5 ways the Chiefs get a win this Sunday

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 12:06 AM CST

I'm not confident the Chiefs can best the Steelers this Sunday. I hope the Chiefs can have a good game and keep this close. Before everyone crowns the Steelers with a victory, Lets go over some stats and what the Chiefs will have to do to beat the Steelers.

1. Run the Ball- I know They have a good run D. I think Ive heard people say it is number 1 in the league. From what I can find they are the 11thranked run D. They allow 95 yards a game on the ground. If the Chiefs can get 70 yards on the ground with an average of at least 4 yards a play, That gives us a better chance. This alone will not assure us a win, but if the are held to 3 rushing yards, it means the Steelers are winning the game by a couple TDS. The Chiefs have to get Charles going.

2. We have to keep Big Ben in the pocket- Not just in the pocket, but pressured in the pocket. Studebaker and Hali will have to step their game up. Big Ben is one of the best QBs in the league but what keeps him from being in the same sentencee as Brady and Manning is his tendency to make bad decisions. The Chiefs need to sack him when they get a hold of them. If Big Ben is able to shrug off our pass rushers, he will throw for 350 yds. Hali needs to wrap him up when he gets a hold of him and at least force him into an bad throw. The Steelers only average 206 yds threw the air, They are ranked 19th in the league.

3. We need a defensive or special teams TD- We need a boost, If we could score a TD on defense, it could get the D amped. Big Ben has only thrown 8 ints, If we could force 2 ints or fumbles, it would go along way. Are defense will have a tuff time stopping their medicoreoffense already, and our offense wont be able to keep up with theirs. Were gonna need pointshowever we can get them. We will also have to keep this game under 20 points.

4. Contain Mendenhall- If we can keep his numbers pedestrian, we could force them into being one dimensional. I know our pass D sucks but its would make it easier if we only had to stop one thing. Mendenhall either has a very good game or an average game. I dont think we can keep him under 50 yards, but right around there would be awesome. The Steelers are ranked 25th in the league at running the football. They seem to have gotten their running game going lately and their OGare definitly a strong point of their O Line.

5. Run draws, Sweeps, and Screens successfully- I know, Alot of people are going to cry about the draws. But the only shot we have of averaging 4 yards per carry is to get their defense out of place. Jamal Charles is alot better at these draw plays then LJ was. He is explosive ability adds an extra dimension to our offense. If we can get this aggressive defense out of position. Jamal could possibly break of some good runs. The Steelers are not the best team at handling Screens and Sweeps either.

Honestly, It isn't this simple. I feel that the Chiefs can keep this game close if we can do 1-5. I feel Tamba is gonna have a problem taking Big Ben down, So I would love to see Studebaker blitzed more. He seems a little more powerfully but not as quick. Im gonna go into this game open-minded and I feel we all should. Remember who were playing, This isn't the Cowboys, Eagles, or Chargers. I have mad respect for this franchise even though ive always hated them. Their players try!!!! Alot of people like to say they have more talent or there guys are just better. True they are a more talented then the Chiefs, but that isnt what makes the Steelers one of the best teams. They give 100% every play. They have alot of leaders, and they always show up ready to play.

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lol

Have you been stiffing the gold spray paint again? We will lose this game because, we can’t stop the run and we cant get to the QB, and their is no way T.Hali can tackle BIG BEN. I wish we could win this game but you and everyone else knows we are out classed in this game, and it will show. Cassel just hangs on to the ball to long, and is likely to get killed in this game. I’m done hoping for miracles, the switch to the 3-4 D-fense has set us back 2 or 3 years. I hate T.Haley!

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions

"sniffing"

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions

Well in his defense, he wasn't saying we could/will do all those things...

but should we pull off some sort of miracle and win, it could involved those things he listed.

