Charlie Weis already offered the Chiefs 2010 OC job?
by Larryemcdaniel on Nov 23, 2009 11:16 AM CST
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PrintThis site claims to have breaking news that, if Charlie Weis is fired by Notre Dame, Scott Pioli has already offered him the Chiefs offensive coordinator job for 2010. I'm not sure how creditable this site is, but if this is true, Id be happy about it. Yes Haley called a terrific game in the second half yesterday, but I would like for him to focus on coaching the entire team. Even if he remains the QB coach next season, its still a step in the right direction.
Link: Footballcoachscoop.com/scoop.html
Making this move, would add another super bowl offensive mind to the coaching staff. It will also give the team more creditability with players in free agency. I also hope we pursue Romeo Crennel, yet another super bowl coach that can be added to the staff. If these two guys come in, expect a couple of things in the offseason...
-We will make a major push for Vince Wilork, if he is not franchised
-We will probably draft WR Golden Tate in the 2nd round (if available)
-More premier free agents make their way to KC, than in prior years
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Yes I think the Chiefs need an Offensive Coordinator next season to allow Haley to be just the head coach. Is Weis the answer, I’m not sure. There are a few names out there who might be offered the job and while The GM does the hiring it has to match up with Haley’s game plan. Sounds like this could be a good thing but it is the match that has me wondering.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
This Chiefs team is closer to a new expansion team than it is a playoff contender, your expectations should match that.
this would be great
I’d love Wiess, Crennel, Wilfork and Tate to be in KC next year!
Not sure I trust that site, and it’s pretty early to speculate… but, yeah… I’d be up for it
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
ESPN
ESPN insider has a rumor on Weis, but I dont have access to it. I think a few sites are reporting this.
by Larryemcdaniel on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'm still leaning at what someone said a week or two ago about Haley grooming
Carthon or someone on staff already to take over. I wouldn’t be disappointed by any means with Weis, just kinda blahh on the whole thing right now.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Don't Want Carthon
The man’s been a failure as an OC at two different stops. No thanks on having him do that job here. I’d rather have Weis.
Hell, I’d rather have Paul Hackett (and Hackett ain’t good).
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"Cant" Hackett? I remember them days
Didnt know that about Carthon, thx!
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He Got Fired By The Browns Midseason 2006
His offense was ranked dead last in the NFL and much of the criticism was centered around his playcalling. They improved after he left. He’s basically produced nothing in any of his stops as either a position coach or coordinator…he’s milked his time as a Parcells player for a pretty long career.
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i just cant trust a guy who looks like two toothpicks holding up a bowl...
i mean seriously, this is football….what is wrong with the guy. Does he have a excuse for his obesity? Players have to look at them and say “damn coach”….man- boobs and all…
Tom Moore Is Kind Of A Fatty
And he’s doing a pretty darned good job with Indy.
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The defensive coordinator for Texas Tech.
The man is a sphere on legs. I don’t remember his name but I can’t get the image of him trying to run on the sidelines out of my head.
Consistency is only a value if you are not a screw up.
Was it this guy?
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by craig in calgary on Nov 23, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Does the chick look like miley cyrus to you?
Does to me.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
Are you being serious?
That is one BIG ASS DUDE….
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
and he has no nipples
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
i think we found our new NT of the future!
by MountainManMike on Nov 23, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
and defensive tackle and middel linebacker and safety and...
He freaking huge!
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Hey, with the KC offseason program it might not last.
If nothing else, he can be in charge of keeping the diaretics away from the team.
If they want to do it right,
the decision will be Haley’s as to who (if anyone) he wants to bring in to be the OC.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
agree
if Haley jumps on this, it will be fine, I hope. If he has any reservations, I say screw it and let him find his own.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Nov 23, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100%.
I really think wies would be an excellent choice, but this needs to be Haley’s decision. It is a mistake for the GM to force HC to hire coordinators. I think Crennel and Weis would be excellent choices and would help Haley greatly, but Haley needs to be involved in this decision.
by saskwatch on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree too. It's Haley team, up or down, and he needs to be able to make his own
decisions. Maybe he would rather have a good active QB coach that assisted him but the final signal calling would still be his. Haley is just getting started and needs to make his own decisions.
The link didnt work for me
then again my wife doesn’t either…lmao
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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by Lanier63 on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'd Be Good With That
Weis damn sure isn’t going back to Notre Dame next year…not after losing to Navy twice in three years (at home). Haley did a better job but he still needs an OC. If he can work with Charlie Weis, then I’d be happy with Weis as the hire. The man appeared to be a capable NFL OC with the Patriots and I think he’d be a good fit here…he just isn’t cut out to be a head coach.
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It is hard to tell whether or not he is or isn't Head Coach material
Notre Dame is a tough place to coach and college is a different beast.
Consistency is only a value if you are not a screw up.
He Gets Top 20 Recruiting Classes Every Year
And he doesn’t win shit. He also loses games to teams that talent alone dictates he shouldn’t be losing to. In fact, Notre Dame dumbed down their schedule this year just to improve their record and they’re still not good.
Weis sucks.
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Not that I pay a whole lot of attention, but I don't think Notre Dame has been near as big a draw for talent
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
False
Weis just isn’t capable of running his own program, especially at the college level. It’s a whole different ballgame trying to coach college kids, who have much more than just football among their obligations. I think Weis would be fine if he were just in charge of the offense.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 23, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm
I think you posted a comment in response to my headline without actually reading what I wrote for the comment. :) I agree that Weis can’t run a program. He’s been a good recruiter, but he has no idea how to manage that talent.
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Isn't Weis still in the middle of a 10 year contract?
I know he’s not doing as great as they hoped, but thats alot of cash they still owe him.
…and yes if he does come, he should bring Golden Tate with him :)
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by craig in calgary on Nov 23, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions
Yup
That ranked right up there in the echelon of “worst extensions ever”. The previous Notre Dame AD gave him a 10 year extension during his first season there after (as Whitlock very accurately noted) Weis didn’t win a single game he wasn’t expected to win. And he’s been making the Irish pay for it ever since.
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I'm throwing the BS flag on this report.
Weis still is employed. He still has a game to coach. It would be beyone un-professional for either the Chiefs to approach, or Weiss to listen to any conversation like the one being reported.
There is a lot of wishful thinking, and past connections feeding these rumors, but at this time that’s all they appear to be.
It should be a BS blanket
I’m not saying he won’t end up here. But to state that it’s already been offered is ludicrous.
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by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Bah
It’s not unprofessional. That’s football. College coaches get approached for jobs all the time. And considering the speculation about his future, I doubt Notre Dame cares. The players know that Weis probably isn’t coming back next year. If the Chiefs talked to him, it’s not much more of a distraction.
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Kind of like Albert Haynesworth being signed 5 seconds after the start of Free Agency
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by craig in calgary on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
I though it was 4.5? :)
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Apples To Oranges
The NFL and the NCAA are two different organizations. Player tampering within the NFL has no relevance to an NFL team approaching a college coach.
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Tampering is tampering
Weis is under contract. If the Chiefs were sued for tampering who cares if the lawsuit comes from an NFL or a NCAA team.
That being said how did Arkansas not get sued by Atlanta for negotiating with Bobby Petrino while he was under contract? Or Nick Saban with the Dolphins? Hmmmm, it appears this might be the first time I’m wrong about something on AP
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by craig in calgary on Nov 23, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
An NFL Team Calling An NCAA Coach Isn't Tampering
Tampering as far as the NFL goes is something that can only occur within the NFL. It’s about maintaining competitive balance.
If the Chiefs were sued for tampering who cares if the lawsuit comes from an NFL or a NCAA team.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with one organization trying to poach employees from another organization. Happens all the time in the real world. The NCAA has nothing to do with the NFL. The only way the Chiefs would be wrong is if the NFL has rules against contacting NCAA coaches in-season, which to my knowledge they don’t.
That being said how did Arkansas not get sued by Atlanta for negotiating with Bobby Petrino while he was under contract?
Because the NCAA is under no restriction from contacting NFL coaches in-season because the NCAA and the NFL are two completely different organizations. It would be a frivolous lawsuit. The only person Atlanta could sue would be Petrino…they had no basis for suing Arkansas. Same deal with Saban.
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Basically
The Falcons could have sued Petrino for violating the terms of his contract (depending on the terms of that contract) or the Dolphins could have sued Saban for violating the terms of his contract (depending on the terms of his contract) but those teams have no basis to sue colleges for attempting to hire their coaches away. The same is true of the NCAA getting their coaches poached by the NFL. Neither is bound by the other’s rules.
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Usually a coaching contract
has certain buyouts that apply to a guy taking other NFL positions.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 24, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
That's What I Was Saying
Unless the terms of a contract deal with it, though, there’s nothing unethical or illegal with an NFL team poaching a college team’s coach or vice versa. And even if the contract is written up to include that possibility, it’s the individual who’s liable for damages, not the team trying to hire him.
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I assume it'll be all about the "fit"
Not sure who else might be out there, but I like Weis.
All the connections look to be there: the Parcels link, NE… heck, it looks like Haley worked under Weis on the Jets.
I assume that means Haley and Weis are both Erhardt – Perkins guys, but then again, I think Chan did as well.
It makes me wonder what kind of philosophical match Haley is looking for.
But I don't think they're RUNNING E-P, from what little I know of E-P.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Haha
They are talking about Weis being in KC on the Jim Rome show right now.
He has a guest host who is just laughing it off.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions
is the guest host Whitlock? lol
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hey
remember when whitlock would fill in on there? That was almost as bad as some of rome’s interviews…
by jakethesnake27 on Nov 23, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but.....
I voted for Haley to stay the OC, or maybe promote someone like Carthon to OC but Haley is still the one calling the plays. I agree he needs to lesson his duties (hire a QB coach, for sure) but I think it would be a mistake to hire a new OC that would come in and want to teach a new playbook. They are just now finding their rhythm with Haley and getting comfortable with his system. I think we would be better off not changing things in the offseason, just get Haley a little more help so he can delagate more.
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Me too as I stated above. Haley is his own man and should do it however he wants.
He doesn’t really need an OC. Haley’s not going to be standing there and waiting for someone else to call the plays. Just not his nature. He just needs a good assistant, maybe a QB coach, to stand with him, suggest plays and back him up.
I'm with you guys.
And I don’t think there needs to be any hard-and-fast or conventional division of labor. Just something that works for the coaches and team.
The fact is that a higher percentage of HC-OC playcallers have won championships than non HC-OC playcallers.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Not Sure
Haley has made it clear he wants things his way and I’m not sure Weis would fit. Weis would want control of the offense as his resume backs up so personally I do not see this happening. Haley might bring in someone to to help him and right now I think that person is going to be Carthon buut we will see. (Its bound to be a YES boy, Gailey got the boot and so will anyone else whos not on with Haleys way).
It doesn't have to be a yes man
There just has to be agreement on what system to run. Letting go of Gailey was about a dispute over what system to run. The firing set us back this year. We had to put in a new system on the fly and teh early results were miserable. It does put us ahead of the game for next year. We won’t have to install a new system this offseason because we’re experiencing that pain now.
I don’t much care who they decide to hire as OC so long as it’s a proven playcaller who is comfortable in this system.
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by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't Wies and Haley run the same offense for the most part?
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
I think so. I think it was the pace of practice and the pace in games.
Haley’s all about TEMPO, as Chris Chambers pointed out. Largo – accelerando! – Moderato – accelerando! – ALLEGRO!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
If nothing else...
They have to do some on the D side… Allowing this many yards is inexcusable.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
thing^
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 23, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure about that.
Take about 100 yards off the top for the INT return. Take another 100 off for other turnovers, and the numbers look reasonable. “Normal” interpretation of stats leads many to foolish conclusions, not that you’re being foolish, here, but I think that stats have more meaning when all things are otherwise equal, and it was CLEAR coming into this game that things were NOT equal, and the Chiefs needed tactics and strategy that didn’t come off the shelf in a box tied with a ribbon.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
My hero
Tactics and Strategy :)
Tactics short range aim
Strategy End goal
Can be at odds on occasion!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 24, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN NEWS
ESPN News just acknowledged the rumor, stating “Charlie Weis is said to already have the coordinator position locked up”
I call BS at this point.
Not one name has been linked to the source of the “rumor” that I have seen. I think some guy with a deadline just made it up since Pioli and Wies were together in NE. Seemed like a natural fit, so why not print it? I’ll wait for Adam Schefter or Peter King to confirm.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Chris Mortenson?
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Pass. Too many "mistakes" lately.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
Wont be surprised if he's here or not
I will be surprised if he isnt fired by Notre Dame. Losing against Navy and Uconn at home is pretty bad for a team who is “supposed” to have the credentials of football that Notre Dame has.
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Agreed
If after five years you can’t win at Notre Dame, you’re not that good of a football coach. And the Notre Dame fans and administration know it…Weis is toast.
But being a crappy head coach (which Weis is) doesn’t mean he’s not able to be a good offensive coordinator. He could very possibly just be a victim of the Peter Principle.
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I would be estatic if either Weis or Crennel came here to be our OC/DC
They are both EXCELLENT coordinators in my opinion and would be a huge help to mentoring young players. They aren’t so hot as Head Coaches though, but I refuse to believe that Bill Belicheck is the only reason why New England has success (besides TB, of course)
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
We're trying to purge ourselves of bad attitudes and losers...
Weis has done nothing but sit smugly behind a microphone and talk down to the media and lose football games. Tom Brady made C.W. not the other way around. We are trying to win so don’t hire losers.
Fun fact about Weis
In 2002, Weis underwent gastric bypass surgery, after which he lost 90 lb (41 kg; 6.4 st) from his top weight of 350 lb (160 kg; 25 st).3435 When asked why he underwent surgery, Weis stated he was afraid he would “drop dead” from obesity.36 Due to complications from the surgery, Weis spent two weeks in a coma and nearly died. Weis was so close to death that he reportedly received the Catholic last rites.37 Weis later sued the doctors who performed the surgery for malpractice and lost. A major reason cited for the jury’s decision is that Weis ignored doctors’ advice and pushed to have the operation done quickly, rather than going through a recommended six-week preoperative program.38
Yea...I remember that...
Understandable that he wanted it quick…maybe more argument for Goodell’s point that there is too much offseason work for coaches and players…
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Don't really get the obssession with Weis as OC
His offenses ranks are as follows:
1997 Jets 22nd
1998 Jets 4th
1999 Jets 25th
2000 Pats 22nd
2001 Pats 19th
2002 Pats 21st
2003 Pats 21st
2004 Pats 7th
He had a couple of years in the top 10, but the rest of the time was in the bottom half of the league. Whats the big deal?
He was the offensive coordinator
For arguably the greatest SB QB of all time for a team who routinely filmed the oppositions defenses before games to game plan. So ya. He’s awesome.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 23, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yes that is an impressive resume
explains a lot of the Weis Myth.
He should just retire on his money from ND and leave the Chiefs alone
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And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 23, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
EESH.....
That isnt too hot after all. Thought he was A LOT better then that…
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
Let Haley hire his own man
But I REALLY WANT Mr Crennel to coach here whenever he feels ready and healthy
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
Crennel
Has a little more force behind him because he had back to back top 10 defenses, but his record isn’t great either.
2000 Browns 26th
2001 Pats 24th
2002 Pats 23rd
2003 Pats 7th
2004 Pats 9th
2005 Browns 16th As head coach
2006 Browns 27th As head coach
2007 Browns 30th As head coach
2008 Browns 26th As head coach
And you have to give at least some of the credit for the Patriot years to Bellichick who is an outstanding defensive coach.
So while I am not as pessimistic about Crennel as I am Weiss, I don’t know I would be doing cartwheels and stuff if he came on board.
ANYTHING is better than Pendergast to me
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
So you'd be cool with Gunther?
Or Robinson?
;)
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
You know what i mean ;)
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
I'd rather have a DC who calls 'em the way _I_ see 'em,
and isn’t just a mediocre beneficiary of superior talent. With the lack of speed in the KC safeties, if Clancy were calling plays the way everyone could understand, the Chiefs would be at 0-10.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
So Clancy with some D first talent can make a
Pig with lipstick look good at closing time :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 24, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Bullshit. I'll swear to my dying day that somebody stuck me with that swine after I passed out.
I’ve just seen good coordinators lose traction due to poor GM, and mediocre coordinators made famous by great players.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I'm Not All That Excited About Crennel Either
Honestly, I didn’t think the Patriots defense was all that when he was in charge and I’m of the opinion that most of the people who work for Belichick are riding Belichick’s coattails rather than possessing a lot of innate talent on their own.
It’s a long list of coaches who worked for Billy B then flamed out once they didn’t work for him. Long enough to make me wary about the Chiefs hiring anyone who worked for the man.
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I'm not a fan of yardage as a Defensive ranking
During the Crennel years in NE his Ds were exceptional in the scoring category.
2001 6th
2002 17th
2003 1st
2004 2nd
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by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I was initially interested in seeing Weis com in (particularly with Haley’s play-calling), and at least somewhat interested in seeing Crennel too…but the more I think about it, the more I’d rather have some fresh up-and-coming talent take over the coordinator positions. Who’s going to be more motivated to work the 15 hr days needed, older retreads who already have millions in the bank or younger guys out to prove themselves?
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
I need to go find the reference
but last winter sometime I read a study that showed that HC do better in their 1st ten years than any time thereafter (or something like that). This is why I was hoping we’d do exactly what you are saying and pick up a coordinator (Haley) rather than Shanahan or some other retread HC.
The two retread guys I’d be willing to gamble on are Cowher and Belichick.
I’m all for the same strategy for the coordinator slots.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
I've Seen That Before As Well
Actually, you just need to tally up coaches’ records and it bears that out. Don Shula, Tom Landry, Dan Reeves, and Bill Parcells are all examples of this. Generally, if a HC can’t produce a Super Bowl in his first 10 years, he’s extremely unlikely to do so afterwards.
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I've not really paid attention to who might be available
As far as offense goes, I like the design of a lot of Haley’s plays. I just don’t like him calling them right now while he’s trying to learn how to be a head coach. :)
I would have no problem if he promoted one of the guys on his staff to call plays with him giving heavy input.
As for DC, I’ll have to wait until after the season and see what options are available. I don’t like talking up guys that there might be no chance of coming here.
I just wonder if Al Saunders
had better offensive rankings as O Coord? And I think he is somewhat available…
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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And he ain't got hopes of a HC gig anymore.
That might be the type of guy we are looking for :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 24, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, Cowher is coming back to be the D Coordinator
…wants to get back to his roots. You heard it here first.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
Then we should ask him to play LB
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by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
How close are we to giving up the most yards in a season?
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
Not even close
the record is 6793 by Balt in 1981
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by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, and that's not even 16 games right?
I was thinking we might be getting close.
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by idahochieffan on Nov 23, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
They gave up 33.3 ppg that season
Another record
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
by KCSatchmo on Nov 23, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Weis would bring his own system, right?
Are we trying to set a record for number of offensive systems used in a 12 month period of time?
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
As much as the current FO/CS loves its connection hires..
I think they’ll have to step out of the box to get a solid hire from someone they don’t know wing it on a position coach from a winning program…
I’m talking a Keith Butler (LB coach for the Steelers) type hire promoted to DC or something along those lines…
THats off topic I don't really want Weiss as OC...
I was for it a while back but the more I see it the less I like it…I don’t know something just doesn’t click with me…I think maybe Charlie could be a decent QB coach though but I doubt he’d take such a position…
by butchcassidy on Nov 24, 2009 6:42 AM CST up reply actions
Well
The nice thing about that would be that he wouldn’t have to care about money considering the buyout ND will have to pay him. :)
But I think someone will hire him as an OC if the Chiefs don’t. He flamed out as a head coach, but his reputation as a coordinator is still good and guys can get by for years on reputation (even if the results don’t support it).
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We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09. Almost there :)
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Skins & Raiders! Pittsburgh Sweet!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 24, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
RE
I have followed that site for a few years, footballscoop.com. Their not 100% accurate but once in a wwhile they are locked in on some insider stuff. But for the most part they their a blog for informed speculation, ie. “we hear Lew perkins is getting ready to make a move”. Anybody in the KC metro area could tell you that much..
imagine
if weis comes in drafts golden tate and maybe even drags jeff samardzija from chicago over here? wow.
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
I have no idea about the link However I heard similar things from the four letter
John Clayton was saying that Weis to KC was a big possibility. Weis not only knows Pioli but he is connected to Haley. Money would not be an issue because the guy gets a ridiculous buyout from ND. As well, if he got fired now the Chiefs could snatch him up now, let him work as a consultant and learn how his offense and Haley’s offenses are similar so he can hit the ground running going in to next season.
Look for Haley to be deeply involved on offense.
Personally, I’d rather see a younger guy come in @ QB coach, and maybe have an expanded(ing) role in OC duties. But if he survives this year, and feels he’s found how to mange all his duties, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Haley kept his hand on the tiller on offense.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
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