The Case for Dick Jauron as Defensive Coordinator 2010
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 18, 2009 2:05 AM CST
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I comment a lot but this is my first fanpost so sorry if I make any terrible blunders.
As many of you know, Defensive specialist Dick Jauron was recently fired by the Buffalo Bills because of their rapidly degrading season. Much of the problems stemmed from his teams offensive woes (29th in league).
I knew he was a defensive mind and read somewhere on AP that he had a Haley connection but was curious about some things so I did some research. Here is what I found.
Coaching Career - Qualifications
1985 - Defensive Backs Coach - Bills defensive coordinator Hank Bullough offers Dick Jauron job as Defensive Backs coach. 1 season.
1986-1994 - Defensive Backs Coach - Green Bay Packers hire Jauron for 8 seasons again as Defensive Backs coach. He coached under Forrest Gregg, Lindy Infante, and Mike Holmgren.
1995-1998 - Defensive Coordinator - Tom Coughlin invited Jauron as Defensive Coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He stayed for 4 seasons, in 3 of which, the Jaguars made the playoffs including one AFC Championship game.
1999-2003 - Head Coach - In 1999 Jauron was named head coach of the Chicago Bears to replace Dave Wannstedt. He remained for 5 seasons and made the playoffs once. In 2001, he was named the AP Coach of the Year after a 13-3 season.
2004-2005 - Defensive Coordinator - Jauron is hired as Defensive Coordinator for 2 seasons with the Lions. Near the end of 2005 he was named the Interim Head Coach after Steve Mariucci was fired.
2006-2009 - Head Coach - Jauron is hired as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. He stayed there until he was fired yesterday by owner Ralph Wilson.
Most of this information came from Wikipedia.com
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Questions and Comments -
Dick Jauron seems certainly qualified for the position with many years of experience and success as a Defensive Coordinator. Here are some questions I had about Jauron.
Would Jauron come to Kansas City?
Maybe the most obvious question can only be answered by Jauron himself. I will discuss connections with the Chiefs later on but here are a few reasons he might provided there is an opening.
1. He has gone from Head Coach to Defensive Coordinator before. As you can see in his resume above, Jauron has went from Defensive Coordinator to Head Coach not just once, but twice in his career. He needs a job as a Defensive Coordinator until he can find another head coaching job (which I assume is his ambition). With so many big name head coaches currently unemployed at the moment, I could see that taking 3 years or so.
2. Haley has coached under Jauron. More on this later.
Can Jauron coach a 3-4 defense?
Pioli and Haley obviously are in love with the 3-4 defense and are building their personnel around the 3-4. Does Jauron have experience coaching the 3-4? The Bills ran a 4-3 base defense.
Jauron was asked recently if he runs a 4-3 because he prefers it, or if he was against the 3-4 defense. This is what he said.
You tend to play, when you come somewhere, what you inherit, said Jauron. It takes a while to accumulate the right personnel for a 3-4. I’m not averse to playing any of them, it’s really just more personnel dictated, along with your coaching staff philosophy. I’ve been in both, played in both, coached in both. If you have the right guys it can work.
He has experience with and will coach a 3-4 defense.
Quote Reference - http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/08/27/jauron-on-3-4-vs-4-3/
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Connections to the Chiefs -
This connection was mentioned by someone on AP, I am sorry I don't remember who or I would give credit where it is due.
Todd Haley coached under Jauron - From 2001-2003 Haley coached under Jauron as the Wide Receivers coach. I can not find any information on how their relationship was, but that could mean that there were no headlines which may be a good thing. Todd Haley is the only person who coached under Jauron who later became a head coach currently.
I can not find any other obvious connections, but feel free to add some in comments below, I would be happy to read them.
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There are much better candidates out there currently….(Romeo)
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Hes an upgrade...
Hes better than what we have. Will we get him though? My guess is probably not. I think Coach Haley will stick with Pendergrast for at least another year. Plus if I remember right we had other solid choices to choose from before we hired pendergrast who were much more appealing, one being Romeo Crennel.
Romeo Crennel chose not to coach this season
Lots of reports said the Chiefs were waiting on him and the Chiefs didn’t name a coordinator until after he announced he would not be coaching this season.
Remember, the Chiefs hired Pendergast and Gary Gibbs, initially not naming either of them DC.
by Joel Thorman on Nov 18, 2009 5:10 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting stuff, Lucas
I’d be worried that the Bears defense has gotten worse. The last four years they’ve been ranked from 10, 18, 14 and 22 this season.
Wouldnt it be funny if
Weis gets fired at ND and Romeo recovers from hip surgery wanting to coach and we have them as OC and DC.
ugh
i wanna be the kansas city chiefs. not the new england patriots…
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
I wanna be
a team that WINS.
And I dont care how we do it.
We’re not the “new england patriots”. We’re the Chiefs, and will be no matter who plays for the team.
Tired of hearing that comment.
I've been thinking
about Weis too.
Sick turnaround. Weis, and Romeo.
Maybe go get K. Dansby, L. Mankins, and Wilfork/Hampton.
Draft the top guy from a position of need (OL, S, LB, DE if Dorsey is traded..which I hope doesnt happen) with the first 2 or 3 picks..maybe pick up a RB, WR or another player from the original positions of need throughout the rest of the draft..
That’d be a sick flip. Get an offensive scheme in here. Wilfork/Hampton bring a huge presence to our young, potentially dangerous DL, plus Dansby and a rookie playmaker such as OLB or S helps the defense, hopefully improving D against big plays. Mankins and a rookie should stabalize the OL, giving Cassel more time to focus on passing instead of running for his life. Maybe opening holes for our RB’s to burst through. A WR or RB should give Cassel an added weapon.
Pioli is building from scratch. Maybe players arent the only thing he is rebuilding. That makes sense for why they chose not to hire a coordinator..they could be holding out for someone next season. Pendergast came here not knowing if he would even be a DC so apparently he can take a smaller role or even be fired for Crennel to take his place.
Of course, this is all "if & buts, would, should & could) scenarios but we all get smashed on the Koolaid, passout and have good dreams right?
Not funny at all
I’d say more miraculous. I’d probably break out bawling like a baby, from joy!
Do you think Pioli hired Pendergast on a condional basis?
I mean they brought him on to the coaching staff right? But they didn’t name him coordinator right away because he wasn’t their first choice. So maybe they told him once Romeo fell through, “Look, we need you to step up and implement the 3-4 for us this year. We’ll have a postmortem at the end of the season and decide whether you should stay on as DC or move to another coaching position with the team.”
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I can't see any Defensive Coordinator staying on the same team after being demoted
Aside from the obvious paycut, it would be tough for the players you are supposed to be coaching to take you seriously knowing you got demoted.
It may very well be that Pendergast was only appointed DC because Crennel passed on the job, but I just have a hard time seeing a guy simply step aside and be happy with a demotion.
Especially the way Haley leans on Pendergast to run the defense. With Haley completely tied up as OC and QB coach, Pendergast gets left mostly on his own to run the defense.
Maybe we need a UC type bet?
If Pendergast can keep the Steelers from blowing us out by more than two touchdowns Sunday he gets another year of DC coach. I see a new DC next year anyway.
Pendergast is in charge of the DC and "The “secondary” which has mostly been responsible for every big play that happens.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 18, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Chiefs could win every game the rest of the year by 21 point blowouts, but
I don’t want Clancy back as DC, if there is a better, more qualified and experienced DC available for hire. Nothing against him personally, just my opinion. :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
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for instance, Mike Solari. 1 of the top OL coaches in the game..got promoted to OC and SUCKED..got fired. Not even sure if he would have taken a demotion or if he was even offered to go back to OLC.
The N.E. Curse.
Remember most ex-NE coaches have a hard time adapting to new teams after being with Belichek.It also looks like Pioli is having a hard time also.Also remember that B.Parcells has not won a SB without Belichek.He seems to be a constant in a lot of people’s success,but must take total control as noone has been successful without him.
John Soellner
Belicheck hasnt won a superbowl without Pioli either
lol its the truth
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 18, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe not a bad second choice if Romeo won't come
However, if his hiring would in any way increase the chance that Mike Brown will still be our starting SS next year I will have to say NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
I'm hesitant on Crennel
Its the same old story with coaches from New England. Was it them or was it Bellichick? The answer to date overwhelmingly points to Bellichick being responsible for the success. Remember too that Bellichick came in as a defensive coach.
So I’m not going to just drool all over Crennel. Clevelands defense with him as head coach wasn’t exactly fabulous. They ranked 16th, 27th and 30th in his three years there.
I think it is in the plans
for Romeo to be here next season.
Good move by the Chiefs org, glad to see LJ gone.
I hope so
and maybe we’ll get one of those OC thingies too
by Spiderwomn69 on Nov 18, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
The way I see it
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t Haley hire his own staff? With that being said, maybe Haley doesn’t want a pioli guy like crennel being his dc. After all it’s Haley butt on the line. Haley has hired most all guys he has a past with, I don’t see that changing. Jauron has ties with Haley and that’s all it takes. I would like to see weiss and crennel in kc, but I don’t see Haley surrounding himself with the unknown.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
Weis was the offensive coordinator with the Jets, when Haley first broke into coaching.
Coach Haley was the offensive quality control guy. (1997 I believe?). Also on that staff, on the defensive side…Romeo Crennel, defensive line coach.
There’s enough connections between Weis, Crennel, and Haley to see one of the two possibly coming to KC.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 18, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks! I should of known that. I hope we can get them back together in kc.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
Also, not everyone on this staff has a past with Haley either...
Some guys were kept on staff from the Herm Edwards era, others were hired in off the street at the last minute.
-Bob Bicknell, TE’s (Herm Edwards hire, 2006)
-Joe D’Alessandris, Asst. O-line (Edwards via Gailey, 2008)
-Chan Gailey (originally), O-Coordinator (Edwards, 2008)
-Nick Sirianni, Quality control coach (new hire from college ranks, 2009)
-Tim Krumrie, Defensive line (Edwards hire, 2006)
-Ronnie Bradford, Asst. defensive backs/quality cont./Sp. Teams (new hire from Denver, 2009)
I could see about 60-80% of this list getting cleaned out.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 18, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
Wow good point. Doesn't look good for them
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
I'm pretty sure Pioli will have his say on assistants
ESPECIALLY after this year.
If Haley doesn’t get outright fired, you can bet Pioli is going to step in and dictate some changes (like hire a damn offensive coordinator)
Joe D'Alessandris needs to go
If you cant get these guys to block in that Zone scheme its the Coaching.
OHANA!
Nope....
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
Question for you guys...
Do you think its easier for players to pick up a new defensive system or offensive system? I hope if we get a new DC that it will be a similar system so as not much more to pick up and learn. Offense, I dont know, scrap and start over?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Haley ain't going to scrap his offense
whoever comes in will assist Haley in implementing the existing scheme IMO
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 18, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
There isn’t going to be a big name OC brought in that will bring his own system.
It almost certainly will be someone Haley knows that will call the play to play calls with Haley having heavy input. Much as Wisenhunt did with Arizona last year when Haley was the OC.
Haley won't change but I'll comment on the other part of your post.
There are many many different offenses that focus on different areas. Whether or not it is easier or harder to change an offense is completely relative to what offense you run. For example, Jauron fired an offensive coordinator once because “he had to many plays” and the playbook was “too complicated”. I am not saying he is right or wrong here (just don’t let him touch the ball in my opinion) but the offense he had installed later was a relatively easy offense to learn.
Defensively, changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 isn’t terribly difficult on its own, but as Jauron said above you play with the personnel you have. The difficulty in learning the 2 defensive schemes isn’t the hard part, the hard part is having the personnel to play the specific defense. The 3-4 defense has to have a true nose tackle, a big tough guy who is hard to move and can take on 2 offensive lineman much of the time. Most tackles are more suited to a 4-3 where they don’t have to be as much of a beast, so often the nose tackle is the hardest to find. The second piece you must have for a 3-4 are a LOT of good linebackers. Linebackers, as well as a nose tackle, are critical in being able to run the 3-4. The typical 3-4 linebacker has to be quick enough to be able to either get to the QB or drop into some coverage, while being strong enough to shed blocks from anyone but the offensive line and get to the ball. The linebackers are terribly hard to find but you do need a lot more linebackers on your roster and they need to fit the profile. A lot of smaller strong guys get chances to play in a 3-4 when they wouldn’t be large enough to play that position in a 4-3.
The system won’t change, the coach will work with what is there.
Agree but on the LB "Aren't"
The linebackers are terribly hard to find but you do need a lot more linebackers on your roster and they need to fit the profile.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 18, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
NE has 12 or so
Thats a quarter of the roster!
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 18, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
why not?
i think he would be a fine addition. I could be wrong, but it seems like defensive coordinators who fail as head coaches, then return to coach a defense….typically have very good ones.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
it is generally thought that he has been a good to great defensive coordinator who failed at making the jump to head coach
I would agree with that. I think he is definitely a good D coordinator but he can’t handle the pressures of being a head coach and should never have any input on the offensive side of the ball or offensive personnel.
MANY D coordinators have failed at head coaching jobs. I could list probably 10 with a quick google search and 3 off the top of my head.
Just don't list Gunther:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 18, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know enough about his skills
let’s just wait until spagnola (whatever) gets fired from the Lions. No one lasts there. He’s awesome. Next we could get Romeo.
I don’t know about having a coach named Dick.
Dick is supposed to be a great teacher and an excellent defensive coach
And I don’t doubt that for a minute. But his 4-3 philosophy isn’t what Haley is looking for. I think that most teams that run a 4-3 will keep their eye on Dick. But I don’t see him coming here.
I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands. -Arrested Development
When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in rememberance of DT.
he has ran a 4-3 most of his career
but as it says in his quote he is comfortable coaching a 3-4 and he has experience coaching a 3-4. He said above that it is a personnel decision, not a coaching decision. If that system is in place and the personnel is there he has no problem coaching it.
Is it ideal over a generally 3-4 guy? I don’t know.
Kinda explains why he won't be here I think.
This personnel package screams 4-3 and Jauron would be butting heads on arrival.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 18, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I don't know about that.
It’s obviously a work in progress and we will be drafting for a 3-4. Jauron will understand that and if he doesn’t, trust me, he won’t get considered for the job. :-)
What, playing a scheme that fits the personnel? What a radical idea!
Sounds like something Chan Gailey would want to do.
Nice post
IMO Jauron is worth consideration at the least. A solid DC. So much depends on availibility of coaches and what Pioli and Haley think of Clancy’s performance this year. By the way great spacing in your article. Makes it much easier for the read.
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