Chiefs on Larry Johnson: 'This matter is closed'
by Joel Thorman on Nov 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST
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Photo courtesy David Eulitt of the Kansas City Star
The Kansas City Chiefs have released a statement on the situation regarding Larry Johnson. Multiple reports surfaced over the weekend that the Chiefs had settled with LJ, instead taking just one paycheck from him. Peter Schaffer, the player's agent, said that nothing had been signed as recently as Saturday night but did not dispute the reports that an agreement was done in principle.
Consider this the official agreement. From the Mothership (courtesy of RRDOGuy, who had it first in the FanShots section):
The Kansas City Chiefs, in conjunction with the NFL Management Council, the NFL Players Association and RB Larry Johnson have settled all matters related to Johnson’s recent conduct. Johnson will remain suspended through the club’s game at Jacksonville on November 8th. He will not be permitted to participate in any team activities or be on team premises until Monday, November 9th. This matter is now closed, and the Chiefs will have no further comment.
If this truly is the end of the situation, and LJ faces no further punishment and/or release from the team, then you'll find that plenty of folks will be upset.
And, for some reason (past history, maybe), I don't think this is the end of it.
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hmmm
I think your right if nothing else is done LJ will be back being his selfish baby way before the end of the year
by tomahawk44 on Nov 2, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Reiterate
If Larry Johnson plays another down for this team, then Todd Haley is a gutless coward and a fraud who deserves to be fired after this season.
If he can’t bring himself to bench a terrible RB who openly disrespects the team and the fans, while contributing as much to the downfall of the Chiefs as anyone, then Haley needs to go. Because he’s sure as hell not worth keeping around for his sparkling personality or clever gameday tactics.
Our own David Shula.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you don't place any of the blame for this on the shoulders of
Peterson, who drafted him, or Pioli, who kept him?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course I Do
But Peterson’s not here anymore so continuing to blame him is pretty futile. And Haley’s choices in dealing with Johnson are plenty bad all their own.
I don’t think you were here last year when I went on my rants about Carl. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
We could have had Polamalu instead of Johnson from that draft. And I’d take Polamalu over Johnson in a heartbeat.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, And
Yes, I blame Pioli for keeping him. But Pioli doesn’t write the daily lineup cards.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do wish Haley would just sit him, if anything
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Accept That As A Smart Move On Haley's Part
But I won’t accept him ever playing Johnson again. That miserable team cancer’s done enough damage and if Haley won’t bench a guy like that, especially considering how terrible of a player he is right now, then it’s impossible to take Haley seriously anymore…as a disciplinarian or a smart football coach. How can he sit there and bitch at guys like Bowe, who are producing, when he continues to give playing time to an asshat who isn’t, like Larry Johnson?
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford, I just soooooooooooooo totally disagree with you! omg no way! no no no a million times NO!
see, here’s the thing … if Larry Johnson plays another down for this team, then Todd Haley is a gutless coward and a fraud who deserves to be fired BEFORE THE END OF THE GAME …
… and if LJ is on the team beyond end of year in ANY fasion whatsoever then Pioli needs to go IMMEDIATELY
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed On All Points
Except for the Cassel trade, this season (and offseason) has been one massive disaster. And it’s just as much the new guys’ fault as it was Peterson’s and Herm’s.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of extreme
It’s expensive to get rid of a tool like LJ because of the huge contract the last admin gave him. So I don’t think it’s reasonable to blame Pioli and Haley for at least trying to see what they have in the guy before jettisoning him. Granted, I was very anti-LJ from the day the rumors of KC’s draft interest in him first started swirling, but it’s not a far-fetched thing for a duo like this to try to squeeze a little more out of a guy instead of cutting him based on the last administration’s failings.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Reasonable To Blame Them
There was no chance he was going to be better than he was last season considering the lack of improvement on the line and his increasing age. And he wasn’t good last year either. So keeping him was an idiotic decision that Pioli and Haley deserve to be blasted for…especially when they could have walked away from his contract before the season started. It was just plain stupidity on their part.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree in hindsight
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Age?
He’s not that old. Didn’t Priest have his best years of his career at about Larry’s current age? I mean, he was ineffective last year, sure, but do you really think a coach with a shred of self-confidence is going to think that he couldn’t do better with a running back than the previous, failed administration did?
They could not have walked away from his contract, could they have? Cutting bait is not cheap in the era of large signing bonuses. I know you’re familiar with the acceleration of bonus money.
I mean, I’m about as anti-LJ as one could be, but it’s kind of expected that coaches are going to see what they can get out of the guys on their roster who have shown much of anything recently.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's 30
And he hasn’t been good for three years. And he was overused. He’s ancient by NFL RB standards.
Didn’t Priest have his best years of his career at about Larry’s current age?
Priest never had a 400 carry season. No RB has ever come back from that. And Priest was done the next year.
