Report: Chiefs Unlikely to Pursue Charlie Weis

by Joel Thorman on Nov 30, 2009 10:42 PM CST in 2009 Kansas City Chiefs Campaign

After all the comments, articles and predictions from folks across the league, the consensus (if there is such a thing in speculation) was that ex-Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis would become the offensive coordinator for one of two teams without a coordinator currently in place: the Kansas City Chiefs or New England Patriots.

Despite all these reports and guesses and speculation, Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk cites a league source that tells him Weis reuniting with Pioli and Haley in Kansas City is unlikely and it all stems from some sort of conflict between Pioli, Weis and Bill Belichick.

Per Florio, there is some "disdain" between Weis and Pioli dating back to their time in New England. Both "wanted to be Belichick's favorite," a source told him.

Really?

If Weis can help the team, and I mean truly help the team, then a personality conflict shouldn't keep it from happening. The point of conflict (Belichick) is no longer around and, if we want to believe Haley, the head coach makes the call on hiring his coaching staff.

We've heard previous reports that Pioli essentially created the image of Belichick as a monster and not the laid-back, nice guy some league insiders know. And we've seen some paint Pioli as a "ego" driven executive. These are just reports, and we really can't confirm any of them, but if they're true then Florio's report makes sense at this point.

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Hmmm...

This makes sense I guess. As much respect as I have for Weis’ offensive mind, I think its just better to have everyone on the same page.

Also I think Belichick has done a pretty good job as painting himself as an asshole over the years.

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by averagegatsby on Nov 30, 2009 10:47 PM CST reply actions

I agree and he has taught others to act that way...

You think Eric Mangini learned to be an ass from Pioli? Watch his press conferences.. he tries to be Belichick

by golfbard on Nov 30, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions

Oh well

I am hoping we promote from within and make sure we have the right OC not just a highly rated OC.

by AirForceChief on Nov 30, 2009 10:49 PM CST reply actions

I don't...

Who on this staff is worthy of being an OC? The only one with experience is Carthon and he stunk in that role

by golfbard on Nov 30, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions

Anyone. . .

Who takes the job will just be Haley’s puppet anyway, why not one of our guys and let him grow into the roll

by AirForceChief on Nov 30, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions

I think

if they are going to hire an OC they will make a run at weis, if they dont then haley will just keep the duties

by cassel4prez on Nov 30, 2009 10:51 PM CST reply actions

I think we have to take the Connection/Old boy network into account from both perspectives

If assistant coaches and players are acquired because of personal connections to the Pioli/Haley past, then negative connections would play an equal part.

To assume that this regime, who have undoubtedly favored prior personal connections, would suddenly play the altruist in the face of potential negative personal preferences would negate their demonstrated and repeated tendencies.

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by DThomasReigns on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 PM CST reply actions

Or in other words,

If they strongly tend to hire people they know and like, then they would be equally unlikely to hire someone they know they don’t like…if it is true.

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by DThomasReigns on Nov 30, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions

We all need to get used to the idea

that if there’s something to get our hopes up about, like a coach or a player, this Chiefs regime ain’t gonna do it! :)

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by Buck'O on Nov 30, 2009 11:30 PM CST reply actions

Most everyone was pretty for getting Pioli

at the end of last season, and Clark went and got him. The everyone was pretty high on Haley after the superbowl and Pioli went and got him. Believe it or not, they got the two best candidates they could according to consensus around the league.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Dec 1, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions

fine

Make a run at Al Saunders, or does his retirement get in the way?

by mcclanahanman on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions

Ask Farve that question

He could give you an answer on that, well maybe not, but then again he might be able to, but probably not, but maybe…

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by oldchiefsfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions

Saunders is a consultant with the Ravens

last time I heard. Not sure if that’s contractual for more than the last offseason though.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Dec 1, 2009 7:14 AM CST up reply actions

I disagree on one part

you need a staff that gets along there cant be any of that extra stuff….I have had the luck of being around 6 different nfl teams, the lions,falcons, jaguars, raiders, rams all fit between 92-05…lions 92-93 falcons 93-95 rams 96-99 jaguars 99-02 raiders 98-00 and chiefs 01-05.

