Time To Go To The War Room
by royalsfan99 on Nov 20, 2009 9:00 PM CST
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Hello everybody heres another addition of my mock draft.
Round 1 Ndamukong Suh NT/DE This kid is meant for the 3-4 he gets past triple teams. I was watching some
game tape and I saw a play where the center and guard and the running back where all blocking and he just
bulldozed through and demolished the quarterback. He has no negatives he dosent need to gain any weight and
Scott and his scouts have been sending somebody out there like every 2 weeks. This kid has the work ethic and
mindset to probably be the best D lineman in KC history with his ability to just burst off the line and wreck havoc.
And if we bring in a new Defensive line coach and Defensive Coordinator we are a force on defense.
Round 2 Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech This kid is legit I am defiantly. Am sure Charles is not a starting tail back he needs support and Kolby cant do that so you add another playmaker. sounds like a solid 1-2 punch with Charles and Dwyer and I don't think we go to free agency because really theres no solid running back in free agency this year besides Ronnie Brown who will want a pay day because of his play in the wildcat.
Round 2 Jason Fox OT Miami At 6-7 310 pounds he is an ideal fit in this zone blocking scheme. I would have him compete against Ryan and Brandon for a starting gig. He reminds me of old Willie Anderson who retired from the ravens last year. NO VIDEO
Round 3 Jerome Murphy USF CB/SS This kid is amazing gives us that shutdown corners like Al Harris and Charles Woodson in Green Bay. We would be fortunate to have his amazing athletics and awareness his main skills are his speed and his tall build at 6-1.
Round 4 Eric Olsen Notre Dame C/RG At 6-4 310 pounds he gives us a brusier up front and has only given up 3 sacks in his carrer at Notre Dame. He would fill one of the voids where we strugle most RG/C. To Many times does the pass rush come from up the middle. NO VIDEO
Round 5 Brandon Banks WR/KR/PR His this just me or does his speed and 5 kick return touchdowns this season remind you of this special man ________ Hall the man who gave glory to the name the Kansas City Chiefs. Hes basically his clone super speed and quickness and an average receiver
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Round 5 Colin Peek N/A Tight end Alabama
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Round 5 Rahim Alem DE/Linebacker If you can get him to lose 10-15 pounds he will be a late round gem and is already a force a LSU.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Fix the o-line.
Then look for a 1st or 2nd rounder at RB – MAYBE. But you fix that line, and suddenly the no-name 4th-rounder is a genius pick. Too early in the personnel game, imo, to be using a high 2nd on RB.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I like the videos included....
But I am not necessarily in agreement that it is time to go to the war room…it is November.
Suh would be an amazing 3-4 DE…Perfect. But I think a team takes him before us, likely Tampa.
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I want suh at Nose Tackle
he takes on double teams every week
Hate Larry Johnson.
Suh is a stud
but he’s not really a nose tackle
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Why do people keep saying he isnt a true NT?
One of the best NTs in the league is smaller then Suh. You want a NT taller then 6 foot and around 315. He is 305 right now, He could easily gain up to 15 pounds preferably only 10 and still be the fastest NT in the NFL. He has a better motor then any NT in the league now had in college. He is double teamed more then anyone in big 12 history. I really want to know where this got started. Also, Suh already plays NT in certain packages NE runs. Im positive that Pioli is looking at him for a reason and I think it is NT. I know people say that they might trade Dorsey but I dont see it happening. With Magee behind him, Pioli would have traded him at the deadline and didnt even try! If Suh is on the board when the Chiefs pick, He is going to be our guy. And he is most likely going to play NT. Also, In the Scheme the Chiefs run, You actually want your NT to be a little lighter then Normal.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
Speed isn't what makes a NT
Size and brute strength. He could probably play it but it doesn’t suit his game. If you want an NT, take a natural NT. Not a guy who has to put on more weight to play the position. Take a guy who plugs in and upgrades day one.
