Chiefs Sign at Arrowhead Sends Loud and Clear Message
by Joel Thorman on Nov 4, 2009 3:16 PM CST
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This sign was installed during the bye week and comes to us courtesy of Josh Looney of KCChiefs.com.
Could the message to Larry Johnson be any louder?
I know this sign is the same message that has been pushed throughout the Todd Haley/Scott Pioli era but it holds even more weight now. And it's interesting to note that this photo came from the Chiefs.
Was this a coincidence that this is the sign that will greet LJ when he returns to the complex on November 9th?
(Thanks to NJ Chiefs Fan for the link)
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nice break but I didnt get any either when I broke it around 1230 in the richardson post
but when its all said and done
love the message they are sending…gotta try something.
by SDChief on Nov 4, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Josh Looney broke the story, you just raced to try and make a fanpost about it.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Nov 4, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
See Data Differently.
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by Justin Bopp on Nov 4, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
the last story you brok they gave you love and you still bitched about it.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow is right
waaaa
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Nov 4, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it really mean that much...?
It feels like those people who post “FIRST!!!”
by worc on Nov 4, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I think it means, and why it scares me
It smacks of desperation from a coaching staff that may be losing its team. Not addressing the team like men, and instead leaving passive aggressive notes. This is not a good sign, and not a good way to lead.
by just a guy on Nov 5, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Passive aggression is not the kind of aggression that wins ball games. Do you think that the other team’s ball carrier is going to declare himself down by contact because he thinks that our linebacking core secretly disrespects him?
by Tadpui on Nov 5, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Effin A. Made my afternoon.
I'm officially on the 'Draft Eric Berry' train.
Haley-Crennel 2010.
by scottbwalters on Nov 4, 2009 3:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I am speechless.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The last time I was speechless over something I saw
I took a photo of it
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's great RDO!! cool shit..are they yours?
by krayfish on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The dog is Rocky – known around here as the DogCat – and the cat is Luke… brother of Leia. For some reason, the kittens adopted Rocky as their own soon after we let him anywhere close to them. We often find them sleeping with him. But this particular incident was… uhhh… disturbing. :-)
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense
Obviously this was aimed at LJ…why be childish and go down to his level with this poster?
Why not cut the useless bum and be done with it already?
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 4, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now Craig....you stop right now before I post a sign about you
complaining about signs. Wait…..(-:
by krayfish on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You got served!
DANCE OFF!!!
I'd rather die on my feet than be living on my knees
by ArrowDread on Nov 4, 2009 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
call me stupid...
but, isn’t it possible that this sign isn’t JUST about LJ?
It’s more about FINDING WAYS TO WIN…
and not bitching.
could be directed at LOTS of guys… not specific to LJ
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 4, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
you maybe right LJ might just be the loudest
by Leaf on Nov 4, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
replace "loudest"
with most ignorant and you’ll be spot on.
Can I be your Batman?
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
most ignorant = asinine
you sir, have just created an oxymoron.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
isn’t “jumbo shrimp” an oxymoron, whereas most ignorant & asinine are interchangeable?
by ttownmikey on Nov 4, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damn
yeah… I’m we todd did.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sofa King We Todd Did?
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 4, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, plus
asinine doesn’t mean ignorant, so there’s that too…
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Nov 4, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol see i was just trying to be funny
no need to get all analytical about this.
by Leaf on Nov 4, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are looking for
redundant???
WE lost to WHO?
by Cowboynchrist on Nov 4, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
As I said sometime back losing and losers can be like a cancer.
And the sad thing is it can spread faster than winners can find ways to win. It can even “turn” any one of the “right 53”.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 4, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This wasn't directed at LJ
It was directed at the rest of the team. Let’s face it, LJ is clearly not in their future plans so they wouldn’t waste the energy and money to give him a ‘dig’ back. The point of this was for the rest of the team to realize that the behavior is unacceptable. They honestly don’t give a shit how LJ takes it IMHO.
by jboot1 on Nov 4, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactamundo
a message to ALL involved. you dont win football games by being divided. you’re a family and accountable to each other through good times and bad.
by be cee on Nov 4, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your not stupid stag but don't leave yourself open like that again ok? (-:
seriously though, I doubt it’s only about LJ either. Plus screw LJ. He deserves that.
by krayfish on Nov 4, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just Larry
Larry Johnson is not a small group. It takes a few players to form even one small group, so it obviously ISN’T just aimed at Johnson, who won’t even see it for a week.
by Offense of the 70s on Nov 4, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a way of moving on.
