track to doing that… it’s just slower and more painful than we’d like.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
agreed stag
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't really worth arguing
Rookie coaches go through growing pains. He’s taken on too much and possibly got in over his head. He’s made some rookie decisions, as you would expect rookie coaches to do, but I don’t doubt he will learn from him.
I don’t think Parcells would have tolerated Haley not learning from his mistakes.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 5, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are ridiculous
It’s his job to coach. Bitching about a team slogan sign is fucking stupid. Why he should even have to answer a question about a sign on the wall in the locker room is beyond me.
One thing’s certain: all of you are looking for something…anything…to bitch about since their was no game this past weekend.
by HTrayne on Nov 5, 2009 6:12 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Nah, not all of us.
Just the usual suspects.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 5, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
The usual suspects must just like drama and think its more fun to bitch than be positive.
I accept that I have no say in who is the head coach and that 7 games is NOWHERE even resembling enough time to make a judgement on anyone. We started this year off with a crazy schedule and this has been pretty much what I had expected.
I’ve disagreed here and there but I always remember who I am. Or more importantly who I am not….someone who gets paid to work in the NFL.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Nov 5, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...
by Chief_Elmo on Nov 6, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What FA's will want to play for this guy?
Seriously, this guy will not make it in the NFL unless he grows up fast. If you were a prime free agent how much more would you have to receive in cash to play for a jerk? How much more cash would you need with the knowledge that Haley could bench you at any moment. I am just tired of it. First we had Carl treating agents like crap. He was proud he made John Taits agent cry and then sold out Jared Allen to the press over his dui’s. Now we have a coach who is like a petulant little kid throwing players under the bus (Mark Bradley-game one) and putting up stupid gimmicky signs and then bitching at the press. He is an embarrassment. Arrowhead is locked down like Fort Knox and past players such as Grunhard and Eric Hicks say they are treated like crap. Again, no free agent players will come here unless we pay them a bunch more money. These guys need to change and change fast.
by T.Fletch on Nov 5, 2009 6:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
again...
players have shown that they loved playing for the guy…
Pope and Long already came over from AZ to play for him.
Fitzgerald and Warner both had great things to say about him.
I think you’re overreacting, and it’s a huge jump from posting a sign that says “winners come together as a team and find ways to win”… (people seem to forget that part)
(damnit, I couldn’t help myself but to get into the discussion)
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could have a coach put up stupid gimmicry Offfenses
Say ArrowSpread
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haley= Tom Coughlin ?
this is in interesting post, for all of those people that want to “fire Haley”
People felt the same way about Coughlin in NY, he came in stubborn, and acting like a jerk/dictator… then they won the SB. Now, they are struggling again… look at this post
http://www.bigblueview.com/2009/11/5/1113264/can-tom-coughlin-rescue-another#storyjump
“Or, have the players begun not to hear the things Coughlin and his coaches are preaching? Even terrific coaches have season where they simply don’t get their message across to players.”
“It’s Not Coughlin.
C’mon, guys, gals, lets have a little acceptance here, Ed touched on it earlier: This defense just DOES NOT have the TALENT. "
“TC, it’s time to go!
Sorry BBV, but although I agree that TC has been there during times of crisis .. I don’t credit him for turning anything around. I don’t SEE a leader who’s willing to shake the tree and get things changed. He talks. A lot. But doesn’t say anything.”
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 6:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Big Difference
Coughlin was still a good coach who won games when he was an asshole. Todd Haley doesn’t win.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Todd Haley doesn’t win"
YET
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wishes Aren't Reality
I realize you want to believe he’s going to win, but the team’s performance doesn’t demonstrate that he’s got the first clue how to make this team competitive. He’s won one game against a team that was as badly coached as any in the NFL. And now he’s pointing fingers.
I don’t see this guy turning it around…he’s too busy blaming the rest of the world.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he hasn't blamed anyone...
