King: Chiefs, Two Others on the Early List of Favorites to Land Weis
by Joel Thorman on Nov 29, 2009 9:10 PM CST
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PrintMore and more folks are coming out speculating on the future of who many of us presume will soon be former Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis.
Peter King reported on NBC's Football Night in America that there are three teams, including the Chiefs, landing on the early list of favorite to land Weis's services.
Makes sense because of the Scott Pioli/Todd Haley connection.
With Tom Brady's former backup, and familiar faces like Pioli and Haley, this is the place that might feel the most like New England (outside of New England). And it makes sense he would try to replicate his situation in New England since that is where he had the most success.
This is the most likely according to a lot of speculation. The Patriots don't have an offensive coordinator named right now and his familiarity with Bill Belichick and Tom Brady would make this a no-brainer if the other stuff could be worked out.
An interesting situation with head coach John Fox reportedly entering the hot seat.
The Panthers don't really have a quarterback of the future at this point so I'm not sure this would be a desired option for Weis.
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King also points to the Indianapolis Colts as a dark horse to land Weis. However, he says that seems unlikely since offensive coordinator Tom Moore is expected to stick around for 2010.
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we really need this guy
Cassel and charles would b good pieces to work with plus he would have some nice draft pix to work with and he is familiar with a pioli system get this guy now.
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by sexassassin on Nov 29, 2009 9:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
So we sign him for whatever, He still get Irish money anyway, after the settlement.
Would Haley call the shots, and overide the call if he wants, sure.
Might be a good hire. But I hope that Haley has some input or a serious screw-up for Pioli.
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He's Not Going To Settle Down On That Buyout
The Irish are likely going to pay him every penny that contract stipulates. I suspect that’s the main reason he’s not resigning even though he knows he’s getting shitcanned. Man’s a rotten head coach, but he’s not an idiot. :)
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huevos...I think that means "balls"
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by NJChieffan16 on Nov 29, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
No shit
the statement still doesn’t make sense.
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He's Saying
That he doesn’t know if a coach with Weis’ experience is going to be willing to put up with an overly abrasive boss that he doesn’t need to (considering that he can afford to be picky about his next job as a coordinator).
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It seems Haley has toned it down somewhat, at least on game day
I didn’t see him yelling much on the sideline (or at least the cameras never showed it) and there was obviously plenty to yell about this game.
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Nonetheless
If you’re a guy who has no real prospect of being a head coach in the future and you’ve got enough money that you don’t ever need to work another job do you go with:
a) a coach who’s won three Super Bowls and a Hall of Fame QB/WR (with another Pro Bowl level WR), and a team that’s got a respectable chance to win it all, or
b) Todd Haley and the Chiefs.
Weis’ career is more behind him and he’s probably never getting an HC job in the pros…I suspect he goes to work for the guy with the better chance of winning it all sooner.
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And
Going to the Patriots negates any perceived advantage that the Chiefs have in regards to scheme. The Patsies run the most similar scheme to Weis’.
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Do they still tho?
We run pretty much his exact scheme…they went to others since, did they not
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I Think They Run Similar Systems To What They Did When Weis Was There
They just lean more heavily on the pass now because their running backs haven’t been very good.
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WHAT?!
Laurence “Balsa Wood” Maroney has been great for them!
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If he's looking to rebuild his reputation though
KC would be a better position in that any successes or failures he has would have to be viewed in light of how bad our offense has been for the last few years. Success in KC would be viewed as a direct result of his coaching and would put some polish back on his resume much faster than success in NE considering the quality of the tools available with each team.
Just depends on whether he’s resigned to the idea of being a coordinator for the rest of his career or not. If not, his best chance at increasing his market value is by succeeding in KC imo.
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I Got What You Meant
Thought it was a valid point. Honestly, I see the odds being greater that Weis goes back to work with Belichick before he works with Haley. And since the Patriots don’t currently have an OC, I can’t help but wonder if Belichick was leaving the job open for Weis in case Notre Dame canned him this year.
Wouldn’t bother me a bit if we miss out on him either. Plenty of other fish in the sea…many of whom probably have a brighter future ahead of them than Weis.
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Gotcha
Still not totally sure how it would take “balls” to put up with a fairly abrasive HC like Haley but I understand your point now. I think it’d take more humility and some thick skin to than anything though and Weis probably has both. Coaching, and then losing, at ND requires that thick skin to put up with the immense pressure that comes with the territory. The humility would come from the fact that he’s done little other than lose big games for the last several years, he’s not going to be walking around with a sense of entitlement or arrogance that would make Haley’s typically abrasive style problematic.