Remember the past, but look to the future.
Larry got his shots in, now Haley is returning the favor… and eye for an eye is what the bible says right? The golden rule?
I think it’s going to serve as a reminder that NO ONE is above the team, the organization. LJ got a $330,000 fine and a 1 game suspension for using a word that “normally” carries a $10,000 fine.
I’m with stags on this though. It’s not just aimed at Larry alone. Sometimes a good leader has to rally the troops against him in order to overcome adversity. If they need to hate the boss to win, then hate the boss.
Can I be your Batman?
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you are right
its not just at LJ, but without LJ’s actions I don’t think the poster goes up
A man who says he can, and a man who says he can't are both right. Which one are you?
by Bashman on Nov 4, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Quite the "Golden Rule"
But Man! That makes me laugh!
by Skrappy on Nov 4, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing wrong with running your organization how you see fit
They are making sure that everyone knows they want a team and not a bunch of spoiled little bitches who publicly bash the team and it’s management anytime they see fit.
I am glad they don’t want the players getting together like a bunch of high school kids and forming little bitch fit clubs. When that kind of shit starts happening it can screw your team for years. Lax management will do that to a club. See Edwards, Herm and Crennel, Romeo.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Right, Patrick
NFL management should, indeed, run their teams the way they see fit. And you’re absolutely right: when this stuff starts happening, it can be the death knell for a team.
Here’s what concerns me. Because the sign exists – and is written the way it is, referencing “groups” – I am concerned that it’s already happening. That LJ isn’t the trouble, but rather is a symptom of the trouble.
If there was a sign that simply said, “Winners assemble as a team and find ways to win,” I wouldn’t be nearly as concerned. But the first part of the sign gives me chills.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the small group
is twitter?
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it isn't happening
and they are just trying to avoid it. With all the attention with the LJ thing maybe they are trying to get everyone focused on winning and winning alone.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This looks like
a sign that Mike Vrable or someone trying to get everyone on the same page might put up rather than management trying to head off a mutiny!
by ttownmikey on Nov 4, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Say
That this is a sign that Todd Haley’s problems in the locker room run a hell of a lot deeper than we’ve been seeing.
If he’s got to dime his players out on a sign to get them to follow along, he’s already lost this team. Which isn’t really surprising to me, because frankly the man comes off as a colossal prick and when you combine that with only one win so far then that’s pretty much a recipe for a player revolt.
Small groups? That’s definitely about more than Larry Johnson.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 4, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we please...
just break off into small groups to discuss this?
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Nov 4, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
read the sign, loser <\code>
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Already happening.
Don’t you recognize it from the knife in your back from coworkers?
That’s typically what goes on in many work environemnts.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 4, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so are fans attempts to constantly jab at every move haley makes.
by SDChief on Nov 4, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
+100
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Hey guys, I read the sign, gosh now that's the way". F-ing idiots
by FrankPitts on Nov 4, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
All NFL teams have signs like this
it isn’t anything new.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then by all means, Patrick...
please post some photos of other signs that are anything like this one. I’d like to see them.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Motivational Signs in NFL Locker Rooms?
This isn’t a new tactic.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry... but this is not a motivational sign
in any way, shape or form.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This should be their motivational sign
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 4, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calling someone a "loser" is not motivational whatsoever
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 4, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who exactly are they calling a loser again?
I don’t recall seeing any names on that poster. Just generalizations.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
They are giving you the definition of a loser and a winner. They are encouraging the latter.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think its rediculous.
They are stooping down to LJ’s level by calling names when everyone in the lockerroom knows exactly what it is in reference to. That is shitty personel management.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 4, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They aren't PERSONALLY calling him out.