All he’s said is “we have to get better”
Good Lord, he’s been the coach for 7 games… give the guy time to turn around a 2-14 team!!!!
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except That "We"
Means only the players. The sign made that quite clear.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh...
that’s probably one of 20 signs, with various quotes on them, it’s getting blown way out of proportion…
for the record,
I think the underlying message of that sign was “find ways to win as a team”…
not a damn thing wrong with that
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Has there ever been a locker room anywhere that didn’t have motivational or inspirational posters splattered everywhere? Its kind of the norm for most places.
by ttownmikey on Nov 5, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But 99% of them aren’t like this one. And most aren’t hung immediately after an incident like what transpired with Larry Johnson.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 5, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that the timing is bad but I really don’t think that it has anything to do with LJ. It is stating one of the things that they have been preaching since day one: winners are created when everyone pulls in the same direction & pulls for each other.
I think that it is being twisted because of the LJ incident & that is why Haley doesn’t feel that it should be discussed for the simple fact that everyone will read into it what they want to despite what anyone says to the contrary.
It would be interesting to know what all the other signs say but I’d bet anything that they are all team oriented & deal with overcoming obstacles together! Just my humble opinion of course!
by ttownmikey on Nov 5, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Twisted?
TT, if you had said that a sign with the arrowhead logo with the word “Team” superimposed over it, and the phrase “Winners assemble as a team and find ways to win,” then I’d be in complete agreement that it was being twisted into having significance with regard to LJ. You’re quite right; that part of the message has been a consistent theme for P&H.
However, IMO, the first part of the sign simply cannot be removed from the current context. If Pioli, Haley, Bob Moore (the Chiefs PR director) and Josh Looney (Moore’s employee) were unable to anticipate this reaction to it being placed in public view, then they’re very naive.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 5, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coughlin was 6-10 his first year with the Giants
A two win improvement over the previous year. If they threw him out after one season because he wasn’t winning enough, whose to say they would have went on to a 11-5 record the next year and then eventually the Super Bowl?
Now I am not saying Todd Haley is Tom Coughlin by any stretch (and keep in mind the 2003 Giants were a better team that the 2008 Chiefs), but what I am saying is give the guy one than one year before we start calling for his head.
And face it, Pioli is not firing Haley after one year. He’s a rookie GM too – if Haley fails this year Pioli isn’t going to start over AGAIN next year.
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Nov 5, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
*more than one year
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
by Jason Shore on Nov 5, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe give him time, I see all over you say get rid of him because he’s won one dam game. Give him some time. I know if it was Bill Cowher or some other great coach and they only won one game at this point you wouldn’t be asking for the coaches head. Point is, let’s see where he is after 2 or 3 years, maybe you’ll be right, maybe you’ll be wrong, but the thing is you cant just say he’s garbage after 7 games.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Nov 5, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher Had A Better Resume
And won in his first season.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher took over a 7-9 team and went 11-5.
Haley got a 2-14 team that had a mostly tough schedule the first half. At the start of the season If he went 11-5 it would be a miracle. If he goes 5-11 it would be pretty good.
by Jawookie on Nov 5, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning
Yes, and so has Haley. Give hime time to win more.
I’m sure that Cowher also had better talent and a better group of guys to get started with, a team that already had something going on.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Nov 5, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To say he doesn't win is just stupid
There isn’t a man alive who would have a winning record with this years Chiefs. You could pick out a coach, any of you, and start him off on the same timetable Haley has had and he would have won MAYBE 1 more game (oakland). The Chiefs were and still are a terrible football team and that won’t change halfway through the first season.
And if you meant he doesn’t win literally? Well he has. He has 1 win for what its worth.
He is here for at least 2 seasons, get used to it.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not That He Doesn't Win
My problem with him is that he’s more interested in obedience than winning.
And I don’t give a damn about the man’s ego…winning is the only thing that matters in an NFL head coach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
obedience can be a coaching style..
he definitely keeps his players reigned in, if they get mouthy they are out, etc.
