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Chargers Questions

I debated over even doing one of these this time around, seeing as how poorly I was received in Week 7.  I'll give it a shot, but again I'll stress that any out-of-context trash talk will be completely ignored.

A few points to start with....

  • Chiefs fans apparently never saw Chris Chambers before he came to the Chiefs.  You guys should know the reason he was cut by the Chargers.  He was absolutely terrible.  Not only did he drop everything that was thrown to him (his catch rate is still an abysmal 29% this season), but there was none of this "effort to get open" and "making plays after the catch".  What you guys are seeing is the "2nd half Chris Chambers" that the Chargers got in 2007 when they traded for him.  Just wait and see what happens next year when he no longer has something to prove.
  • Whether or not this is a different Chiefs team, I will often be referring to the Week 7 game.  For instance, the fact that the Chiefs beat the Steelers and the Chargers lost to the Steelers does not erase the 30 points the Chargers beat the Chiefs by in their last matchup.
  • I told you guys that Jamaal Charles needed to be the starter.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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What would you attribute LTs apparent resurgence to relativety too?

As for the Chiefs revival:

I think the game will be closer then expected (at least closer then the Denver game)…The Chiefs have found something or are finding that comfortable middle ground they’ve been searching for and the departure of some headaches seems to have done the Chiefs well as a whole.

Its not a different Chiefs team on paper but the mentality of the team seems to have taken a turn for the better after 2 consecutive wins.

Whether or not that translates into a winning effort against SD remains to be seen but I for one believe that with one game under their belt against the Bolts and a couple of wins to hang their hats on as proof of experience this week the Chiefs will be primed to put up a better showing then the week 7 travesty.

by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 6:14 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

A couple of things

1. Better blocking by the offensive line. All of a sudden Kris Dielman is playing like a Pro Bowler again.

2. He’s healthy and happy. There’s something to be said for that second part of it. Ever since he found out his wife is pregnant (they had trouble conceiving in the past), he’s been running with fire.

3. I know Chiefs fans may find it hard to believe, but Malcom Floyd is a much better deep-threat than Chris Chambers was when he was here. The defenses are stretched more than ever with Floyd as the starter and Naanee as the slot receiver.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Speculation at the beginning of the year is that this would be Merriman's last stint in SD...

Up until this point in the season he’s looked passable as a starter.

Do you think Merriman will be back in powder blue in 2010?

by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It looks like

no CBA, which means he will likely be with them at least through 2010 or the Chargers will get a first round tender; I could even see them franchising him after that depending on how he plays. It seems extremely remote he will ever be given a long term contract given the friction with AJ Smith.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 24, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

How has LTs renewed fire affected the playing time of Darren Sproles?

Starting off the season it appeared as if Sproles, the incumbent, was destined to take over full time and have LT be the change up man. Has that notion changed recently among the Bolts or is Sproles still the ‘other guy’ behind LT?

by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Sproles

has always been the other guy. Against the smaller defensive line of the Colts, he was able to pull it off in the playoffs. He wants to be the primary back and that’s why they had to franchise him to keep him. He is amazing in space, but is not a ‘between the tackles’ running back. Sproles is the return guy and a terrific weapon for screens, draws and the like, but he is too small to be the main running back. He also has just a touch of fumblitis. It’s sad, but I don’t see them keeping him next year at the franchise price tag, I think he goes FA after this season.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 24, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not as up to date with the roster on the SD side of things so...

Floyd may be a better deep threat but the Chiefs had been (up until the acquisition of Chambers) without a legitimate threat to stretch the field at all.

Bradley may have been that spark but he has poor field vision and makes mistakes at the most inopportune of times that have killed drives.

Bowe is an intermediate threat; a big/strong WR that does best within the 10-15 yard range where he can use his bulk to his advantage against most corners in the league.

Long/Wade are slot possession WRs that make their living in the 5-10 yard range able to take advantage of their shifty ability to make YAC after a short gain.

Having Chambers gives the chiefs someone to stretch the field which they desperately needed all season but were unable to come across until they got Chambers.

by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone disagrees that he makes the Chiefs better, but he most certainly made the Chargers worse.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

We are on a 2-game winning streak. You are on a 5.

We will see who has the most momentum, although you do at the moment.

Yes, Charles shoulda been starting. We have won 2 straight with the f@g cut.

This is yet another game in which I don’t expect a win, but I want a fight. None of that crap from week 7.

The Steelers have alternated wins with us for a while, with us winning 5 of the last 9 against them. Don’t know how the Chargers do against them.

Question: Have you guys ever gone 6-0 in the division? I know you are 4-1 now, but I’m just wondering…

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

by NJChieffan16 on Nov 24, 2009 6:37 AM CST reply actions  

Have you guys ever gone 6-0 in the division?

No clue. Not in the last few years we haven’t, I know that much.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey NJChieffan

How is the weather right now in Jersey? Im going to Cape May on Dec 1st for bootcamp. What should i expect? Lol, Snow or more rain?

by Wrestler189s on Nov 24, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Please

People here are so uptight. Please don’t embarrass us. Sports and trash talking come hand and hand. Arrowhead Pride isn’t sacred ground. There are no sacred cows here

I don't want no Yo-Yos

by CaptainPoopDeck on Nov 25, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Pfft

Not sacred ground to you maybe. :P

You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?

by Mully on Nov 25, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, but he started out his post about how bad it was last time and he wouldn't take

kindly to the trash talk, then he goes on to seem “holier-than-thou” for the rest of the post.

by E.C. on Nov 25, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh.

A pre-emptive trash-talk strike.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

he did step out at the two or whatever

what happens if we miss the kick or fumble the snap? he’s looks like an asshole; his words “I stepped out cause i didn’t want to get hit again”. I really like what we’re seein from him, but i’m just sayin; that wasn’t 100%

by E.C. on Nov 25, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

He came back onto the field after taking a pretty rugged hit (on a key play)

and came back and made a great catch-and-run over the middle. So I’m willing to discount that apparent “lack of effort.” I have a hard time questioning a guy’s heart when he made game-winning plays for the Chiefs. As the one guy who appears to be an actual consistent deep threat for KC in ‘09, I’m in favor of his making Primetime-type “business decisions” at the end of a 61-yard gain.

This is like criticizing someone for performing a quadruple somersault with a full twist for not extending his pinkie.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

know this is late and i agree with you

just playin devils advocate. But, everyone would be so pissed if we had lost when he had a pretty clear path to the endzone to the left

by E.C. on Dec 1, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Everybody enjoys getting props for their predictions.

Taking care with one’s own tone, and being thick-skinned as to the tone of others is important for the smooth functioning of AP. :o)

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep throwing up the thirty points, fine.

This is not the same Chiefs team you faced in week 7, you all are riding high, take us lightly, and find out what happens. This will be a much more competitive game. We will harass Rivers into turning the ball over. Our primadonna rb is gone, you all have one of those in a crybaby LT, I would be more than happy to see one of our backers plant his a$$.

Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.

by Eric Allen on Nov 24, 2009 7:39 AM CST reply actions  

It’s worth noting that the Chargers are also playing much better football now than they did when they played the Chiefs.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Did not mean to spew hatred,

Johns comments just rubbed me wrong.

Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.

by Eric Allen on Nov 24, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at John's "Obviousman" handle.

Things he sees clearly are obviously true to him, and he kinda thinks people are stupid for not seeing things the way he does. OTOH, he makes some good points, here and there, if you can look past the arrogance.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Should we really have to look

past it on our turf? I could understand it if we were on their site.

Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.

by Eric Allen on Nov 27, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I was less than generous.

Taking part in the early feeding frenzy. My tone moderates, below.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 28, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s not the reason for the “Obviousman” handle

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2009 5:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry about that.

But it creates a perception.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

and my apologies. My answers will be thoughtful, I promise.

As for the Charles thing, I just remember pointing it out last time and somebody (perhaps more than one person) disagreed with me. Yes, it was gloating and I regret posting it now.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel you John

I remember someone here totally jabbing and you and you were jabbing back. Please don’t let a few represent all of us here at AP. We welcome your presence and appreciate your efforts and want to maintain order just as much as you do. :]

But yea heed the Kool-Aid distributor. it’s good for ya.

by worc on Nov 24, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Some did disagree with you on the RB situation...

but I think most of the people that disagreed with you was the ones that think he cant carry the load. Which is true. If we used him like we used LJ then he would die down faster than LJ did. Keep in mind he is also our KR…so yes he should be the starter, but not carry the load 25-30 times a game.

by Wrestler189s on Nov 24, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes father porkchop

I promise I’ll be good and drink the Kool Aid and go to my room. But don’t you think part of the AP’s allure is the fact that you never know what outrageous comment may leap out from the bushes and scare you out of your complacency.

Too much Kool aid makes me sick. I’ll go to my room where I’ve got a nice little stash of good scotch whiskey.

by choirboy on Nov 24, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I prefer Johnny Walker but drink many kinds of scotch.

Whats your flavor?

Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!

by nateforchiefs on Nov 24, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

scotch...

i dont know how people drink that stuff…or hard alcohol for that matter. Maybe its because when i was younger i drank a little bit too much of it but i just stick to beer now:)

by Wrestler189s on Nov 24, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Wuss

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by Chris Thorman on Nov 25, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Beer lets you enjoy a drink for longer.