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Buck O
He would do that, He would just be fast. Speed and Quickness play into any part of football. You guys are obviously just saying this because its popular opinion and thats ok. Alot of fans do it. But its just not true. He has more upper body strength then anybody else in the draft. He has above average lower body strength.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Watchin him right now on ESPN...
He must have the flu or something….as of the 3rd quarter, he is being double-teamed, yes, but he looks like he is jogging everything…
Not seeing that “motor” you talked about…
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Sorry man, Lol. I'm serious though.
I just don’t see it. He’s a stud no doubt, but I’m not convinced he’s what we need for an NT. You want a rookie to add 15 – 30 lbs of bulk before he plays his first game in the NFL just so he can fill the bill? WIth Todd “my team lost over 800 lbs” Haley as the head coach?
Besides, we really do have more pressing needs. I’ve just never been a big believer in the wholesale approach to BPA drafting. I think you have to look at the combination of BPA and PON and also factor in the salary that the guy will command and how quickly will he have an impact. IMNSHO he’d be massively expensive if we end up picking high enough to get him and there’s just enough shadow of a doubt as to how well suited he’d be as an NFL NT to justify passing on him. We have massive needs elsewhere as well. The entire combination makes him a a gamble that may not be worth the risk. And consider that the biggest criticism Pioli faced his rookie year as GM is that he signed his big-money QBOTF and did nothing to protect him.
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Well played.
Especially that little bit at the end.
And consider that the biggest criticism Pioli faced his rookie year as GM is that he signed his big-money QBOTF and did nothing to protect him.
But just generally well-stated.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Thanks mills
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Jay Ratliff...
in Dallas has proved to be a really good NT and he is just a shade over 300 lbs.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 22, 2009 5:21 AM CST up reply actions
I'm totally OK with Berry, Caveman,
based on what I’ve heard about his coverage skills, football IQ and athletic measurables.
Suh sounds like the real deal, too, BUT I want a guy to play NT who projects 1st and foremost as a NT. Don’t tell me about how great he is at penetrating. Don’t tell me about how he can easily bulk up. When we’re talkin’ NT, I want to hear that 3 guys can’t move him off his spot or he drags 3 guys with him wherever he goes. That’s what I want to see anchoring the KC 3-4. Basically, an anchor.
I want a laconic lunch bucket, blue-collar mountain of a man who just makes everyone around him play better, and picks up his stats from breakdowns by the opposition and the successful penetration by his teammates flushing the ballcarrier within his reach. I want to hear about how he just needs a finger in a guy’s jersey to drag him to the turf. I do NOT want flash from the NT. Just a huge guy who’s sturdy as hell, with a frame to match his bulk.
I couldn’t care less if he NEVER pursues all the way to the sideline. Just be a beast between the hashes, who takes away a HUGE swath in the middle of the field, denying everything between the tackles, and marching inexorably up the field on passing plays with a ferocious bull rush. I don’t want him splitting gaps. I want him to push 1 or 2 or 3 blockers into the QB’s face. If he can do that, the other 6 of the front 7 will have their way.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
That is exactly what Suh is!!!
Your explaining him, Dont you forget what Wilfork was in college, He split gaps to get to the QB just as much as Suh. The bad part about this is Suh might even be stronger then Wilfork was his Sr. year. lol Suh is has been triple teamed all year becuase he is so strong. He excells bull rushing and spliting gaps. He is not a dorsey clone, He isnt a tyson Jackson or Richard Seymour clone either. He is much stronger then all of them. He cannot be blocked by 2 people in college and I full expect he will have to be doubled and chipped in the NFL. I really wish people would watch the film of the Okla or KS game. He was triple or double team every play and would still force the QB out of the pocket because he would just Bull Rush them back.
So if your going to say something like “Suh is the real deal, but I want” dont describe him in full right after. He demands a double team more then Cody in this sense. Cody has to be doubled to be contained, Suh can be doubled and still push the line towards the QB.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Not exactly.
But close. And you know far more about college players than I do, I’m sure.