I don’t see whats wrong with that. I really don’t think its all about his ego. He wants these players to learn and hes trying to teach the only way he knows how.
This isn’t grade school, its a little harder to get through to a fully developed adult than a 10 year old.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Demanding Obedience Over Winning Isn't A Style
It’s just egocentrism on the part of the coach.
This isn’t grade school, its a little harder to get through to a fully developed adult than a 10 year old.
And that’s why adult players don’t respond as well to being treated like 10 year olds, like Haley often seems to treat them.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i knew you were going to go there lol
Alright well I’ll concede there even though i don’t see it that way.
In the end, I don’t agree with what Haley is doing here with the media in this story, and a few of his decisions have been questionable.
But when somebody is already calling for a coaches firing after only half a season? That makes 0 sense to me. Hell I’ll give anybody 2 seasons. You just CAN’T KNOW about someones coaching ability over 7 games or even an entire season. I still don’t know if Josh McDaniels is a good coach. You have to wait and see how they handle an entire offseason and an entire playing season to really know what they are capable of.
But fans will be fans, and I am sure there are those who will hop right on that bandwagon and continue to ride the “Fire Haley Now” train until he is either gone or has a winning season.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If He Has A Winning Season
Then I’ll be off the bandwagon…that’s why it’s a bandwagon, after all. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Obedience over winning?
That isn’t how I perceive it. I see it as obedience along with winning.
I do agree that it isn’t a style but it is a necessity. As the head coach he is the leader of the team and as such all others under him should be following his lead and orders or find employment elsewhere. This team lost all aspects of discipline during Herm’s reign. It began to give the appearance as if it was the patients running the asylum. Also, to have a new system for the offense and defense you cannot have dissidents undermining the implementation. So in our case, obedience is needed to establish the system for the offense and defense, to regain the needed competitive edge as a player by being in condition, to instill a winners mentality and last but not least, to get the patients of the asylum back under control of the staff.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 7, 2009 2:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No it isn't
10 year olds can see right through bullshit :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok well im not calling any particular person stupid so i apologize if thats the way it seems
I disagree with this particular sentiment and think its ridiculous anyone is calling for the head of a coach who has only coached half of a season (a very tough half at that).
So you aren’t stupid, just wrong.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagreement Is Fine
And I understand why some might feel my opinion is hasty on this. But it’s what I believe.
And I didn’t feel like you were calling me or anyone else stupid, so no worries.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Right 53
I am from NY and was at the giants/bears game when coughlin was called out by shockey after. To me it is about the right 53. Being in NY I saw a lot of the heat couglin was under, and he didn’t have the greatest run in the beginning. Things started to click when Shockey broke his leg and the team won the superbowl. Eli was able to work without having to make shockey happy. It was addition by subtraction, take out the cancer in the locker room, the guy who talked about coaches and other players. They were now a team and found a way to win. In Dallas, In Green Bay and of course, beat New England.
Haley was not hired to be a PR guy, but a head coach. I wish the media would stop trying to keep the drama and worry about the play on the field. 7 games is a short time. I am not 100% but I think Jimmy Johnson and company only won their first game when the were BUILDING the dynasty in dallas.
by Chief of NY on Nov 5, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
For the sake of argument, let’s forget the content of the sign, and whether it’s indicative of a locker room problem.
Haley’s comments today clearly show that he considers public discussion of the sign inappropriate. OK… that’s his call. The Chiefs are certainly entitled to keep their motivational signage just as private as what transpires in team meetings.
But if that’s the case…
1. Why post the damn thing where members of the media can see it?
and
2. Why in the hell did Josh Looney of the PR Department put it out on the Internet(s) for everybody to see?
I’m aware that many AP posters consider this sign no different than the myriad motivational signs displayed around NFL stadiums, parctice facilities and locker rooms. I don’t happen to agree. However… even if it is innocuous, this affair has been handled very badly. In this incident, the guys running the Chiefs were not on the same page, and that does not speak well for them.
