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Let Haley Be Haley

I can't ever recall a time that the demeanor of a Kansas City Chiefs head coach was under so much scrutiny by fans and the media.  It's gotten so bad that conspiracy theories are starting to surface.  People are going over game tapes to see if Todd Haley is being targeted by evil network TV directors intent on ruining his career for the sake of a few ratings points.

Perhaps it is time for a dose of reality.

Let's start with this: nobody - and this includes you, me and Jason Whitlock - has any real handle on what it takes to motivate professional athletes.  That is, of course, unless you have been the head coach of a professional sports team.

Oh, sure… we all think we have a pretty good idea.  Most of us have jobs.  Some of us have kids.  There are those among us who have been in the military, taught school, or run businesses.  A few of us have even played or coached sports at the high school or college level.

And all of us are using our experience in these areas to support our opinions on Todd Haley's demeanor.  They fall into two general categories: a) that Todd Haley is an out of control maniac whose emotional outbursts will eventually cause him to lose control of his team, or b) that Todd Haley is a great head coach whose outbursts are giving the team the discipline it needs, and forcing players to be accountable for their play.

Star-divide

People on both sides of issue can make compelling arguments based on their own experiences in various hierarchial models.  But none of these models are really quite like a professional sports team.  They all have the same flaw: none of them include employees (or students, soldiers, or athletes) who are all proud, talented young men - some of them very immature, with little or no real life experience - and who, after years of work, have reached the mountaintop.  They've signed contracts worth at least half a million dollars a year - often for much more - and are besieged by fans who want their autograph at every turn.  None of us know what that's like, or what it takes to motivate young men like these to give 110%.

You may, for example, have a pretty good idea of what it takes to motivate the people who work in your restaurant.  But your patrons don't come in to the place wearing jerseys bearing the numbers worn by your cooks and waitresses, do they?  You might know exactly what it takes to get your students to perform at a high level in class.  But would those techniques work if your students were making ten times your salary just to show up?   You may have been a lieutenant who found a way to turn a group of raw recruits into a sharp platoon.  But what you did might not have worked if those recruits returned to their barracks each night and found a line of autograph seekers and groupies waiting for them.

I will accept that those who have played or coached sports at the high school or college level might have a better idea of what it takes than most of us.  But even at the major college level - with its full ride scholarships, under-the-table deals for cars, posh living arrangements and pocket money for stars - athletes are still self-motivated to reach the final destination: the pros.  Once they reach that pinnacle, all bets are off.

So we are left with the examples provided by successful professional coaches.  Some point Bill Parcells and Bill Cowher to show that Todd Haley is on the right track.  But for every Parcells there is a Tom Landry, and for every Cowher there is a Dick Vermeil.  The fact is that among pro sports coaches, there is no single personality type that consistently provides success.

In the specific case of the Chiefs, the issue has been clouded by the huge contrast in style between Haley and his predecessor Herm Edwards.  For many, Edwards' passive style on the sidelines was seen as a symptom of everything that was wrong with the Chiefs, and they enthusiastically welcomed Haley's fiery antics.  In truth, how Edwards behaved on sideline had little to do with his W/L record.  Likewise, what Haley does on the sideline will very likely make little real difference in the fortunes of the team under his stewardship.

I will admit that the first outburst I noticed this season - when Haley could be clearly seen telling Brodie Croyle to "snap the f---ing ball" after Croyle had called a timeout - disquieted me.  And I found myself nodding approval when Haley later said he had realized he needed to dial it down a notch or two.
 
But over time, I have come to realize that Todd Haley has enough on his plate without having to rein in his personality.  It's hard enough to coach an NFL team - especially if you're wearing multiple hats.  Let's not make it harder than it has to be.

Todd Haley will have best chance for success if he is simply allowed to be who he is - whatever that may be.  He will succeed or fail on the basis of his ability to coach this team - not on his personality type.  On this issue at least, let's leave the man alone - and stop arguing over stuff none of us really know anything about.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Yelling for effect loses its effect after a time

It becomes belittling and can do more harm than good. I’m a Haley backer, but I wish he’d get control of his emotions a little bit. It would be like a really talented player getting a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty every few weeks. Love the player, hate the attitude.

by Ozarks on Nov 19, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree on your point about constant yelling

but we just don’t know if all he does is yell. We aren’t there for the quiet moments when he pulls a guy aside and tells him good job or sits down next to him on the bench to talk through what happened. I am not saying that his temper might not end up being his undoing but if he succeeds it won’t just be because of his yelling, it will be because of the other things he does that we might not see.

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by Patrick Allen on Nov 19, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I respect your opinion

But disagree.

You say that he has so much on his plate, that why not let his personality shine through? Have you ever tried to do multiple tasks while extrememly pissed off? Its impossible. I saw a program about the 1996 (I think) Green Bay Packers where Coach Holmgren was so pissed at his team that he relinquished play calling duties for the rest of the game because he knew he couldn’t objectivly call plays in his state of mind. I’d rather my coach “show weakness” in himself for the better of the team, rather than rant and rave and scream, then make a crucial 3rd down play call.

I also don’t see the difference between coaching pro athletes and other professionals. I am a manager of a bank and if I acted the way he acted, I’d have been fired a long time ago. As stupid as it sounds, I don’t see any difference between a 300 pound lineman and a 130 pound teller. Both are adults, both are professionals, and both deserve to be treated as such…the fact the lineman makes $5M and the teller makes $50K shouldn’t matter.

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by craig in calgary on Nov 19, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

there are several differences inluding, but not limited to

being coached in sports is entirely different than being managed in a professional setting. players are under contract to the team and pretty much have to do what their bosses say due to said contract whereas your employees are free to leave if they don’t like you or your management style. you, as a bank manager, probably are not evaluated every week on your performance for the previous week nor is everything you say (or supposedly said) available to be scrutinized by others outside of your organization. to be honest, just about anyone can learn to do jobs in banks, businesses, etc and it doesn’t require tons of motivating (i know this as i am a professional manager as well) to do their jobs compared to professional sports. i could keep going but the gist of what i am saying is there is no point in trying to draw parallels from professional sports to working in a bank. some leadership principles can carry over but dealing solely with 21-35 year old men whose job it is is to hit someone else hard with proper technique for 60 minutes takes a different style than teaching someone to count money and be nice to customers

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by kcguy on Nov 19, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Good point.

That’s why I try not to judge from the perspective of my own job as teacher, where you don’t EVER rant and rave (although engaging in some theatrics CAN extend the attention span). What’s easy to miss, and you put your finger on it, is these guys have to play with an absolute abandon, and if the coach isn’t totally in the moment, how can he expect his guys to be? Teams tend to reflect the personality of their coach, and I personally LIKE a coach who goes into every game thinking he can win it and gets plumb mad dog mean when the chips are down.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And i disagree

I have multitasked while being extremely pissed off and i think that turned out ok.. i mean im sitting here right now.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Nov 19, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well played!

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Apples and Oranges

If I am in Iraq and I have a soldier that won’t stick his head out the port of a vehicle to watch for incoming fire, I am not going to coddle his ass trying to get him to do his job. Every profession is different and has a completely different mentality associated with it. Football is a violent game that breeds anger, teams that have fiery, emotional coaches often will play with an explosive attitude. Coaches with calm demeanors often are described as precise, surgical teams.
Marty’s Chiefs played with fire and grit, just like their head coach. Vermiel’s Chiefs played with a calm swagger and executed plays with precision… Apples and Oranges.

by sandpro on Nov 19, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Marty’s Chiefs played with fire and grit, just like their head coach.

And they got the same deer-in-the-headlights look about them when Marty looked or acted unsure of himself, or pulled some stupid stunt on offense that backfired on him.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between an NFL player and a teller

is that the teller is expendable. You can find thousands of people in an instant that can step in and do the job of teller just as well or better. You lose a lineman, and well, you see what happens with the Chiefs being a prime example.

by old_school on Nov 20, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Reminds me of a convo I had a few weeks/months back, where I talked (nonsense) about how your program lives and dies by the fortunes of the big men. If they don’t buy in, nothing will go right for you. And there WAS some smoke from over the ridge when Haley and Waters met up last winter. He very well might’ve gotten himself crossways with his big men on O.

But I think as the season progresses, and these guys likely feel better than they’ve EVER felt this many weeks in, and they might be realizing that Haley’s really been trying to take care of them the best he could. At the time, they may’ve HATED the offseason grind he inflicted, and his manner in so doing. But NOW maybe the grind of the regular season isn’t as bad as memory told them it would be. Maybe. Might.

We’ll see if the season-ending-injury bug stays away. So far, nothing catastrophic. (Knock on wood.)

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Nov 21, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

His attitude and lack of success...

is not going to make it any easier to land FA players in the offseason. The NFL players are a tight group. They talk. Now if a FA has a couple of offers from other teams, his attitude might be this…“KC is in horrible shape, and I hear that Todd Haley is an asshole coach,I think Im gonna sign with Jacksonville.”
Not many grown men are going to sign up to be belittled and cussed out on a regular basis unless you overpay them.

by KCinAZ on Nov 19, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This arguement makes sense on the surface, but it's way overblown.

I’ve seen this point made again and again on AP, but frankly I just don’t see any evidence that it’s true. Players say that they sign with a team based on opportunity to play and/or win. Then they consistently go to the team offering the most money. When have we ever heard a player say that a contributing factor (let alone deciding factor) in where they will sign is how much they will be yelled at? Sure, the all make press statements after signing talking about how much they like the Coach, program etc, but they never talk about that being a factor during the process.

So why is that? Because it’s not an important factor. Players know they have a small window to make as much money as possible. They will go to whomever makes the best offer. Period. All players have been yelled at. There are yellers on every staff. Even the HCs that are considered to be a “players coach” have assistants who are hard asses. Frankly, having some variance in management styles within an organization is healthy. Every plkayer is different, so those who don’t relate to the HC (whether he’s a screamer or a hugger) will find an assistant they can relate to.

I’ll give you that there may be a very small percentage of player who may view being yelled at as something to consider when choosing a team. I won’t

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by KCSatchmo on Nov 19, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I said.."its not going to make it any easier"

There is a lot of reasons the Chiefs do not(or have not) landed many big name FA.
 1.Carl Peterson never wanted to pay anybody and I think Pioli will be somewhat the same way considering he came from NE and the dont hand out big contracts very often.

 2.We are a smaller market team, in the mid-west. Not a lot of national exposer, its cold,and not a whole hell of a lot to do when your a multi-millionaire. Environment means a lot to many players. If you had money to burn and the choice, would you rather live and play in sunny Florida, or KC?

3.We are rebuilding, could be a couple yrs before we even sniff the playoffs.Nobody wants to be a loser.I know money makes that easier to swallow, but still, if you have a choice, and the offers are pretty close, they go to the team that has the best chance to win NOW!

Now if you add all these factors in, and then have a coach with the reputation for being a slave driving asshole, Its not going to make it any easier to sign free agents.

by KCinAZ on Nov 19, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad teams in small markets sign free agents all the time

Big time players have egos. They always think they are the missing piece. Fas go where the money is. You’re right on factor number 1. 2 & 3 just simply aren’t that big of a deal. Players don’t take less money to play near a beach. They use their money to buy off-season homes on the beach.

As for slave driving asshole reputation, see my points above. They get slave drivers everywhere and asshole is just the perception of fans and media who don’t like Haley.

Look, I’m not saying Haley is going to be a great coach. I really have no idea. It’s too soon to make a proper judgement on him considering the talent he inherited is severely lacking. But to think he needs to turn into Mr Niceguy to make attracting FAs easier is ludicrous.

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by KCSatchmo on Nov 19, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Post

I think for most fans it comes down to would I be motivated to give my best if someone did that to me. I’m a music teacher who has played in bands of various kinds for years and in that time I have played under some brutal directors. I remember one college jazz band rehearsal when the director stopped the group and just laid into the trumpet section (my section). I still remember what he said almost word for word (excuse the language)
“STOP!!!! Trumpets, what the hell is that? Seriously I don’t even know what to say about that. Horrible, just garbage from beginning to end. In fact, I don’t even want to waste my time trying to fix that. You aren’t even good enough for me to work with right now. So pack your shit up and get the hell out of here. I’m serious, I don’t want you back in my band until you can at least play something that sounds like music. If you show back up tommorrow you better be able to play the damn parts because you show back up tommorrow and play that garbage and I’ll really lose it. You just think I’m pissed right now. I’ll cut every single one of you guys and call some buddies of mine to come play the concert if that’s all you got. I’m not marching you bozos out there for a concert with my name on the program and having you suck the joint up like that. Hell no, not happening. So pack up and get out here and go learn the damn music. In the mean time I’m going to rehearse the people in this group that can actually play their damn instruments. Get out.”
I have never been so humiliated and pissed and angry at someone in my entire life. I have also never worked as hard to make sure I knew what I was doing. Not only for the next rehearsal, but for the rest of the time I was in his band. I worked harder to make sure I knew my parts then any of the directors I “liked”. Now he laid into me and others on more then one occaision, but never quite like that. So part of the reason I remember that and it made such an impact is because he didn’t do that to us every day. I feel, like others that Todd Haley’s “emotions” are fine, he just has to make sure he doesn’t over do it so that the players start to zone him out.

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by KCporkchop on Nov 19, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

This arguement makes sense on the surface, but it's way overblown.

I’ve seen this point made again and again on AP, but frankly I just don’t see any evidence that it’s true. Players say that they sign with a team based on opportunity to play and/or win. Then they consistently go to the team offering the most money. When have we ever heard a player say that a contributing factor (let alone deciding factor) in where they will sign is how much they will be yelled at? Sure, the all make press statements after signing talking about how much they like the Coach, program etc, but they never talk about that being a factor during the process.

So why is that? Because it’s not an important factor. Players know they have a small window to make as much money as possible. They will go to whomever makes the best offer. Period. All players have been yelled at. There are yellers on every staff. Even the HCs that are considered to be a “players coach” have assistants who are hard asses. Frankly, having some variance in management styles within an organization is healthy. Every plkayer is different, so those who don’t relate to the HC (whether he’s a screamer or a hugger) will find an assistant they can relate to.

I’ll give you that there may be a very small percentage of player who may view being yelled at as something to consider when choosing a team. I won’t

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by KCSatchmo on Nov 19, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

disregard

The response was intended for KCinAZ above. I’m a victim of the weird double-post gremlins.

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by KCSatchmo on Nov 19, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on the players...

It doesnt matter if we like it or not, it matters if the guys on the sidelines can take it.

I also have an experience with this at my work. At one store that was infamous for this one guy who was a douche to all the vendors. Well he didnt like how I merchandised his store one day so he got me in the backroom in front of everyone back there and pointed his finger in my face and bitched me out pretty bad. I was embarassed and angry. I took the chewing and I told my bosses I never wanted to go back ever again.
To make a long story short I was made to go back and I made it a point to do my best and make sure all my bases were covered….well the guy never said another word out of the way to me.

So sometimes a good chewing will motivate some guys to do their best….sometimes it will make you wanna run away. The fight or flight reaction.

That is why we need ultimate professionals with a strong desire to win on our team. Guys who will not let their ego get the best of them. When South Carolina played Florida they had words like “Courage” on the backs of their uniforms…..I loved that. It was not a a bunch of guys playing together….it was a unit playing as one. A team with one heartbeat who will fight for one another. You know….the “right 53”.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 19, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

People are going over game tapes to see if Todd Haley is being targeted by evil network TV directors intent on ruining his career for the sake of a few ratings points.

A sensationalistic and exaggerated characterization of my position don’t you think.

Are you trying to hold readers? :)

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by Bewsaf on Nov 19, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say that

Instead, I would say that I am calling ’em the way I see ’em. And I stand by my characterization.

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 19, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with some of the comments (and agree with others!)

Haley is, as always, looking for the “right 53” . . . That means skilled players but also those with the desire to play the game. Too many players are in it for the money and it shows once they are paid. I hate to say it, but look at the Patriots – once a player is bigger than the team, they are gone. Sure Haley yells and is very emotional but that will NOT moivate a veteran professional football player! That player must be motivated to be the best on their own . . . That is who the “right 53” are.

by Dallas Chief on Nov 19, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good write up.

Also, thanks for letting me marry your daughter.

by Randa4life on Nov 19, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Aha!

Now I figured out who you are! You’re most welcome. I am proud to have you as a future son-in-law.

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 19, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I don’t believe my daughter is a reader… but clearly, my future SIL is.

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 19, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't personally trade him away did you :)

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And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 19, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No...

But my daughter traded for him, and IMO, made a great deal :-)

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 19, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha,

I know this isn’t a baseball blog, but you’re 3-4 WAR yourself.

by Randa4life on Nov 20, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh...

I had to look up what “3-4 WAR” meant. Now that I have… thank you. I think. :-)

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 20, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Moot point

Correct, none of us know how to motivate as a head coach in the NFL, but neither does Haley. He may know how to motivate as an assistant, but head coach is a whole different ballgame. Haley lost symathy as a first time head coach when he fired Chan Gailey. As a first time head coach who is already in over his head, you do not fire your OC weeks before the start of the season so you can call plays yourself. Frankly, I think the offense way playing better under Gailey anyways.

As a head coach, you have to maintain composure and be focused on the game as a whole. That is not to say remain emotionless, but you can’t blow up every other play and lose game focus.

by TampaRoyal on Nov 19, 2009 2:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Let’s start with this: nobody – and this includes you, me and Jason Whitlock – has any real handle on what it takes to motivate professional athletes. That is, of course, unless you have been the head coach of a professional sports team.

I think it’s pretty obvious based on our level of suckitude that neither does Todd Haley

by callmesir on Nov 19, 2009 3:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post RDOGuy, but I disagree

When young players come into the NFL, they have to be taught how to be professional. Young head coaches are no different.

Haley has never been responsible for an entire team before. In fact, he’s never been solely responsible for ANY players before. As an assistant, he could act however he wanted and there was always the head coach to mediate disputes between he and other coaches or players.

He doesn’t have that mediator anymore. HE is supposed to be the mediator.

It is no different than a worker who gets promoted to a supervisory position. He MUST change how he interacts with the employees, whether getting more strict or backing off because there is no go between anymore.

“Let Haley be Haley” is what he was as an assistant. When he always had someone above him to smooth things out. He cannot have that now because HE is the guy that is supposed to be smoothing things out.

So yes, Haley MUST change his approach to players and his assistants.

by ChiefDJ on Nov 19, 2009 5:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like the post, good food for thought as there are many diverse opinions here...

I am going to take this from a slightly different angle. I wholeheartedly agree that time will tell and there are opposite sides on who Haley is as a coach. There are a number of prominent players in AZ who have credited Haley. While I don’t always like what I see, I will give it time.

The things I like:
- Willing to take a risk.
- Fairly creative play calling.
- Expects the best out of players.
- Willing to admit mistakes.

Things I don’t like:
- Has not established a fairly productive offense or found an identity.
- Charles and Co. are under utilized.
- Play calling is poor at times with the old draw and abdoning the run.

One thought as I was watching a Steeler Coach press conference is that Mike Tomlin is professional in all aspects. From his dress to his smooth demeanor and statements. I don’t understand why Haley does not seek to be professional with his press conferences in the area of presentation. Always unshaven and in practice gear.

In the end, if the Chiefs were winning, all of this idle talk would not be taking place!

by casselreadychiefs on Nov 20, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

RDOGuy

This may be completely out of topic here but I had to get your response on something in my mind. I have enjoyed most of your post and was wondering – do you write for a living? Have you done any form of copywriting or journalism?

Predictions as of 06.24.2009.

Larry Johnson will be a top 3 fantasy pick once again in 2010 (after a monster season in 2009.)
Dwayne Bowe will be a 2009 Pro Bowl selection.
Brandon Flowers will have at least 6 INTs in 2009 season.
Todd Haley will have a sideline shouting match caught on TV yelling at one of his asst. coaches.

by 58 was my friend on Nov 20, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes... sort of.

But I would prefer to leave it at that for the time being. Thank you.

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 20, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

After reading comments, a few thoughts...

I completely agree that what we see of Haley on the sidelines is only a small portion of the man, and how he handles his team in total. We don’t know, for example, if what we saw of Haley on the sidelines in Oakland – where one minute he’s screaming at a player, and the next he’s sitting next to him on the bench – is something new for him, or if it’s been his technique all along. For most of us, what we see is what the TV cameras show us, and there’s no doubt they’re more interested in the fiery outbursts. Nor do we know – or are we ever likely to find out – how he conducts himself in team or individual meetings, or to some extent, even in practice.

The argument that you can’t make rational decisions in the midst of a blow-up is a compelling one. But for the sake of discussion, I would point out that it also takes an awful lot of energy to hold yourself in check – energy that might be better used elsewhere. Some people need that release, which allows them to move on to the next problem. Is Haley one of these people? I don’t know. But my own father certainly was, so it’s easy for me to think that Haley could be that kind of person.

ChiefDJ, your point is a good one. Again – just for the sake of argument – I’d like to point out that it could work the other way around, too. Mediation can be also be accomplished by assistants. I mention this because I watched Remember The Titans on one of the cable channels last night. Assuming the film is a reasonably accurate portrayal of the relationship between Herman Boone and Bill Yoast during the 1971 season at TC Wlliams High School, Boone is the hardass, and his assistant Yoast is the one who stands up for the players. But regardless of whether the film is accurately reflects what actually happened, the relationship – and its effects on the team – rang true to me.

It’s not easy for me to stand up and say, “Leave Haley’s personality out of this.” This is because he doesn’t do things the way I would if I were in his shoes; as I pointed out, Haley’s sideline intensity bothered me at first. But you can’t deny there have been a number of NFL head coaches who have been portrayed as having similar approaches, so I think it’s hard to simply say that it’s wrong – even if it isn’t neccessarily the way you would do it yourself.

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

RDO

I admit that we don’t know all the behind the scenes of what goes on. But we do know what we see, what we hear and what Haley himself tells us. Those are the things I base my opinions on.

I do not one ounce buy the argument that Haley learning to handle himself like a civilized human being takes “too much out of him”. If that is the case, he has no business being a coach. Should we allow domestic violence because it takes too much effort for the husband to keep from smacking around his wife? Maybe he needs that release too? How about teenagers that bully other kids. Maybe they need that release to function? How about your workmate who becomes a total jerk when he’s under stress and starts cussing you out and berating you in front of fellow employees? Would you put up with that or would you demand he get control of himself and act in a civilized way?

The point is, NOBODY should get a pass on antisocial behavior because its “too much for them”. Every person in society is expected to act in a civilized manner. ALL of us have to learn how to control our emotions and not say every word that comes to our mind.

Now, I’m not saying that Haley is completely out of control. The examples I gave are mostly extreme. But Haley, especially in the position of leadership he is in now, does not have the luxury to just “be himself” unrestrained. He is the guy everyone on the team, players and coaches, look to for direction.

I really have no issue with him getting after players. Pretty much all coaches do that. My concern is that he must be able to control that emotion, shut it down and push it away when he needs to think logically and bring it out and release it when the time is appropriate. Right now I think he is having a hard time doing that.

The hope of course, is that he is learning on the fly and as he gets more experience will do better in gaining control and learning to be the master of his own emotions instead of letting them control him.

by ChiefDJ on Nov 20, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Antisocial behavior?

Let’s not get too carried away. We’re not talking about Tom Cable here. :-)

Nobody has accused Todd Haley of physical violence. So your examples of abusive husbands or schoolyard bullies are essentially strawman arguments. Your example of a co-worker who goes ballistic under stress is more on point… but wouldn’t you agree that standards of behavior that apply to a typical office environment are quite different than those of an NFL sideline?

But you see… now you’ve drawn me into a debate about the merits of being Todd Haley. Pretty much my whole point is that I don’t think any of us have a real handle on what it takes to do motivate his players – so I simply don’t feel qualified to express an opinion about how he ought to be doing it.

I do, of course, agree with you that Haley needs to do whatever it takes to make the correct decisions on the sideline. The point I was making is that in Haley’s case, it’s possible that he may be able to clear his head and make those decisions better by blowing up and putting it behind him. Not certain, mind you… but possible.

I would ask this question, though: if blowing up on the sidelines leads directly to poor game time decisions, then what was the explanation for Herm Edwards’ poor game time decisions?

John

"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

by RDOGuy on Nov 20, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haley said in his presser the other day

That he has been told by a professional that he has a "crisis personality’ and is at his best when there is a crisis going on. Therefore, to think he is not able to handle the stress on the sideline is absolutely contrary to his basic personality makeup. He is who he is. The most important aspect is for him to be consistent about how he reacts…that way people know what to expect from him. You might not like it, but you know that he is going off once an hour just like the coocoo clock. The trouble begins when you have know idea what will set him off…but I don’t think that is the case.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
10/28--The Koolaid buzz is beginning to wear off. Maybe drop this back to my original thoughts on the year. Chiefs go 6-10 (and that my be optimistic!). LJ gets a restraining order to stay 1400 yards away from the Chiefs. I'll let the rest stand for now. 11/18 Oh My! Dbowe gets a restraining order to stay 1200 yards away from the Chiefs. Argh! Can we go 5-11? Can the defense make #20?

by Zodeman on Nov 21, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well he sure picked the right team to coach then

One damn crises after another in KC :)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 21, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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