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Chiefs K Succop Getting Some Attention

The Kansas City Chiefs used the final pick in the 2009 NFL Draft on kicker Ryan Succop, out of South Carolina.  An odd pick, no doubt, but he's proved to be worth his mettle in a few games this season.

Last week, he had the honor of kicking his first game winning field goal as a pro.  After the game, he had quite a few reporters around him and, as usual, took it all in stride.

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"To be able to have an opportunity to win the game there at the end is certainly a blessing."

"To do it against the defending Super Bowl champions is a great feeling."

"You do dream of it."

USA Today has a nice profile on the Chiefs kicker dating back to a scouting report while he was in college.

Chiefs coach Todd Haley said of Succop, "I never wavered in my belief in him," and that he had the "right mentality."

The Chiefs released previous kicker Connor Barth before training camp, which was a highly examined decision.

While Barth appears to be off to an excellent start in Tampa Bay, I'm content with the decision the Chiefs made in keeping Succop.  He's shown a stronger leg.  Even though he's made only 2/5 over 50 yards, he gives the Chiefs a chance in those situations.

Plus, he was responsible for 12 points in the Redskins win and kicked the game winner against Pittsburgh.  Those are some timely makes.

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So far, this is the only draft pick Pioli can hang his hat on.

I hope some of the other members of this last draft class come through for us. Jackson will probably be good by next year but, those other picks raise some serious questions about Pioli’s scouting.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 25, 2009 8:37 AM CST reply actions  

magee has been

getting his named called more and more lately. doesn’t help that hes playing behind dorsey who has really stepped up this season. washington is still on the fence but he doesn’t get that much playing time either. brown has injured so we don’t know about him, and williams, lawrence, oconnell are projects but they were all late rounds so you can’t expect much from them. so when you add in jackson and succop that’s 1 awesome pick, 2 looking like they will be good to great down the line, and 5 question marks as only one of them plays and he not all that much. all in all i wouldn’t say it’s a great draft but it wasn’t bad that’s for sure. have to at least give it another year to see if some of the later rounders don’t pan out.

UCrawford will eventually calm down and realize that Haley isn't a bad coach.
Will embrace the Fire Haley Bandwagon if we lose to the raiders by more then a TD...
..But we aren't going to lose.
LJ will not land in Pittsburgh
The Chiefs will not be the number one pick in this years draft
The Chiefs first pick of the draft will NOT be a OL
Thinks UCrawford just needs a hug... offer is there when you are ready UC :p

by Leaf on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure you can hang Pioli's hat "entirely" on this class.

Scott Pioli was only in KC’s offices for a little over three months at draft time, and was working with Carl Peterson’s scouting department and administration. Most of our current group of administrators and scouts weren’t even on board yet. So a lot of the eval’s and player decisions were started before he even came on the scene.

The same thing happened in NE in 2000—-he relied on ex GM Bobby Grier’s old scouts for his first draft, then cleaned house afterward and from ‘01 on ran things his way. Not a whole lot of those 2000 players stuck around the NFL—but a lot of the ’01-’08 players have.

I’m not writing this draft class off, but I am suggesting that next year’s class will tell me a whole lot more about Pioli (and Haley’s) vision for this team.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 25, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but Pioli had all the info from his work in NE

He was scouting players all year, just not for the Chiefs. He was probably better prepared coming into the draft than anyone from the previous regime.

by Randy5225 on Nov 25, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Scouting players for the Patriots

probably doesn’t have much to do with filling the holes on the Chiefs roster while evaluating the players you had when you showed up.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Nov 25, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Took the words out of my mouth.

"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks." - 2.7* *Yes I know it was changed to 2.9 but f*ck the statisticians.

by Kristospherein on Nov 25, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I think so

then they were fired/replaced after the draft if i remember correctly. But before we can blame/credit the old staff or Piolis staff Id guess that Pioli was doing some serious scouting in NE and i would also guess that he didn’t just forgot all those players that he spent months scouting.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Nov 25, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes. That's what I recall too.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 25, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a combination

We retained some of the old staff and brought in some new guys. Then released the rest of teh old staff following the draft.

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Nov 25, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

Succop was apparently scouted by Steve Hoffman after we hired him to be our ST Coordinator. If I remember correctly, during the workout Succop credited him with making some change to his technique that made a huge difference. Hoffman loved his potential and the rest is history…

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Nov 25, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

speaking of...

Hoffman has done a great job with our ST, no?

"Gonna gallop all over the Chiefs. Cleat prints on the chests. Mud in the face masks." - 2.7* *Yes I know it was changed to 2.9 but f*ck the statisticians.

by Kristospherein on Nov 25, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Nov 25, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

that was all hoffman

getting Succop to KC was all Hoffman on a number of fronts. then once he had him hoffman built on ryan’s natural talent like he’s done for the past 20 years with rookies form here and there. dustin is just dustin. you can’t teach what he does. feagles said he’s never seen a leg like that. and he’s been around

by loadmonster on Dec 6, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes but, Haley still agreed to those picks.