What else is the right hand doing that the left hand knows nothing about?
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Media see everything in this day and age.
He may be pissed but there is no reason to go off on the media like that. He has to know they will see it… he is just mad he didn’t think about the media when he wanted it made.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps so
But nonetheless, it’s part of his job description to understand these things, and to anticipate them. And he screwed up.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 5, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree he doesnt need to act like its a big deal
i didn’t think it was a big deal till he decided to completely blow it out of proportion.
Now its a big deal because he gave the media a story. They played the LJ thing off fine but its obvious some frustration over the entire thing is starting to come out.
Every time he says something like that he feeds the monster.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LJ gave the media a big story too....
So all is fair in love and war
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every time he says something like that he feeds the monster.
And he should know better. NFL franchises can’t afford head coaches who make media mistakes.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is the Nfl and Players assoc doing in being involved in a Chiefs player situation?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to talk civil...which means it's hard to talk about Haley right now
without being rude about him.
by krayfish on Nov 5, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's not so much as rude my friend,
UC hold no qualms about his disdain for haley yet it doesn’t come across as a over the line. learn from the master. he has plenty so references material on this site,
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
by Leaf on Nov 5, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so he can call him a micro managing jerk?? I didn't call him a single name.
I was just venting. He is saying that I somehow insulted someone on AP. I had not read a single comment at that point. I was strictly saying I can’t believe “here we go again”.
Another failed coach. Another losing season. Re read it. I wasn’t replying to anyone’s comment on here what so ever. I am not UC. I don’t need to learn from anyone. I’m ME!!
I don’t call Haley names. And for the last time…I WASN’T referring to anyone’s comments as I HAD NOT even read a single one when I posted my comment. In fact right after I hit post on my comment I read UC’s comment first and smiled and was thinkin’ “there’s my boy telling the truth, tellin’ it like it truly is”. I wasn’t mad about anything or anyone on AP what so ever at all.
by krayfish on Nov 5, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Krayfish it's allright
just opinions and please read before you step in :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't need to read before I step in..
does the first person to post a comment read the other comments first?? Nope. Because there aren’t any. He’s commenting on the post. I commented on the post. Not the other posters. I don’t have to follow some stupid rule about the order I can comment in. This isn’t Nazi Germany. I can comment without reading. What’s that got to do with anything?
by krayfish on Nov 5, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because it is like stepping into the middle of a conversation
you have no context on what the discussion is currently about.
On AP you know the thread leads many ways and sometimes a Warning :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It Was A Misunderstanding
And sometimes those happen.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UC...
why was I warned?
"It’s a new dawn in Kansas City. Waters, the rest of the players, and the media had better get a grasp of it, and fast. The old Chiefs are indeed dead." - Nick Athan Warpaint Illustrated
by MansGame on Nov 5, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For The "Whiners" Remark
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i cant call anyone a whiner?
It seems like you are warning people who are disagreeing with you
"It’s a new dawn in Kansas City. Waters, the rest of the players, and the media had better get a grasp of it, and fast. The old Chiefs are indeed dead." - Nick Athan Warpaint Illustrated
by MansGame on Nov 5, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let it go
tommorrow diff thread :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
naw i didnt get warned
and me and UC have complete opposite opinions on this topic… not gonna comment on whether it was deserved or not, im sure he has a much better feel for the rules than i
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not On This Site
Not to other posters, per AP’s community rules.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and i didnt use any names
"It’s a new dawn in Kansas City. Waters, the rest of the players, and the media had better get a grasp of it, and fast. The old Chiefs are indeed dead." - Nick Athan Warpaint Illustrated
by MansGame on Nov 5, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We Don't Put Up With The "Whiners" Stuff
Attacks on the site in general or specific individuals are treated the same.