Theres nothing wrong with listing on how to win. Though the Chiefs are most likely going to get beat, you have to still try.

by worc on Nov 21, 2009 3:05 AM CST up reply actions

Negativity and loss of belief doesn't help

See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"

by KC Nate on Nov 21, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Just stating

Facts not being negative,i believe we still have bad coaching. Until we get a good Head coach, Offensive coordinator,and Defensive coordinator, this team has alot of hole’s to fill. I’m praying that we get agressive next year, and go after some good FA’s.

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

I think it's already beat beaten into everyones brains that "Chiefs are bad"

Being realistic is fine, but the players on the team go into the game this weekend with optimism to win even when chips are stacked against them. Thats how you’ll get 100% effort. You’re already signing them off. Have some faith in your team even if it they’re not as good you want them to be…You might not agree with the coaching, but we still have players who play.

by worc on Nov 21, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions

Come on

I never said the players weren’t trying or that they didnt believe they could win this game. As far as me signing them off, im pretty sure 1-7 is a bad record. I hope for the best for this team, but i also know when we are out classed.

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

THATS LOSER TALK!

GET OUT OF HERE! jp :)

by worc on Nov 21, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions

If you want to Cry do it somewhere else girl

I was just stating how we could. Not saying we will.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions

lol

The sniffin paint thing was a joke, didnt mean to offend you in anyway, it’s a good post. I’m not crying, just stating facts as i’ve said before, im not down on the players just the coaching.Oh and please don’t call me a girl, you’ll hurt my feelings.If you would just check out my pic, you would clearly see i’m a boy, just look at the size of my club:P

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

Sorry man

I was in a real bad mood earlier for a different reason. I was way out of line caveman.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions

No problem man

I get that way too sometimes

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions

We all are

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We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions

Five ways we win this game

1-The steelers all get H1N1
2-Their bus crash’s on the way to the airport.
3-Their plane crash’s
4-A comet hits Pittsburgh
5- T.Haley take the steelers out for golf lesson’s

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 12:56 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

I think this is more 5 things to happen to win...

lol…Not 5 different, separate things that could result in a win…We need all of them.

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by woodman212 on Nov 21, 2009 3:02 AM CST reply actions

One way we win Sunday

SCORE MORE POINTS THEN THEY DO!!!!
HA HA!!!

by WeSUCK on Nov 21, 2009 6:01 AM CST reply actions

Isnt this

the same formula that every team uses to win ANY game….pressure opposing teams QB,establish the running game,stop the run,try to win the turnover battle,try to score in all phases of the game
…
it all sounds so simple huh.

Im just hoping we are at least competitive. One thing I have noticed is that the Chiefs kinda play up to the level of the competition. We have played tight games against teams like Dallas, Baltimore, and some might say Jax…..but then look like a pop warner team in two games against Oakland and Washington.

by KCinAZ on Nov 21, 2009 7:56 AM CST reply actions

Actually no its not

Most teams want to pressure the QB out of the pocket which is not what you want with Big Ben.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

And that kind of pass rush is something Vrabel gives and everyone behind him has given,

in particular, Andy Studebaker. I’m a little more worried about Hali giving Big Ben an escape lane between Dorsey and him, when Hali takes the outside angle. This can happen even when Hali beats his man and gets his hands on Big Ben, who, like as not, will be able to shake him off and escape to his left for the easy pass to Hines Ward, who, by that time, has worked his way all the way across the field and is heading toward the sideline right in front of BB.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions

I can visualize that

Maybe some delayed DW/DJ blitzes after the hole is open between Dorsey and Hali

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions

I think that'll be a natural spot for DJ/DW/Mays to attack/defend.

Be cool to see Clancy steal a page from Lebeau, and drop Edwards back into the short middle and send both ILBs up the field. Be even cooler to see a fluttering pass fall into Edwards’s hands and him run about 20 yards with it, lateral to Brown for the pick-6. Heh.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions

Whats up

some good times, Pre-game

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions

Yawp.