I mean, he was ineffective last year, sure, but do you really think a coach with a shred of self-confidence is going to think that he couldn’t do better with a running back than the previous, failed administration did?
And it would have been a gamble worth taking if Johnson didn’t have the contract that he did. But any coach who thought he’d perform at a level this year that would justify that contract would not only be wrong…he’d be completely clueless. And that decision alone is almost a fireable offense for a GM.
They could not have walked away from his contract, could they have?
Yes…if they’d cut him before the season started they would have had to pay nothing. They won a grievance against him this offseason that negated his contract if he wasn’t on the opening season roster. But once he made the team, it got reinstated. And now we’re stuck with that contract again. And that’s entirely Haley and Pioli’s fault for keeping Johnson around and letting him turn into a team cancer yet again.
So I blame them for Johnson even more than I blame Johnson for his actions…it’s not like they couldn’t figure out that this is the kind of person that he is by just looking at his history here.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Link on the grievance issue?
I must have totally whiffed that one, because I’ve never heard of a complete nullification of bonus money paid in terms of cap hit.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Have The Link Handy
If you go back through AP’s archives, it was discussed extensively and we did link to the story.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I found the story
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4046548
It sounds like you’re talking about a completely different issue. What the Chiefs would have owed him were salary, roster bonuses and such. KC had already paid him the signing bonus. Signing bonus is paid at the beginning of the contract, and does not change based on a grievance. It’s easy to confuse the two issues, but KC definitely would have taken the cap hit, because that money was already paid. The only way to reverse that would be to recoup the money from Johnson via judgment or settlement.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Bonus Couldn't Be Taken Back
But it negated his fully guaranteed salary for this year and all future guaranteed money in the deal.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, though, that doesn't mean KC could've walked away
They still would’ve taken the cap hit
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But A Cap Hit They Could Have Dealt With
Considering their cap space. As well as not having to deal with his inevitable bullshit (which was only kept in check so long as he was trying to get his contract reinstated).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that it was inevitable
Or rather, I don’t know that incoming coaches and staff would reasonably have viewed it as inevitable.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's Had Problems With Both Of His Previous Coaches
And he’s had multiple off-field incidents for the same kind of behavior.
Larry Johnson’s behavior problems are inevitable. The guy’s just a born asshole.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's how it appears to us
But we didn’t willingly trade for guys like Randy Moss or sign Corey Dillon.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moss And Dillon Played Straight Because Of Belichick, Not Pioli
And Todd Haley is no Bill Belichick.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At This Point
He’s not even a Herm Edwards.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That, my friend, shows you've gone well past the point of reason on this.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that LJ is still even part of the team is beyond reason
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This reads like a talking point, not an objective thought.
I despise LJ, but man, people need to be a little more removed from emotion. It’s football.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that "it's football"
what bothers me is that SOME people think football is more important than civility and honor … the ones saying “it’s nothing and play LJ and we need to win” crap … that’s putting football ahead of humanity and respect
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What Makes It Even More Ridiculous
Is that some people believe that Larry Johnson is still capable of helping a team win.
He isn’t.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, he can't do anything but run into his linemen ...
but even if he was the next coming of Barry Sanders and having him on the team would guarantee a Super Bowl I still wouldn’t want him around – end of discussion
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
…you need to look at this like an incoming coach. A new coach is worthless if he doesn’t think he can do a better job than the guy who just got fired. Do you disagree with that?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
A new coach is worthless if he doesn’t actually do a better job than the guy who got fired before him. I don’t care if he thinks he can do a better job. The NFL has had plenty of coaches who thought they were the second coming of Parcells despite reality saying differently.
Results are all that matters.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is more overreaction.
Results are what matters, but are you seriously contending that the only thing that matters in an organization that has just undergone wholesale change is the W-L columns? If so, then you’re being unreasonable at best, and disingenuous in all likelihood.
But that’s all I have to say. The office security has to lock up, so off I go. Try to be more reasonable and patient.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I Call For Pioli To Be Fired?
No…I didn’t. I’m willing to give him a chance to learn from his mistakes.
Haley, though, is a different story. Quitting at halftime down by less than 3 TDs was gutless. Playing Johnson again after his latest incident as far as I’m concerned is confirmation that Haley was a huge failure of a hire. If Johnson takes the field again, you can place me firmly on the “Fire Haley Now” bandwagon.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you're not insinuating that I'm one of those people
Because my entire argument for defending Pioli and Haley’s decision to not cut LJ is based on knowledge of what happened up to the beginning of 2009. You seem to think I’m arguing he shouldn’t be cut/deactivated because of this latest incident, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Understand Your Position On Johnson
You’re not a fan and aren’t a supporter.
