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Chiefs Have Three WRs Near the Top in Dropped Passes

Dwayne Bowe can't hang onto a pass from Matt Cassel. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

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Dwayne Bowe can't hang onto a pass from Matt Cassel. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Player Targets Rec. Yds. Avg. TD Drops
Terrell Owens, Buffalo 50 23 281 12.2 1 9
Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City 43 23 301 13.1 4 7
Mario Manningham, NY Giants 52 28 439 15.7 4 6
Santonio Holmes, Pittsburgh 55 30 497 16.6 1 6
Derrick Mason, Baltimore 52 30 421 14.0 4 5
Bryant Johnson, Detroit 46 18 241 13.4 1 5
Louis Murphy, Oakland 47 16 232 14.5 1 5
Ted Ginn Jr., Miami 40 18 211 11.7 1 5
Bobby Wade, Kansas City 37 20 226 11.3 2 5
Chris Chambers, Kansas City 31 9 122 13.6 1 5

Table comes via ESPN Stats and Information

Okay, okay, Chris Chambers hasn't played a game yet for the Kansas City Chiefs.  However, he's been targeted 31 times and dropped five of them.  That's actually nearly the exact same drop-per-target rate as Dwayne Bowe.

Numbers one and two on this list are familiar having topped the top five list last season as well.

The reason this is a little surprising for the Chiefs is because Todd Haley had been a receiver specialist in his time in the league.  He's gotten some pretty good production out of receivers in his other stops (except Chicago, where receivers go to die).

The Chiefs have also placed an emphasis on focus, attitude and concentration under the Haley regime. This caused Bowe to miss some reps in the offseason and some time in the preseason.  Haley has said as recently as this week that he believes Bowe is coming along at a rate that pleases him.

With Haley's penchant for coaching receivers, and the focus on concentration and doing the little things right, how in the heck do the Chiefs have so many drops? 

I'll let you all hash that out in the comments.  I think it could range from talent to coaching style to quarterbacking to scheme to....well, there a lot of possibilities.

Give it to Bowe, though.  On this top ten list, he's tied for first in the category that matters - touchdowns.

(Thanks to WesternChief for the link)

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Leaving Chambers Aside (Because He Hasn't Played A Game For Us)

I sure am glad that Todd Haley’s preaching of fundamentals (usually done through sniping remarks and benchings) has had such a great effect on Dwayne Bowe’s performance. Really top-notch coaching job, Mr. Nicklaus.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 8:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i always get a kick out of people

when they jump to the assumption that a player can’t catch a pass due to coaching. catching a ball is a physical skill and therefore physical mistakes will be made. coaching can help and judging by some of d bowe’s toughest catches this year, i’d say it has but at some point you have to put some accountability on the player, not the coach

Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman

by kcguy on Nov 5, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh I Do

I’m just pointing out that one of the selling points on Haley was the stellar job he supposedly did with receivers and the discipline he’d instill and that despite all his sniping at Bowe on the sidelines and benching during preseason Bowe’s performance this year has been about the same as last year.

I don’t blame Haley for Bowe’s drops…I’m just pointing out that Haley hasn’t demonstrated a magical WR coaching ability that all too many seem to think he has.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why isnt cassel being blamed?

bowe has only “dropped” about 3 passes. the other ones are just bad passes from cassel, who has been completely innaccurate. bowe has saved a bad throw from cassel wayyyy more than his 7 drops

by EyePod on Nov 5, 2009 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

why isnt cassel being blamed?

bowe has only “dropped” about 3 passes. the other ones are just bad passes from cassel, who has been completely innaccurate. bowe has saved a bad throw from cassel wayyyy more than his 7 drops

by EyePod on Nov 5, 2009 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

because drops are catchable passes

not erroneous throws.

This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!

by IISaiNtII on Nov 5, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

You’d be talking about “targets”, not “drops” in regards to the kind of throws Bowe is getting. Drops are entirely on the WR.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bowe's problem is not his hands.