Not a whole lot. Just a sick (dying) cat. Spoiling him rotten for as long as he continues to eat and feel OK. He’s been my little buddy for 12 years, so I’m kinda bummed.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 22, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions

i hope Cassell comes out ALIVE!!!!

they’ll probibly bring the house to our soft offensive line, which means the draw could work. Run..Run..Run and try to survive.

by Sea of RED on Nov 21, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

The quick passing game

We have to go to a 3step and get rid of the ball offense, why we haven’t that in more game’s this year is beyond me. Cassel has to just throw it in their and believe his guy will get it. I know our WR’s have had alot of drop’s, but at some point he has to start winging it. The Steelers know we are going to try and run the ball, so we should change it up and throw it on first down’s more, and when i say that i mean deep balls too.

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

Attack Polpfkdnoda's backup!

maybe run some of that 2 minute offense before the last 2 minutes of the game :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions

Broken record, Mills, here ta tell ya...

… this will hinge on willingness and ability to move the chains off the pass if the Steelers dare ‘em to. If PITT has the balls to single ’em up outside, KC has to have the balls to go after the 1-on-1 on the perimeter. In a correctly called game, then, it comes down to whether the WRs can execute, and there’s more fast/quick on the field tomorrow than we’ve seen for a stretch of years, imo.

If (big if) they can force PIT to give safety help down the field, there might be some daylight for our RBs.

Unlike most, I’m one who sees running success by the KC offense as more effect than cause, when it comes to the level of success of the offense. If the passing game comes together (and all the new faces, plus a possibly-ready-for-primetime-Bradley keep me wanting to watch the next game…), I can easily see Jamaal and Colby having big games.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions

for those that need a clearer comment :)

Throw the DAMN ball successfully (or at least 65% successful) and the running game will open up!

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions

Regarding #5

Why is it that the Chiefs seem to be the only team in the NFL that is incapable of executing a screen pass?

by ChiefDJ on Nov 21, 2009 11:26 AM CST reply actions

You've seen our O-line

You still have to ask?

by Pilcrow on Nov 21, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions

lol

I thought i was the only one who noticed that.

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

To run the ball, Chiefs will need to prove they can beat the blitz with the pass. Even if they can, it’s not certain that Lebeau will stop attacking the line with extra hats. If he blitzes all day, Chiefs should steal a page from Pittsburgh’s offense and pass all day. If the Steelers struggle to defend the pass, then there might be some daylight for Jamaal.
Ben in the pocket: Excellent point. This means disciplined pass rush from Hali and Studebaker, and BIG push from guys in the middle. This relates to #4, below. For this to work, jamming the WRs will be very important.
Special Teams score: Gee whiz. Yeah! That’d be nice!
Mendenhall: Outside pass rushers have to maintain gap discipline. Hali shouldn’t seek glory at the expense of being taken out of running plays. Mendenhall has been getting good angles to the edge when the outside pass rushers try to take an inside angle. I think the middle of the KC D can keep Pitt’s O-Line from overpowering them up the gut. Gap discipline also relates to keeping Big Ben in the pocket. Don’t sell out just to get a white-gloved hand on the QB (Tamba). Just give him no place to go and deny passing lanes.
Draws, screens, sweeps: See above. If (big if) the Chiefs can get something going with the pass, draws, screens and sweeps can be killer for them. But, imo, it will all hinge on being able to get something done over the top. There’s talk of Bobby Wade, but I personally think that Chambers, Long and Bradley (Yes, Bradley) have a better chance of keeping the D from sitting on routes. If KC can’t frustrate the secondary with the pass, Pitt will just overpower them up front with all-day blitzes.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

They allow 95 yards a game on the ground

Where do you get your stats? The Steelers are ranked 1st in rush defense allowing only 69.3 yards per game on the ground, the second closest is 83.4 yards per game. Also, we allow a measly 3.4 yards per rush (2nd). Bottom line is you just don’t run the ball against the Steelers defense.