But you’re also defending Pioli and Haley for deciding to keep him around and Johnson’s history, current issues and on-field performance have already shown what a blindingly bad decision that was.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight, I'm sure they regret it
But not every decision even the best of personnel guys have made ended up paying off.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Care If They Regret It
I care that they not compound their bad decisions with more bad decisions. And so far I’m not seeing that…because Larry Johnson’s still a part of this team.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah
Go look at the team’s standings again before you try to lecture me about “reason”. You are what your record says you are.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, more unreasonable talking points
Growing pains happen. No pain, no gain. Not with an organization that had this many layers of bandages over really, really deep wounds.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meaningless Cliches
Growing pains happen.
Same crap Herm and Carl spouted last year to hide their incompetence.
No pain, no gain.
Acceptance of losing usually just leads to more losing.
Not with an organization that had this many layers of bandages over really, really deep wounds.
And plenty of those wounds were inflicted by the current administration’s decisions this offseason. No free passes for Belichick’s errand boy and his buddy-hire of a head coach. They can start producing something or get the hell out.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're way past reason, as I've said
You act like it’s even close to realistic to expect anyone to fix the deep problems the Chiefs had coming out of the 2009 season.
It’s not. But go ahead and suggest someone who could’ve done a good enough job undoing CP’s misdeeds such that KC would currently have a remarkably improved record.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
You are what your record says you are. And the standings and team performance both back my position.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you say now
But you think Pioli should operate under the assumption that his hand-picked head coach can’t control his players? If you ever meet a GM like that, write a book about it, because it’ll be a once-in-a-lifetime event.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Rephrase
Randy Moss and Corey Dillon would not have given a shit about playing hard for a rookie head coach with rotten people skills on a crappy team. Few established players would. The only reason they played hard for Belichick is because he’d actually won something already.
And they certainly didn’t sign up to play hard because of Belichick’s errand boy. Players don’t play for the personnel guy…assuming he was actually the one calling the shots in the first place (which is far from a given). They play for the coach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you call Pioli "Belichick's errand boy" up to and immediately after the hiring?
If so, I’d like to see a link.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Not until he ignored the o-line and let Haley run amok with crappy hires and poor personnel decisions.
Now he’s Belichick’s errand boy until he shows he can do something besides raid New England’s garbage heap.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see
So you’re knee-jerking. Mature.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When He Gets His Players From Someone Besides His Former Boss And Father-In-Law
Then I’ll give him some credit. Until then I see no reason to give him kudos for what he’s produced this year.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one's asking for kudos
That’s a straw man, and an obvious one at that. Who’s saying to give him kudos? All I or any other reasonable person is saying is this: Pioli is the GM almost every Chiefs fan who knew anything about the candidates wanted, and we’ve seen less than a half-season’s worth of his administration. This is way, way too early to reasonably say he’s doing a poor job, because it takes time to lay a proper foundation.
Patience is a virtue. No one’s saying to be patient for more than a decade, like with Carl Peterson, but being patient for at least a season or two is the minimum of what you could call reasonable.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What Foundation Has He Laid?
He’s added exactly two players with big long-term potential (Cassel, Jackson) and one kicker. Most of his free agent signings were busts. He didn’t do anything to support his QB acquisition. He hired a head coach whose biggest strength was a personal friendship with Pioli and who’s done plenty to show that he’s not good. And he let his coach fill the assistant ranks with a bunch of proven bums. He doesn’t appear capable of finding many players outside of teams that aren’t run by his father-in-law and former boss. And he kept Larry Johnson around to drag this team down even further.
I don’t see anything being built but a foundation for more losing.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
…a lot of spoiled-ass New York Giants didn’t want to play for Coughlin when he rolled into the Meadowlands and started busting their heads.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and they almost got his ass fired - would have if he hadn't changed
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't really change
The majority of the change was on the part of the spoiled players. They started working hard instead of thinking they ran the team.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes Coughlin *did* change
he began to listen to his players and treat them like humans … and that was what got the players to respect him enough to really put out and play for him
they did work hard – but only AFTER Coughlin gave up the Drill Instructor Hardass bit
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Factually Mistaken
Coughlin changed…by his own very public admission. He admitted that his drill sergeant mentality was not working and was undermining his team’s performance.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here's a link for you, burntorange
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22925967/
and a little quote:
He was still the same stickler for details and demanding boss, but he discovered how to smile. And he accepted the idea that the players should have a say in what they were doing.
"Before, it was a dictatorship," Pierce said bluntly of Coughlin’s first three years.
Like Pierce, Strahan minced no words. "If he didn’t change, we wouldn’t be here," he said of his coach.
But, if he didn’t change, Coughlin wouldn’t even be with the team, and he knew it.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I was very impressed with what Coughlin did that year. It was very unusual for a coach who’d been around as long as he had. He deserved Coach of the Year for it.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
imagine if Haley were to change like that ...