But I’m talking about a guy who has to work to stay DOWN around 320, not a guy who can beef up from 305. Suh just sounds to me like an outstanding 4-3 DT prospect, and we’ve already converted ours to 3-4 DE. Frankly, all the running Haley wants from his linemen flies in the face of what I’d want from a 3-4 NT. From that perspective, Suh sounds more like a Haley guy than a mountain like Cody.
With my heart about set on Berry as a difference-maker in the secondary, I’d be looking more at acquiring Wilfork in the flesh, rather than making comparisons to him with my draft pick.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Did everyone else see Suh chase down Meier on the sideline?
Geez thats incredible. I agree with most of the picks RF except the 2-3rd round picks. I like Fox but No to Dwyer, I think Jamal is an ecery down back. If he hasnt proven that by now I dont know what he will have to do. Also, Murphy is a reach. We also need a C, Niswanger is good but we need a leader in the middle, I wouldnt mind Rudy @ RG.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
That's just what I'm sayin' I couldn't care less about.
We start off talking about NT and you rave about how fast the guy can run? Misses the point of NT entirely (imho).
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
And I don't mean to take a tone with you, although I'm afraid I have.
Totally respect where you’re comin’ from.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Everything Im about to say is refering to players while they were in college
Suh is faster then Wilfork, has a better motor then Wilfork, He is equally as strong. Just because I rave about how fast Suh is at 3005 lbs (dont know if you even watch college but Reesing is a fast QB). Spped is an always an important aspect on the DL. If Suh splits a double team in the NFL, He has the speed to chase down a RB or QB. You have no arguement against Suh playing NT. This is exactly what people said about Dorsey when we made this switch and so far he has had an impressive year when you look at first year 3-4 DE.
The diifference is Suh and Cody are the only players that have played NT in college. Cody plays it regularly, while Suh sparringly. Suh has shown to be the stronger and more talented player. When I pointed out his speed, I wasnt refering to anyone about him being able to play NT. Thats why it wasnt a reply to the previous post.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Finishing speed is not what I'm looking for in NT.
So if you’re trying to sell me on the guy, give up on that line of argument. :o)
Quickness in a small area. Good feet, change of direction. That’s all good. But if he can chase down a QB in space, chances are good he’s not the immovable object I want in the middle. Tank Tyler was one of the strongest DTs coming out of college, himself, and he’s good at penetrating and finding the ball, but he wasn’t able to deny the big push in the middle at ?310ish? Not a great fit for the 3-4, imo. In tip-top shape, Suh is probably not going to go much bigger than his current 305.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Dude are you crazy
He has a freaksih mix off Strength and Speed. Vince wilfork was just like him in college. You obviously must not watch. Watch first then talk.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Like I said...
before. Look at Jay Ratiliff in Dallas. Suh has way more potential than that dude and he is listed at 6’4" 303 lbs.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 22, 2009 5:26 AM CST up reply actions
There's a Marcus-like quality about Jamaal that I really like.
5’11’’ and 200 lbs. Not huge. Just an athlete, who last week showed an abiity to mix it up inside and hit the home run, given the chance. But because of his frame, he’ll always have to prove his toughness. I just hope that proving himself behind THIS O-line in THIS version of the KC offense doesn’t ruin what looks to be a very good back.
The only thing I’ll miss about LJ is his flat-out toughness, which might explain why Haley used him so much, knowing full well that the current situation is NOT conducive to the well-being of halfbacks.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I like the Marcus comparison; hadn't thought of that
I also think Kolby has shown some flashes. I don’t think we need to draft a running back unless it’s later round for depth.
The O-line will get better as the season goes on, in fact I think they already are improving. We changed the blocking scheme and then have been shuffling them around and then the injuries started. We probably need to pick up a someone early in the draft (RG) and deffinately need 1 or 2 others for depth.
The rest of the season will tell us more about who we need than the 1st half has.
Smith showed a good burst last Sunday. I thought he might be slow on the outside, like Barber's been since the thigh muscle thing.