And it’s easier to meter out beers-over-hours than shots-over-minutes, which is what happens all too often. What’s killer are the mixed drinks that taste like candy and get you in trouble and leaving you with a hangover.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

How about you then Chris?

Are you a scotch man?

Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!

by nateforchiefs on Nov 25, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

the fav broncos j man part now on john he is trying he went on mhr last week and was good to us broncos fans

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 24, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I see this is off to a friendly start (This is not going well)

First off Congrats for taking the Division away from the Broncos, we knew it would happen but were surprised by their fast start.

The Chiefs are not yet ready to compete for a playoff spot and I don’t think anyone really thinks that they are, However we are seeing improvement and real growth as a team.

My question is pretty basic, What has changed for the Chargers? I mean there were no big roster changes for the Chargers but yet the team has come alive the last 5 games. What can you tell us about how things have changed and do you think the changes are sustainable for the rest of the season?

As far as the Chambers thing I do have my own thought’s on that. Going through a nasty divorce can really mess with your head (I know it is with me). I think just getting some distance from the situation and things that may have caused it can only help. I know Chambers felt that the Chargers organization was concerned about his off the field personal issues were a part of his release as per interviews he gave at the time. I’m wondering if you think this is the case or if you think of it as trying to make an impression with the new team.

is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?

This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.

by KC Fanatic on Nov 24, 2009 8:22 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

My question is pretty basic, What has changed for the Chargers? I mean there were no big roster changes for the Chargers but yet the team has come alive the last 5 games. What can you tell us about how things have changed and do you think the changes are sustainable for the rest of the season?

No big roster changes? That’s where you’re wrong. The Chargers cut 2 starters (Clinton Hart – SS, Chris Chambers – #2 WR) and sat another one down (Antoine Cason – Nickel CB). Those changes have been huge on both sides of the ball.

The offense appears to be in a better rhythm each game without Chambers’ drops, Steve Gregory (who was the backup SS) has brought toughness to the Nickel CB spot which has been huge and two projects (Kevin Ellison and Paul Oliver) have been platooning at SS and making big plays.

The better the Safeties and Nickel Corner play, the more the defense can blitz. The more the offense stays in rhythm and scores points, even more blitzes can be brought. Shawne Merriman finally seems to be getting close to 100% healthy, and his pressure on opposing QBs is freeing up Shaun Phillips and said blitzers. The main characteristic of this defense has become Safety and CB blitzes.

Yes, I think part of the reason Chambers was cut was because of his off-the-field issues. Really, the benefit of keeping him on the team was far outweighed by the distractions, problems he was causing with the offense and money he was costing the team. If it was a 3rd or 4th WR with the same issues getting paid hardly anything, I doubt they’d be cut.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I would add

That the Chargers special teams play has not been so special. Chambers contract was up this season and there is now way the Chargers were going to sign him again. He wasn’t targeted often and when he was he was not catching that many. He also had a whack job mistress that was causing distractions. To drop him and make room for a good special teams player and defensive backup may seem like an odd choice, but in the context of the Chargers strengths & weaknesses it makes sense.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 24, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

That does makes sense Brian.

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

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by oldchiefsfan on Nov 24, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

My only question is..

what has changed with Chambers? From what I understand, he had an issue with a girl and I hear that he was always dropping balls but to be honest, I cant think of him really being targeted much. Is Rivers more comfortable with taller WR’s? I mean Floyd, Jackson and Gates are all 6’4+ and Chambers is only 5’11. Just a thought..wanted to see if a Charger fan thought that was a legit thought.

Was there any reason to believe that Chambers was unhappy in SD? That could have affected his play also.

I just think its weird that he was disregarded the way he was when he was let go, comes here and seemingly helps the offense turn a big corner. They arent great..but theyre much better than they were. Its just a shame that we’ve lost DBowe for a few games, but that should give Chambers more opportunities to show why he was cut, or why he shouldnt have been cut.

Hes only about 30 isnt he? He still should have a couple of good years left in him, provided we keep working him into the system.

by Petey14 on Nov 29, 2009 4:54 AM CST up reply actions  

It’s definitely a legit thought and one that I’ve considered. The Chargers passing attack is not one that relies on short, lazer-accurate throws. It’s one that relies more on big plays being made by big, strong receivers who can get in position and fight for the ball. That’s definitely not Chambers. So yes, the offense growing away from him was just one reason why he was cut.

With that being said, the Chargers really did like his speed and experience. If he had caught more than a quarter of the passes thrown his way, they wouldn’t have cared about the girl. However, the girl was around causing headaches and his production was getting worse by the week. Him getting cut seemed like the best solution to everything.

Besides the girl, Chambers was unhappy in SD because he was not the #1 receiver. He believes that he should be, even when one the league’s best is on the other side of the field. If Bowe comes back and Chambers is not seeing as many passes, he could start speaking out via the media again.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2009 5:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Girl or no girl,

I think SD had invested big in WR and it paid off. I’ve already seen him miss some ties for the ball that Jackson and Gates haul in on a regular basis.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for stopping by and posting, although I agree with Mully. It kinda sounds like your doing us a huge favor by stopping by.

1) As a Chiefs fan, we have of course seen Chambers play. I would wager that many posters here know more about division rival players than most fans of said rivals. REgardless of how Chambers plays next year, the Chargers concern should be Chambers this week. He is playing with a vengance, and more importantly knows the Chargers offensive playbook.

2) I hope the Chargers are concentrating on week 7 just as you are. We are now without Bowe, LJ, and Vrabel and as you know have added Chambers. We also have young Studebaker and Charles starting. While there are still some obvious flaws with the Chiefs that were there at week 7 (safety and OL play to name a few), there will be many key differences on both sides of the ball. If the Chargers expect the week 7 team to take the field, they may get popped in the mouth like the Steelers did.

3) You should have just left this off. Its like saying “the sky is blue”, “Denver sucks”, or “Peyton Manning is awesome”. It also comes across like it was your brilliant idea all along, and that we as a fan base opposed your idea and somehow kept LJ running. We are all thankful here that LJ imploded and that Charles is running hard. Maybe next time put your third point as “wow, isnt Charles really proving he should have been starting all along”

by Fourstrike89 on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions  

to answer point 1…..I’m excited because Chambers has been shut down by Quentin Jammer in practice for the last few seasons. So his knowledge of the playbook may be cancelled out.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

And he's the only receiver on the Chiefs?

Chambers knowledge of the Chargers playbook far outweighs whether or not he has a big game against SD. But, it’s guaranteed he’ll give it that “extra ounce of effort” Sunday. Just to prove a point.

We’re talking two different sides of the ball here. The defense wins w/ Chambers playbook knowledge. It’s apples to tangerines……

by RedZoneMan on Nov 24, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope you’re wrong.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Im not really sure how you know Chambers was shut down by Jammer

I assume you are going off of media reports, so I’ll take that for what its worth. And as everyone knows, what happens in practice (and preseason for that matter) is always a great indicator of what will happen on game day (I haven’t mastered the sacasm font yet, sorry). The truth be told, this will be the first legitimate matchup between Chambers and the San Diego D. And as RedZoneMan said, his knowledge of the playbook far outweighs his play on the field. My prediction: Chambers 95 yds, 2 TDs. Go Chiefs!

by Fourstrike89 on Nov 24, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

1. I saw it in person at training camp. Even if Chambers knowledge of the Chargers offense and defense leads to success for the Chiefs, the fact that our secondary knows all of his tricks means that he probably won’t have a big day himself.

2. Only one players had 2 receiving TDs in a game against the Chargers this year. It’s Heath Miller and the second TD was on a trick play (HB pass).

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

1) You attended every day of training camp for the past 2 years?

And every single play, Jammer shut down Chambers? If you say so, but I find it hard to believe.

2) I fully believe Chambers will be the second to get 2 TDs. As far as Heath Miller, a TD is still a TD, regardless of it was a “trick” play. Personally, I don’t think there are such things as “trick” plays. Some plays are just far more creative than others.

by Fourstrike89 on Nov 24, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

1) No.

2) I do not believe Chris Chambers is a better WR than Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Santonio Holmes, Hines Ward or Derrick Mason. If you believe otherwise, more power to you.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm searching in my posts where I claimed he was better than the aforementioned receivers, and I don't see it anywhere

I guess you’re insinuating that those WRs did not score 2 TDs against the Chargers therefore I must think Chambers is better if he scores 2? Remember, TDs involve a lot more than just the WR. QB, OC, HC, and opposing defenses are just a few. Also, Chambers is literally the go to man now that Bowe is gone. Of the WRs you mentioned, I think only Mason could be considered the only stand out guy of his team’s receiving corps. And keeping Mason from scoring two TDs is not that difficult. He has yet to score two TDs in a game this year.

by Fourstrike89 on Nov 24, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Jammer

is a good physical corner, and the Chargers do fairly well limiting the primary receivers. Generally, it’s the tight ends that eat us alive.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 24, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

agree

i don’t see Chambers lighting up Jammer this week.

by boltsgamedayfootball on Nov 25, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

he got

to taik to some guys at tranning camp very cool s phillips n hardwick

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 24, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

well hes not.... soo......

its obvious…. chambers WILL help the defense… will San Diego adjust? Many times coaches account for situations like this. We’ll see.

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 25, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

And you want to trash Chambers because?????????????