… set up a “player’s committee” or somesuch …
just as Mizzou took off when Pinkel began to listen to his players after the death of a player on the practice field … the “kinder, gentler” Pinkel’s team took off … they came to him with ideas, thoughts, concerns and he listened, made it a TEAM from bottom up instead of top down
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Coughlin Almost Got Fired
Until he changed his approach and finally won a Super Bowl.
So far Haley seems to think his decisions are all good. Which is pretty much the opposite of Coughlin’s approach.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's The Link
From ESPN
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And It Wasn't Complete Nullification
The arbitrator ruled that the Chiefs weren’t entitled to money already paid out. But the rest of the guaranteed money in his contract was negated due to his off-field behavior, assuming he was no longer with the team when the season started.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which means the cap hit for the $12.5M signing bonus, prorated portion, would have still been in effect
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Exactly
Not for signing bonus that wasn’t already earned to my understanding. And it would have negated the salary for this season, which was fully guaranteed under terms of this contract.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing bonus is earned at the time of signing
Anything else is a roster bonus, whether per-game or it’s triggered on a certain day of the pre-season
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is nothing to accelerate contract wise with LJ
He gets what he plays AFTER this season, and loses any performance based money if we let him go. But, Damn if the NFL and the NFLPA make us keep him that is total BS.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing bonus
And any other bonus money that is not specific to just one season. The prorated portions of both of those categories would accelerate to the cap hit. Granted, it’s fine for 2009, but 2010 could be a different story.
The signing bonus was $12.5 million, and normally that would be spread at about $2.1 million per season for the six seasons of his deal. If cut prior to this season, the entire prorated balance—that’s about $8.3 million—would’ve counted toward the 2009 cap. If cut now, it’d be $6.25M toward the 2010 cap, and that’s just from the signing bonus.
For perspective, his 2009 cap hit is $4.55 million if he plays in every game.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LJ is a PoS who should be excised from the team at ANY cost
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazingly we have about 8 million of cap to spend
to get to the NFL floor
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pay that for LJ to just go away
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still Crawford is right that we could have overpaid Peters to anchor the O-line and cut LJ before the season
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Mean Brown
I wouldn’t have advocated overpaying Peters. He sucks.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry the Center in St. Louis
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still, when the team actually saves a couple of million in cap space just to not cut a guy...
…it’s not unreasonable to expect the coaches to give it a go.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, It Is
When the player is a constant behavior problem, when he bitches about how he wants out of KC right up until his contract gets negated, and when he wasn’t even a good player the year before.
There was zero reason for the Chiefs to give Larry Johnson another chance here. He hadn’t been a good player for two years, he wasn’t young enough to be part of the future, and he was a constant distraction. There is no excuse for not cutting him.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Moss hadn’t been a good player for Oakland. He’d been a constant distraction. He bitched about how he wanted out of Oakland. He’d had problems with his previous coaches. He assaulted a police officer.
No, it’s not unreasonable. Try seeing this from the perspective of incoming coaches and staff, not from that of a fan.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Care About Their Perspective
I don’t know them, I don’t hang with them and I don’t give a damn how difficult they find their job. They’re paid to produce results. And if they don’t then I want them held accountable for that.
If they want sympathy independent of results then they can go coach Pee Wee football and turn their jobs over to someone who will produce.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or To Put It Simply
An NFL coach has only two responsibilities…to produce wins and/or to get the best possible performances out of his players. Haley’s done neither. And he’s made plenty of decisions this year (firing Gailey, cutting Pollard, hiring the staff he did) to insure he didn’t get those results.
I give a crap about losers.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that would upset me is if the Chiefs took any further actions against LJ, such as cutting or deactivating him. If, on NOV 9th, he is re-instated and is either starting again, after Charles gets his shot next week, or backing up Charles, if Jamaal plays well, Then all is well, and this nonsensical overblown story can be burried in the past.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
100% correct
It would be crazy to punish him further. LJ will play this season and break the record.
Predictions for 2009:
**LJ runs for 1800 yards**
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home and some idiot in a red #31 jersey jumps out of the stands to try to stop him and gets trucked. It wasn't Priest but instead someone who cares more about the record than Priest does
**Bowe in the pro bowl**
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
**Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed**
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
**Chiefs 10-6**
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing that would upset me is seeing LJ ever touch a football again for the Kansas City Chiefs this year
… and being on the team more than one millisecond beyond the end of the year
he is persona non gratis in my book, and the only overblown thing here is LJ’s ego (and salary) … he’s a 2-bit a$$wipe thug-wannabe who has dishonored and disrespected humanity, much less the team
some things are bigger than football – I know that might be hard to understand but it’s true
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look to see even more empty seats at Arrowhead!
several of my friends say if he touches the ball again for KC they will dump their season tickets! What a shame im seriously starting the question this right 53 stuff….
by jrcnc on Nov 2, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If your friends do decide to dumpt their season tickets...
tell them to mail their tickets to me, I’ll take them.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha me too!
tell them my email is in my profile :)
by tomahawk44 on Nov 2, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they arent getting rid of them just not going to the games
i dont agree i told them he is only one person there are several other Chiefs to root for
by jrcnc on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tell them to go just take the anti Lj signs with them :)
by tomahawk44 on Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha i will
i wish i didnt live so far away i would be there everygame. i got upset last week when the stadium was empty before the third quarter was over, but can you blame them?
by jrcnc on Nov 2, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just plain dumb
Don’t go to the games or give them to charity to make a point….Waste your money! Must be cakin like LJ if you are willing to waste tickets.
Predictions for 2009:
**LJ runs for 1800 yards**
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home and some idiot in a red #31 jersey jumps out of the stands to try to stop him and gets trucked. It wasn't Priest but instead someone who cares more about the record than Priest does
**Bowe in the pro bowl**
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
**Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed**
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
**Chiefs 10-6**
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 2, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh gosh yeah
I understand not rooting for LJ, this in no way changes my feelings on the chiefs…but LJ is as good as dead to me, has been for a long time, but now…I really just hope his career goes away, he made enough money, more than any of us will see.
by SDChief on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my guess
even with him playing he is done look at the season he has had hes a bum
by tomahawk44 on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are they Chief fans, or do they just hate LJ, and could not care less abvout the Chiefs?
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they are Chiefs fans such as myself
who are sick of seeing our team ruined by crap
by jrcnc on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is fine
but if he rushes the ball more than 10 times the rest of the year…well…
ok either way Im not rooting for this guy so it really doesnt matter.
by SDChief on Nov 2, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why didn’t they abandon the Team when the Chiefs hired Herm Edwards, if they didn’t want our team ruined by crap?
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good question i'll ask them
if you use the reply function then you will reply directly to my comment that way i know you talking to me about my post
by jrcnc on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe because bottom line is Herm *wasn't* crap
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The asterisks denote sarcasm in that sentence, right?
Because Herm was crap. He was a garbage coach in NJ, and he wasn’t worth hiring, let alone two draft picks.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, it denotes emphasis
you have your opinion, I have mine … we differ, ’nuff said
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Disagree Here
Herm was crap. He deserved to get fired. He probably didn’t deserve to get hired in the first place. Unfortunately, as we discovered, just because Herm’s replacement isn’t Herm doesn’t automatically mean that replacement is good.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm past the point of even caring about this...
if you jump ship and stop supporting the team behind this, you were already looking for an escape hatch anyway. Let’s move on with our season, I hate heading into the bye week with a loss…it always turns the mood so negative.
by ill_spec on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree about looking for an escape hatch
I will watch every Chiefs game this season, but I will not buy anymore merchandise or game tickets until Larry Johnson is no longer a member of the Chiefs. My personal boycott. Anyone else care to join?
by TonyG88 on Nov 2, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is just being selfish
Larry Johnson is Larry Johnson….not the Chiefs. The Chiefs are everyone put together…..you cant try and boycott the Chiefs for one guy.
He is being punished….sorry if you think he should be put on death row…..but he just blurted out some stupid crap at a bad time. He is human and makes mistakes…..
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 2, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
repeatedly.
The Kansas City Chief's 2009 record will be 5-11.
by Druful on Nov 2, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
" ,,, you cant try and boycott the Chiefs for one guy"
sure you can … it’s called having the courage of your convictions … standing up for what’s right even if nobody else will …
you call that “punishment?” it’s lame BS … that’s like Florida giving Sproles a suspension of ONE HALF A GAME for deliberately trying to poke the eyes of an opposing player … ONE HALF A GAME … ridiculous
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spikes, you mean?
What does boycotting have to do with Spikes?
I personally boycotted the Chiefs entirely from 1998-2008. 1998 was when I first realized that Peterson really, really had to go, and I swore to not buy a single Chiefs ticket, piece of Chiefs merchandise, or even a beer at the concession stand (in instances where I had free tickets) until the day he was fired. I lived up to my oath.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Your Reply Was Better Addressed Towards Matt
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah Spikes, whoever ...
the “point” is/was that LJ’s so-called “punishment” is pathetic at best
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
100% I WILL BOYCOTT THE GAMES
I have been a fan for 44 years . I have 4 seats every game. never missed a game. I just feel like the chiefs dont care about the fans anymore.
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Nov 2, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Respect your feelings
send someone else you paid for the tickets already.
I agree if I had the power :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That kind of defeats a major part of the purpose of a boycott
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well a boycott of paid seats defeats the purpose too
Now Charles can tell the Redcoaters about his feelings, right
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it doesn't
the ticket cost is only part of the impact. Not showing up also has an impact, because a bunch of empty seats are embarrassing, and teams also make a lot of their revenue off of things other than ticket costs, like merchandise, concessions, and attendance-based advertisements.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're basing this on a few games in the Pioli administration?