If by “early in the draft” you mean 1st day, I’m OK with that. Just not 1st round. And if a great left tackle is sitting there when KC’s pick comes, I’d be in favor of upgrading G by moving Albert to the inside, where he’d be a great emergency tackle, to boot.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
As for the Marcus comparison, it's a bit of a reach,
but I remember how he was effective between the tackles in his later years, playing at a lighter weight. But I think it entirely likely that the concerns about Jamaal flow from the impression one has of him at 5’11’’ and only 199 lbs. More an appearance thing than a substantive appraisal.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Smith showed a good burst?
Lol Right, geez.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
You really seem uptight.
I was surprised when I saw it, myself. But there was a play where he got some daylight to the outside and kicked it into high. Please moderate your tone.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Thats not a good comparision
Suh is 6’4 305. Sapp is more like Dorsey, Suh is more like Seymour.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Doesn't that comparison...
sort of debunk your thought that he can play NT?
Suh is just like Seymour to me (perhaps even better) and will flourish just as Seymour has in a similar roll if asked too. He’s roughly the same size (6-4 305 to Seymour’s 6-6 310) and has played a roll similar in fashion to Seymour’s at Nebraska yet only at a higher level..
Whether it be a future pro bowl 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE I think Suh is the next generation of that type of athletic ability but drafting him to be a 3-4 NT would be a monumental waste of potential. I’m not saying he can’t do it I’m just saying he won’t be anywhere near as a effective as a true NT prospect.
by butchcassidy on Nov 21, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Butch
I know what your saying but The Chiefs Hybrid Sheme calls for a 1 gap NT, Kinda like the Cowboys scheme. You dont have to have a huge NT.
Also, Seymour is big enough to play NT as well. Wilfork was the better fit, but Seymour lined up at NT several times for the pats.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
The departure of Tyler and the acquisition of Kenny Smith look to me like a migration AWAY from hybrid.
Looks to me like 3-4 alternating with 2-5.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
If the Chiefs do draft Suh...
I would absolutely HATE it if they made him play NT when I knew his talents were better suited to play DE (at least in a 3-4).
by butchcassidy on Nov 21, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen Suh going #1
We won’t have THAT pick. Tampa Bay will take him running up to the Podium.
They probably have his name written down already!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Why would they be better for a DE?
He takes on double teams and even beats them. Thats what you want out of a NT. He clogs the middle of the line allowing the other players on the front seven to run free. Hints Crick having 9 sacks in his sophmore year @ DT. You have to know where he is at every play, Exactly like Wilfork. He is 6’4 305, Jason Ferguson is 6’2 310, Theo Ratliff 303. The reason these two can play NT is because of their upper body strentgh. Suh is stronger then anybody else in this draft in terms of the upper body.
I just ask everyone to watch him tonite.
A;lso, I dont think the Chiefs will have a chance to draft him, but if he is available they will take him. I imagine they would move everyone around during the game. IDK why everyone would be mad, Our D line would be on its way to being the best in the league.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
alright then
SUH=JAY RATLIFF
Hate Larry Johnson.
LOL
Thats better
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
How about this?
royalsfan99, it is clear you like looking forward to next year’s draft, but we probably don’t need 4 mock draft posts from you in the span of 3 weeks.
Why don’t you use this FanPost as a running log of your mock updates, and if it doesn’t get bumped, then let it go until draft time.
In my opinion, these are getting out of hand, and it is better to update something than to continually spam the FanPosts every time you have a change of heart.
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
concur
Not that anybody really gives a shit what I think. ;o)
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I have no idea who you are, and I definitely don't care what you think
:)
-Erykah Badu, I have accepted your proposal. So, Mrs. DTR, let's get to consummating...you are on notice.
-"All praise Chiefus."
by DThomasReigns on Nov 22, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
suh will not reach us...so why r we arguing about him?
by MountainManMike on Nov 22, 2009 2:08 AM CST reply actions
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