I like the sign, though. I don’t think it’s stupid or immature. I think it’s a reasonable way to get a point across…
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It also serves to make a statement of the ideology of the coach and GM.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 4, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true
it IS a bit on the negative side, and I was definitely surprised to see it, but is it any different than the message that has already been expressed from day one under the new “regime?” not really. GET GOOD OR GET GONE…that is what they are saying. Or, get on board with our philosophy, or beat it..
by be cee on Nov 4, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some examples (thought I couldn't find pics of all this)
Dallas: The messages posted in the locker room, instituted under Coach Bill Parcells include, “The tougher our standards, the deeper our commitment,” and “It doesn’t take athletic ability to hustle.”
Coach Dom Capers’ messages include “Understate, overacheive” and “Earn the right to be special.”
Indianapolis: Signs hanging at each end of the locker room say, “No excuses, no explanations.”
Jacksonville: When Tom Coughlin was head coach he had a “concentrationline” painted on the floor that the Jaguars crossed on the way to the field. Current head coach Jack Del Rio initially had a tree stump and axe in the locker room, as part of his “keep chopping wood” message. But they were removed in 2003, after Pro Bowl punter Chris Hanson seriously injured himself with the axe while venting. Now the motivation includes only signs, including one that says, “A player that makes the team great is more valuable than a great player.”
Kansas City: Painted in large letters on a locker room wall is “Share the Commitment.” Elsewhere at the practice facility is a simpler message: “Hit ’em in the mouth.”
Miami: In their game-day and practice locker rooms, the Dolphins have a prominent sign with head coach Nick Saban’s mantra: “Out of yourself and into the team.” …
San Francisco: As the 49ers rebuild, they pass a big sign as they enter their locker room that says “Faithful is believing” and shows the team’s Super Bowl trophies.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And...
not a single one of those says anything negative.
I repeat: this is not a motivational sign in any way, shape, or form.
This is a head jammed on a pike.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is negative about saying
don’t be a loser, be a winner. Here is how.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Out of yourself and into the team."
that’s just as “negative” as the loser/winner thing
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I agree with your analogy.
And players only respond to heads on pikes when the coach is someone that the majority of the players will rally around. So far Haley’s given them very little to rally around…it’s just abuse combined with losing.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 4, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
fear too can motivate. Such as, fear of losing your roster spot.
Too, how can you say that the coach isn’t someone to rally around? He did help to take his previous team he was on to the Superbowl.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 4, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody Fears A 1-6 Rookie Coach
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but.............
a 1-6 rookie coach that has the full support of his GM who has already proved that he’s fine with high draft picks getting benched and sending players packing when needed is a little bigger deal.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Nov 4, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody Fears A 1-6 Rookie GM Either
Especially one that apparently can’t scout for talent outside of his father-in-law’s and former boss’ farm system.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 5, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, Skrappy...
But he certainly is a rookie. He’s never done the job before. That is not to say that is isn’t well qualified for the promotion. Clearly he is. But he’s still a rookie.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 8, 2009 5:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for perspective
Though Coach Haley may be 1-6 at the moment, the first year record is not an appropriate measuring stick to know whether they will be good enough to be a successful coach.
Some first year records for successful NFL coaches:
B. Parcells 3–12–1
B. Walsh 2-14
T. Landry 0-11-1
C. Noll 1-13
D. Coryell 4-9-1
M. Ditka 3-6
C. Ewbank 3-9
J. Fisher 1-5
B. Grant 3-8-3
J. Johnson 1-15
M. Levy 4-12
D. Vermeil 4-10
As for fear, I do not believe that there is an attempt to instill fear. Discipline, which is fundamental and essential, is being put in place after sorely lacking it the previous years. Instead of fear I am in belief that it is nothing more than accountability and living up to your responsibilities as a professional.
There are some coaches on the above list that were hardliners so it is not like this is some new and drastic concept but after Herm’s term this team drastically needed it, even Ray Charles can see that.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 6, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're looking for the negative
If this doesn’t come in the wake of LJs incident, no one says nothing and its just another motivational sign in a locker room.
If “No excuses, no explanations” comes in the wake of a player publicly listing excuses as to why he doesn’t perform, then it too becomes a negative jab, yes?
I think you’re reaching a bit.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 4, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the sign is saying
It isn’t your job to complain. It isn’t your job to coach. It isn’t your job to lose. It is your job to be a part of a team and to win.