I mean really, a backup D-lineman with our 3rd round pick? WTF????

by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

gotta remember

the roster needed (and still needs) DEPTH everywhere. Even if he drafted a total stud that produced immediately, what if he tore an ACL? Or what happens if Dorsey or Jackson gets hurt? A major key to any consistent, winning team is depth at ALL positions. Also, it’s this off-season that will be critical in assembling this roster. I think we’ll see players like Williams. Brown, Lawrence & O Connell play major roles next season……..big picture : )

by reedeasy on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

How do you know he's going to remain a backup?

If Dorsey plays lights-out and signs with some other team, we’ve got an in-house replacement. Or maybe something happens to Jackson (ACL? Shoulder?), and we’ve got a talented stand in.
Besides, how do you think depth is built? By drafting talent, and stockpiling it, and replacing the “dead wood” with fresh talent as time goes on.

No, a defensive lineman wasn’t what I expected last spring but in the long run I have no problem with the pick. I liked what I saw of McGee on Sunday and evidently, so did the coaches (judging from his PT).

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Pioli has said

that it’s his job to get the players that will work with the coach and be good for the team. So it’s not all on Haley, Pioli I’m sure has the final say-so on whoever gets taken at any spot at any time.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Nov 25, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I hereby decree that Succop is no longer Mr. Irrelevant

that title now passes to LJ

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Nov 25, 2009 8:59 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Mr Irrelevant

I wish they would quit with this Mr Irrelevant stuff. Back when the NFL had a 17 round draft, you could call the last pick Mr Irrelevant, but now teams sign undrafted players the next day. I just don’t like the distinction.

by TampaRoyal on Nov 25, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec.

I hereby decree that we no longer utter the words “Larry Johnson,” but use his either his AP-given titles (2.7, Mr. Irrelevant) or as Coach Haley called him, “the player.”

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

The “rec” was to Satchmo BTW. lol

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

woohoo

my 1st rec of the day!!

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Nov 25, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not that I don't realize we need depth.

It’s the fact that there were so many PRESSING needs at the time of the draft. We had actual holes in our roster that needed to be addressed. I know we got Colin Brown and MAYBE he will turn into a good player but, we needed interior O-linemen worse than anything and that 3rd round pick could have gotten us a very good Center or Guard.

If these guys from this class turn into good players, I will eat my words but, as of right now, the 2009 draft class doesn’t really look all that great to me…Especially after Herm had such a great 2008 draft. That IS the draft class that this team is being built around. Hopefully, Pioli will show his ability at being the master of the draft like we all thought when we hired him.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 25, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

I'd be VERY suprised

if there isn’t a probowl/bluechip interior lineman or 2 acquired via the draft / FA. Good pt about the 08 draft. Dorsey, Albert, Flowers are cornerstones, Carr is OK, Leggett needs to get healthy, Cottam & Richardson need to show me more.

Again I will shoot my tv if they dont either draft or acquire some seroius interior o line help, and safety help. I think we’ll see some more competition at LB, there will probably be a true NT brought in too. a lot of holes are at least getting patchworked together making this upcoming offseason crucial, but there won’t be quite so many areas of need.

by reedeasy on Nov 25, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

btw

nice rant on obviousman yesterday ; )

by reedeasy on Nov 25, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Its not that bad of a draft ...

we got ourselves a starting QB, a starting Kicker and a starting DE for years to come .. now if any of the remaining picks become part of the winning equation next year which I have the feeling will happen with Maggee and Lawrence .. then it would be a pretty good draft.

by OneChiefs on Nov 25, 2009 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

You are right about that...

It’s very easy to forget that that we did get Cassel and Vrabel for our 2nd pick. When I talk about the draft, I am usually just talking about the rookies out of college.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 25, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

Cant forget about the Cassel/Vrable trade

Ultimately we got three starters in the first 2 rounds. A second round pick for a young QB that has already proved himself and a very intellegent veteran LB that has been a leader and mentor for a young team, is a great deal. The Pats had to franchise tag Cassel as insurance in case Brady could not play. When the realized he was ok, they needed to unload that 16 mil dollar salary that they would have had to pay Cassel. If we used a first round pick on a QB, he is unproven,you pay him loads of money that might go to waste,and really, we didnt have a veteran QB on the team that he could learn from.
If you look around the league at ALL the teams with bad QB play, you will see how lucky the Chiefs were to get Cassel for a second round crap shoot pick.
I still think we should have drafted Curry instead of Jackson. Imagine him being mentored by Vrable. Nobody expected Jackson to go that high.But in all rookies defense, the first yr is a learning yr. Also, it takes a while to get the jitters out. Youre not playing against

by KCinAZ on Nov 25, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

Succop's Leg

I love watching kickoffs go six yards deep in the endzone…this kid has a stong leg. We have’nt had anyone who could kickoff like #6.

by redWIN on Nov 25, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

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