Herm Heaps Praise On a Few Chiefs Players
by Joel Thorman on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM CST
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This morning former Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards appeared on 810 WHB and talked about a few of the Chiefs players drafted under his tenure with the organization.
He had some nice words for Andy Studebaker, signed November 2008, Tamba Hali, drafted April 2006, and Jamaal Charles, drafted April 2008.
Herm's viewpoint is unique because he was involved in acquiring all of these players. It's interesting to see how things turned out.
Herm's demeanor is always very positive but it's interesting to notice that he talks about the players acquired in his time with the Chiefs because there aren't a whole lot of those guys left.
After the jump, a little more into the reasons behind acquiring these players and a little bit on Chris Chambers.
The defensive MVP of the game, LB Andy Studebaker, was signed by the Herm regime in November of last year. Herm says that despite him originally playing defensive end, the 3-4 defense is built for him.
"The 3-4 defense is built for him because he's a rush guy, a very athletic guy and big guy that can run. He's a guy that stays in the weight room, a good offseason kinda guy. The kinda guy you want on your football team."
Herm also talked about Tamba Hali. He said that when he drafted him in 2006, the first thing you noticed was his motor.
"He plays relentless and he keeps coming. You have to block the guy. He can disrupt the passing game because you always have to account for him."
He also says that Chris Chambers is a guy that wants the ball in a big game. He's been in playoff games and made big plays.
"He knows in his career, this is his last go around. This is probably going to be it for Chris Chambers. He gets that and he's on this team helping a young football team."
Herm also talked about one of his personal favorites, Jon McGraw.
"He's the ultimate pro on and off the field. He's a great human being. His family is fantastic. You can't wish nothing but the best for Jon McGraw."
Herm also had a nice comment regarding Jamaal Charles.
"I think Jamaal had a great day and I think that's why you draft players like that."
Of course, Herm and Co. drafted Charles.
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Cassel and Succop also came thru big time
Neither of those are Herm players. Brandon Carr (herm player) got embarrassed on a couple of plays, but good to see that he held it together in the OT and didn’t get burned there too.
Did Flowers do anything? What about Colquitt? It seems like you think Herm is trying to somehow take credit for the win, he’s not. He’s just giving his view on players he coached.
Yep
Because he’s the one who originally acquired them.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 23, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Herm has never said anything negative about the Chiefs (publicly)
Very class guy, no matter how many people pile on him. IMO, he is a very good personnel guy.
by TonyG88 on Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
He’s somehow still positive even when he’s critiquing a team.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
always loved
and admired herm’s philosophy toward life and football. so positive, get things fixed and get em next week, cant dwell on things, etc. I think he would be an excellent college coach, and a molder/shaper of young men.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
He's a good dude
It’s hard to dislike Herm since he’s such a good guy and did acquire some nice pieces for us. He’s not cut out to be a HC, but I sure wouldn’t mind seeing him as a DC.
Agree. Being a head coach is not for him but that doesn't change the fact that.....
he’s a great, classy guy.
I think Herm has been great as an analyst
Love his Monday morning segments on 810.
"What?!?! I aint no Obama for the weed!"
-Turk McBride
Great analyst, good personell guy.
But he’s just not HC material. His place is either on ESPN or out scouting college guys.
And yes, classy guy. Good personality.
My only gripe with him was his coaching. Period. OTher than that I like the guy.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions
Given that few of his players are left
what would lead you to believe he is a good personnel guy? Trent vs. Huard in the Colts playoff game? LJ? The draft? Going soft on players in training camp? Developing QBs and offensive linemen? Will Svitek? Looking for any tidbits of evidence. Not finding much.
because a lot of the ones that are gone
are still contributing to other teams?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
What few of his players are left? Are you not aware that the last 2 drafts of his tenure likely had A LOT of his input and decisions?
Dorsey, Albert, Flowers, Carr, Bowe, Charles
7 starters that were brought in under Herm’s tenure. And you must not have read my entire post. I SAID HE WAS A BAD COACH. Read it again. I specifically clarified even by saying his place on a team should be in scouting. He could get raw talent, but he couldn’t get it developed… i.e. he couldn’t coach.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Tyler, McBride, Pollard
still playing.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 23, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Herman's potential
Herman would make an outstanding D-backs coach, or probably a pretty good defensive coordinator.
He’d also probably be a pretty good college head coach, because I predict he’d be a good recruiter, and that is a huge factor in college football. If you’re a great recruiter, that can overcome a lot of other coaching issues like clock management, etc..
He is an awful NFL head coach though. I’m glad he’s gone, and I sure wish we never traded a 4th round pick for him.
by Offense of the 70s on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions
Its a lot easier
to like Herm now that he isn’t the coach anymore
Before you build yourself up, you must tear somebody else down.
by Zennedy on Nov 23, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yup.
Charles, Studebaker and Tamba Hali are 3 of 30 (or, more accruately, 3 of 53).
Add in Albert, Bradley, Cottam, Cox, Croyle, Niswanger, Savage, Kolby Smith, Wade Smith on Offense and Carr, Dorsey, Flowers, Gilberry, Leggett, Demorrio Williams, DaJuan Morgan and a number of others on Defense and the number of guys that Herm brought here — both through Free Agency and the Draft — that Pioli and Haley have chosen to retain starts to look a lot better.
Wow, really Ren?
Colquitt, Albert, Charles, Bowe, Dorsey, Hali, Carr, Flowers, Colquitt, Page, Kolby Smith, Morgan, and Cottam are ALL still around. That’s a lot more than 3, and that’s what I know off the top of my head. And that doesn’t account for regime change OR the change to a 3-4 defense. But nice try
chambers?
Will we resign him? Funny thing about waivers. If he’s cleared, we would have chosen a contender. A team like the Giants or Ravens maybe.
If we can get a few more wins,
I think we can get him to stay. The guy is turning into another Eddie Kennison.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 23, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be shocked if he didn't come back.
A few more wins or not. We wanted him at a time when he felt like his world was falling apart. He was having family issues and his team gave up on him.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I also think with a couple more wins, Chiefs can attract better WR or free agents in general to sign with the Chiefs...
The promise of the teams future will be seen eventually and people will hop aboard :]
It's good to see the position softening on Herm.
He wasn’t a good HC and/or this wasn’t the right situation for him. But he is a great guy and deserves respect for how he handled himself through his time in KC and after,
I hope that, over time, the same thing will happen for Peterson. I have met Carl several times and I have family that knows him very well. People talk about him like he’s the 3rd anti-christ. It was clear that it was time for him to go and it’s unfortunate that he never took this team to the ultimate goal. But, I can tell you that nobody cares more about Kansas City, The Chiefs and Chiefs fans than CP.
He made pleanty of mistakes, but he’s a class guy. Amongst those who know him, he’s renonwn for his generosity and random acts of kindness. He doesn’t get near the credit he deserves for turning KC into a Chiefs town. When he arrived we were the laughing stock of the league. The Stadium was empty. This was a baseball town. You never saw people wearing Chiefs gear. The Parking Lot wasn’t a party, it was a graveyard. CP, more than anyone else, changed the fortunes of our team and the culture of this town.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 1:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
CARL PETERSON??? BOOOOO!!!!
Just kidding. He did a lot to change the image of KC…. but he stayed about 10 years too long.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 23, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I was ready for him to go, but he is the reason I’m a Chiefs fan. I remember getting spanked as a kid watching the Steelers lose and I popped one of this punching bag balloons I was holding .
It wasn’t until Tecmo Bowl, Christian Okoye, and Derrick Thomas that I knew the Chiefs existed. I owe Carl thanks for making me a lifelong Chiefs fan.
by Ryan in Nixa on Nov 23, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Marketing the franchise, putting asses in seats, selling team merchandise
and putting money in the coffers is one thing. And no doubt he should get credit for that.
BUT THE MAN WAS ALSO HIRED TO GET TO THE PROMISED LAND.
And there he FAILED, plain ans simple.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 23, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
His teams also won a hell of a lot of games and made many playoff appearances
I said it was time for him to go and that he never delivered a SB. My point is that so many people here act like he’s a terrible person. He isn’t. He actually a very good guywho deserves as much credit for teh good things he did as blame for the bad.
Lay off your caps lock and let it go man…let it go.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with what you said 100%
I, too, hope that a little time will heal when it comes to Carl. Whether or not you agree or disagree with some of his decisions is irrelevant. Right or wrong…the man did everything he did out of love for the Chiefs. Outside of Lamar Hunt himself, maybe…there is nobody who cared about this team more than Carl did.
I agree Carl did a decent Job for us
We rail on him for the Ryan Sims type draft picks and Shawn Barber free agents, but for every one of those there is a Tony Gonzalez and free agents like Marcus Allen and Priest Holmes.
The truth is right in between Carl being terrible and Carl being great, he had average drafts and ran an average team for the most part. Just stayed 5 or so years to long
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