It was just a heads-up…not a ban.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt make an attack on the site....
or any individuals.
I’m kind of taking it personally because, A. It wasn’t worth “warning” me over. and B. I’ve never been warned before, and I’ve seen a lot worse shit on this site fly.
What gives?
"It’s a new dawn in Kansas City. Waters, the rest of the players, and the media had better get a grasp of it, and fast. The old Chiefs are indeed dead." - Nick Athan Warpaint Illustrated
by MansGame on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What Gives Is
If you want to keep posting here, avoid calling anyone in specific or in general “whiners”.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously guys do you not read the signs.

we don’t take all this negativity here :p
UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
by Leaf on Nov 5, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the funny part is
that at least half of that sign is Positive…
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 5, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that i think about it its kind of sad that...
We discuss these signs more than how we discuss actually playing football games.
I guess this is what happens when you lose?
Something is always wrong in the front office because if there wasn’t the Chiefs wouldn’t suck this bad?
I just have to believe we are moving in the right direction. After Herm and King Carl I can’t take any more front office troubles. So I am going to reserve judgment until the end of next season on overall coaching/managing. If there is no improvement, then I’ll talk about pulling the plug.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, It Is The Bye Week
And there’s not a lot of positive news to focus on. Plus, I do believe that the sign thing is significant.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yah maybe it is
But remember that people are so different. Its easy to bag on somebody because they rub you the wrong way, and I know Haley rubs a LOT of people the wrong way. But I don’t think that that fact alone means he can’t be a good coach.
Every new coach needs a couple seasons to get comfortable and make a difference.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they let it out so LJ would see it.
Then maybe they could get him to stay home instead of standing around in street duds.
by idahochieffan on Nov 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
mans game please stop...
thisn’t a gang up on UC ok? I am just taken back a bit. It wasn’t a very friendly warning. Not the kind I would expect from a friend of mine on AP who should know me a little bit on here by now.
by krayfish on Nov 5, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Didn't Mean It To Come Off As Unfriendly, Kray
And I certainly didn’t mean to piss you off more. My apologies.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we dont' call each other whiners because that's attacking the poster
not commenting on the post. No one likes being called names.
by krayfish on Nov 5, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bye Week Loss..
Our last loss was horrible and then we went into a bye week, then all this crap with LJ jumped off and passions were inflammed even more….this mirrors exactly what happens in the locker room of a losing team. Some players bicker with each other while others take issue with the management. We need collectively take a deep breath and understand what’s going on. All this negativity is infecting our dialogue and we are losing sight of why we come here, most of us are Chiefs fans and we are here to discuss our team. We all have different perspectives on what is best for the team but this level of free-flowing anger/frustration is damaging and prevents logical and civil discussion.
by ill_spec on Nov 5, 2009 7:26 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I'm off to play Chiefs versus Raiders on Madden...cuz that's real ok? lol
have a good night all. goodnight AP
by krayfish on Nov 5, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I'm Down With That
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Wish I Had My X-Box So I Could Play Madden
It’s back in Arizona while I’m here in Colorado.
I need to get back home so I can post a Chiefs win, even if it’s only imaginary.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate 1-6
Really really do..
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On That I Think We Can All Agree
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to show that I was a Haley fan
Here was a comment from a post of mine a couple months ago on ten things to like about the Chiefs.
“4. Todd Haley. He might be a bit of a prick but who cares? He and our GM demand perfection and football knowledge. What is wrong with that? As Adam Teicher said, this is the best camp he has seen in years. According to Adam, under Herm there was no sense of urgency in camp. This year, players know they better be ready every play. There is no coasting under Coach Haley. Benching Bowe was a great message. He is basically saying if you just want to earn a check and get stats, go play for the Bengals. If you want to play the game right and win championships here is what we are doing in Kansas City. I like his schemes on both sides of the ball. He also has the confidence to hire great assistants, Pendergrast, Gibbs, even the now fired Gailey, the OL coach etc. We had such weak assistants under Herm. Too often in the past, we either played defense (Marty), offense (Coach Vermeil) or neither (Herm). Coach Haley will build both sides of the ball. He also understands what Herm never seemed to- if they do not know what you are going to do, it gives you an advantage. His Dad, one of the greatest scouts in the history of the game (70s Steelers +) offers the same pedigree as GM Pioli. These guys are football breathers through and through.”