How is that even reasonable after you so steadfastly stood by them through the Peterson era?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not Pioli
it’s Johnson I think
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am clicking on reply, but for whatever reason, it isn’t working right for me.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
The comment box should shift to the right a little bit. Maybe let your computer load.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 2, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO
Blue, I could say something TV related but I will leave that alone….
Predictions for 2009:
**LJ runs for 1800 yards**
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home and some idiot in a red #31 jersey jumps out of the stands to try to stop him and gets trucked. It wasn't Priest but instead someone who cares more about the record than Priest does
**Bowe in the pro bowl**
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
**Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed**
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
**Chiefs 10-6**
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 2, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m at work, not on WEBTV. I can’t even acces this site with WEBTV, D.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can get this site at work?
What do you do? I would love to have a job like that!!
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 2, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d tell you, but then I’d have to kill you. Off the clock right now, though.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your not serious...
You dont have a WebTV do you?? Please tell me your joking…
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 2, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't....
Been making fun of him for years..
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 2, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I used to rock a WebTV…..they were so cool. But then I got a computer and was like wow what did I ever see in the WebTV…..
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 2, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE my WEBTV, and surfing from my bed, while watching it on the big screen, and watching TV on the other half of the TV. But I am about 2 weeks from getting a laptop.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d tell you, but then I’d have to kill you. Off the clock right now, though.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 5:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't want him to break that record, but just gonna accept that he will. Just gotta drop it and let that anger go...
In the future, I will be rooting hard for a new Chiefs running back to destroy LJ’s record. And it will happen for sure! :]
by worc on Nov 2, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Records are made to be broken. If LJ EARNS the record(and records like that are earned, not given), G-d bless him. And there’s some junior high scool kid somehwere that I hope will shatter LJ’s record, and lead the Chiefs to multiple Super Bowls, since the only RB that ever did before was the great Mike Garrett.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about a rushing record...!!
Seriously we are 1-6!! We need to be worried about putting together some wins…not a stupid record that means nothing.
Who cares what punishment he gets…I wanna WIN! Period…..I dont care if they put in Vick at QB, Lawrence Phillips at RB and Rae Caruth at WR…..I want the Chiefs to win!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 2, 2009 5:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They dont....
Look at this
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/31/1109501/what-is-priests-record-worth
Predictions for 2009:
LJ breaks Chiefs all time rushing record at home
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 6-10
by bonesjackson on Nov 2, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!
That is VERY disturbing to me!! VERY!!
Guys need to learn how to forgive people…..everyone screws up….EVERYONE!!
This team comes before any one man!! I dont give a shit who screws up….we are CHIEFS fans…..get it together AP….
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 2, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We are AP
and we have over and over and over.
It just gets embarassing to root for Vanover, Bam Morris, etc that just cause the Chiefs to be known as a buch of Assholes. Let’s let the Raiders KEEP that title :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We are no where near the Raiders...
We have not had that many idiots on our team…..come on.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 2, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One who is in a starting position getting paid the way he is and doing what he does (most doesn't as far as performance) just bothers people :P
He’s cancerous and known to be in the past with his negative comments. The team doesn’t need these distractions.
by worc on Nov 2, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We Are Worse Than The Raiders
And we were worse than them last year. And we were just as bad as them the year before. And we don’t even have the excuse of having JaMarcus Russell as our QB.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant as having assholes as Chiefs
We are definitely looking up Raiders arse right now
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And That's The Most Depressing Thing Of All
There’s no excuse for being worse than the 2009 Oakland Raiders. None. Their goddamn QB can’t even hit a WR!!!
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coach can, though.
Right in the jaw!
(low hanging fruit)
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 2, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and thinks 2 completions to WR and an Int is a good performance
108 yards damn, oh and lose
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think They Ought To Make Him A Tackle
And force him to block. It’s not like they’ll be risking a good QB with his replacement.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, everyone screws up .... but when a guy screws up over and over and over again ...
and there is no kind of responsibility for it … there’s a problem, period
LJ is not bigger than the team, not bigger than football, not bigger than society … he’s a lameass pisspoor excuse of a human who needs to learn, because so far he most certainly hasn’t … stop making excuses, stop excusing his abuse of society
damn right I’m a Chiefs fan, which is why I want LJ as far from the team as possible
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed On All Points
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We agree
I must be coming around :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgiveness
I don’t tend to forgive people who don’t actually show contrition (meaning they change their ways) or until they’re gone so they’re no longer an irritant. Neither description fits Johnson. So screw ’em.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for the no wins
1. We have probably 2 possible wins Cleveland and Oakland left.
2. LJ is not the future of the Chiefs.
3. LJ will probably not win us any games by himself.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is crap
1. You cant possibly know that!
2. Most of these guys arent the “future” but it doesnt mean you cant play them.
3. No one wins games by themselves….its called a team sport!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 2, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup, it's a TEAM thing ... unfortunatelty LJ could care less about the "team"
he’s only in it for himself, whatever it is … it’s all about him …
screw that
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you’d rather lose every game, than have LJ break some meaningless record? I just don’t get that mentality of hating a player so much, that you’d put his accomplsihment, over the team winning.