~~Are~~ Our defense will have a tuff time stopping their medicore offense

The Steelers have a top 10 offense. Not sure what you consider “mediocre”, but I don’t believe the 9th ranked O would be considered average. We have lots of very talented weapons from QB to WR to RB and a great TE.

The Steelers are ranked 25th in the league at running the football

No, we are ranked 17th. Also, we average 4.3 yards per carry which is very good.

The Steelers are not the best team at handling Screens and Sweeps either.

That is probably the most accurate thing you said in this post.

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by John Stephens on Nov 21, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions

Here is where I got my info, I dont know if yours is right or what frankly I dont care.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/PIT/pittsburgh-steelers

2009 Team Rank
Off Rank Def Rank
Pass 206.7 19 175.3 2
Rush 90.0 25 95.3 11
Total 296.7 26 270.7 3
Complete Ranking

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

CBS? Uhh no.

Pro Football Reference (624 yards given up so far on the ground / 9 games = 69.3 yards per game rushing)

NFL.com

ESPN.com

Those CBS stats are based on some sort of weird ranking that I have never seen before. that 95.3 is a “rating” of some sort. Whatever it is, it is not how defenses are ranked.

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"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom

by John Stephens on Nov 21, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Well my bad...

That is there rank at the source I sited, Since then I went to NFL.com and saw. My bad if I offended you, I wasnt trying to. I will look at things more closely next time.

Furthermore, I do think their offense is middle of the pack. However, Luckily for you, The Chiefs have a problem of making people look better then they are. Good luck this sunday and I wasnt trying to insult the Steelers at all. They are obviously one of the best teams in the league this year and thruought history.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions

Ya got linked over on Pittsburgh site, congrats Dar :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

lol

Im famous, lol, great now I look stupid on both sites.;) Its all good I can admit when Im wrong.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions

And that's the way the blog should work, darwithbar.

You had a source, made sense to you, someone called you out on it and had better fact source and you changed your mind. You were/are intellectually honest about the whole process, which is all any can ask and more than we expect once we leave AP’s front porch.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions

That looks more like Yds.

Maybe they havent updated it lately. I wish I could revise the post but I cant.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions

Just edit again BUT I think its to late now :(

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions

hey man

I’m going to the chiefs vs donkeys on the 8th with my son hope to see some of you guys.

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 21, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions

Look at Detroit and Cincy games.

Keep Ben from moving in the pocket. Ben moves around in the pocket a ton, and out of it too. The Bengals did a phenomenal job of taking that movement away from him and he couldn’t get the sight lines or space to make plays.

Then run the ball inside. We are thin on the line, if you can wear them down you have a chance (this is not easy, as the line has been playing incredibly well, as have the LB’s).

Don’t let Ben have the ball at the end of the first half, or stop him, if we score then we win.

Attack the underneath passes and flats. Troy eliminates those single-handedly, when he is out you can get those. However running outside is bad unless you are Chris Johnson fast, we extend the line very very well.

Return kicks for TD’s or short fields.

This is how you have success against the Steelers. Good luck at it, I see the defense coming out vicious this week and the offense looking to get Mendy going, if that is the case it will be a long day.

by Phantaskippy on Nov 22, 2009 12:26 AM CST reply actions

You lost me right at the end.

Especially after AFC Playbook reminded me of KC’s terrible secondary. Most teams, even very good running teams, have found tough slogging on the ground, but fair winds and clear skies through the air. Comin’ in, I’d expect PIT to go after KC’s safeties. I keep hoping one or more of the younger guys will grow a brain (like a 3-yr old retriever does) and supplant McGraw and/or Brown.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 22, 2009 1:44 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah, attack the secondary. If we get into a passing mindset the Chiefs will be able to hang with the Steelers. When we run the ball effectively we win. That is what I was trying to say.

by Phantaskippy on Nov 22, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions