Glazer Talks Chiefs GM Scott Pioli, Head Coach Todd Haley
by Joel Thorman on Nov 26, 2009 12:43 PM CST
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PrintJay Glazer of FOX Sports talked with Mike Francesa on WFAN in New York. Glazer suggests that Pioli played a large role in creating Bill Belichick's image and that Todd Haley's job security should be revisited at the end of the season.
The segment was looking at all the head coaching positions that may or may not be available at the end of the season. Glazer doesn't suggest Haley will be let go but says it's a situation that should be monitored.
Glazer's entire exchange with Francesa is after the jump.
"I keep hearing rumblings over there with Pioli, same stuff behind the scenes.
"Everyone tries to make it like Bill Belichick's the mastermind up there in New England. It's not. It's Pioli. It's Pioli who permeated the entire image of Belichick as this monster up there.
"And you know Belichick, he's way more laid back in that right than people think. It's Pioli who gets people to think, 'Oh man if you don't have this done quickly coach is going to go nuts. It's Pioli who's saying, 'Oh man if you don't have this done coach is going to go crazy."
"I had one personnel guy tell me, 'Scotty's driving me nuts' because he'd come in there and say, 'Where is this?'
"[The personnel guy would] say, 'Well I thought I didn't have to have it in until Tuesday.' And Scotty would say, 'Oh man Bill is going to go crazy.'
"That guy comes flying into the office that day and says, 'Oh, Bill I'm so sorry' and Bill's like, 'What are you talking about? I don't need it until Tuesday.'
"So, Pioli likes to do that.
"When he went out to Kansas City he immediately made it like he wanted to keep a secret from everybody there and he made a place that's very un-enjoyable to go to work."
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eh ok
my take…Pioli is a good GM, we will see if hes great….Haley is young, and I would NEVER believe he would be let go before 2 full seasons…Id be…REALLY shocked…
Why would we even think this
The organization was trashed when these two took over. Most of the players we let go are now doing something other than playing football, or went from starter to 3-4 string guys. As good as some players may have been their attitude was destructive (weird we are 2-0 since LJ left) have we picked up bunch of guys and we are coaching them up. Next year we will get a good OC, if Chan wasn’t fitting in and things weren’t going right they had to do what was best for the Chiefs. Why would we quick go find a guy who was available as the season started, how many good OC are sitting at home and not in the NFL already? This will be a good .500 team next year and a .800 team in two years, the big question is when will we be a real contender for the SB?
All he is doing is...
Changing the mentality of the organization. It starts from the head down. He wants action and good results. If something isnt working right, change it. Thats why we have seen a revolving door for O- Linemen, recievers, ect. Keep making moves til you find something that works. It also lights a fire under peoples ass to be better. Its the same in any work place. If youre not sure you have job security, you bust your ass a little harder to make an impression. Haley is the first head coach hired by Pioli. There is going to be a lot of pride involved to prove to everybody that he made the right choice. As screwed up as this team was when he took over, there is no way he is looking at this as an unsuccessful yr. He has his coach in place, a solid QB, some good young players coming into there own, lots of cap space for next yr and a second draft with whats probably going to be at least a top 12 pick, and a few extra picks as well. There will be no question, that haley will the head coach next yr. Im sure we will see some new assistants and coordinators, but Haley is staying put. Way too early to even be discussing this.
by KCinAZ on Nov 26, 2009 1:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agree. I detest when these announcer and sport writers are always giving legs to these
rumors. Someone spectulates and then they add a comment or two and the story starts to build. I’m impressed with the way the players are relating to Haley. You could see it when they were jumping all over after the win. I think it was Cox that gave Haley a big hug along with several other players. Just don’t give legs to this crap or it will actually have an adverse effect.
Jay Glazer?
This guy probably hasn’t spent more than three days in KC his entire life. I think he is one of those moronic Fox Sports “personalities” that do more entertaining than reporting. He’s a joke. I don’t think this rumor has much truth to it. And all the Chiefs people I’ve talked to said that the environment around Arrowhead is MUCH better than the last few years.
Glazer is one of the best in the business, actually
by Joel Thorman on Nov 26, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
YUP
Glazer is awesome.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Nov 26, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Actually Glazer is one of the better sports writers.
But I don’t see Haley going anywhere. He is Pioli’s man.
glazer is money
His information is pretty spot on. I like when he was on nfl network bashing reporters who drop false info just to get responses. Classic
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Nov 26, 2009 3:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd love to see Haley go
But not just for the sake of moving in a new direction. It would have to be for someone I really wanted. Shannahan, Cowher, Jeff Fisher.
I don’t expect Haley to go, but it’s not like he’s been so good that we shouldn’t re-evaluate after the season. To blindly say Haley is still our guy is foolish IMO.
by Detroit Buckets on Nov 26, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions
That's crazy...
Teams in the NFL do that all the time, they snatch up some successful coach from another team and just assume he can re-create the same success with their team, and 90% of the time it never pans out.
Shanahan never did anything after Elway. Cowher was the “Dan Marino” of Head Coaches for his first 14-15 years. Fisher currently IS the “Dan Marino” of head coaches. Very few (5-6, maybe) coaches have taken two different franchises to a Super Bowl and none of them have ever won with both.
Sorry, I just get sick of hearing Cowher’s name being thrown around. He’s a great coach, but I’m not convinced that he’s the greatest person available.
Why not give Haley a chance for a few years. We MIGHT just have something here. You never know until you try.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
by jbj8609 on Nov 26, 2009 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i dont know i love me some haley on the sideline
Droppin f bombs but if bill cower want to coach the chiefs I’m sorry I ride that boat to the sunset tell haley to b the o cordinator. It would b far fetched but cower builds champs and is a hard nose coach and who is respected. I go cower if he wouldent mind having pioli helping him build.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Nov 26, 2009 3:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Correction...
Cowher built ONE chapionship team…(two if you want to count part of Tomlins team last year, but one under his watch).
I understand what you’re saying, and I think Cowher is a great coach and a class act. There’s just a general concencus out there that he’s like a holy Grail of available coaches, and I think it’s greatly exaggerated.
Great coach, but at the end of the day anyone who gets him, I think, will have paid too much.
I like the coaches that come out of nowhere and have worked their way to the top (ie tomlin).
If your goal is winning Super Bowls, then I can say with certainty that hiring someone who won one with a different team has so far worked 0% of the time.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
by jbj8609 on Nov 26, 2009 9:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really
What is it he has done that any of of them would have done different? Coaches have a prime, look at Joe Gibbs, Parcels, many had great runs, then when they come back it is never as good, they never get it all back to their prime so do we want a coach that was good in their prime to come in and do what, get a pretty good team together like Dick Vermeil? We as Chief fans for years have tried to get our own franchise quarterback not an old Joe Montana or Warren Moon, but a kid we can call our own, I am tired of a coach that was good somewhere else and now we want them. We have a chance at a fresh new coach, a young QB, a new GM that are on the up swing, that have put in that new attitude, I want the Chiefs to finally be able to be the first team mentioned when a coaches name is said not he coached for 3 other teams and is now the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.
by AirForceChief on Nov 26, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+11111
Everything I was trying to say, but said better.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
What is the point he is trying to make....
Seems like he has two unrelated ideas…
Everyone tries to make it like Bill Belichick’s the mastermind up there in New England. It’s not. It’s Pioli.
And
When he went out to Kansas City he immediately made it like he wanted to keep a secret from everybody there and he made a place that’s very un-enjoyable to go to work.
What’s the point?
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Glazer is saying
That the whole Patriot mystique of secretism and militant atmosphere is Pioli, not Bellichick.
While I think Pioli is wholeheartedly bought into that method and has brought it with him to KC, I don’t believe for a minute that he was the one driving it and not Bellichick.
Haley
He should be evaluated just like his players and held to the same harsh standards he has held his players to.
vajazz24
Didn't we all love it when the Chiefs hired Herm Edwards? Turns out that was the biggest joke in Chiefs history.
It took Bill Cowher 10 years to play and win a Super Bowl, Mike Shananan only went there on the coat tailes of one of the game’s greatest QBs in John Elway. it takes talented players to win and people that won’t accept less. Haley is the best Chiefs coach in 10 years. Haley has been accessible to the media everyday. Niether Pioli nor Haley are obligated to talk to the media except those times under league rules. I have to wonder when the last time Jay Glazer has seen a Chiefs game.
by NFL season ticket holder on Nov 26, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions
I hated it when they hired Herm.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Me too
Just took the wind right out of me.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Nov 26, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Me three.. I wasn't really all that excited when they hired Herm..