They guy had two key receptions in the Chiefs win Sunday. They were both huge!
How can you speculate that he’ll play terribly next season, just because he had a bad season in SD?
Is Nostradamus a relative of yours, down the genealogy trail?

Many times a change of team, is all it takes a player to get his head back in the right place. On your theory of “nothing left to prove” next year. We’re talking about a player coming from a 7-3 team, to a 3-7 team. If Chambers was a head case, he’d have nothing to prove this year! He’s performed great since coming to KC, so cut the boy some slack. (I think secretly you’re just pissed that he played horribly in SD, and is now shining for another AFC West team)..

As for reminding us of the lopsided win at Arrowhead, yeah, that’s the way to make friends at AP, and keep the conversation level headed.

True, the Chiefs have a long way to go, and even with 6 to go, the Steelers win probably going to be the season highlight. But, I don’t see the Chargers making it past the first round in the playoffs. Most of the WC contenders are stronger than the Chargers.

Go Chiefs! 3 in a row!

by RedZoneMan on Nov 24, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

RE: Chambers

To be fair to John, he’s just saying that Chambers did the same thing when he was traded to SD…played great when he first arrived & had something to prove, then regressed. He’s just saying to expect the same here…& I don’t really have any reason to doubt him.

IMO Chambers was brought in only because of the pending suspension of Bowe. Based on his play I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s offered a contract next season, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him walk either.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Nov 24, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Chambers will be at training camp next year

but that we’ll have found a better receiver than he is by then also and he won’t make the team. Boldin? Of course, he could still make team by pushing Copper or Bradley off which is fine.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Nov 25, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

On the contrary, I realized last year that Chris Chambers was no longer a good fit for this offense. I’m not pissed about anything. My theory is based off the fact that Chris Chambers did this same thing in 2007.

2007
MIA: 69.2 yards per game, 13.4 yards per reception, 0 TD (6 games)
SD: 55.5 yards per game, 15.9 yards per reception, 4 TD (7 games)

2009
SD: 30.5 yards per game, 13.6 yards per reception, 1 TD (4 games)
MIA: 83 yards per game, 24.9 yards per reception, 2 TD (3 games)

I’m just telling you, as a Chargers fan, that we went through the same thing with Chambers in 2007. He was awesome. He was electric. He was even better in the playoffs. However, ever since then it seems like he’s only giving 70%.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Think we got 70% against the Steelers? :)

Think we’ll get 70% this Sunday? :)

Nuff Said!

by RedZoneMan on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

KC

John, in your stats for 2009 I guess you mean KC instead of Mia.

At any rate, some of this is interesting debate. But as you or someone above already said, dumping Chambers resulted in an upgrade for both us and for you. I don’t think any of us are debating that Floyd isn’t better for you guys going forward than Chambers would have been.

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Nov 25, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah well... lets see him try that shit with Todd Haley...

If anyone can keep a receiver in line its Haley. You all know its true. He will perform or he will be gone.

Right now in KC he’s a god so…

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also, lets rec this post up guys

This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!

by IISaiNtII on Nov 24, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't stand Rivers

He’s a big baby, another whining spoiled kid, but unfortunately he’s a little better than Cassel, who turned in another really sub- par performance against the Steelers. He produced a whopping 47 yards in the first half but the victory should keep him in there for another good year.

by choirboy on Nov 24, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not success vs. unsuccessful

It’s just that he’s a huge bag of douche from every point we see him. It could just be competitiveness, I don’t know for certain. I mean, I guess he’s 5-1 vs the Chiefs all-time….

It just seems like he tries to be this “nice” guy, but becomes a total tool as an opponent. Guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are hard to dislike, because well, they’re not douchecanoes like this Rivers fellow. They don’t cry and cry and cry (But hell, if I was knocking up supermodels I probably wouldn’t be crying either…). However, I don’t like Peyton because I think he’s extremely overrated as a player (my personal feelings).

Anywho, maybe it’s just Rivers steely gaze that haunts me:

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Nov 24, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

John

makes a good point. Rivers is the type of player you love when he is on your team, but hate on somebody else’s. Hines Ward kills me, it’s not just that he’s beating you, he is just so damned happy about it. If the Chargers were 3-7 coming into this weekend I doubt you guys would think twice about Rivers.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I still loathe Cutler

and am sure that if Rivers leaves the Chargers, the same will happen with him. He just absolutely rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it’s because they got started in the AFC West? But it doesn’t matter, I can’t stand him.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Nov 24, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

cutlers whiney attitude

and acting lke the world owes him something makes me hate him.

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

I try not to “hate” any football players because it seems silly, but I can find nothing at all redeemable about Jay Cutler. Larry Johnson and Brandon Marshall are in that category as well, but for completely different reasons.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't hate the guys

I just think they’re douchenozzles for whatever reason.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Nov 24, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I choose to hate Tom Brady

because he’s prettier than me.

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

You and everyone else.

People say “He’s like the Tom Brady of ‘insert random thing here’”. Tom Brady IS EFFING TOM BRADY!

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Nov 24, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate him I hate him I hate him

I hate him

I want to be him

even though it would mean hating myself

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KCSatchmo on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Check your Bank account and you will get over the Self-loathing:)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 24, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec again

We have found that middle ground.
Now when SD hates Cassel that will be SWEET!

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 24, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He has to beat us first.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 25, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

your wish is our command!

Air Cassel - approved for takeoff

by kabrink on Nov 25, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Even with all the hate on Ward, when he's constantly smiling like that, he wins me over.

I know he isn’t a bad person character was because of his hits. He’s just a competitor.

I’ve always hated Rivers and his face, but I can’t ignore how skilled the guy is. Still want him to fail, but props, he gets things done.

by worc on Nov 24, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't hate the dude or...

think he’s a douche…

Doesn’t mean I like him though…

I mean I hated Rich Gannon and he used to be a CHIEF (he should’ve remained a Chief as well but thats a different story).

I don’t know I find it hard to hate the Bolts more then the broncos or raiders…

I will say that I don’t particularly enjoy listening to Cromartie…he does get on my nerves…

by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I always liked Gannon for some reason. Something about the way he played the game.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Peyton is overrated?

lol… What does the guy have to do… He plays QB and offensive coordinator. He is the best at the line play caller and defense reader that has EVER played the game. He has won a super bowl. He still plays just as well with a depleted receiving corp. I’m not even a fan, but the guy is a freaking miracle. He will go down as the best QB in NFL history before he’s done and he’s overrated? Statistics don’t lie either.

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 25, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s awfully difficult for the best QB to ever play the position to be overrated.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 25, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and his team is unbeaten

And they’ve won 18 straight—second most in league history.

Drew Bress, however, is overrated. He’s good, but he aint Peyton Manning Tom Brady good.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech

by ArrowSpread on Nov 26, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Because of the great O-Line he's had and the weapons he's had

throughout his entire career, Peyton’s had the easiest reads of any QB in the league for years.

All in all, a very nice conjunction of QB and supporting cast, and he’s been in perfect position to learn the finer points and be rewarded for so doing. I bet there’re more than a few QBs who could’ve become legends with all the talent he’s been showered with. But there’s no question: his fortunate circumstances certainly weren’t wasted on him!

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Manning makes his supporting cast look better than they are.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

He's never had a poor supporting cast on offense.

But he certainly never made ’em worse. But not enough credit has been given to Polian for setting the table for his QB and then getting the best QB he can possibly find.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 28, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec

Thank god we don’t have Peyton Manning or Brady in the west.
AP hates Elway but only cause he was DAMN good. Rivers is getting their.
And will probably join Elway, Fouts, Stabler as those guys that we hate cause the cause is losses.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 24, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

we've been owning Peyton pretty hard

the last few yrs. Brady always seems to get the best of us. but i def wouldn’t want to see either of them twice a year.

by boltsgamedayfootball on Nov 25, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad to have you join us, Obviousman...

And I (for one) appreciate the more measured tones in this post :)

I agree that this came will be more competitive than the week 7 blowout—that was just painful. Both clubs are playing at a different level, and have really shown some new wrinkles that have kept their opponents off-balance. Frankly, I’m not anti-SD…I reserve my utter contempt for the rest of the division, lol. So I was wondering about a couple of things…

1) What has been the most surprising part of SD’s resurgence?
2) Does the team have any major flaws that a division rival fan might not see?
3) Who is, or are, the Chargers’ unsung hero(es), right now?

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

For KC...

1) I’m surprised that Cassel’s gotten a pocket, so he can make some of these deep throws. How bad is it that a poo-poo platter of Wade Smith and Andy Alleman has given this line a boost. Yikes.

2) You’re not going to be shocked by this, but The Pendergast Zone will be heaven for Naanee and for Gates. Our defense blitzes in cover-2, which can make a slot man or TE’s day.

3) Unsung heroes include Leonard Pope, Lance Long, Andy Studebaker, and our whole defensive line.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 24, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I admire guys like Studebaker and Long.

Small-college guys who come in and excel through straight-up hustle. You guys have a good one there.

Wouldn’t call your d-line unsung, though. You’ve got two former national champions (on the same team) who were top 5 picks.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 24, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah we do...

and they better start showin up… i wanna see a d-line push and it isn’t gonna happen till we get a good nose tackle. :-(

by Lucasjr5 on Nov 25, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you're right.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

1) What has been the most surprising part of SD’s resurgence?
The coaching. All around. Norv Turner has been praised endlessly by his players for keeping a cool head during the early season struggles. Ron Rivera went from looking like he’s never seen a 3-4 defense to a complete wizard with it. Even the offensive line coaches and running back coaches deserve praise for the progress they’ve made.

2) Does the team have any major flaws that a division rival fan might not see?
Although it’s been strong for two weeks, I still don’t entirely trust the running game. Also, when the Chargers drop back in zone Stephen Cooper moves like he has cement in his shoes. At the end of the half, when Rivera decides to just play zone, is when the Chargers can make QBs (like an injured Kyle Orton) look like Peyton Manning.

3) Who is, or are, the Chargers’ unsung hero(es), right now?
Steve Gregory is a big one. He was the Chargers backup SS that nobody was real excited about (he’s white, undersized for the position and doesn’t do any Safety things particularly well). When Clinton Hart was cut, and everyone was sure Gregory would take the starter’s role, Steve instead became the starting Nickel CB. He has proven himself to be a great blitzer from that spot, a huge help in run support and (besides the fact that he’s slow and probably can’t cover downfield) has been unbelievable in coverage. That weakness the Chargers had in stopping the short pass earlier this season is gone because of Gregory.

Travis Johnson would be another. He was traded for in the preseason after some D-linemen started going down. He had trouble staying healthy early in the year, but since he’s gotten on the field he’s proven to be a great 3-4 lineman. He takes up blockers, stops the run and occasionally can pressure the QB as well. He’s been a steal.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Excellent insight man...

Interesting about Stephen Cooper. We’ve got one of those (Corey Mays) too, and it hurts. But both are badasses against the run.

Got to admit that I trust in Norv to break down, every year, and I’m stunned that it hasn’t happened yet. I’m not a believer and it doesn’t sound like you are either—but if his style’s working, then go with it.

Looking forward to Sunday…GO Chiefs.

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Nov 24, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

on the contrary

I’m a big believer in Norv and have been all along.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 25, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Prove it.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2009 5:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

History seems to suggest he was handed teams on the way down.

I think he handles himself very well.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

So are we cool to give you a big "I told you so"

since you got destroyed by us again?

You bitch and moan about John and the rest of us… show some class yourself.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 29, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

We all know SD is a better team than we are

It is John’s behavior in our game threads and previous posts (that have since been deleted) for our contention.

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 29, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, I know. And I have no gripe about that.

John’s bad behavior was before I even became a member of BFTB. Whatever. But you keep dredging up something for which he has since apologized, and your members— not necessarily you personally— talk and troll and cuss us out and give us hell about it till Kingdom Come.

All I’m saying is, if you can’t practice what you preach, or attempt to keep your commenters in line, I have even less respect for you than you for John.

Fortunately, you’re no longer the moderator or editor of this site. Joel Thorman and tomahawk came over and gave us a congrats, and cpa has apologized for his trolling. So there are some bright spots.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 29, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My bad, Joel and woodman came over.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 29, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Part of what makes it tough for you BFTB visitors is sheer volume of comments on AP, I suspect.

With everyone wanting to give their opinion, it can pretty quickly get repetitive, especially if you don’t spend much time, here. Take a deep breath and a step back, and you get a “sense” of what the dominant opinion is, and that dominant opinion is usually pretty close to the mark.

But maybe wait to argue until 2 or more people say the same thing that’s clearly wrong in your view?

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I went over

I said some things over there I regret, reaction to some of the other comments when I was getting my drink on, but that’s no excuse, I’ll man up. Sorry about that, and congrats on the win today.

Good luck in the playoffs, I will root for the AFC West represenatives (hopefully SD and Denver make the playoffs)

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Nov 29, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

The fact that you cooled off immediately after I asked was more than enough for me.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

"The way this works is you string together some good games, some good practices and you get momentum and you gain confidence," linebacker Mike Vrabel said. "It can be a real positive for your team. It builds on itself."

by cpa913 on Nov 29, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course, there are also people like this.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 29, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought you guys only had like a one game lead.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

You are on our site, seriously, what do you expect after your comment?

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 29, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

As that was not your comment, I take that back.

However, the response of your’s does nothing but invite retaliation.

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 29, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I was being serious. He seemed to think the Chiefs have a huge lead over the Chargers head-to-head. I seemed to recall reading that it was only a one or two game lead sometime in the last week. I was clarifying.

Honest question: which of us is correct?

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That is definitely fair.

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 29, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw the stat somewhere the other day.

Unfortunately I don’t remember the exact numbers, but after yesterday I believe it’s still a 4-6 game lead. I’d look it up, but work is busy today and I don’t think I’ll have the time. Point is, I’d say it’s somewhere between the two opinions.

by Archyrr on Nov 30, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Looked it up...

KC leads 50-48-1

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

I finally got some spare time to do that, but saw your response first. Maybe I’m remembering a reference to the KC/OAK one.

by Archyrr on Nov 30, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

KC leads OAK...

52-45-2

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Dec 1, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

they lead den too

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

How has Merriman come around?

I know he had a pretty slow start coming off the injury, but is he getting close to his old self yet?

Also, do you think SD will make a big effort to resign him? I know you guys drafted English to (presumably) replace him, but I don’t know how that’s working out.

Seems that SD has a LOT of guys that are up for free agency this offseason, it’ll be interesting to see who they can retain.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Nov 24, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

He's there already

His knee has been good since the beginning of the season. It was just a matter of getting in game shape, then he had a groin pull and then an ankle problem. He’s probably about 90% right now, but he is dominating the game like he used to. His two sacks against the Giants, and his chasing Eli Manning around all night, were the best evidence of that.

Since Merriman has gotten back to this level, offenses have gone back to double and triple teaming him on just about every play. This is why Ron Rivera is constantly bringing blitzers up the middle and around the right side. It’s also why Shaun Phillips is suddenly playing at a Pro Bowl level again.

The two biggest free agents, for us, are Marcus McNeill and Vincent Jackson. They’ll be signed. I have my doubts about Sproles being signed long-term. Merriman will probably be back in San Diego next season as a restricted free agent (so for one year, at a discounted price) and will probably go somewhere else in 2011. The money he’s going to command is not the type of money that the Chargers’ GM is willing to invest in him, and that has been made very clear by both sides.

English hasn’t done much this season, but he hasn’t been on the field much either. When he gets on, he looks like he has potential but isn’t starter-material yet. I think the Bolts are okay with that, wanting to nurse him along to be ready when Merriman leaves town.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Just a thought John.

You have to give respect to get it. Just look at your post as well as the other times you have came here and you will see what I mean

Chiefs set an NFL record,most roster changes in 1 season.

by bringbacktheglory on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I find it funny that I do this every week and AP is the only place where I’ve ever had a problem.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

on that note

i do love to debate football, but at first glance your post came off a little condencending. Im not sure if that was your intent or not. but that could be why we seem hostile. You basically attacked some of our players and just rubbed the last loss to you in our face. id probably take a different approach if you want friendly conversation or debating,

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

It was not my intent.

I also did not mean to attack anybody. The statement about Chambers was meant as a warning more than anything.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

allright thats legit

i’m just saying why people get kinda pissed.

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I just want to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving

Congrats to the Chargers for getting into the drivers seat of the AFC West

I really enjoy watching Sproles and LT, and San Diego’s D has been amazing at times I’ve watched them.

Please don’t give up on doing these just because some of us are a little extreme in our passion for our favorite team.

Hope you get to eat lot’s of turkey and I am looking forward to a whole day of football on Thursday and hopefully a good game on Sunday!

(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raidaaas (game 2)
***Super Bowl Champion Steelers!***

Next victim: Bolts - Thanks for Chambers by the way, Cassel to Chambers = Touchdown KANSAS CITY!

by cpa913 on Nov 24, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

When the Chargers won in week 7

didn’t you come here and say some like “and u guys thought you were going to win”??

by rdubz on Nov 24, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably

There were a few people during the last one of these that got under my skin. I wouldn’t be surprised if I did something like that in response. Not my finest moment and not a representation of who I am.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Just remember

One or two posts by different people don’t represent who we are as a whole either. Take a disagreement up with the individual and not the whole fanbase.

by Supersport on Nov 24, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Maybe you’ve defined your history here…

Do you go to other blogs at the end of the game and rub their face in it when they’re losing or is that something that you reserve especially for us? Do other moderators do that to you when your team is losing?

I can’t imagine that they’d take kindly to that, nor can I imagine Chris or Joel doing that to you.

"Every day is an evaluation and if you’re not out there how can we depend on you? If you’re out there and you don’t know what to do, how can we depend on you?" Accountability -- Haley-style...

by Chief_Elmo on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

SBNation needs to put a “Hug” button in.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re good people, cpa913.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Dont tell him that...

Now we are going to have to enlarge his hallways and doors just so he can get through…

J/K!!!!

WE lost to WHO?

by Cowboynchrist on Nov 24, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Please read the comment above yours.

Also, I was attacked during the last Q&A before I ever did that. My coming on here and making a snide remark was a response, albeit a really bad one.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

allright enough of burning about

what he said before. who cares, we get mad at eachother and talk smack to eachother all the time lol. lets talk some football.

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa

That is not what I said at all. Here’s what the intent was….

-I am not surprised by Cassel struggling.
-This team will be much more dangerous once Pioli has a chance to draft some WR talent.
-Goff is finished, let’s commiserate.

Considering I know that Pioli is not commenting at AP, at no point did I say the readers here were stupid. As a matter of fact, I came on here when Goff was signed and shared my opinion and most responded with “Thanks, but we hope you’re wrong.” I was just trying to remind everyone here that I’m here to share knowledge about things like that.

I did not get in a huff because somebody suggested the Chargers might have been better off with Brees. I got in a huff because a few people refused to have a football debate and instead decided to yell louder their opinions about the Chargers and pretend they were correct.

-As I stated in the comments before, a FanPost at BFTB led me to believe that the Chiefs fans were under the impression that Chambers was this good with the Chargers before being cut.
-Just a reminder, we kicked your ass last time
-Again, I didn’t call anybody stupid. Last time I was here somebody was arguing with me that LJ was going to turn it around and Charles wasn’t the right guy to start now. They even went on to suggest the Kolby Smith (I probably got that name wrong) would be a better option than Charles. Obviously that guy knew about as much about football as the guy who posted the Chambers FanPost at BFTB, and it’s my fault for taking them as representatives of the AP readers.

I brought a different tone to this post because the last time I was here, trying to have a football conversation, it became a pissing contest. I know I shouldn’t have let that decide how I came across this time, and I apologize for starting poorly this time.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I should have been more clear

My characterizations of your comments are not what you said or even what I thought you meant. It’s simply how they could easily have been construed. When I looked at how you opened at other sites, the difference was pretty striking. The Bronco post in particular is a classic example of how to wade into hostile territory and win over hearts and minds. It’s precisely the way I would have approached that situation and it’s not surprising that you didn’t run into trouble there.

I’d like to reiterate that I think a couple of our posters have gone way overboard in attacking you. I suspect that it’s why these posts seem to start with you on the defensive. I hope you’ll discover that most of us will happily keep the conversation to football if that’s the tone of the OP. Most of us hate the Chargers, but very few hate Charger fans. I personally respect anyone who has the spine to stick by a team even if it’s a loathesome, dirty team. (Yeah I’m looking at you Bronco fans)

And, oh yeah, most of us love your cheerleaders.

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by KCSatchmo on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I went back and read through the comments from last time

and have yet to see anything… bad. At all. I don’t get what the major malfunction is with a few people here.

If you only knew...

by IISaiNtII on Nov 24, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Who's snotty and arrogant?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 24, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the nature of arrogance.

It’s a blind spot to the person who shows it. That’s why I’ve gone to ascribing it to youth, rather than intent.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

When John or any of the other editors of SBN’s blogs comes to another blog for one of these Q&A’s it is as a favor to that blog and its community. It is in the interest of all parties that everyone remember that when commenting on these threads.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Mmm.

And when John, or any of the other editors of SBN’s blogs, comes to our blog and acts like a tool and then comes back to our blog and continues to spout arrogance and attitude even while claiming to not being doing so, I think that it’s the general consensus that we’d rather he not do us any more favors.

If he could actually manage civility and restrain himself from making snide or snarky comments, I’m sure that we’d be a lot more receptive.

by JacinB on Nov 29, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

on the Chambers subject

perhaps it was the coaching in San Diego that lead him to his “abysmil play” because hes done a hell of a job for us and i wouldnt be suprised ( no offense) if he lit the chargers up just purely out of spite and wanting to show them what theylost.

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 12:25 PM CST reply actions  

Well

The Chargers are on track to post 4,000 yards again this season; it doesn’t seem like a coaching thing. He wasn’t a good fit any more, his time had come. I’m glad he’s doing well for the Chiefs, not so much for next week though.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I think its more a personal thing with Chambers coming up this week...

I think he might want payback or whatever you want to call it against the Chargers to try and prove to them that he was worth it…

I think…

I honestly am just happy with what he’s shown thus far. He’s been apart of the spark that this team has needed for…oh I don’t 4 years! LoL

by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i mean more like

he was upset with the coachin staff or soemthing along those line

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

He did complain

about losing snaps to Floyd. I don’t think he did himself any favors by going to the press about it.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 24, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree

I think Chambers plays the best when he feels he’s been disrespected and has something to prove. That would scare me a lot more this weekend if I didn’t think the Chargers secondary was the strength of the defense.

Also, I’ll put it this way. I know the Chiefs are better than Week 7. I know this will be a closer game. If the Chiefs had Chambers playing this well, plus Dwayne Bowe and Mark Bradley playing well…..I’d be downright nervous. However, I don’t think Chambers (minus Bowe) makes the Chiefs 30 points better. I think the Chargers will win by 5 or 6 instead.

Before anybody attacks me for that….I am of the belief that the slimmer you make the margin of possible victory, the better chance there is of an upset. So I’m not saying a Chargers victory is a foregone conclusion. I just think, if both teams play as they have been playing, the Bolts should win.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, that makes sense

chiefs will be the underdogs as they have been all year. the chiefs defense will have to play really well and cause turnovers in order to give them a chance at winning this game.

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

and, statistically, the Chargers have turned the ball over fewer than any other team in the league for the past two seasons.

As I said going into the last matchup, I think the worst case scenario is a shootout. With the talent that’s on the Chargers offense, I’m confident the Bolts would win a shootout.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah they would.

but i think that if we could force 2-3 turnovers that the chiefs will be in the game and could pull it out at the end

by deflep1691 on Nov 24, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

This comment right here...

The Chiefs winning chances (against superior teams) relies heavily on the turnover game.

The Chiefs this year capitalize on opponent miscues and turnovers and rely on them heavily to win the field position battles against opponents to set up their anemic offense for success or put their defense in favorable positions to play a little more aggressive.

by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

I agree with that. Like I said, the Chargers just don’t turn the ball over. They NEVER fumble (zero this year) and Rivers has thrown 3 picks in the last 6 games I believe.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Three picks in the last eight games. No picks the last two.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That would make sense if it weren’t for the fact that he was getting outperformed by the rest of the receivers on the team.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the biggest reason Chiefs fans think this game will be different

is that in the last 6 games, the SD game is the only one where we didn’t at least put up a fight. We won three of those 6 and in the other two loses to Dallas and the Jags we at least kept fighting until the very end. In the SD game we just gave up, we had no heart, Cassel was making stupid throws that he hasn’t made all year, it was clearly our worst game. The Chargers had a lot to do with that, but given that we have played a lot “harder” if not better in 5 of the last 6 games, we feel confident that we will put forth a much better effort this time around. Add to that Mr. 2.7 getting thrown off the team, Charles improved play and the passing game starting to gel and we at least have hope now.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I think this game will be closer because the last game was the most lopsided contest in the history of this rivalry. I doubt that happens twice in one season.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

First off.....Enough of the appologies.

The past is the past and I don’t really care what happened last time you posted here.
I’ve seen you deend yourself and re-word THIS post a few times indicating your intent. THat’s good enough for me.
I actually bothered to READ the other posts ont he thread before I made this post, so you wont get snap judgement fire and brimstone out of me.

Second:
Believe me, I’ve had the same converations about LJ needing to be cut / booted to the curb / strung up by his toes and bledd out from a hole drilled into his head over and over and over again here on AP for the last year. I can certainly believe you when you say someone argued that we should keep giving LJ umpteen chances to be the starter. It’s a fight we’ve had on AP for a long time, and I for one am glad is finally over. LJ has sucked since 2007. It only took us 2.5 seasons to finally stop living in the past and letting hum disrupt the locker room before we were willing to admit that sometimes impeovement comes from addition by subtraction.

On to the questions:

1) Considering the mulit year history of LT starting slow, improving as the season goes along and then running out of gas in later November only to end up injured by playoff time; What have you seen that would give you reason to believe this year will be any different?

2) Would YOU have chosen to keep an aging RB on the wrong side of 30 with a multi year history of injuries that had not lived up to his potential for 2 seasons, or would you have prefered to see Sproles in the Backfield with Turner instead of letting him go to Atlanta?

3) Given that in 2008 the Chiefs vs. Chargers 2 game match up was decided by a TOTAL of 2 points, and the Chiefs are clearly a better team this year than last year, and teh Chargers were off to their usual slow start: How can you possibly say that you expect a 5 or 6 point margin? These 2 teams have played in so many close ones inthe last few years that end as nail biters. What leads you to believe this one will be different?

4) Will Merriman EVER be as good of a player as he was on steroids? That’s nto a pot-shot at you guys, but I have not seen even CLOSE to the same player he was before he tested positive. He’s certainly good (better than any pass rusher KC has onthe field) but he isn’t nearly the game dominator he once was.

5) Again, not a pot shot at you guys, ratehr a valid (in my eyes) question: Do you honestly think the Chargers EVER EVER EVER have a chance to go to a Superbowl with Norv Turner as the head coach? I will admit the man is an exelent coordinator. He’s phenominal as a play caller. However, he’s been the downfall of the team everywhere he goes as a head coach. What SPECIFICALLY do you see in San Diego that would lead you to believe that he’s capable of changing his colors as a Charger HC?

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

PS.. If you want to avoid future "first twitch reaction" remarks to THIS post...

…may I suggest editing it to tone down the “poking with a stick” feeling =P

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Nov 24, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I apologize if these answers are quick

I actually have to leave for the airport in 15 minutes

1) Considering the mulit year history of LT starting slow, improving as the season goes along and then running out of gas in later November only to end up injured by playoff time; What have you seen that would give you reason to believe this year will be any different?
The fact that he missed some games was actually good for him. He’s at an all-time low for carries at this point in the season. Also, as the Chargers showed against the Broncos, when the game is over they will not waste LT pounding the ball in the 4th quarter (which they did last year). Finally, I think they’re saving Michael Bennett (who has barely played at all after being amazing in the preseason) to take a lot of late-season snaps away. I could be wrong about that. In a nutshell, nothing significant is being done but I hope the minor things work.

2) Would YOU have chosen to keep an aging RB on the wrong side of 30 with a multi year history of injuries that had not lived up to his potential for 2 seasons, or would you have prefered to see Sproles in the Backfield with Turner instead of letting him go to Atlanta?
When Turner was leaving LT had one injury. There was no history of injuries and he was still one of the top 5 RBs in the league. To keep Turner “over” LT at the point would’ve been insanity, and the team could not afford to pay both backs top dollar. They went with the proven guy and it hasn’t worked out as planned.

3) Given that in 2008 the Chiefs vs. Chargers 2 game match up was decided by a TOTAL of 2 points, and the Chiefs are clearly a better team this year than last year, and teh Chargers were off to their usual slow start: How can you possibly say that you expect a 5 or 6 point margin? These 2 teams have played in so many close ones inthe last few years that end as nail biters. What leads you to believe this one will be different?
It’s a completely different matchup. The Chargers had trouble with the “Pistol” formation because they couldn’t defend short passes (too much zone) and couldn’t stop Tony Gonzalez (blame Clinton Hart). The Chiefs no longer have a viable TE, and the short-passing game is no longer a problem. Also, for whatever reason, Rivers and the passing game always plays really well against 3-4 defenses (maybe cause they see it in practice). The Chiefs, while improved, are a much better matchup for the Chargers now than they were last season.

4) Will Merriman EVER be as good of a player as he was on steroids? That’s nto a pot-shot at you guys, but I have not seen even CLOSE to the same player he was before he tested positive. He’s certainly good (better than any pass rusher KC has onthe field) but he isn’t nearly the game dominator he once was.
Probably not, but not because of the PEDs. Every NFL player’s prime is years 2-3 of their career except QBs. After that the beating of the NFL takes it’s toll on your body and you have to use smarts just to stay near that level. Not to mention the amount of film the opposing teams get of you, so that they know every move you’re going to make before you make it. That was Merriman’s prime and I don’t think he’ll ever be that good again. Do I think he can be close to it for the next 5 years? Yes.

5) Again, not a pot shot at you guys, ratehr a valid (in my eyes) question: Do you honestly think the Chargers EVER EVER EVER have a chance to go to a Superbowl with Norv Turner as the head coach? I will admit the man is an exelent coordinator. He’s phenominal as a play caller. However, he’s been the downfall of the team everywhere he goes as a head coach. What SPECIFICALLY do you see in San Diego that would lead you to believe that he’s capable of changing his colors as a Charger HC?
Because he hasn’t been the downfall as the Chargers HC at all. Before you point out 14-2, remember that was against a last-place schedule and for the second straight year the Chargers were embarrassed at home in the first game of the playoffs. That’s not a strong team. That’s a fluke team.

Sure, Norv’s teams have started slow, but he’s going against 1st place schedules and is still undefeated in December. Plain and simple, I think the NFL is all about having the talent and coaching to be competitive in the playoffs. Luck settles the rest. Norv gets the Chargers there when Marty couldn’t, the Chargers have just been unlucky so far. Put Norv’s record the last 2 years from December on (including the playoffs) against any other coach and he looks fantastic. I believe he ties for the most wins over that span. How could you ask for anything more than that?

There’s lots of talk at BFTB that the slow starts and strong finishes are due to a soft training camp from Norv. If that’s the case, I’m fine with it. If my team is going to be stronger, healthier and fresher at the end of the season….you have to take that.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

safe trip.

I’m braving Newark airport tomorrow. It could be ugly. I’ll have a book, an iPod, and patience.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 24, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m going to disagree with you on Merriman. 2007 was his best season as a pro (he was suspended in 2006) and he’s been approaching that level the last few weeks.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

some comments about point #5

When you take about first/last place schedules I’m not sure how that makes a major difference being that only 2 games are decided by previous year’s finish?
SD was 9-7 in 05 which was good for 3rd in the AFC West, not last. I could be misunderstanding your statement though so feel free to correct me.

I have a buddy who is a member of your boards and he says the same things about Marty/Norv, but I just scratch my head on that one. As a football fan, not just a KC fan, I feel like the Chargers are winning in spite of Norv. I know Marty, had trouble getting multiple clubs far in the post-season but is it loathing for Marty that creates this faith in Norv?

Was there some connection between AJ and Norv that would make him want to hire hire Norv after the Oakland fiasco?

Thanks for the time you spend on answering questions.

Prediction: 2009 AFC West gets Emmy for best drama.

by CT Chief Fan on Nov 25, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

A second tier

finish was coupled with us drawing the weak NFC West that year. I think John overstates the case slightly, but the Chargers had one of their weakest schedules ever that year. There is no doubt it was a talented team, but that just highlights Marty’s shortcomings in the playoffs. I have a lot of respect for the way he turned the franchise around, but zero for the way he chose to go out. He hired his brother, knowing that would get him fired, and he did it after both the OC and DC got hired away by other teams.

Our board gets restless with Norv from time to time too, but this is looking like his third straight trip to the playoffs. He now has the best winning percentage and as many post season wins as any coach in Charger history.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 25, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

since you like predictions i have some for you

The chargers will never win a Super Bowl with Norv Turner or Phillip Rivers

and in 2010 Matt Cassel > Phillip Rivers

by Lebensraum on Nov 28, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I like predictions based on stats or something besides opinion.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2009 5:55 AM CST up reply actions  

And Cassel seems to be lacking street ball traits, like what to do when the D-Lineman leaves his feet.

For his height, he doesn’t get enough balls away clean. Blocked passes and bouncing them off the helmet of pass rusher…

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

it is a fact that the chargers have not won a super bowl with Rivers or Turner

but Manning and Rothlesberger have! Face it you guys are a B level team that cant get over the Hump. My Chiefs were the same way for 8 years.

by Lebensraum on Nov 29, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hate to disagree with a KC fan here, but...

Manning is lucky to have won his one Superbowl. Their D struck lightning that year in the playoffs, and they faced a fairly weak Chicago team to win it. I’ve always felt that the Colts have been the most disappointing team in this decade (in terms of playoffs) considering the amount of talent they’ve had.

Regarding Turner, I’ve never thought of him as a good coach and that’s probably because I just don’t like his laid-back style…BUT, he does deserve credit for always getting that team turned around after slow starts. And his teams have actually been able to win playoff games. I’m still not past my bias against him, but it’s hard to argue with the facts.

I do expect SD to regress starting next season, due to team age & free agency departures, so that will make it tough on Rivers. But he is a very good QB, and Smith is a very good GM, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see SD to rebound quickly.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Nov 30, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

wrong Manning, It was Eli and Ben i was referring to.

I am speaking in terms in the other two QB’s picked in the same draft who already have SB titles, Rivers has none, Turner has none. Those are the facts, and they will most likely never change.

Here are some more facts, The chargers have never one a Super Bowl, and only been to one (where they got destroyed).

What bugs me, is that this guy comes to our blog and acts as if his team is cream of the crop and that they are elite level team. They are a decent team, but clearly not a even a top 1/3 of the league.

If he wants to look at the “obvious” try explaining how a team full of “great” players struggles to make the playoffs and can’t get over the hump. Their run is coming to an end sooner rather than later and soon will only be remembered by diehard charger fans as the Glory days

by Lebensraum on Nov 30, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Out of curiosity, who are the 11 teams you think are better than the Chargers this year?

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

NE, Pitt, Giants, Philly, Arz, Cinn, Balt, Dallas, Minn, New Orleans, Indy, Green Bay, Houston, Jacksonville, Tennesee,

There you go pick 11 out of those 15 teams,

Dont even dare bring up your over inflated record as evidence, you have 5 wins against teams rebuilding in AFCW, if you played in AFC south you would be in third place with a 5-6 record

by Lebensraum on Nov 30, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

where

denver at do u work for espn anyway sd is 4 right now only benind no minn and indy

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 1, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

So, you’d rank them behind two teams they beat? Interesting.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Dec 1, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

you dont really think you are better than Philly and Giants Do you?

The Giants have shown they can win the Big one, and Philly has been to 5 NFC championships and 1 Super Bowl

by Lebensraum on Dec 1, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

What's the take on the Clary injury?

How has Dombrowski looked?

(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raidaaas (game 2)
***Super Bowl Champion Steelers!***

Next victim: Bolts - Thanks for Chambers by the way, Cassel to Chambers = Touchdown KANSAS CITY!

by cpa913 on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions  

95% of what we’ve seen out of Dombrowski this year has been at RG (and he’s not a guard) and has been terrible. He’s a much better RT, but we haven’t seen him there too much. I have no idea what to expect, but the team is confident that Dombrowski is not too much of a drop off from Clary. Having the best blocking TE in football (Brandon Manumaleuna) to help him is big.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 24, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Update: If Dombo struggles, we have Jon Runyan now.

Still, don’t expect him to have TOO big an impact. He still needs to learn the scheme.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 24, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

And when Jon Runyan struggles?

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by woodman212 on Nov 25, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

he becomes a congressman

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by justdave on Nov 25, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hairiest Armed Congressman Ever.

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by woodman212 on Nov 25, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s funny that you say “Chris Chambers next year will have nothing to prove”….Well, are you forgetting that the Chiefs play you guys 2 times a year? I think from here on out he will have something to prove and make you guys pay for releasing him, as long as he plays you guys twice a year.

This isnt the same team that you saw in week 7. We obviously had a game plan and stuck to it to beat the Superbowl Champs. If we stick to the game plan against you guys then we could win the game. Just because you guys beat us by 30 the last matchup doesn’t mean it wll happen again. Thats like the Broncos saying “Im gonna keep referring to the first matchup between us and not ignor that we beat you by 11 (I think?).” You guys turned it around and found out a way to beat them even though Orton was hurt. So what makes you think that it wont happen between us? Anything could happen and i dont think you really understand that.

And we all agreed that JC should be the starter….Just he wont be able to carry the load like LJ did. If we put Kolby Smith with him he will be fine and will disrupt you guys.

by Wrestler189s on Nov 24, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

The comparison to DEN/SD doesn’t really work because Denver got worse while San Diego improved. Since Week 7, both San Diego and Kansas City have improved. Also, the Chargers beat the Chiefs much more soundly than the Broncos beat the Chargers.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree with that.

Denver didn’t really get worse. Denver is the same Denver that started the season 6-0. It’s just that Denver has been exposed. People know where the holes are now and know how to exploit them.

Kansas City and San Diego have both improved, yes, so now you have to look at motivation.

San Diego is playing a team that is generally one of the laughing stocks of the NFL the past 3 years, a team that struggled to get to 3-7 while they’re sitting atop the division. They’ve only got two games left on their schedule that look like they should be competitive (vs Bengals, and @ Titans) and are looking like they can just coast into the division title and the playoffs.

Kansas City, on the other hand, is coming off of a surprise upset against the defending Super Bowl Champions and are now likely believing that they can beat anyone and are going into a game against an opponent that thoroughly embarrassed them a few weeks back.

This game might be tougher than you guys seem to think.

by JacinB on Nov 25, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The Chargers may have blown the Chiefs off the field in KC this year, but I have to imagine they remember how close the games were last season and won’t take them lightly. Also, Norv’s teams have shown incredible focus in the latter part of the season the last two years, so I’m not really worried about a letdown. Also, the Chargers are still competing for that second bye with the Bengals and Patriots and they don’t get to play the Pats so they know they can’t afford to slip up.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 25, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a reminder for everyone...

Be kind, even to your rivals….Overlords are watching…with the ban-hammer in mid swing…

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by woodman212 on Nov 24, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Congrats on pounding the Donkeys, seeing them lose always makes me happy, seeing them lose bad while we beat the defending the SB champs…priceless.

I don’t really have any questions I just hope this time around is better than our last.

by Spiderwomn69 on Nov 24, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for answering questions here. I have a couple about the SD WRs.

It seems like Vincent Jackson has had a drop in production recently. Is that because more teams are starting to treat him like a legit #1 receiver or is he not playing as well as was early in the year? Also, what does Malcolm Floyd offer that Chris Chambers didn’t that caused Chambers to be cut; size, speed, or was Chambers just too expensive?

by ajanzen on Nov 24, 2009 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

Oh and btw

Good to see you guys blow out Denver. Hopefully they continue their collapse all the way to weeks 13 and 17.

by ajanzen on Nov 24, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's a combination of those factors.

Jackson is finally getting some recognition as an elite wideout (after all, he’s tied for the lead league in recieving TDs and I think is 6th in yardage? Someone double check that), and he could be fatigued after such an explosive first half. Not to rub salt on it or anything, but he went for 142 yards in a half against you guys— that’s astronomical, and efforts like that every week have got to be catching up to him.

Floyd has about three strides and 7 inches on Chambers, plus he dogs out every play, whereas Chambers appeared to be taking some off in the early part of the season. Cost was also a factor, but not the primary one.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 24, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

All of these reasons

I think the biggest difference is Chambers. Early in the season, even when covered, Rivers would force the ball to VJ and hope his WR could make a play. He had given up on throwing to Chambers after so many drive-killing drops. With sure-handed Floyd and Naanee in there, Rivers is more willing to take the open receivers 7 yards ahead of him (that are open because of the double-coverage on VJ) than force the deep pass.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 25, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I would like to know if this was expected or not.

Rivalries are pretty intense, especially considering that we are almost tied in the all-time series. When someone mentions Chargers, Raiders, and Broncos, I think Dolts, Faiders(and other names), and Donks. Pure hatred right there.

Question, though: Ever notice the “road trend” in this division?

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

by NJChieffan16 on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

After the squabbling in week 7, we thought there might be some bad blood.

No matter. It’s just part of routine. Generally John does this every week.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 24, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he meant the "road trend" as in

KC lost at home to the Raiders
Raiders lost at home to the Chiefs
Cheifs lost at home to San Diego

I’m not sure the rest of the home/away records without looking them up, I don’t think the question was about the fans, rather just that we are rivals and the road team seems to be getting ramped up this year. Maybe more of a KC trend this year.

(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raidaaas (game 2)
***Super Bowl Champion Steelers!***

Next victim: Bolts - Thanks for Chambers by the way, Cassel to Chambers = Touchdown KANSAS CITY!

by cpa913 on Nov 25, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for coming John!

I have a comment and two questions. I don’t want to beat a dead horse but it was so unclassy to come on AP’s gameday thread after the game was in its closing moments and talk trash. I expect a little more from a leader of a website. With that being said, thank you for coming and having meaningful discussion. I think you have good insight. Here are my questions:

What in the world is causing the big improvement in the SD defense from the first few games to the last 3-5?

What do you predict the game result to be this weekend between SD & the Chiefs?

by casselreadychiefs on Nov 25, 2009 12:43 AM CST reply actions  

Kevin Ellison and Paul Oliver have replaced Clinton Hart at strong safety. Steve Gregory has replaced Antoine Cason as the nickle corner. Merriman continues to get healthier and is commanding more and more attention from offenses. Travis Johnson and Ian Scott along with a healthier Jacques Cesaire have provided a solid rotation along the defensive line which has made them all better. Also, Ron Rivera seems to have realized that Gregory and Weddle have better closing speed than his dinged up linebackers and is bringing them as blitzers far more often than he did. Also, Kevin Burnett has gotten healthier and appears to be a force in the middle.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 25, 2009 2:36 AM CST up reply actions  

What do you think your biggest needs are in the offseason?

If Sproles really isn’t the answer at RB, and it really does look like LT has lost a step for good, then is RB your primary need in next years draft or is it something else?

"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." ~Oscar Wilde

by Big Chief on Nov 25, 2009 1:27 AM CST reply actions  

I have a hard time believing that a team with a 4th ranked offense and a 22nd ranked defense has as its highest priority drafting a running back. Running back should be a day 2 consideration.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 25, 2009 2:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Me and Richard disagree on this. I think the Chargers need to think about the future and get a future starter/star RB early. However, Offensive Tackle will be a need as will the defensive line and possibly MLB.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 25, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Considering this is Merrimans last year, and has his bickering with the owner lately plus

adding on the the Tila thing…do you guys think you will let him go on as a FA. Also is that why you drafted Larry English? Who do you guys think will be your franchise tag?

by Wrestler189s on Nov 25, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

If there’s no new CBA he’ll be an RFA so it won’t matter. Larry English was drafted because Smith saw a need for depth at the position when Merriman missed the majority of last season. Also, there was no guarantee Merriman was going to come back healthy.

I’ll be disappointed if we let Merriman walk, but I won’t be shocked.

As for the Franchise Tag, if they use it I suspect it’ll be used on Merriman.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 25, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with John. I'd trade a lot for a shot at CJ Spiller or Toby Gerhart.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 25, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Gerhart = Jacob Hester

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions  

He’s faster than Hester.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 29, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec's please

This has dropped off the front page because of our high volume of posts

(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raidaaas (game 2)
***Super Bowl Champion Steelers!***

Next victim: Bolts - Thanks for Chambers by the way, Cassel to Chambers = Touchdown KANSAS CITY!

by cpa913 on Nov 25, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

John

Thanks for braving the boards to come by a second time.

Good luck this week, it’ll be interesting to see if KC can continue its momentum.

Prediction: 2009 AFC West gets Emmy for best drama.

by CT Chief Fan on Nov 25, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

Kind of sad that he has to "brave" us if you ask me

We’re as passionate a bunch as there is on SBNation, and I love that. It’s part of why I keep coming on here. But I’m a member of many blogs on this network and nearly all of them have this tradition. A little foreign exchange between opposing teams’ blogs every week where they trade questions and some good-natured razzing. This is pretty much the only one I’ve seen that started out hostile and stayed that way. To put that in perspective, there hasn’t been fighting on the “Ask a Jayhawk” thread on the Mizzou blog, and the MU-KU rivalry goes back to our ancestors raping and murdering each other before the Civil War. So, consider that the guy is taking time out of his life to come over here into enemy territory and answer questions.

That said, Obviousman doesn’t get off scot-free either. Whether or not it was intentional, the opening post came off as very condescending, like we should be honored that he would even deign to enlighten us with his presence. I could almost hear it being said in a nasal fake British accent, nose up in the air, eyes closed, heart full of loathing for these pitiful people who back such a pitiful team. When I heard that he had come over to boast after we played our worst game of the season and one of the worst in many years of bad football, he fell even further in my eyes. I understand that we all make mistakes, especially in the heat of the moment and even moreso when it regards our favorite teams. But you better believe that if I was in his shoes after pulling a stunt like that, I’d have been apologetic, humble, and ready to praise the Chiefs in this post. That’s not what we got at all, though the answers have been very civil and helpful, so thank you for that.

So this is how I look at it. We have two penalties on the play. Unsportsmanlike conduct on Obviousman, and unsportsmanlike conduct on the AP readership. Those penalties will offset. Let’s start over and just talk some football.

Good luck to both teams on Sunday! GO CHIEFS!

by Soria's Unibrow on Nov 25, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

as my manager says about emails in a corporate environment:

Just because you feel it was a slight on you, it doesnt neccesarily mean thats how it was meant.

Prediction: 2009 AFC West gets Emmy for best drama.

by CT Chief Fan on Nov 26, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

relive it

they are showing the chiefs vs steelers game on the NFL network. I bet i know how it ends :)

by chiefs58 on Nov 25, 2009 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

I believe it was 29% before the Steelers game. I got that off of Football Outsiders, which has since changed/updated.

Floyd and Naanee are #2 and #3 WRs, and easily the 3rd or 4th options in the offense. Chambers has been playing as the #1. You can’t compare the two.

Also, you can’t take 3 good games and compare them against the entire season of somebody like Miles Austin. If any Chiefs fan says they’d take Chambers over Austin, they’re fooling themselves.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2009 5:59 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Austin is a truly dominant player, right now.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Jacin the master-debater!:)

Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.

by Eric Allen on Nov 25, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

hey guys

i know this been bothed up a lot between u guys and john i figue as a broncos fan i can give peserate since its my first year here was john wrong rubing it in u faces the first game yes he was to a point now if i did not know u guys as well as i do maybe i wouild have done the same thing i looked at it like this the chiefs is your fam u never want something to happen to u fam u fans can say bad thinigs about the chiefs but i feel i do not have the right to say bad about u team i have john back expect i have a warning for him what goes around comes around it will reverser the chiefs will be a great team one day i am just saying anything can happed i love every nfl blog on here u make espn look like a school paper

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 25, 2009 5:31 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

yeah me too steve

i am real good at the brakect in march i can get 68 perecent right i got 3 of 4 final four last year and the champ unc if u want me to do a post on my march madress i will in march

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 25, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

most lisey

ku for sure but purude uk and mich st and tex are in the running oh arkansas is bad this year in b-ball

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 25, 2009 8:40 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I have some questions...

If you have gotten these before then disregard them. I haven’t had time to read through all of these.

1. Do you think the the Chargers have a good shot at making the SuperBowl this year? Why or why not?

2. If you didn’t have Rivers as a QB what quarterback would you want and why?

3. If you had a choice to take out one Chiefs player for this game who would it be and why?

Thanks for your time!

Hali, Johnson, Vrable, Mays, Williams, Studebaker, Belcher

-Come Get Some-

by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 26, 2009 12:12 AM CST reply actions  

Thx for the post and good comments, John.

Random SD thoughts:

  1. I used to discount Norv Turner more than I do, now. It’s easy to say the guy ran teams into the ground when he ascended to HC on a championship team on the down-turn personnel-wise. I’m getting more of a sense of AJ Smith, now, and it’s starting to look like Norv’s just fine, with a decent GM at his back.
  2. Rivers reminds me of some of the better neighborhood street-ball kids that you used to hate playing against, because he was such a good player and such an asshole about it. Zero sportsmanship, which makes having fun with the guys a lot harder, because ARGUING (without the benefit of referees) is part of his game, whether he’s in the right, or not. The kind of kid who’d take his ball and go home, wrecking the entire game, if things didn’t go his way. Fierce competitor, but just an asshole, who misses the point of doing your best to win fair-and-square. Winning seems more important than being fair-and-square, and winning as a true sportsman is the pinnacle.
  3. I think AJ’s plan to continue upgrading WR has been largely successful, and Chambers was odd man out.
  4. Some of the common opponents bit with Pittsburgh is the matchups presented by each team. Like sometimes a power puncher can beat a finesse boxer, who then goes on to out-point a mauler who beat the power puncher.
  5. Rivers is very very good at beating pressure to find the open guy. And he has guys who will separate more quickly than one or more of Pitt’s WRs. The maddening thing about playing him is even when you dial up the blitz, and are getting pressure, he still manages to get the pass away.
  6. imo, KC’s stouter in the middle of their d than SD, but weaker on the perimeter.
  7. LT’s pretty much the same RB he’s always been, and his stock has fallen and risen in direct proportion to the performance of the SD O-Line. I’m sure his wife’s pregnancy has put a smile on his face, but it’s of far less import to his play than the O-Line.
  8. No question Charles brings more threats than LJ. I wasn’t in a hurry to see him featured until the KC O-Line started getting some things done. LJ was rugged enough to come back after being repeatedly mauled by d-linemen in the backfield. Much as I like winning NOW, I also don’t like seeing putting the better back in a bad situation. Hell, I’d’ve been OK with starting Thigpen all year for the same reasons. Fix that line, then look to your O-backfield.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 27, 2009 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

A few points of contention...

Your perception of Rivers as an a-hole seems way off. In interviews he is incredibly humble and credits his linemen, receivers and coaches for pretty much everything. Also, his trash talk on the field is just how he plays the game. He’s never profane. The guy just likes to talk.

Tomlinson is not the same back he was. His cuts aren’t as sharp. His acceleration is not as fast. His top end speed is diminished. His balance is not even close to what it was before.

Charles is not even close to the talent LJ was, but he’s a better player than LJ is currently. You’re right about the o-line, though. Without talent on the line your skill position players don’t matter.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 28, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Bill Romanowski was a teddy bear in interviews, too. I just feel like Rivers looks and acts like the kid who was a real punk. I understand a SD fan wanting to defend his honor, and I apologize for telling it like I feel it. But at least you know I won’t lie to you to spare your feelings. :o)

He’s probably not the dominant player he was, but neither is the SD O-Line the dominant force it was. They seem to be catching on, though, and as they improve, so does LT.

Charles has MORE talent than LJ ever had. LJ was one of the toughest RBs ever, but not an all-around back. Plenty good enough behind the O-Line that Vermeil built, with enough speed to break some big ones, but not great speed, and never top-shelf in terms of pass protection and receiving skills.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 28, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's my question for you.

Will you refrain from coming into our game threads and being a complete douche like you did the last time we played?

We know the Chargers are a better team than we are, but can you be decent and civil fan?

I would like to see you behave as a responsible and civil adult this week, John (obviousman).

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 27, 2009 10:11 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Careful DTR, if you hurt John’s feelings, he’ll ban you from his awesome blog

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 28, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Reckon you got enough zeroes in there?

Come on guys, lighten up. It’s a division game, but at the end of the day it’s a bunch of guys who don’t comment these boards and don’t give a rip what any of us say. As pedantic an ass John was when he arrived, he’s apologized for it and y’all need to ease up on him.

Just one guy’s two cents.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 28, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

John (obviousman) was a blatant ass in our game threads

I initially stood up for him in the game threads, but his behavior was horrid.

If I were still a moderator, and he was a member of AP, I would have banned him. The fact that he is the managing editor of an SB Nation Blog and behaved like a vulgar and immature troll is reprehensible.

This isn’t about lightening up, it is about the leadership of an SB Nation blog coming into our game threads and behaving worse than mot of our own members we have banned.

I have zero respect for that and his blog. I want point out that his behavior does not apply to the other BFTB members who behave do civilly, just as I would not want you to judge all of AP by those unruly members who go to BFTB to behave poorly.

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 28, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

* I apologize for the typos.

Damn youz, typos!

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 28, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, you will learn to type someday.:)

Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.

by Eric Allen on Nov 28, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn youz, Eric!

:)

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 28, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He won't....I will not hesitate to ban anyone...

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by woodman212 on Nov 29, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll let you know when you can start speaking for me.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 29, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Cute

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 29, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

banned

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by woodman212 on Nov 29, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought I only posted 1 or 2 comments in the game threads.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 29, 2009 6:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you forgot ...

… the “that didn’t get deleted by the moderators” at the end of that sentence.

by JacinB on Nov 29, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

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by woodman212 on Nov 29, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We appear to have come full circle.

John appears to take his football seriously, and makes some good points. But comes across, intentionally or not, as being rather full of himself.

There were an awful lot of shots-from-the-hip from APers that weren’t really backed up with facts.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions  

Mills,

He came into our game threads the first game this season and was vulgar and blatantly trolling.

Most everything has since been deleted. Those of us referencing this saw it, and that is why we are voicing these opinions.

-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.

-"All praise Chiefus."

by DThomasReigns on Nov 29, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably why I gave "Obviousman" such a bad connotation in my mind.

Prejudice by experience.

How does a troll become an authority on BTFB?

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

He sobers up and becomes mature.

You’re good people, Mills.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 29, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

H/T

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 29, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

hey john

keep u head up i have u back

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

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