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Chiefs Coach Talks About Wrestlers Turned Football Players

In early October the Kansas City Chiefs worked out a wrestler, who had never played football before.  It seemed a bit odd, at first, but we just chalked it up to the Patriots connection, since he had previously tried out with the Patriots.

Today, Todd Haley talked a little more about wrestlers and why they might make good football players.

"I love wrestlers from the standpoint of balance if nothing else," Haley said, "linemen who have been wrestlers, too. A lot of times when he’s been a wrestler he has a little lower of gravity and not built for speed so much."

Haley was talking about wrestlers because a reporter pointed out LB Jovan Belcher's background as a high school All-American wrestler.  He said Belcher doesn't have the body of a typical wrestler but his background can never hurt.

"But I think that does nothing but help you," he said. "There isn’t anything tougher than that. You go in those wrestling rooms and it’s 100 degrees and a lot of sweat."

Interesting. 

It makes sense though that wrestlers could potentially make for a good NFL body.  Wrestling and offensive or defensive line play can't be that far off.  As Haley says, it certainly can't hurt.

Any wrestlers who have played football out there?  I'd be interested to hear your take on this.

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i was a wrestler in high school and played football

and it seemed to help with a lot of things. holding up blocks, making tackles, leg drive, just to name a few. i think all athletics have carry over to one another

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by kcguy on Nov 19, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

I wrestled

and played football in high school, probably could have wrestled in college, I Don’t know if I ever really thought about a correlation. One thing I guess that could have been helpful is that we used to wrestle blindfolded so that we would learn to do everything based on feel. as soon as you made contact, you were moving. We all had a lot of lower body strength that would bode well for helping balance and explosion… I guess I never really thought about it.

Too bad the chiefs just signed a new fullback…. oh well there’s always next year… ha

by callmesir on Nov 19, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

I agree. My obversation is that wrestler's have excellent balance, keep a

lower center of graviety, and are hard to knock off their feet. I think Curly Culp was a wrestler.

by jcox31mc on Nov 19, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

Here you go:

Curley Culp (born March 10, 1946 in Yuma, Arizona) is a former professional American football player. A versatile offensive and defensive lineman, he played college football at Arizona State University, and played professionally in the American Football League for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1968 and 1969, and for the National Football League Chiefs, Houston Oilers, and the Detroit Lions. He was an AFL All-Star in 1969 and a six-time AFC-NFC Pro Bowler.

College years
During his years at Arizona State, this future NFL stalwart honed his skills on the gridiron by becoming a master grappler on the mats — winning the 1967 NCAA heavyweight wrestling title. His combination of compact bulk, amazing leverage “I got my strength carrying 50-gallon cans of feed on my dad’s pig farm in Yuma,” said Curley and quickness made him the prototype that all future nose tackles would be measured by. Pro defenses in the 1970s then began widespread use of the versatile 3-4 alignment, made possible by these powerful titans of the middle.

Culp was also an outstanding wrestler. In 1967 he dominated the NCAA tournament by pinning three of four opponents while capturing the heavyweight title. As a wrestler, he was known for his unstoppable lateral drop. Culp was also named to the 1968 U.S. Olympic wrestling team.

Due to his accomplishments both in football and wrestling, Culp was named the Greatest Athlete in the History of Arizona during the state’s centennial celebration. He was named All-American in football by the Sporting News and TIME in 1967.

by jcox31mc on Nov 19, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

Also did both in High School

It’s a pretty common overlap, as they have different ‘seasons’ in high school. I would agree that balance would be the biggest overlap between the two. Tackling would probably be improved for football players as well.

by Boots 58 on Nov 19, 2009 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

hs wrestler

who turned down wrestling scholarships to play college football. I think it always helped me, as an O-lineman. I agree with kcguy for sure that other sports help you in whatever sport you choose. whether its from a balance standpoint, training regimen, etc, you are definitely more coordinated when training/participating in more than one sport.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..

by be cee on Nov 19, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

I did not.....

Wrestle in HS, but my class was part of 2 state championships, and lost our third by 1/2 point, and were always knows as a wrestling school. My sport was football, and being a small school we all played football, and then about 1/2 played bball and the other 1/2 wrestled, so I played Football with alot of wrestlers, and I definately think it can help. That said, there is no prerequisite that you have to have wrestled to be a great football player.

Wrestling as a sport to me is a very broad based sport because of weight classes. Our bread and butter were not the big weight classes, but the small and medium weight classes and our football team reflected that. A 275 pound match is a whole different game than a 103 pound wrestling match.