I agree LJ isn’t our future, that has little to do with him breaking the record or not.
by dablueguy on Nov 2, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about the record
Others do and LJ does
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to, but I'm over it. :]
People will come around and wake up…it’s just the record is a positive memory they desperately want to hold onto…haha. Let it go!
by worc on Nov 2, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather lose with honor and dignity than win with LJ
anyday, anytime, anywhere
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LJ
Will never be the premier back again. We will always give carries to other RB’s we have instead of focusing on LJ.
Chiefs Top Five Solo Tackle Leaders:
Demorrio Williams -37 Tackles
Mike Brown -33 Tackles
Mike Vrable -25 Tackles
Corey Mays -24 Tackles
Brandon Flowers -19 Tackles
by Chiefsfan85 on Nov 2, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is no way this is over,
there will still be more drama. LJ will have another meltdown, I would imagine they will let him have a carry or two, but I would imagine we see a rb by commitee the rest of the season. The pa does not have a leg to stand on when it comes to who starts, and who does not. LJ will not be the Chiefs featured back any longer.
LJ really screwed up this time, he has had many chances, suspend him for the season, keep him out of Chiefs facilities.
by Eric Allen on Nov 2, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LJ deserves another chance...with another team
Let the Iggles sign him. I hope that if he does make the active roster again, he rides the bench the whole time. No way I want him to even be in a jersey, but he doesn’t deserve the “meaningless” record.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Like I Said...
…the Chiefs have no further comment on the matter.
Unlike everybody else :-)
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
by RDOGuy on Nov 2, 2009 8:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well we ain't Cleveland
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 2, 2009 8:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nope
They just fired their GM…after six months. And their incompetent coach will likely be gone by year’s end.
And frankly I think they made the right move.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone keeps putting blame on Haley and Pioli...
but what I wanna know is ,when does Clark Hunt step in and say “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH”. He is the one that signs the checks..And he was here to observe LJ and all his bullshit from the get go….I know he hired these guys to make those decisions, but it is HIS team that is getting the bad rap from a guy that has caused too many problems and has helped to bring this team down….
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good question
but then, he may have ALREADY called Pioli and/or Haley and said “play him as soon as you can” … or … “bench his sorry ass forever”
we have no clue what, if anything, he has done
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Doubt We Ever Will
Hunt’s not really the kind of owner who seems to seek headlines. And I think he lets his people do the jobs he hired them for.
But I can’t imagine he’s been happy with this season so far. And he seems knowledgeable enough about football to understand where things have gone wrong.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well every smart businessman should know when to cut his losses and move on....But you could be right, Clark could be the one saying play him cause we owe him money..
I just know why they are sooooo concerned with his cap hit when we are waaaay under the cap anyway
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Doubt It
He’s never really given any indication he’s that far down in the weeds of managing the football team.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine though that if there was some mass "boycott" that he'd get involved quickly and decisively
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im just tired of seeing this jackass...
get a slap on the wrist everytime he acts out,breaks the law,or doesnt produce… If you never really have to pay the price for screwing up, then you never really learn a lesson. Someone needs to show his spoiled little ass that there a stiff penalties for being an asshole….in life, and on the field.
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I Don't Care About Him Getting A Life Lesson
He’s not worth the hassle and I don’t believe he’d change anyway…I just want the Chiefs to get rid of him.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed and rec'd KCinAZ
and yeah Crawford, I doubt he’s “learn” but he still should get more penalties/fines/reprisals/whatever
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Revenge Is Pointless
And that’s all penalties and fines would be…an attempt at revenge. And it doesn’t work with someone who doesn’t really care. Better to just cut ties altogether and move on.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree here ...
the motive isn’t “revenge” at all … the motive is showing the punk that there ARE consequences for actions …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Revenge
Payback for all the frustration he’s caused us. It’s not worth it. Just send him on his way and forget the miserable bastard.