One thing Ive noticed from each staff, is the best team(rams) had the best staff chemistry…these guys were all friends, they all respected each other, there were very few problems among the staff. this is why when there was almost a mutany by the players, the staff was able to stay together….whereas the WORST staff was that gruden raiders staff, a lot of the staff disliked gruden greatly, thought it went to his head, they resented that. …the jags staff wasnt ready for coughlins tough stance, as most of them had worked WITH him and not for him. The Falcons staff had a head coach that was loved, but not respected as an authority figure to the NFL players(june jones, heck of a college coach ,heck of a guy, cant say that enough) and of course Wayne Fontes and his staff in Detroit, that was a mess, a complete mess…but I did get to see a lot of Barry in person, and thats why I see a charles comparison in some of their juking ability.

I like Weis as an OC, but if there really is bad blood between he and pioli, then its best to leave it at that and find someone else this offseason…I dont think hes the only one that can do the job, Im more focused on Romeo Crennel for the D…

by SDChief on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions

Thanks for the insight

Very good perspective and I agree, but it is nice to hear it from a position of experience.

by TXChiefan on Dec 1, 2009 7:00 AM CST up reply actions

sounds like you'd make a good "consultant" for the team, which means ...

it’ll never happen, and more’s the pity

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by upamtn on Dec 1, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions

There will be even more options at the end of the year, wont Kirk Ferenz(spelling) come up as a name

by SDChief on Dec 1, 2009 12:02 AM CST reply actions

No

by Black and Gold on Dec 1, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions

And Eric Mangini after Cleveland fires his ass...

by Randy5225 on Dec 1, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions

god no!

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!

by upamtn on Dec 1, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions

Okay

I honestly think we’re overspeculating here about motive. Pioli might be the biggest asshole on the planet, Belichick might be the second coming of Jesus and maybe Weis and Pioli both had absent fathers and created a sibling rivalry to see who daddy wanted more.

Or maybe Weis isn’t coming here because Haley doesn’t want him and maybe it’s got nothing to do with Pioli at all. As far as I’m concerned if Weis comes here, fine…if he doesn’t, fine. But either way it’s not really going to be that much of a factor into my personal evaluation of the job Pioli’s doing. His drafting and free agent record will count a heck of a lot more.

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by UCrawford on Dec 1, 2009 12:13 AM CST reply actions

+1

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by oldchiefsfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions

Haley seemed pretty high on Charlie Weis at today's PC

At least he seemed kind of excited to talk about him and smiled when he talked about sharing an office with Weis in New York.

by Nick Britt on Dec 1, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions

Florio has been wrong before...

….MANY times before.

I’m sorry I can’t give credibility to a guy that claimed Terry Bradshaw had died without trying to get any confirmation whatsoever. How he gets sources is beyond me.

It is also no joke that Florio hates the Patriots and he is notorious for coming up with conspiracy theories regarding the team and anyone that has been associated with Bill Belichick. Evidently, Belichick is a criminal mastermind / alien invader plotting to take over the universe.

by Nick Britt on Dec 1, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions

+1

I’ll wait for an NFL network staff to say it before I believe it. I take everything Florio says with a grain of salt.. He said that Chad Ocho Cinco to Oakland in exchange for Michael Bush was a “Done Deal” this past off season

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by 808NaNz808 on Dec 1, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions

I don't buy this story ,sounds an E Ryan Seacreast report

Haley has a good relationship with Weis. The only conflict I could see is Haley wanting someone a little less high profile that he could more easily dictate to unlike how it was with Gailey.

by FrankPitts on Dec 1, 2009 5:16 AM CST reply actions

My idea:

Clyde Christensen, currently the junior OC of Indianapolis. He’s been Tom Moore’s protege there for years, and I think he’d do a terrific job in KC. His offensive style is a little different from that of Haley’s, but I do think they’d make a terrific team if they could work together.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 1, 2009 6:53 AM CST reply actions

I'd like a new young and talented Offensive mind

This seems to be the place for giving new guys a shot right now. I don’t see bringing and OC in until the off season, but it might happen. I’d rather not have one of the old re-treads that has bounced around, and give the guy who is just waiting to make a name for himself. I’m sure Pioli can find a good new coach and then let Haley select the one that works well with his mind set.

by TXChiefan on Dec 1, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions

Those are some valid criteria, of course

My post was just a specific name, and I think he actually fits your criteria pretty well.

by burntorangehorn on Dec 1, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions

I like the Clyde Christiansen thing

by FrankPitts on Dec 1, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions

Check the Christiansen thing..

…he is the official Colt OC and they don’t do lateral moves…

by FrankPitts on Dec 1, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions

That's questionable

Christensen is subordinate to Moore, who is the OC. He is not really the offensive coordinator, but rather the assistant head coach/wide receivers coach.

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=coachbio&coach_id=20

by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions

i hope this story is wrong

I can see it being tough to take the playbook away from haley and someone else calling the plays I can tell you one thing we need charlie wies big time he can develop cassel and we would have two pretty good cordinators working side by side make it happen weis wise up join the chiefs two year plan would b really in effect

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by sexassassin on Dec 1, 2009 9:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions

Ah the media painting a controversy with his

Unnamed source… I sometimes wish this garbage was illegal. I would assume that, barring any kind of true hostility between the two, this would be a good match for Weis and us for that matter.

Good, younger qb that is truly trained to running Weis system and it allows for Weis to deal with pro caliber talent and not be trying to develop very young talent. Gives Haley a seasoned coach that has a fire for winning and will have something to prove after failing at ND (Hopefully).

But as much as I think it would be a good fit, I’m definitely not going to lose sleep if he finds another position.

Hey guys, Matt Cassel isn't the problem, being one dimensional is!

by IowaChiefFan on Dec 1, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions

PFT is the Inquirer of NFl "reporting"

Florio left ESPN.com because he didn’t like dealing with “editorial oversight”. I.E. he didn’t like having to verify reports or basically provide any proof for the things he was saying.

This is classic Florio. He floats some outrageous claim as the reason something will or won’t happen. Then when that result winds up matching up with the prediction, he gets to claim it’s because the outrageous claim was true.

He’s a sports based tabloid hack.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 1, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions

he didn’t like having to verify reports or basically provide any proof for the things he was saying.

LMAO, like anyone at ESPN actually does that

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Dec 1, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

And yet ESN was too strngent for Florio

When Scott Pioli was hired in KC, the motehrship chose 5 quotes about him to post. Of all the people SP has worked with over the years and all the quotes out there about the hiring, Weis’ quote was one of 5 chosen. Here’s what he said:

"Congratulations to Scott for obtaining the GM job at such a fine organization as the Kansas City Chiefs. Scott did a wonderful job for the Patriots organization and will be sorely missed. The Patriots loss is Kansas City’s gain."
- Charlie Weis
Notre Dame Head Coach

Wow. What distain Weis must have for SP. And SP obviously hates Weis enough to allow his quote to go up along with those from Parcells, Belichick and Kraft.

I agree that ESPN isn’t exactly the model for restrictive jounalism. They publish rumors and specuation all the time. And yet their low standards were too much for Florio to bear. He cited too much “editorial oversight” as his reason for leaving. His words…not mine.

I’ll give Florio credit. His lies and line of bullshit drives a ton of traffic to his site. Good for him. Doesn’t mean we have to fall for it.

I’m not saying we will hire Weis or even that we should. I’m just calling bullshit on this unsubstantiated report.

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by KCSatchmo on Dec 1, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions