Keyshawn Defends Chiefs Coach Haley
Former NFL player and current ESPN broadcaster Keyshawn Johnson defended Kansas City Chiefs coach Todd Haley. The two are familiar with each other as Haley's father, Dick, drafted Johnson in 1996 while the younger Haley was his position coach with the New York Jets and years later with the Dallas Cowboys.
"Todd grew up around football," Johnson said via John Harris of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "He coached me to two Pro Bowls. His father drafted me with the Jets,'' said Johnson.
"Here's a guy that (supposedly) doesn't know anything about football, but I got two Pro Bowls out of him."
Haley's promotion to receivers coach came in 1999 with the Jets. Johnson already had one Pro Bowl under his belt but Haley helped him keep it up to earn another berth in 1999.
I think Johnson's words are important because it's, gasp, a former player that actually likes Haley. When we talk about Haley, some point out how players react to him. With his hard-nosed style, why would any free agents choose to come here, we ask.
Well, according to Johnson, he didn't have a problem playing for him. It probably doesn't hurt that Haley has said Johnson is the best he's ever coached. That includes Larry Fitzgerald of the Cardinals, who has also consistently pointed to Haley as a major factor in his career ascension. Kurt Warner also says Todd had a lot to do with the Cardinals offensive prowess.
Even Anquan Boldin said he wouldn't mind playing for a Haley-coached team.
While there are players like Bernard Pollard who feel they didn't get a fair shake with this new Chiefs regime, I think it's only fair that we point out when players feel Haley helped them become better players.
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Johnson has said this for a long time
This is not the first time K. Johnson has talked up Haley. He wanted Haley to be the HC of the Cowboys. Larry Fitzgerald and Kurt Warner have made no secret of their admiration for Haley as a coach and a friend.
This Haley-bashing is tied to the Chiefs win/loss record. The desire to make Haley out as a bad person is not based on personal knowledge of Haley, it is based out of an anger over the Chiefs being a terrible organization and Haley ruffling the feathers of players who fans have an emotional investment.
We’ll know how good or bad Haley is as a head coach towards the end of next year. We’ll get clues this off-season as we watch him with his coaching staff. Bill Cowher was a screamer. That was an issue only when the Steelers were down a bit. The fact is, every HC needs a great QB and a little bit of talent around him. If Pioli does his job, we’ll find out how good Cassel is. If Cassel is a flop, then Haley will be a flop.
If Haley was a hated man by the people he’s coached, Pioli wouldn’t have hired him. Keyshawn is one of many who respect/like Haley.
by ChiefConcern on Nov 22, 2009 9:16 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I gotta agree with you...
If we were to have gone 8/8 this season or better this conversation wouldn’t even be taken place. Getting 8 wins is a major improvement especially with this schedule. 8/8 would have said that he was a great emotional motivational coach(Marty, Cowher, Dungy).
Unfortunately the wins have yet to come… Next year it appears we will have a much easier schedule, and wins should come. Otherwise I will be ready to shot the coach.
And I just don't get the sense that Cassel is a flop....
I get that there are still Cassel skeptics, but I’m not one of them. We’ve seen what he does when he’s given time. He makes plays. He’s given us at least 3 clutch performances that either won the game for us (PIT), took us into over time (PIT, DAL), or gave us the lead and relied on the defense to finish the game (OAK). He’s shown the characteristics required to be a leader. Physical and mental toughness shows in his ability to peel himself off the ground after being sacked or hit time after time. He doesn’t let turnovers get to him. I like how he’s not throwing a lot of picks, and when he does turn the ball over (like against PIT) he doesn’t let it phase him. He bounces back.
I never expected Cassel to be a Brady or a Manning. The most we can legitimately hope for is a Trent Green, IMO. Look what he did in NE with a good overall team around him. He helped that team reach an 11-5 season. I like the guy. He’s been a constant leader in this crap season.
Cassel won’t be a flop, but he won’t be crazy great either. I expect a top 10 (probably around 7-10) once he has legitimate tools around him.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Top 10 *rank*
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Every Coach is a loser without talent
If you insert whoever you feel is the best HC available (or even not available) to this team – would the results be any different?
Straw Man
“Here’s a guy that (supposedly) doesn’t know anything about football, but I got two Pro Bowls out of him.”
Classic Keyshawn, attacking an argument that most people with half a brain aren’t making. I don’t think there are too many people saying that Haley “doesn’t know anything about football”. I don’t like Haley and even I’m not saying that. He ran a productive offense in Arizona and there weren’t many complaints about his WR corps during his stints as a position coach. I think there are quite a few people saying that Haley doesn’t know anything about how to run a football team in general, or how to act as a head coach, or how to delegate authority, or how not to stop being an asshole to players on the sidelines when he needs to be focusing on calling the right play in a timely manner.
I’d say the more accurate slam against Haley is that people are using is that he’s just doing a really bad job, even considering the talent level on hand.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
I think people project how THEY would react to Haley.
Some people resent strong authority figures in life, and there’s not really anything wrong with that. Coaches need to be strong authority figures. I think we saw with Herm what happens when they aren’t.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Thing Is, It's Not An Either/Or Proposition
I agree that Herm Edwards was too soft. Players didn’t respect him and they didn’t play for him. Thing is that putting a guy who gets in everyone’s grill and screams doesn’t automatically make that person a good football coach either. There’s a lot more to head coaching then personality…there’s the ability to build and manage a coaching staff, to effectively delegate authority, to manage a team on gameday, to make effective use of both “carrots” and “sticks” when motivating players to perform. Haley, from what I’ve seen, is pretty weak at all of those things.
A lot of times, when a team fails under one type of leader, the knee-jerk response is to go and find a guy with a completely different personality to run the team in order to “shake things up”. This is often a mistake, because it’s often just superficial change and unless it’s accompanied by improved coaching ability it doesn’t usually lead to any improvement in the team’s performance or direction. So when I see people laud Haley as an improvement because he’s a “disciplinarian”, I usually just think “If he’s so effective, then where’s the improvement in performance?” So far I haven’t seen anything to indicate that as a coach he’s any better than Herm Edwards was.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
A knee-jerk response
Would be to call for the Rookie Head Coach’s head 7 games into the season.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 22, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
At Least It's Based On Results
I don’t consider squeaking out two wins against the 2009 Raiders and Redskins to be “on the right path”. And I’ve seen enough pro football to recognize an inherently bad head coach. Todd Haley is an inherently bad head coach.
And I’ll make the same prediction on Haley that I did on Herm. The Chiefs will never make it back to the playoffs with him as our HC.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
I've done enough actual coaching to think Haley is doing things the right way.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
7 games
is not “based on results” as you always claim. There has been a ton of changes in this organization this offseason and season. The players are learning and adjusting to all those changes. It is hard to perform well during all of that and therefore a 7 game “evaluation” of this coach is unfair and not realistic to what his overall program might produce.
You, of course, will argue that Pioli and Haley were stupid to create that much change in the first place. I will argue, again, that any new GM/HC tandem would have produced similar amounts of change. And, if they had not, I’d be pissed because the team sucked really bad the last two years and needed to be changed.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
I thought you were off the fire Haley band wagon?
Surely this awesome victory last Sunday hasn’t already faded has it?
I’d argue that he is a better coach than Herm was. Granted, beating PIT was only one game, but Herm (as far as I can remember) never won a game like that. The odds were entirely stacked against us. And the team, as a whole, came together. And after Succop’s kick iced the win, Haley was mobbed by these players that so many people are accusing Haley of losing in the locker room. On Sunday I saw a coach and players that played for each other, and as a team. One game isn’t enough to declare Haley the best thing since Hank Stram, but I was almost positive it would silence his most aggressive critics for at least a week.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 24, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
My bad.
I didn’t see this was on the morning of the game.
November 22nd 2009: Chiefs win in OT vs the Steelers 27-24. This could be the turning point for the Chiefs to get back to being respected.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 24, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
UCrawford has it right.
I hate Haley and despise the job he’s doing, but I dont think he’s oblivious to football.
He knows how to coach receivers and maybe run a good offense, but thats a big maybe.
He had 2 future HOF players, maybe 3 last year as his only year as an OC. Most people could have figured out how to win with that, or at least get some good plays called.
We are now seeing his aptitude for the big picture, and aside from setting himself up for failure by letting Chan go, he is still not doing a good job.
And as a personal note, I hate assholes, which is pretty appearent that Haley is. I could forgive it if he was doing something productive with his attitude but all hes managed to do is scrape 2 wins out against the 2 most dysfunctional teams in the league. Some will say a win is a win, but I am far from convinced.
I’ll sing a different tune about his attitude if/when he wins, as he will have earned a right to treat people the way he does, but until then I think his attitude is far more detrimental to the team than it is good for it.
To Pioli-
Dorsey came into camp out of shape, he has sucked so far this preseason-
SHOP HIM AROUND!!!
LOOK FOR A GOOD YOUNG RT FOR DORSEY!!!
DO IT NOW!!!
Agreed
And if he shows results, I’ll eventually hop off the bandwagon. But I don’t think he’ll ever show results. I don’t think he realizes just how bad of a job he’s actually doing.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
again with the Haley asshole stuff - when will you guys give this up?
I think it’s very fair to say that the media wants to stir the shit because they think they need to in order to sell papers. So, what are they going to show us? Haley yelling or whatever. They have no incentive to show the other side. Of him encouraging players or coaching players, which you can occasionally see during the games when the tv accidentally shows it. The rest of this kind of behavior would occur in practice or locker room where the access doesn’t exist. So, can I prove he does these things? No. Nor can you prove otherwise. But, I am quite certain that he does these things. He could not be successful if he didn’t. And, he has been successful as position coach and coordinator and I think he will be here as well.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
Wow UC. You are definitely a "Show Me" Guy.
I think your analysis of Coach Haley has merit. I just think love him or hate him, it is way too early to define his attitude & capabilities.
Results will show their ugly head soon enough. Haley was left with a sinking ship. Way too many leaks & repairs for a sea worthy ship this year.
I have one good thing or two to say about Haley & this team that is undeniable. They are in good shape & they never give up. They are fighters & they have pride.
To me that is a good example of what is to come in the years ahead. We just need to pick up solid talent in the process.
Go Chiefs.
And That's Fair Enough
I don’t expect anyone else to hop on the bandwagon this early. But honestly, I just see a guy that doesn’t do a lot of his job very well, who seems way in over his head, and who I doubt players are going to care about winning for and I think KC could do better.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
Fire Haley now.
Save UCrawford's soul as a Chiefs fan...or lose your own. Take the bet.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/9/1123799/the-driver-of-the-fire-haley
i don't know if you've noticed
…but Haley has toned it down quite a bit, I think. He’s learning on the job, and at least he admits that he overreacts at times and"acts a fool" I think that acknowledging your shortcomings is a huge step in improving. this win pushed a lot of players that were on the fence firmly onto his side. Even reviled columnist Jason Whitlock seems to think so…..
I think you’ll see more wins, more players playing with more emotion, and i think we’re already seeing a much calmer, cooler more positive Todd Haley.
Of course Haley doesn't know how to run a team.....
It’s his first head coaching job. Who knows how to do a new job as soon as they start?
I tell you what though, he seems to be learning really fast.

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