And remember, that whole deal was shaky to begin with of how he suddenly left the Jets, oh but he was going to get fired anyway.
Didn’t we have to give up a draft pick if I remember right? Or am I all confused with my memory.
Herm was a disaster as a HC. And I wasn’t a “hater”. The guy I was cheering for big time. Great guy and one whom I wanted to win. But just seemed to me he was over his head.
You play to win the game, but losing is acceptable. That seemed to be his mantra honestly.
Rowdy
Yeah, don't remember the exact details.
But something was passed to the Jets for Herm.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
No. Believe it or not, Herm wasn’t the biggest joke in Chiefs history, and he wasn’t the worst coach in football history. Ignorant to think that
Oh! OK, Now I see your straw man.
Ignorant is as ignorant does.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Nov 26, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
absolutely not
I hated hiring him (and giving up a draft pick to do it) because it was for entirely the wrong reasons. He was hired simply because he was one of Carl’s boys. No other reason.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Glazer is right on the money with this
I can’t speak to how any of the coaches view what’s going on at Arrowhead, but I can state with certainty that the office staff is extremely uncomfortable. Frankly, most of them don’t like Pioli much. Many people have had their roles change dramatically and they are all looking over their shoulders hoping the axe doesn’t fall.
I actually don’t think this is a bad thing. I have seen this management style be very effective on many occassions. You make people uncomfortable to see how they perform under pressure. You usually get a very good idea of what people are capable of…you learn their ceiling. The key to it is that you loosen up once giving your all becomes the norm. Pioli is very very smart. Based on how things evolved in NE, my guess is that this is how everyone in the organization is being treated. From the gals in the ticket office all the way up to Haley.
I would be shocked if Haley is fired after the season. But, I’d bet money that Scott does everything he can to make Haley feel like it’s possible if he doesn’t perform.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Nov 26, 2009 6:40 PM CST reply actions
Agreed
But I think Haley is doing all he can because that is his way.
Pioli can fire him but it won’t be because Haley was mailing in the effort.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 26, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
How much does Pioli run the office staff, though?
He’s essentially in charge of football operations. He’s basically over the coaching staff and scouting department. I would think more of the “office” staff (ticket sales, etc) falls under Denny Thum. My understanding is the Pioli runs anything related to Coach/Player personnel and Thum is over the day-to-day business operations.
Not saying you’re wrong. More wondering if I am.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
There are 2 big bosses. Pioli and Denny.
It’s like any other office. Just because you don’t directly report to someone doesn’t mean you don’t interact with them daily. From tehir perspective, hey is way up the food chain and can/will control their fate. Understand, this isn’t me speculating. I have a very direct line of info and large segments of the office staff do not like and/or are afraid of Pioli. Like I said above, I believe it’s a healthy fear. This is a proven effective leadership tactic.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Nov 27, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
This is crazy!
Your writing about another journalist’s thoughts! This is like Jason Whitlock saying we need to fire Haley. Nobody would care what he has to say, so relax guys.
In a way we're all amature journalists
If Pioli was the mastermind in New England Lucky us.
Ever since the 17-0 season NE has been showing Chinks in their armor.
If Haley’s ass is on the hot seat, big deal, all of our asses are on the hot seat every day, one good screw up and we’re fired. What makes him so special?
Pioli is an asshole according to his people? So what? I’ve worked for assholes before, it’s part of life.
by mcclanahanman on Nov 26, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Give up Baldock1
It’s like spiting in the wind. Some will never get it.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Nov 26, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions
Guess not...
I mean, sure we only won 2 games last year, but we have already won 3 and the soft part of the schedule is ahead of us. Not to mention the fact that the Chiefs still have to hire an OC. Hmmm, I wonder what the Chiefs offense would look like with Charlie Weis added in the mix….top it off with a couple FA OL.
It's funny how coaches become great...
When they seem to get that one player that makes the difference… Big ben, Mcnabb, Manning, Brady, and so on. Vince lombardi believed you win by working harder than the other guy. Haley seems willing to work, and to correct his mistakes. I haven’t cared for him since day one, but, I do see a coach that’s growing every day. We will know what we’ve got by the end of this season.
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