I am just starting to wonder now and this sign thing kind of set me off. I am not seeing much imagination on offense and I see a coach who is paranoid and has lost control of his team. I was kind of sick of Herm as a “players” coach and was ready for more discipline but Haley just seems so petty and todays NFL players have 32 chocies and I am concerned that we will be on the bottom of the list come free agent time. I hope that I am wrong and he turns out well. It is just hard to see.
by T.Fletch on Nov 5, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe there are things going on in the locker room / practice field that we don’t know about..
maybe their are segments of the team that have been blaming others for the losses.
i’m an optimistic and don’t see a reason to jump on the fire haley bandwagon. next year, we would have a new coach come in that would want to give rid of players again to fit their particular style. it would be year 1 of rebuilding once again.
by Kirk7 on Nov 5, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe an option
If we get rid of haley Eric Manginin could be a good option. Lord knows he is a hands off coach who allows his asssitants to provide input and players to be players.
by MarkBoise on Nov 5, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its ok...Haley is just a stop-gap
He will be the O-coordinator next year when Pioli hires Bill Cowher as our HC…..and Crennel as our DC
by KCCheeze on Nov 5, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What about Gunther?
Maybe he could lead the charge to resign Trezelle Jenkins to secure the O-line and bring Eric Warfield out of jail, I mean retirement
by MarkBoise on Nov 5, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anybody know
of a situation where that happened – that a HC was demoted to a coordinator position?
Bueller? Bueller?
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haley s in over hs head
In my opnion haley has bitten off more than he can chew yes his 9 and 7 arizona cardnials team made the superbowl …but lets remember the cowboys were a mess…. the seahawks had no hassleback…. the vikings had no QB… and the eagles did not have the weapons they have now with maclin and mccoy… So maybe he should have kept his cordinator and maybe we should of thought about why they made the super bowl in the first place and jake delhomme threw five picks..
by raysmay on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fan in Boise
Iget internet coverage of the cheifs here but not much else. I am originally form the KC area and am wondering what the community at large thoughts are on Haley. Say or Go or is he the resident patzy until Pioli cna get at Cowher. Feedback Please.
by MarkBoise on Nov 5, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would say the Poll today answers that
last I saw 60% for 40% against.
We still have 9 games could go either way
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 5, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
like i said
he will move to OC when we get Cowher next yr…and Crennel will be our DC
by KCCheeze on Nov 5, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is not a big deal...at all...
And Haley will not be going anywhere…regardless who is right about his coaching potential.
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by woodman212 on Nov 5, 2009 11:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yup well said
hes here for 2 years min.
if there is improvement it could be 3.
After that it depends on if hes making strides towards the playoffs. The fans will largely decide after year 3.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 6, 2009 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL im new here but
If u dont get a lil upset then about us loosing then to me ur not a real fan i love haley, but people like UC have a diff opinion its kool all in all we are CHIEFS and when we get to the winning it will end the drama
by 67401erk on Nov 6, 2009 8:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey
did n e one see the post honering the joe drowning its awsome makes me remeber when we had rbs with a real heart un like LJ, but its really great
by 67401erk on Nov 6, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i question the authenticity of the photo
that is the sign? i don’t believe it…. it’s pretty silly. i don’t know how some of you are so fired up about it? it looks seriously photoshoped.
Sackoff (McIntosh,Goff) like Brangelina.
by DaChefs on Nov 6, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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