And I’ll never forgive Haley if he lets Johnson get the franchise rushing record. That should be Priest’s record.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford, if you never have consequences then you continue to do the same thing(s) over and over again ...
that’s like saying “nah, don’t toss that murderer in jail, that would just be useless revenge … send him to North Dakota”
and that’s why LJ does the same things again and again … there never HAVE been consequences … the point isn’t will he learn … maybe he will, maybe he won’t … but allowing him to “get away with it” sets what kind of example for others?
please …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If He's No Longer On The Team
What do we care what Johnson continues to do? He won’t be our problem anymore. He’ll just be Larry the Broke Woman-Beating Ex-Player Who Can’t Get Jay-Z To Return His Calls.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
loveya bro, but you're missing the "big picture" here
but I’m more exhausted than you, so I’ll h ave to explain another time
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About The Only Thing I Think Will Happen With No Further Punishment
Is that the players will lose all respect for their head coach. And frankly, I think that was probably inevitable anyway. Because Todd Haley is a pretty terrible head coach who probably never should have been hired this early in his career to run a team.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
... or, the next guy who thinks it's "ok" to use the slurs that LJ used ...
… will point to LJ and say “see? he did it and nothing happened, so I guess I can, too”
the penalties and consequences need to be there – if they do nothing for LJ, fine and so be it … the point is to HAVE those consequences in place for ANYONE, regardless of who it is
as for LJ himself, perhaps if he’d gotten more and stiffer consequences PREVIOUSLY in his life none of this would have happened …
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisiton!
by upamtn on Nov 2, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For The Slurs
I despise homophobic slurs, but on the other hand I tend to think that portion of Johnson’s behavior was being overblown while the part about his general attitude towards fans and the coaching staff was being underreported. Johnson wasn’t going on a rant about gay people.
But overall I think the best course of action would have been for the Chiefs to suspend him internally and file a grievance and the NFL to give us a similar ruling to this offseason’s (after which the team cuts him). So far, the Chiefs’ handling of the situation appears to have been woefully inappropriate in almost all regards and it’s costing me what little respect I had left for Haley (which, admittedly, wasn’t much) and Pioli (which has been dropping steadily since his only good move of the offseason, the Cassel trade).
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 3, 2009 6:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
I think most players are smart enough to realize they don’t want to get all the hassle that Johnson does. They’re adults, not children…most are capable of understanding right from wrong no matter what happens to Larry Johnson.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wasnt talking about revenge...
I was just saying that he needs to know there are cosequences when u F-up….Four assaults on women…worst thing he ever got was probation. Didnt he point a gun at one of them?…Demeaning your coach…er coaches….Im just saying that everytime he screws up he gets a break and does it again….this time is no different.
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, But What Would Be The Point?
Is Johnson really going to learn anything from more punishment? No. Is it going to make him a better player? No. Is it going to help the team? No.
There’s no upside to continuing to punish Johnson that wouldn’t be exceeded by simply telling Johnson and moving on. He’s not worth further consideration.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
telling = cutting
Getting tired…off to bed.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IN the meantime...
TG just caught a big pass to convert on a 4th down…..somehow HE was expendable…..what a joke!
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He Wasn't Expendable, Per Se
He just wasn’t part of the future here and we got a decent draft pick for him. I didn’t like the trade, but I also didn’t think it was the worst trade ever. And honestly, I’m glad for Tony that he’s not stuck here this season.
I’d rather it was Johnson that we got rid of, though.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know....just venting a little
but its funny that the all time best TE in the NFL who is still producing yr in and yr out…..is not part of your future…hell Id take him back just to come in a block somebody….he wouldnt even have to catch a pass…..lol
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He Was Getting Older
And as much as I love the guy, he wasn’t going to play forever and I don’t think he wanted to be here any more. And I can’t really blame him…he put in his time and I wish him well on his quest for a ring. Wish it could have happened here, but realistically I don’t think the Chiefs are anywhere near that kind of improvement.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what your saying
I just find it kind of ironic that we cut ties with an ALL TIME GREAT, and the model NFL player that always showed up,never held out,was a great leader in the locker room, never had an off the field issue …ever….but we couldnt live without LJ even when we had the chance to get rid of him before the season started….But I am happy for Tony G….he deserved to go somewhere and win…But i bet you, even though he wanted to leave the chiefs, if we had kept him this yr, he would have been playing his heart out just like every other game….He is my all time favorite player…right up there with DT.
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Happened To Joe Montana Too
And Johnny Unitas. And Y.A. Tittle. And Tony Dorsett. And a lot of other great players.
That’s just life in the NFL…the odds are that you won’t finish with the team you start out with. But yes, I do wish he’d been able to finish as a Chief.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but most of those players were replaced by young up and coming stars....
we replaced TG with…wait for it….Brad Cottam..who isnt even seeing the playing field anymore..
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never Should Have Drafted Cottam
Should have drafted Anthony Collins with that pick.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats been the problem with this team for yrs....woulda, shoulda, coulda...
by KCinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, It Has
We can usually find better players the Chiefs should have drafted or signed because the ones they have signed turn out to be so underwhelming (and so does the team). Been the case for the last decade under two different GMs and four head coaches.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 3, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I Get The Venting Too
I’m feeling about the same. Thought last season was as angry as I could get with this team…funny the difference a year makes.
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Nov 2, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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