Things I noticed is that our wrestlers were incredible tacklers, especially in the open field. They could catch an ankle and drop a guy quickly, and the wrestlers almost always tackled low, whereas some of the non wrestlers like me liked to tackle more chest to chest or at the waist. I think balance was improved but I would say in my experience we had an explosion and a nasty attitude that other teams didn’t, and I think some of that came from the wrestlers. It was a mentality that it didn’t matter what the guy across from you was, you were gonna tear him up every play. Also while not a blazing fast team as far as top end speed, from linemen to backs we were all extremely quick, and explosive.

by Zimmy on Nov 19, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry, I keep reading further. You younger people probably don't remember Culp

but he was pretty amazing. Here’s another paragraph, see what the comments are about the 3-4 defense:
At 6’1" and 265 lbs, Culp was considered a bit too short for the defensive line and a bit too slow to play linebacker. He moved from Denver to Kansas City in search of a team that could properly utilize his unique talents. Culp’s play as a nose tackle actually took root in Super Bowl IV. Chiefs coach Hank Stram, in an attempt to nullify the Minnesota Vikings’ quick outside rushing attack, decided to line Culp directly nose-to-nose with Vikings center Mick Tingelhoff. The smaller Tingelhoff could not block Culp one-on-one and had to be helped by the other linemen. This freed teammates Buck Buchanan, Willie Lanier, and other Chiefs defenders to get into the Vikings offensive backfield and shut down their running game. This game is often credited as the advent of the 3-4 defense.[by whom?]

"Curly Culp was a tremendous athlete," Pro Football Hall of Fame QB Len Dawson said. "He had such strength and quickness. I remember Jack Rudnay used to say that every center in the league should have to go against Curly in order to know what it’s like to go against the very best."

Culp helped anchor the Kansas City defensive line during one of the greatest eras of Chiefs football. Heralded as one of the quickest defensive linemen in the league, Culp spent seven seasons in Kansas City (1968-1974). He was a starting defensive tackle on the Chiefs Super Bowl IV squad and appeared in 82 games with Kansas City. A member of the Chiefs 25-Year All-Time Team, Culp played in the 1969 AFL All-Star Game and the 1971 Pro Bowl. He was twice honored as the Associated Press Defensive Player of the Week and claimed the Chiefs unofficial sack crown in 1973 with 9 QB takedowns. Culp also registered five fumble recoveries in his Kansas City career.

by jcox31mc on Nov 19, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

Curley should be

The greatest Chief to wear number 61 when the list gets to him.

by Chiefs70man on Nov 19, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Nice reference

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by Chris Thorman on Nov 19, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

A BIT OF INFO

I believe len said one reason that Jcak Rudnay was such a good center was he was a wrestler also.

gordymule

by gordymule on Nov 19, 2009 5:01 PM CST reply actions  

When I was in High School

there was a neighboring town whose football team that hadn’t won a game in 7 years when I graduated. It took them 4 more years to get a win. 11 years without a single win, the reason was that the wrestling coach pushed the talented athletes to wrestle and refused to let them play football so they wouldn’t get hurt. Once the wrestlers started playing football again the team started getting wins again. Not saying it wasn’t just a lack of talent, but it sure couldn’t have hurt.

by Jawookie on Nov 19, 2009 5:52 PM CST reply actions  

Jared Allen

Broke out once he started MMA. I guess he is sort ot a football player turned wrestler but it def. helped him

by Stan13ag on Nov 19, 2009 6:11 PM CST reply actions  

wrestling helps with foot movement and hand control too

I did both in HS, and being able to combine good balance with better foot movement and hand movement made me a better football player. We looked funny as all the other starting offensive linemen were 6 foot or taller and there was me, the starting guard at 5’8", but no one could get by me because I could get lower and could move my feet after contact a lot better than the average highschool player.

So I am definitely on board with that.

by tebunker on Nov 19, 2009 6:15 PM CST reply actions  

Wrestled in high school...

and my Coach always said: “A great wrestler is at least good at any other sport”

I believe it. Every football player we had on that small squad my senior year went on to play college football on scholarship.

he was injured. injured bad.

by troy145 on Nov 19, 2009 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

I coached both but was mainly a high school wrestling coach.

Without question the best football players at our school were kids that had also wrestled.

I was reading a couple of years ago that football crazy schools in Texas were starting to put more kids into wrestling programs to improve their football play.

If I were a high school football coach I would really, really want my players to wrestle too.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Nov 19, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

Lorenzo Neil wrestled also...

It helps out balance wise and also with controlling people. Wrestlers know how to make another person react and act on that reaction. They are also mentally tough…I really have never known a wrestler (high school or college) that had ever quit at anything because they couldnt do it. Wrestling would help in football with the OL or even DE…they want to snap down the OL or jack them up and shuck them by (if you have never wrestled you probably dont know what im talking about) but trust me…it helps.

by Wrestler189s on Nov 19, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

Cool thread going here

I love that Joel asked about wrestlers playing football and gets ten responses with great info.

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by Chris Thorman on Nov 19, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions  

Greco roman vs. freestyle

I would imagine greco roman wrestling would be good training for linemen because of the leverage & balance that is used, However I think they tend to be shorter. Freestyle lends itself to linebacker’s skills because of the emphasis on takedowns.

by BGiZZY on Nov 19, 2009 11:26 PM CST reply actions  

I am very impressed

A whole bunch of insightful comments… and not a single Hulk Hogan gag! Bravo!

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 20, 2009 8:27 AM CST reply actions  

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