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actually think it means eggs
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thats the correct word for the situation…
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It does mean eggs..
I remember in spanish class when I learned huevos as eggs also.
But ask any person who speaks spanish..huevos also means “balls”
My best friend is hispanic..I’ve heard him say it a number of times. I think huevos meaning balls is closer associated with a latin version of spanish rather than the spanish that is spoken in europe.
I Don't Really Think It's Presumption
The only reason he wasn’t fired two years ago was because of that 10 year contract the idiotic former AD handed him and the fact they were still paying Willingham his contract. I believe Willingham’s deal is now off the books so Weis is totally getting the axe. The Irish alums aren’t about to put up with a coach who loses twice to Navy at home…nor should they. With the recruiting classes he’s been getting, if he can’t win at Notre Dame by now then he has no business being a head coach anywhere.
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He's Done at ND
I remember his first news conference and he talked about how .500 isn’t good enough for Notre Dame. We will see if he is right.
Consistency is only a value if you are not a screw up.
He Also Talked About How His Teams Would Always Have A Tactical Advantage
Considering that he gets highly-ranked recruiting classes every year, there’s only one person to point the finger at for his team’s failures. The guy brings the talent in and then doesn’t get the job done with it.
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ND does not and will not get the recruits it once did simply because the academic standards are much higher then most of there competition. Plus why go to the midwest when you could live near the beach (hot coeds, great weather).
I Don't Really Buy That
Stanford’s got rigorous credentials as I recall and they recruit well. They’ve got tradition, they play in a big conference, they have some of the highest visibility of any program, and Weis had no problem drawing highly touted recruits there because his recruiting classes were all pretty decent (and some were excellent). The problem was the coaching…plain and simple. He could bring the talent in, he just couldn’t figure out how to use it to generate wins.
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well...
He had 2 Exceptional recruiting classes, and a bunch of good ones. Last year he had the 22nd ranked class and that was with the top defensive player in the country. This year is very Meh.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 29, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
This Year Is Pretty Meh
I suspect that the constant cloud of getting fired hanging over his head scared the prospects off…as did ND’s constant underachievement under Weis.
Players can smell a dead man walking as well as anyone. :)
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I Did See
That three of the top recruits who verbally committed to ND this year have put off their signing until they get word on Weis’ future. Which is why I suspect we’ll find out what his future is very shortly.
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Signing day isn't till February anyway.
If you Remember Weis actually took in a haul for his first class, considering he only had a month to do it.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 29, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
They'll Dump Him Sooner Rather Than Later, Though
It’s a bad thing for a program when the firing of a coach gets dragged out. Players decommit, assistant coaches get antsy about finding new work…there’s a lot hinging on that decision.
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All this is speculation....
But it makes a ton of sense. We run pretty much the same offense he always had. Wasn’t Haley his reciever’s coach in NY?
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wow this is far in advance
honestly it wouldnt matter if we had peyton manning reggie wayne and weis calling the plays…our OL cant block let alone snap the football.
Sad they can't snap the football.
The Line has hit new lows.
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by NJChieffan16 on Nov 29, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Weis is a master of the screen though
which would help the O-line. But since we dont have an O-coordinator in theory he could be brought in right away, since we wouldn’t have to worry about the guy holding the position… Since there isn’t a guy holding the position.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 29, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Experience
I think Pioli planned on having Haley surrounded by coordinators with HC exp. Crennel had the back surgery and I expect him to be our next DC. It makes sense to bring in Weis. Now lets hope he comes, I expect he will since Bill’s shadow is long and dark.
I have little doubt that Pioli wants him in here
And I doubt Haley is really against it…But it’s Weis’ choice. He may just prefer to go back to NE & look like a genious with Brady/Welker/Moss for a few more years.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Yup
And, as I noted above, the Pats don’t actually have an OC yet to replace McDaniels. Perhaps Belichick was leaving the position open for his old buddy.
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You can never go back
Why would CW want to go back to a program that, if it fails to win another championship, only adds to his loser resume after they accomplished it without him.
Go Todd Haley!
He'll never need to work again
Any job he takes will be for play money as he’s gonna leave the priests bent over with their robes over their ears dollar wise when he leaves ND.
Any coach that is only interested in $$$
isn’t going to bring an edge to a team. I want a coach that has something to prove.
Go Todd Haley!