If you are complaining, forming small groups and removing yourself from the team, then you are not doing your job.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, Patrick.
I’m not going to argue with you about it. I’ve said what I think. If you can’t see how this message is different, then I can’t explain it to you.
John
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 4, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's seeing the message differently than you.
How are either of you wrong?
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS SPARTA FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa relax
I am debating you not arguing with you. I am pointing out why I think it is not negative.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to explain it below
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not negative?
The first word in the poster is “Loser”
Its VERY negative and alienating.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not hardly alienating at all. The GROWN ASS MEN ON OUR SQUAD (Vrabel, Cassel) know that this doesn't apply to them
by jk86 on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're a player and you're offended by this sign
The suggestion is that they’re pointing the finger at you. What you do with it from there is up to you.
by jk86 on Nov 4, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The fucking deal with it behind closed doors
Don’t put it out for the whole free world to see it.
Its rediculous.
I manage a bank and if someone fucked up and I posted a sign for all the customers and staff saying “Don’t loan money to bankrupt semi-drivers” after someone did that, that would make me a shitty manager. I should deal with the issue behind closed doors, not air my dirty laundry to the rest of the world. Its bush league.
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 4, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the entire NFL does it. Motivational, degrading, whatever you want to call it
These guys are making millions of dollars a year. The least they can do is STFU AND ACT LIKE GROWN ASS MEN. LJ wasn’t acting like a man, Brian Waters wasn’t acting like a man when he went “anonymous source” for Fatlock, and DJ wasn’t acting like a man when he swapped dumbells for chowing down on ding-dongs!
by jk86 on Nov 4, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and grown men don't get screamed at by a so-called leader/teacher/coach
who’s done nothing to prove he has an iota of ability to do the job he’s been handed (but has shown quite a number of times he’s NOT ready for it)
not that there’s actual proof that Pioli (or Haley) ever said that 22 guys off the street thing (not that I’d put it past either of them) … but if they did, that would be proof of how lame and idiotic and egotistical this pair of GM/HC is … you call the screaming and demotions and shipping out good talent being … what, being a MAN? I call BS on that!
I could care less where you work, but if my boss (or I as a teacher/leader) tried to “motivate” the way Haley has done (and with this stupid sign that screams “it’s YOUR fault not MINE”) I’d be fired in a heartbeat
yeah, degrading … from just about first day in, Pioli and (especially) Haley have been degrading of our players, and that is NOT how to lead or the way to earn respect
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 4, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder sometimes if I’m watching the same thing as others. Am I alone in noticing Haley has toned down the yelling the past few weeks?
I know we don’t see him on every single play but the first few games you could count on a shot of Haley screaming at someone at least once a game.
Now it seems like any time they cut to him, he’s got a relatively calm look on his face. The only times I can remember him yelling the past few games is at referees.
this stupid sign that screams "it’s YOUR fault not MINE"
When has Haley not said he needs to improve? I can’t remember reading a press conference where he hasn’t made some comment about needing to get better at some aspect of his job.
Yes he still mentions things the team needs to do better too, but that’s because they do need to be better at some things.
He’s not just saying “I’m a genius, these guys can’t do anything right.” He’s admitting he’s a part of the problem too.
by bh13 on Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So tell me upamtn
If you can’t be “buddy buddy” like Herm and you can’t get in players faces like Haley until you’ve won a bunch of games, then what do you do as a first time coach?
It’s great to say that you just treat guys like adults but there is a culture of losing that has become the norm around here. Somebody has to do something drastic to change that. How do you change a first round draft pick that has always done things the same way? Why would a first time coach asking him nicely work? Benching players and sending them packing is really the only tools a coach and GM have to force a player to do things their way.
It's a good thing Pioli and Haley aren't running AP or a lot of you guys would of been traded or cut for cast offs from the Pats Pulpit.
by KCporkchop on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be negative only to those
who view themselves as defined by the first portion of the poster.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 4, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no clue why people diss the sign
some of the best coaches in the nfl put up signs, quotes etc all over the place…get over it…and its a way of saying either you are a part of the solution or a part of the problem…period. if your are part of the problem, adios… when they can dump you and make it financially smart
by SDChief on Nov 4, 2009 3:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No need for the organization to be concerned
until the small groups have turned into one large group with pitch forks.
By the way that would be the fans starting to mass together.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 4, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of high school....
All we need now is quotes from famous presidents on the lockers…
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 4, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really
does the management think that 53 professionals don’t want to WIN? I mean..I get it. But you’re addressing adults..not kids.
I remember in the last administration when something went foul with players it was Herm or Carl’s fault. Who’s fault is it this year that the players aren’t doing well? Apparently it isn’t the management or the coaching.
by Knocknheads on Nov 4, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's a sign
Don’t look for hidden meanings because everyone that see’s it is going to read and take it a different way. Personally, I may make a copy to post in the kitchen of my restaurant, for my cooks. Is there a message, or am I putting up just to make you stop and think…“Is that sign directed at me?”
If your offended by a sign, then there is something you may need to address in yourself. I know my good workers will see it and go about with their work, hell they might even like it. The thing is a sign like this should only bother you if you think it is about you. If your sure it’s not about you than you hope the people causing the problems learn from it and get with the program.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Some of these players might be good friends with LJ, he is, after all, their teammate. So when it calls him a loser (and don’t be naive, the sign is very much directed, or inspired by, his actions) you don’t think they might get a little offended by it? And please don’t tell me what to think about this sign
by T-Rich on Nov 4, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The PFT comment section kills me
One poster said, “Losers assemble in large groups at Arrowhead”. Lol.
Welcome to Chiefs REBUILD - Version 2.0 /The Clark Hunt Edition
Chiefs will be lucky to go 4-12 in 2010
by KansasCityShuffle on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That hurts a bit =((
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are some people bitching about a motivational sign?
I don’t see how that isn’t a motivational sign. Why are fans looking to nitpick at EVERY SINGLE THING the chiefs brass does? How in any way, shape, or form is that sign a bad idea? Its just telling people that we (being the players) need to band together and become winners, not break of into small groups and create dissension by criticizing other players.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Make it a contest
Let’s see the AP come up with a motivational sign. I’m interested in what everyone comes up with.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Never thought I’d see that one
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vomits up lunch
Please help send my girlfriend to Broadway! Visit http://magonbroadway.blogspot.com/
by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Really?
We’re down to this? ….I hope this was /sarcasm
by Ryan in Nixa on Nov 4, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It would motivate me just sayin
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arrowhead Pride: Where we make fun of bandwagon Bolts fans while acting exactly like them.
by jk86 on Nov 4, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that directed at me?
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, the original poster
Thinking of motivational signs for AP, since no one here is motivated to do anything but whine like babies.
by jk86 on Nov 4, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Jeff Dunham reference, I guess you had to seeit or at least be thinking in that direction.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt respond to you
And yes, i am VERY aware of Achmed the dead terrorist
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Kill You!!!
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they should register a new domain: IdonthaveanymoreArrowheadPride.com
by jk86 on Nov 4, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That close to crossing a line
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From every place I have ever worked
“You can be replaced”
Even in the Navy, “Don’t worry about dieing, we have your replacement”
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
I’m a Chiefs fan Dammit and I’m damn proud of it!
by KC Fanatic on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think Sean Connery said it best
with the whole prom queen thing. but hey whatever works.
by Daytrip65 on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
for those of you who dont' remember the Rock
“Losers whine about ‘their best’… winners go home and f&%k the prom queen”
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
by stagdsp on Nov 4, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL thats awesome
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 4, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a proud Ohioan
That is bad ass.
Please help send my girlfriend to Broadway! Visit http://magonbroadway.blogspot.com/
by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If LJ takes it personally...
then maybe he has a guilty conscious
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Nov 4, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think that sign is fake as hell, it looks photoshopped
Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
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by teabaggingexper on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
im talking about the Main photo from the chiefs locker room
its not all about you!
Chiefs 2009 Predictions
Tamba Hali will have Double Digits sacks
The OL will be a strength by years end
Larry Johnson will have 1200+ yards
the team will win 7+ games
a receiver not named Bowe will emerge
.
by teabaggingexper on Nov 4, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone photshop us an offensive line?
Please help send my girlfriend to Broadway! Visit http://magonbroadway.blogspot.com/
by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty much the best photoshopper ever
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 4, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'ded
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 4, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 4, 2009 5:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 4, 2009 5:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"The road to Easy Street goes through the sewer."
--John Madden
by cpa913 on Nov 4, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I see that sign as management telling the team "we're 1-6 because YOU guys are losers ...
… but we in the GM and HC jobs are PERFECT"
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 4, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell anyone how to take that sign, but
Wow, I am amazed anyone would take it that way, and I am an anti-authoritarian.
by tebunker on Nov 4, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It All Depends On Who Put The Sign Up
If it was a player, then it’s the locker room self-policing. If it was the coach, however, then I think upamtn’s interpretation is about right.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 4, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see it as
the Chiefs are to be a team and if you are with us you will be a winner.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 4, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Sentiment Doesn't Mean A Lot
If it’s coming from a coach who quits at halftime.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 4, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It should read:
Losers get their ass handed to them by divisional opponents and give up at half time.
Winners win games.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 4, 2009 5:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That About Sums It Up
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 4, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not directed at LJ
but I am sure he is part of the reason in having it put up. It also sends the message that their eyes are not just on LJ when it comes to dissension.
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Nov 4, 2009 5:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Disappointed they didn't go with "Clear Eyes/Full Hearts/Can't Lose!"
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
by webby37 on Nov 4, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It's worth noting that the Pioli/Haley have completely removed or neutered all of the mouths or showoffs on this team.
1. I love(d) TonyG, but he had a huge mouth. He was really the face of the franchise and was, next to Waters, always the best source for an after-game interview. GONE.
2. I love(d) Waters, but he had a huge mouth. Have you heard a single peep from him this entire season? Did anybody ever corroborate that silly “22 men off the street” comment? Yeah I didn’t think so. Interesting that once that story dropped, Waters hasn’t made a public comment. (and did anybody ever mention the silly strategy about going public with a private matter with this regime? stupid!) NEUTERED.
3. I love(d) LJ, but he had lots of issues with keeping his mouth shut, especially when Vermeil was still in town. I think he will be neutered, benched, and finally removed from the team. GONE.
4. I love Bowe, but he had a little problem with running his mouth or doing these silly little celebrations when he did what he was supposed to do. “The Bowe show” indeed. That Bowe is gone. Now we see a modest, hard-working Bowe. Still a little ways to go as far as drops, but definitely improved. And definitely quiet. NEUTERED.
5. Who did I miss? Who else has been verbally neutered or removed from this team? Pollard? McBride? Who’s that silly ass that celebrated with a wild first down signal every time he made one?
Does anybody else see my point? Pioli/Haley don’t appear to be suffering any fools, nor letting anybody else speak for the team. They removed virtually every “leader” from his position, including Huard, Edwards, Gonzalez, Waters, and LJ. All of them were basically silent or gone until two Sunday nights ago and replaced with leaders of Haley/Pioli’s choice.
I don’t anticipate that LJ will be around for long—and I don’t anticipate any other players saying much of anything unless appointed to do so.
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by Justin Bopp on Nov 4, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cassel?
Who’s that silly ass that celebrated with a wild first down signal every time he made one?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 5, 2009 5:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s that silly ass that celebrated with a wild first down signal every time he made one?
sammie “ufl” parker
I had to….
by Cassel is a west coast pretty boy on Nov 4, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO...
Haley still has hasn’t done jack compared to Larry Johnson’s dad. You think that’s a nice poster? Larry Johnson’s dad’s posters had exclamation points, sparkles and curly ribbons, and they smelled like cinnamon-spiced apples. They also included photos of JoePa with the eyes cut out so that Larry Johnson’s dad could spy on the players from the hidden passageway behind the wall. Now, THAT’s good coaching. Todd Haley will never be the coach that Larry Johnson’s dad was.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Losers assemble in small groups and complain in 140 characters or less."
by kcbh on Nov 5, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
At least we know Haley isn't a pussy....
Passive agressive maybe….. but not a pussy, I understand the idea behind it… but it only serves to be a divisive tool when you need a united locker room….
by callmesir on Nov 6, 2009 12:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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