What Do You Do When It Is One Of Your Own?
Barry Bonds is generally despised in every city with the exception of San Francisco. Mark McGuire was recently welcomed back into St. Louis. As far as I can tell, Shawne Merriman is still liked in San Diego and Buffalo is still behind Marshawn Lynch. So are Chief's fans still adamant supporters of Dwayne Bowe?
This is not the first blog post on steroid abuse and athletes, nor will it be the last. However, I remain intrigued by how fans approach or support team members who knowingly (maybe) broke the rules in the name of athletic performance. Bowe is currently serving a suspension for diuretics that can mask the use of steroids. Diuretics may also be used to facilitate weight loss. Regardless, do we as fans consider diuretics differently then anabolic steroids?
A strong argument could be made for Bowe. He is in first contract. His big pay day comes with his second contract and he is always one play away from never playing football again or never playing at the same level. He has a new head coach and he finds himself on the third team in preseason. Maybe it was due to his weight? So he busts his tail, takes a little help, and gets back into the action. Do we forgive and forget? Do we forgive because he is a Chief? Would we forgive if he was Raider? Bronco? Or an irrelevant Brown?
What about players like Welborn who was the last Chief to test positive for a banned substance? Do we label him a cheater or do we consider whether Welborn maybe needed to cheat just to stay in the league. He was a starter on a great offensive line, but he was just an NFL starter, an average player.
I'm interested in these questions because I don't think there are great answers and there is any underpinning of issues of loyalty. Does loyalty trump our player's transgressions? And if we support Bowe because it "was only diuretics" would be support him if it turned out to be Elephant testosterone?
For what it is worth, here are my two cents. First, I don't blame any player ever for trying to gain an advantage--even if it means trying to beat the rules. Their pay and their livelihood is linked to their performance and unlike most of average joes, they are in signed employment contracts, they are not at-will employees who could be out of a job at the drop of a hat. Second, the pills aren't magic. All the steroids in the world won't help you if you sit around and eat Doritos all day. Finally, its a risk reward scenario. Players have to ask themselves whether the advantage they gain is worth the risk of getting caught. If Lance Long comes back over the summer with an additional 20 lbs of muscle mass he might actually become more like Wes Welker. He might also sit out four games the next year. However, he still may have a career year.
Am I disappointed in Bowe? Nope. Not one bit. He made, probably, an educated decision as what was in his best interest. He got back on the field and he was a productive player. And do I blame Merriman for taking steroids (or supplements or whatever the hell it was)? Nope. Although, I still wouldn't mind seeing someone knock his lights out.
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Bowe
My take on the Chiefs is simple.
I support the team whether they are 1-15 or 15-1, but the problem is that players on a 1-15 team can’t add to the struggle by making stupid mistakes.
Suffering through a losing season is hard, no doubt, but making it worse, a la Larry Johnson just makes the fans even more upset.
If the Chiefs feel Bowe made a poor decision or just an honest mistake fine…..but these types of things are far more glaring when the team struggles week in and week out.
I honestly don’t see Bowe being a Chief next season.
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See I don't understand why people are saying this?
I honestly don’t see Bowe being a Chief next season.
Why wouldn’t Bowe be back?
We’ve disected his numbers here in the past and the only players who have comparable over their first 2 years are Randy Moss, Larry Fitz and Megatron…he is only going to get better.
Add to this he is still on a rookie contract and making less than a million dollars per year. How do you replace his production for $1M per year? Trade him for a 2nd and take a flyer? No thanks.
Plus Pioli traded our only other offensive weapon, what would trading Bowe do to help Matt Cassel’s progression as a QB? Set him back even further.
Trading Bowe is a rediculous idea, and hopefully the powers that be realize it too.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 18, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course they will trade Bowe
They will trade anyone on the team outside of Cassel and Jackson. Reports are that they were shopping Bowe before this. Of course they could use the LJ route and just cut him.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 18, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Later it came out that they werent shopping Bowe at all
It said teams had called them but no serious offers were made. Just because they cut a POS like LJ doesnt mean they would cut Bowe. Come on, Use your head, You know better.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
by darwithabar on Nov 18, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Reports?
Any citation? Even just a name-dropping?
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I've never been a huge fan of Bowe
I’ve thought he was okay, and I was glad to see him have a good rookie season, but he just hasn’t developed like he should’ve after that. I think I’ll be as supportive as I ever have been of him. I don’t think a diuretic really changes my opinion of him much, if at all. If anything, it just makes me think he’s kind of dumb for not paying attention to what he was taking, given the NFL’s policy on those types of products.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:22 PM CST reply actions
I have never heard...
That diuretics can mask steroids… So going by that I can’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be back, especially given the evidence that Bowe was told to lose 20 pounds, and he failed the test before the season started… Non-issue in my book.
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let me rephrase that… They can be used to mask, but they aren’t very good at it, there for aren’t used to do so. All diuretics are banned, not just the ones that can mask steroids.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 17, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard they can mask
steroids…. but I’m pretty confident he was just using it as a weight loss aid…. I don’t know that I can hate him for taking some hydroxycut… or whatever he took
Doesn't the suspension mean that this is his second failed test?
Unless something has changed, players are not suspended 4 games for a first positive test in violation of the substance-abuse policy, right?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:39 PM CST reply actions
yes they are
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
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Don't really care
Don’t mean to sound callous but its not baseball. It’s not about protecting the sanctity of the game here. Don’t be naive. Every single pro football player out there has taken steroids in some form or another at some point in their life. After you pop out of high school even coaches start recommending taking things to help players bulk up for the college game (sometimes even during high school). And don’t think it stops there. Many players take them during the off-season or whenever else they think they won’t get caught. Is it ideal? No. But get used to it because it isn’t ever going to change in our lifetimes.
Bowe gambled and he lost. It’s the price you pay. He’ll be back and everyone will forget about it soon enough.
And just to be clear, I don’t condone steroids at all. I am just saying don’t kid yourselves, it happens all the time. For all those who are going to act like they are all tore up about it, lets just be realistic. It’s not an advantage if everyone is taking them. I don’t like it anymore than anyone else but it’s kind of the truth. And don’t say its like baseball because it isn’t anything like baseball.
I agree with the NFL policies if only to help protect the players against themselves. They may only be able to monitor the players during the season but every little bit helps keep players from taking more steroids and other substances that are harmful if abused.
I disagree with the statement that all of them have taken steroids
I actually think there are lots of exceptions. Do you really think Kurt Warner ever took steroids, for example? I sure don’t. There are lots of guys like that, IMO. In fact, if Anthony Gonzales ever gets popped for steroids, I’ll literally buy a hat just so I can eat it.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Hey a lot of people thought the same thing about baseball
There really is no comparison to how it affects baseball compared to football but obviously it has a profound affect on the direction the game has gone. I won’t try to break down the differences in game play and I’ll just stop at it’s very different and the statements I make about baseball are purely a numbers game.
The penalty there is much higher. There are estimates ranging from 40-90% of baseball players in the 90s used some form of banned substances to affect their performance. Whichever numbers are correct lets cut the difference and use an arbitrary word like “majority”. They are both professional sports in the modern era and the technology used in both sports is comparable and I see no reason to believe that the same (the percentage of players using) would not be true of professional football. If you argue how the effects of steroids change the game of baseball more than it does football I would agree. But does that mean that football players choose not to use just because it won’t have such an extreme effect on their play? I think not. I’m not saying all players in the NFL are currently using steroids. I am saying that they have (mostly before and in college) before and if they needed to again to reach a certain goal or improve play or muscle regeneration (down time between injuries) then they would.
Am I saying everyone in the NFL is roiding up? No. I am just saying that they have in their lifetimes. There is a number out there of players who have used steroids while signed with an NFL team and I believe its no less than baseball. 40-90%.
You can have your opinions that steroids are an exception, I just think they are a bit naive.
It’s nice to think that football is pure and these guys do nothing but lift and pound power bars in the off-season, but if the NFL REALLY cracked down on roids like baseball has, trust me, it wouldn’t be pretty and the NFL knows it.
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I didn't say it was the exception, though.
I took exception with the statement that every player has done it. I don’t think that’s even close to true. I would believe 40%, 50%, or an even higher number (maybe 80-85%?) if there were a scientifically-determined estimate done on it, because I already believe that at least that many do it. But 100%? No way.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 18, 2009 6:31 AM CST up reply actions
I just think this is blown out of proportion.
He made a bad mistake. It doesn’t reflect on his character or competitiveness. The brass is smart enough to see this. All 53 of the “Right 53” are not perfect little angels. It’s about their character and dedication to the team.
Bowe’s mistake was to try to lose weight to meet the demands of the TEAM…giving him the benefit of the doubt.
First off no offense to anyone just my opinion
Bowe is nothing special. We drank his kool aid before he ever proved himself here. He had a lot of yards last year, but take into account how many he gave up on all those drops and we could sure do a lot better here in KC. He’s slow and he’s not reliable.
Secondly. I believe in a truly free America. It’s not the governments business to tell grown ment what to do with their bodies. If they want steroids, let em do their thing. We’re supposed to be free to decide for ourselves aren’t we?
It's not the government per se
It’s his ultimate employer, the NFL telling him he cannot use whatever he took.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
It's not the government per se
It’s his ultimate employer, the NFL telling him he cannot use whatever he took.
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
Yeah! Completely Free! We demand it!
If i wanna shoot the clerck in the head and take the money out of the register then i should be able to. There should not be any laws to protect the clerck!
If I my mother wants to take a fistfull of psycopic drugs that result in her seeing aliens sucking out peoples brains in line at the bank; at which time she begins stabbing them with her knitting needles, then she should be able to do that. We don’t need laws protecting people from other people that do harm to themselves.
If football players want to take narcotics that make their muscles bigger and their balls smaller while at the same time unbalancing their hormones and resulting in severe anger management problems, inhanced aggression, and making them more prone to violence to others around them there shouldn’t be any laws against that. People don’t deserve any legal protection from a pack of wild animals running around and starting arguments, fist fights and doing violence on others.
If i wanna drink 10 quarts of vodka and jump in my car and drive 150mph down a crowded highway then i should be able to. It shouldn’t matter that I’m endangering everyone else around me on the road. I want freedom!
Yes that was all sarcastic, but it was to make a point.
Laws are made to protect people from themselves as much as they are to protect us from each other.
Each of us has a set of guarenteed rights (depending on your countries outline of those rights) and laws are designed to allow you your freedom WITHOUT letting you stomp on anyone elses freedom. If your actions infringe upon the rights of others then in an extreme way, then your actions need to be controled by law.
Freedom is a double edged sword. If YOU expect everyone else to grant you your freedom then YOU in turn must make sure your actions aren’t taking away anyone elses freedom. If your actions put other people in danger then you are infringing on their right to life and liberty. We can’t have it both ways. Either we protect everyones freedoms, or no one gets to have their freedom protected. We don’t each live in a bubble. Our individual actions have a direct cause and effect relation to each other.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 18, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe is nothing special
C’mon Kray, you don’t really believe that do you? Check out this page at NFL.com. It’s the stats of all rookie WR’s in 2007. Go down the line and click all the different stats and you’ll see that DBowe was the leader in all but AVG, and he was fourth among regular receivers in that category, only 1.6 yds behind the leader. Change it to 2nd yr players in 08 and you’ll find the same. The truth is, is that Bowe has been near the top in every statistical category for WR’s when compared to guys that were drafted with him. If you really believe he is nothing special your standards are way too high.
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Let’s face it – you cut your own team a lot of slack. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that it was to lose weight and not mask steroids. And if it was steroid related, I’ll be disappointed but will still be willing to forgive.
I think the bigger issue is that he probably took this illegal substance knowingly. (So far he hasn’t come out and said otherwise.) If it was steroid related then that’s a pretty open and shut case – it’s all in the name of getting better. If it was to lose weight then it points me to the bigger picture: he never should have showed up at camp overweight in the first place. His entire livelihood is tied to his body and he needs to learn to take care of it in the off-season. I hope he at least learns that lesson and can go on to have many productive years for the Chiefs.
Unfortunately these next four games will be even more difficult to watch.
by Yaggleberry Finn on Nov 18, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions
This is the attitude that makes me ill.
First, I don’t blame any player ever for trying to gain an advantage—even if it means trying to beat the rules. Their pay and their livelihood is linked to their performance and unlike most of average joes, they are in signed employment contracts, they are not at-will employees who could be out of a job at the drop of a hat. Second, the pills aren’t magic. All the steroids in the world won’t help you if you sit around and eat Doritos all day
1) Most players (especially in skill positions) have guarentted dollars in their contracts.
2) Breaking the rules is breaking the rules; and arguing that it’s ok to break the rules if you did it for what you consider a good reason is not a good enough excuse.
3) Steriods (which Bowe did not test positive for) are a DANGEROUS DRUG. I’ve seen first hand what they can do to a person. It’s not like taking a vitamin C tablet. The side effects are extreme, even up to death.
4) If pro player are “allowed” or consistently “forgiven” by the fans and the league for taking steroids then you will see a significant number of players begin taking them just to try to “gain an advantage” (see: baseball). Over time that results in college players being almost FORCED to take steriods just to level the playing field and give them a chance to make it to the pros. Which means HIGHSCHOOL players that desperately want a football scholarship to go college will have to begin taking them just to try to compete with the level of play on a college field.
Maybe you don’t think it’s a horrible thing to effectively encourage high school age BOYS to take steriods, or to at least dismiss it as “just trying to get an advantage” , but I certainly do. We should not be dismissing any behavior involving the encouragemnet of young people to take dangerous drugs with lasting side effects just so they can level the playing field. Making it from highschool football to the NFL is a 1 in a million shot, literally. If you want to level the playing field then you do it the right way. You BAN steriods; test for them randomly and regualrly, and have a firm suspension leading to league removal policy; and then you stick to your guns on it.
4) Forget about the NFL substence abuse policy; Steroids without a perscription are an illegal narcotic. Bowe tested positive for a banned substence. He’s not fighting it. he’s not lying about it, and he’s taking his lumps. At least i can respect his attitude in that reguard. Personel responcibility is a thing that too many people shrug off as they point fingers at others and then make excuses for why they did what they did.
IMO if a player tests positive for ANY illegal narcotic they should not just be suspended, the testing results should be handed over to the authorities so that legal precedings can begin on charges of posession of a controlled substence. A diaretic is not an illegal drug, but guys like Merriman and Bonds that test positive should be prosecuted as well as suspended/fired.
The price you pay for being able to make milliions and millions of dollars playing a game / sport is that you will be looked up to and emulated by others. Every one of the players needs to respect the fact that their actions effect more than just themselves and that they have to do it clean. They have to own their mistakes, stop making the excuses, and pay the price for their actions.
5) Illegal is illegal. I wouldn’t get a pass from the law if i tested positive for an illegal narcotic and the players shouldn’t either, no matter how much money they make.
I’m not trying to make this a personal attack on you, or anyone else. But the attitude that it’s “OK” because they are just trying to “get and edge” and that if they can do it without getting caught we should all “be ok with it” is a great big steaming pile of crap. It’s excuses made for players just because you’re a fan. Instead of giving them a pass because it would be better for my team; I’d rather punish them to the full extent of the policy / law and send a message to my team showing them how I feel about elietist, cheating, illegal drug taking players being allowed to don the uniform I love.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 18, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Let me add this then...
I know Bowe had great rookie stats. Hell, he had great stats last year. But we didn’t win. You have to catch the passes that count. The ones that he drops at just the wrong time. He had no competition here either. Who else was going to get the ball at a wide receiver spot besides him? No one hardly. Tony got more than anyone really and he’s a TE.
So when you throw a disproportionate amount of passes to one guy on your team, of course his stats are going to spike. Not taking anything from him, I’m just being real.
He drops a lot of passes and when your only job is to catch the ball and you can’t do that on a real consistent basis then no one can count on you. And by default then you cannot be the best receiver out there for a team.
I’d take Miles Austin over DBowe any day. ANY DAY! Look at Wade. He came here with a pretty good rep. But now it shows that what they were saying about him in Minn. is true. They didn’t cut him years earlier because they didn’t have a suitable replacement yet. The second they got one he was gone. Look at him in KC. He drops as many passes as Bowe does.
If Bowe nets us a great trade opportunity for say a couple really awesome linemen then it’s worth it. He’s not all that! He’s a talented young kid who got way more balls thrown his way than any other receiver. He’s still slow and can’t catch all the time. Not opposed to Bowe, just not a huge fan, we could certainly do better for sure is all I’m saying.
You’re argument that he gets a disproportionate amount of throws is out the window when you look at the average yards per catch and the fact that it is so high among similar receivers. You also help my point by saying there were no other receiving threats. That would mean that the dbacks can key on him more and yet he still had damn good stats for his first two seasons.
Miles Austin has performed for a few games. When he can sustain those numbers (not saying he can’t) over two season I will put him up there with other really good receivers.
WowKray your way off on Bowe
I didnt even finish reading your post, He is still a young guys, If you really beleive that then your crazy Kray. Any other team in the league Bowe could start for except maybe AZ. He would even start in NE lol. If Bowe was in AZ offense he would catch alot of balls and go to Pro Bowls. Bowe IS going to be top 5 in this game, Chiefs fans are crazy like that. Weve always expected way to much out of Rookie and 2nd year players. To think that any Chiefs fan wouldnt like Bowe is laughable.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
by darwithabar on Nov 19, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Also, Kray I dont know what your smoking on
Miles Austin over Bowe???? Thats a head scratcher, Miles Austin has had a couple good games, thats it. You must be drunk so ill let it slide this time:)
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
by darwithabar on Nov 19, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions

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