I tend to agree
Though I can’t say Weis is only in it for the money…so it’s a bit unfair to characterize him that way. I think I’d prefer a bright young coordinator with something to prove, but I wouldn’t be upset if Weis were hired…I’m willing to give him a chance.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
If I'm CW right now, I'm feeling like I've got a whole hell of a lot to prove
Like, for instance, proving he’s still a good coach after the debacle of a career he’s had at ND.
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I don't know if Weis and Haley are compatible.
I mean honestly, Chan Gailey is a good OC and we fired him because his offense isn’t compatible with Haley’s offense… I don’t think Weis would be any different. I think Haley would rather coach a guy up to learn his offense like Wisenhunt did with him.
Probably So
And I’d be fine with that as long as a) he actually hires a coordinator, and b) it’s not Maurice Carthon.
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I don't think he has time to coach up anyone.
by idahochieffan on Nov 29, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
There's Always Time To Coach Someone Up
If the HC is willing to invest the effort. And based on Haley’s more recent comments, I suspect he realizes that having an OC is pretty essential to him being a good HC.
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Gailey's problem was an incompatibility in offensive schemes
Weis runs a VERY similar Offense to the one Haley uses.
They’ve worked together in the past and would probably be on the same page from day one. I’m not going to be upset if we don’t take a run at him but I think he’d be a great asset to Todd and our offense.
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ESPN insider is linking him to Buffalo too...
Since Buffalo tried to hire him once before.
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I Suspect He'll Avoid Buffalo
They’ve got questions at QB, WR, TE, and OL and they’ll likely be looking for a new head coach unless the current one impresses the hell out of everybody. Only area they’re stacked at is RB. Just kind of an ugly situation there.
Although, based on how questionably Marshawn Lynch fits into their future plans, I wonder what the odds would be on him getting traded? Most of his off-field problems were extremely overblown and he’d look really good running in a Chiefs uniform. He’s not only a power back, but also a top-notch pass-catcher out of the backfield and a solid pass-blocker. Bit bigger than Jamaal Charles too (no disrespect to Charles, who I think is good).
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Of a platoon backfield of Lynch/Charles…that’d be a real thunder and lightning combination.
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I want that Stanford Stud...
man that guy is a beast.
Buffalo is a long shot, but if he goes there, he has a good shot at getting Quinn from Cleveland, or drafting Clausen. I can definitely see Weis with one of those 2 QB’s.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 29, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Gerhart is a fucking beast
I’d much rather see him in a Chiefs uni than Marshawn Lynch.
Problem with Weis in Buffalo though is that QB is just one of many holes he’d have to find ways to fill before they’d have a reasonable shot at success. There are far fewer in KC and almost none in NE.
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Really?
I dont know for sure, Im inclined to agree with you, but I dont know enough about Buffalo to say one way or the other. Its easy to say that because it seems to us that KC is a few pieces away, but I would imagine the folks in Buffalo would say the opposite.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 29, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
I can see it now.......
Charlie with a BBQ sauce stain on the front of his Chiefs hoodie. The guy knows his Xs and Os, he just doesn’t have the ability to get those arms around the whole package. I live 4 miles from ND and he has done a lot of positive things around here.
Just couldn’t put up enough Wins.
Coaching at Notre Dame is much like flying, very unforgiving of any carelessness or neglect. (Imagine a small plane nestled in the limbs of a nice size oak tree) He would damn sure be handy around draft time. I have to believe he would be a better OC now than he was @ NE too.
by DFisr722 on Nov 29, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
KC would be like a vacation for him
He’s got a bellyfull of the media, the priests, and the rabid ND fans. 6-6 would get him free lunch in KC, poor bastard is liable to be shot at in So. Bend about now.
by DFisr722 on Nov 29, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
im fine with that possibility
I like the idea of putting vets at the coordinator positions. Take some stress off Haley. Çrennel and Weis would both come in with something to prove too. Win win situation. I wonder if Penderlaugh gets a free pass this season since we are “under construction”?
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by Mr J on Nov 29, 2009 10:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ultimately....