It is his focus. He makes an all world catch than drops and easy one. That is coachable.

by saskwatch on Nov 5, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Give me a break

Blaming Haley for drops? God God Almighty. The man is a top flight receivers coach who is now a head coach. To hang this on Haley is ludicrous. We have a top flight O line coach. Blame him for the sacks. Come on.

by ChiefConcern on Nov 5, 2009 8:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Is he really a top-flight receivers coach, or has it just been a case of him having top-flight receivers to work with already?

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.

by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody could coach Fitzgerald and Bouldin and Breaston...

…and Herm could coach Leggette, he went from good to trash, yeah I blame Haley.

by FrankPitts on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haley got more out of those three than anyone else has

and Leggett was never all that good. He had a couple big plays last year but as I recall, he was beaten his share of times too. The other thing is Haley isn’t the wide receivers coach here. He’s certainly responsible for them but he isn’t their position coach so you’re probably comparing apples to oranges

Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman

by kcguy on Nov 5, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Leggett is an average player right now

and he was last year.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 5, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it also cracks me up when people say stuff like "anyone could coach those guys. their awesome"

so i guess tony dungy wasn’t a good coach because he had lots of talent
so i guess chuck knoll wasn’t a good coach because he had too many hall of famers
bill belichick sucks because anyone can win with tom brady
etc, etc, etc

coaching always looks better when you have tons of talent. that may be a no shit statement but people forget it all the time

Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman

by kcguy on Nov 5, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

*they're awesome"

Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman

by kcguy on Nov 5, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, yes.

I’m pretty sure that even I could win in the NFL as a coach with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning running the offense for me and Mike Vrabel or Bob Sanders out there on defense.

I’m not saying that Dungy and Bellichick aren’t good — or even great — coaches. They are. But, the players that they have on the field for them certainly make their jobs easier. And, while Bellichick’s ego would likely never allow him to say as much, I’m sure Dungy already has.

by JacinB on Nov 5, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.

by bringbacktheglory on Nov 5, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

16% of his targets result in drops so far this season

on 157 targets last season, he dropped 16… a 10% drop rate.

With TOny G gone, I suspect he’ll have more targets, and more drops this season.

This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!

by IISaiNtII on Nov 5, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone seen Haley catch a ball?

I think it is more true that the act of catching is 90% hand eye coordination.

I would like to have seen the opposite end of this stat. That is fewest drops as well as most catches.

If the player with fewest drops, let’s say 2 for arguments sake, has had only 10 throws his way then I think Bowe looks better. The odds are that the more throws your way the more drops there will be.

For players with most catches it would not surprise me that it is some possession receiver catching 3 and 5 yard dinks and dunks.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 5, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

And actually

scottbchief had the first fanshot up about this yesterday

This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!

by IISaiNtII on Nov 5, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

err scottbwalters, rather

This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!

by IISaiNtII on Nov 5, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

our WR coach

Is a lifelong NFL fullback. That makes no sense at all. Why not put dedric ward back to the position. Having anderson as WR coach is dumb and it has to effect our guys.
Catching the ball is on the WR but the coach is supposed to teach technique to help solve the dropsies. Anderson can’t help with WR techniques. Come on Haley, just pick up another duty and coach the WR yourself.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 5, 2009 9:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

why can't he help with teach the technique?

dick lebeau played cornerback in the nfl but does a pretty good job teaching technique to linebackers, d line, etc. it doesn’t matter where you played or even if you played so long as you understand the technique needed to succeed. the coach who was a “lifelong” wr wasn’t cutting it as a coach so he was demoted.

Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman

by kcguy on Nov 5, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he just needs one of those mouthpieces Chucky was ranting about

on MNF that the Saints use to get better everything… (this is me rolling my eyes)

This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!

by IISaiNtII on Nov 5, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

COME ON

D Bowe was playing football loooong before Haley became coach…Its Bowe, not Haley!…Its a concentration problem and thats why Haley was in his ass so much….He has a problem of wanting to turn and run before he secures the catch…. will also say that he would probably have at least 10 more catches but Cassel has overthrown or underthrown or threw behind him several times….some of them would have been huge plays too…

But, as everyone knows, the o line hardly ever give the QB enough time to let a play develop and this can play a role in dropped balls too. If your running a route and the QB has to get rid of the ball faster than expected, the reciever is thrown off his timing and the ball is not where he expects it to be. But, as an NFL reciever, if the ball hits you in the hands youre supposed to catch it.

by KCinAZ on Nov 5, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am still hopeful but the truth is,

the Chiefs need work on almost every part of the team. the blame can’t be put on just one part.

Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.

by bringbacktheglory on Nov 5, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You can blame the head coach for everything...

if you want too. Its convenient isn’t it? Of course those drops will weigh in on how well Haley is doing to a point, just like if Ryan Succop misses a field goal or if Legget misses another tackle or the entire team wins 4 games.

Aside from that, saying that any receiver dropping the ball is the head coaches fault is kind of ludicrous. What could he do? Bench the guy? Oh wait I think he tried that… Hmmm… Well he could bring every half dead receiver that hits free agency and try and create some competition… Wait I think he tries out every receiver that his played a down in his life already!

Well whats this guy supposed to do about drops again!?

Tell me cause I really want to know. So far the only thing hes done wrong with the receivers is keep Terrence Copper around. But then again, when you have the guys the Chiefs have, even Terrence starts looking good after awhile.

You think Bowe is blaming his coach he’s dropping balls? “Coach I can’t believe you didn’t teach me to catch that ball.” This is the NFL, you are supposed to be able to catch the ball when you get here. If you don’t you won’t get drafted. Sure there are quirks and some things that are teachable, but most of that technique isn’t going to magically make you catch the ball. It is just willpower and focus. Focus on the catch before you run, focus on the catch not the hit. Bobby Wade has drops because he isn’t as used to running crossing routes and getting hit running the middle of the field (in my opinion). Those guys need to be magical and fearless. Bowe is Bowe. Either he will get better or he won’t. Maybe drops will always be a part of his game (god I hope not). In the end you can blame whoever you want, but the ball didn’t just hit Todd Haley in the hands.

Start blaming the guy who drops the ball, trust me he is blaming himself and only himself just like you and I do when a ball hits us in the hands and falls to the ground.

Sorry for the length.

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 5, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Erratic

I think the drops are just a much the receiver’s fault as the erratic play off the rest of the offense.

If this team could manage to field a five to six decent series per game instead of going three and out or trying to keep the QB upright..we’d probably see some more consistency from the WRs.

Offenses aren’t designed for your QB to be running for his life one second after he receives the ball. It’s the WRs responsibility to help his QB. He’s got to break off his route and adjust to the pressures around him as well as try to concentrate on where the marker is, sidelines, opponents, etc.

Bowe is better than we give him credit for here. He’s not going to be an All-Star on a team that can’t field a decent offensive series. Randy Moss is an All-Star WR who found no success in Oakland. Same logic applies here. Blame Bowe all you want..but his drops aren’t going to improve until this offense improves. That is Haley’s job.

by Knocknheads on Nov 5, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

and thats very hard to do..

when you have had one draft, ane mini camp and less than half a season to do it!… We missed out on a lot of player simply because nobody wants to come to a losing team. Every player,agent,and football fan in general knew that the chiefs would not be good this yr. I can blame Haley for his play calling, and maybe biting off more than he can chew by taking over the OC position, but blaming him for the talent that he inherited,or lack of, is not his fault. In fact, this might be one of the biggest rebuilding jobs in NFL history. He has one BIG NAME player. THATS IT…LJ is done, Cassel right now is still considered a one hit wonder, and the rest of the potentially talented players we have are still young and could end up busts…..Dorsey,Jackson,Albert.

by KCinAZ on Nov 5, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

UGHGHGHGH

this is disgusting. ughh.

Would ya like a free NANAA!

by Jazzy Megalodon on Nov 5, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs


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