We can’t really pin all of this on Coaching. Let’s be completely honest with ourselves. This Chiefs team is not 3-4 players away from a superbowl. This team needs an offensive line that isn’t made of swiss cheese, A stronger corp of safeties, And more pass rush and run stopping ability through more solid linebackers and linemen. Do we have the beginnings of a good team, maybe even a great team? Yes. Do we have a team that will be contenders even next year? Realistically, no. Going to a point…Does Rudy Niswanger suck? As a starting center, yes. As a backup, no. Rudy will end up a career backup Center, and we should make drafting or signing competent O line help a priority in the offseason. Do we need a more solid coaching staff? Certainly. But can we truly say that the entire reason that we sucked today was because of coaching? Not at all. I for one am still all for giving Todd Haley his shot. He’s a brand new head coach and, considering what Germ “you play to lose the game” Edwards left him with, I don’t think any of us had any real high expectations out of this season. The fact that we won exactly one game more than last year, and the fact that the third win came against a very good team is a good glimpse into the future of the Kansas City Chiefs. Honestly, I feel like we’ll likely see Weis and Crenell in Kansas City as soon as January, Maybe sooner, depending on the playoff picture. I would further bet that some of the less visible coaching staff such as the O line coach gets changed as well. Give Haley his shot, let him and Pioli do what they are paid to do. Hell, I didn’t even hate on Edwards until he had gone so rapidly downhill after having time to implement his system.
by BetterRedThanDead on Nov 29, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree. i am a halley supporter. I like what he is doing. Besides he did find 22 guys off the street to win more than 2 games.
We need everything you said above and more. Herm left us with chicken shit. Worst head coach and personnel guy ever.
by NFL season ticket holder on Nov 29, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
We don't need that fatty
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Nov 29, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions
lets do this NOW
When can we hire Weis? Sooner the better. Get him and haley together as long as possible. Have some agreement on draft picks and offensive schemes. Not so sure what happens to def coordinator. But I hear haley brought wr coach dedric ward with him and then demoted him. So I don’t think haley would have a hard time moving on from penderlaugh
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by Mr J on Nov 29, 2009 11:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Just because Romeo is better doesn't mean its the right move.
Case in point, the Royals upgraded by trading for Betancourt to get rid of Pena, problem is Betancourt was the 2nd worst SS in all of baseball, but Pena was the worst.
I have a feeling hiring Crennel would just be rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 29, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Do you have some kind of crazy Royals notifier text message service...
Anytime I mention them you comment within minutes.
Im sorry I will go back to Trusting the Process © again.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 30, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Insert weis with crennel in the last sentence.
its time for someone to post the rankings of weis’ offenses to simmer all this talk and excitement down.
by MountainManMike on Nov 30, 2009 2:39 AM CST up reply actions
best fit for him and for us
He and our GM have one together, and we are in a shit creek without a paddle where he has been since he went back to college, how bad could his play calling be compared to what we got now, aaaah?
okay okay let me bring my two cents into this discussion.
well, it might only be one cent at this time of night but here we go.
i am not a fan of weis being brought in here. if u look at his rankings in the nfl, they r pretty weak imo. we can do better…but if they r set on bringing him in, we could bring him in as soon as he gets fired. with that, he could catch the last part of the season and start learning the way todd wants his O run…learn the playbook. stuff like that so that by the beginning of next season, he is ready to go. but again, i think we can do better than weis.
i personally am a fan of kubiak if/when he gets fired. i know he runs the zone blocking scheme down in houston and has done somewhat well with another former backup QB playing starter. now, i dont know how he would mesh with todd but it something at least looking into. sadly though, i think he will be reunited with shanny wherever he lands.
as for crennel, i say grab him. other than the super bowl run that came out of nowhere, pendy has done very little to warrant being a DC. his D’s have been pretty poor. Crennel’s on the other hand while being a DC have been pretty good if looking at points scored by the opposing team. i do question though how much of the was bill’s genius behind that but would be willing to give crennel a chance. he cant be worse than pendy. goodness, seems like we have heard that type of phrase before somewhere.
by MountainManMike on Nov 30, 2009 2:54 AM CST reply actions
Contract Clause
Part of the deal has to be that Lenny and Mitch can’t talk about Notre Dame football every single broadcast. If that’s not part of the deal, bring Weis aboard should be a non-starter.
Is Weis a better OC then Chan?
I think you could make the argument that – while Weis had success in New England. That may have been a credit to the talent that he had to work with. I think one could say that Chan has shown the ability as an OC to do far more with less.
This make s me think that the OC decision (if it happens) is going to boild down to working relations and not so much talent.
I have a feeling that the Chiefs will stay in house to get their OC. Maybe just promote Maurice Carthon. (Someone that Haley is already used to working with and building a weekly gameplan with.)
I know this loss to the Chargers has everyone frothing
for an OC like Weis. Let me point out it was NOT the scheme that caused four turnovers.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 30, 2009 9:02 AM CST reply actions
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