Schefter: Chiefs WR Bowe Took Diuretic, Chose Not to Appeal Suspension
by Joel Thorman on Nov 17, 2009 1:14 PM CST
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Adam Schefter of ESPN is sifting through the current situation with Dwayne Bowe that has him suspended for four games by the NFL. Per Schefter, Bowe likely took something to help him lose weight, similar to the situation with Kevin and Pat Williams in Minnesota.
"From what I gather," Schefter tweets, "Chiefs WR Dwayne Bowe was trying to lose weight in training camp and took a diuretic. Bowe found out about his suspension earlier this month and has decided not to appeal it. He knows those are battles players don't win."
Wow.
The irony in all this is that head coach Todd Haley ran what he called the toughest training camp in the NFL and demanded many players lose weight. Haley has said the Chiefs as a team lost over 800 pounds.
Bowe was reportedly one of those players who had to lose weight. I've heard (but haven't confirmed) that he was asked to lose over 20 pounds. (Update: Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star says 30 pounds).
Bowe's decision not to appeal it is a good one, I think. It's unlikely he would have emerged victorious and the best move would be let it end now.
This also makes me wonder if Bowe's suspension, which the team and player knew about a month ago, had any bearing on the decision to sign Chris Chambers.
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/whew
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna assume
the NFL already investigated the rest of the team regarding this. Remember when it was a huge deal “KC shed 700+ pounds!!!”
Yikes…
Prediction: 2009 AFC West gets Emmy for best drama.
by CT Chief Fan on Nov 17, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2nd season
when haley demands weight loss off season 2…. haley will need to tell them what is legal to take
by kcstevesportsfan on Nov 17, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a stupid reason to take an illegal substance.
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Nov 17, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Something needs to be done about the whole "diuretic use = steroid use" policy.
It’s affected a lot of players over the last several years, and according to the Williams’ lawsuit, the connection between the two is pretty muddled.
Isn’t there a better way to check for ’roid use?
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The other problem with diuretics is that
They can kill you in training camp. Happened to a Viking and a baseball player. Even if they found another roid test, they wouldn’t stop testing for diuretics
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true, Bones.
Korey Stringer was the Viking, and when he died he was crazy dehydrated (among other things).
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The baseball player
is the reason congress banned ephedra….I liked that stuff!
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can remember taking the good
ripped fuel, that stuff was great… as long as you didn’t abuse it
by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ephedra isn't a diuretic
but can be hard on the heard and increase body temperature.
by ace328 on Nov 17, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fffff this
I took a yellow jacket i hope my boss dont fire me
by 67401erk on Nov 17, 2009 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As long as Roger Goodell isn't your boss...
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 17, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're not mathematically eliminated yet
But I think the magic number is 1
(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raiders game 2
Next victim?
by cpa913 on Nov 17, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just watched Haley's press conference from yesterday
…he lost a bunch of weight at the beginning of the season too.
It kind of looks like he gained it back.
by Phalz212 on Nov 17, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh ya?
Any video of him eating hot dogs with Sanchez on the sidelines?
by dragon6172 on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty soon he will be sporting this look again
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What, so he was clean shaven in AZ?
LOL.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh well...not the end of the world.
we aren’t going anywher this season anyway and at least Bowe won’t get injured and it’ll give other receivers a chance to prove themselves. Sometimes sleeper players just need the chance to prove themselves. Maybe this is it!
by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Terrence Copper
is about to be uneleashed…
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait to see Brick Hands on the field
by butchcassidy on Nov 17, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Please!
If Terrance Copper is the answer, we must be asking a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad question.
Wonder if Sean LaChapelle is available?
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Boerichter still available?
I’m sure Eddie Kennison could be our #1 for 4 games!
(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raiders game 2
Next victim?
by cpa913 on Nov 17, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Now there’s a name I haven’t heard mentioned in a long time. I had almost forgotten about that kid.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still remember
Boerigter’s 99 yard touchdown reception. What the hell happened to him anyways?
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Nov 18, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About Chambers...
they have pulled in every receiver they could find and tried them out. I doubt that this changed any of that.
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 17, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
but i think Chambers is here to stay........... they need both of them...
by Jclawd on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i agree
i just think that they would have signed him regardless of them knowing whether or not bowe was going to be suspended
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 17, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cue the Haley Hate Parade
Obviously since he put an emphasis on his professional employees not being fat, over weight pieces of shit this is all his fault.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I don’t hate Haley….but did Bowe have to lose weight? Did he have fat hands causing those balls to bounce out of them? Didn’t seem to cure that problem so I guess not.
by dragon6172 on Nov 17, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
have you heard of
speed, quickness, stamina?
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here they come now!
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, it's more like this:
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think they were serious..
least I hope not….Haley can’t be blamed for this one!
by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haley can be blamed for anything
a guy the other day wrote about how he stubbed his toe and how it was because Haley yelled at a kitten.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haley being mean to a kitten
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
that kitten could miss a meal or two.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 17, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, if the kitten wouldn't have fumbled...
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was hoping
to get to blame this on him… good thing you started it… THANKS!
by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame him
He played the weight-loss goals as a “Biggest Loser” contest. Players took it literally.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Taking something to lose weight
sits better with me than taking something to gain muscle. Although they are really both ways of getting in better shape to boost your performance. I guess pumping yourself up to an unnatural amount of muscle is worse than quickly getting yourself down to a normal weight because you were a moron and showed up to training camp with 30 extra pounds of fat. Bowe’s a dumbass for this, but I can forgive him.
by TheDBroShow on Nov 17, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lets look at it like this -
gives mark bradley, lance long and bobby wade a chance to show what they’ve got. id really like to see mark bradley succeed in this offense because in my opinion hes a much better WR for us than bobby wade when on his game.
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
D Bowe couldnt even "show what hes got" in this shit offense!
But, there is nothing like playing time, just ask Herm…
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FAT HALEY
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he does look a little chunky there...
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 17, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then our haley
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all part of his Parcels idolization
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Nov 17, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Parcells chubby?
(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raiders game 2
Next victim?
by cpa913 on Nov 17, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
He’s golf swing went to shit back then, look at that belly, and the man boob’s oh my.
by CPT.Caveman on Nov 17, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of what it was...
You dont put your career and team in jepardy but taking something you know is illegal…Diuretics have been banned for yrs…..And honestly, how hard is it for a young athlete to lose 20 fucking pounds?…Eat right and exercise, why take a chance?…hes a fucking idiot….oh and im sure he will come out later and say"Oh, i didnt know"….my ass!
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, he did put his life on the line for the team
that’s worth something isn’t it?
I’m really only half kidding!
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Nov 17, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very hard to lose weight, when you continue to put on Muscle.....
by Jclawd on Nov 17, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its called cardio...you dont have to lift weights....
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
trust me...it's football they aint just doing cardio.....
by Jclawd on Nov 17, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the more muscle you have the lease likely for injury...... sometimes
by Jclawd on Nov 17, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think he was lacking muscle, he just needed to drop the fat, thats what cardio does for you
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardio helps burn calories... which takes up fat storage in the body.
Gained muscle from weights would actually increase the likelihood for injury. Fast twitch muscle development and stretching exercise (yoga) helps prevent injuries.
by ravenhawk on Nov 17, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Doc.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 17, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have a couple more years...
untill you can call me that.
by ravenhawk on Nov 17, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and what about OTC's?
He was there, he knew what was expected. He still turns up at training camp overweight?!
by nycchief on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and the haley in between
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the look says
How the eff did you get a job in the nfl??
by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at TO's right forearm....he may be taking something too
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have the Williams served their suspension yet?
Or did they get out of it. There must be some sort of precedent for Bowe to not get all 4 games.
by Egomaniac on Nov 17, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They got out of it
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
annorhexic haley
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the weight difference between this haley and the other with kurt warner
if he could lose weight like htat why the hell cant bowe?
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
khakis and
running shoes???? ummm no….
by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Props to Haley
He looks good with the weight loss
by worc on Nov 17, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can travel through time
this is a photo from the Steelers Chiefs game this weekend.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn it didn't work
here is a picture of Whitlock instead.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The pickles are overdoing it.
I heard this is what Sanchez ordered on the sidelines, only got a hot dog thought.
by dragon6172 on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He got a hot dog because they were out of pickles.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well
Haley should not have came in and expected everyone to shed all their weight. Bowe was athletic enough plus he had the extra weight for strength.
Atleast Bowe was so dedicated that he took drugs to make sure he lost the weight to please Haley.
Maybe Haley should have fed the guys dead rats in McDonalds salad shakers….it worked for him….
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
This is Haley’s fault too? You’re being a little extreme.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I didnt say it was Haley’s fault….Im just saying he should not have came in and demanded weight loss for guys like Bowe who didnt need it.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know he didn't need it?
Who knows what his weight was when he got to camp.
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A guy like Bowe stays in shape....
He weighs more cause he is a big dude….but he is fast and strong.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about fast...
but he is strong and does seem quicker this year…there’s really no fault here though. I don’t know why the NFL is so anal about the small things like whether or not their players are taking hydroxcut or whatever it is Bowe took.
by butchcassidy on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Diuretic increase your heart rate...
thats why you burn fat faster. Now, if you out in the heat,running,exercising,and naturally increasing your heart rate, with the addition of, diuretics, you could DIE…..thats why they are banned..NFL has already been sued because of Cory stringer of the Vikings…
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info...
and now I know.
I’m not being sarcastic either
by butchcassidy on Nov 17, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Diuretics do NOT necessarily increase your heart rate
Diuretics cause weight loss by preventing your kidneys from doing their normal job, which is preserve water and electrolytes and maintain a fluid balance within your body. If you lose a lot of water from your body quickly, i.e., initially when you start on a diuretic, then yes, the volume of your blood gets smaller, and your heart reacts to the lower blood volume by INCREASING your heart rate, to maintain a normal output of blood volume from your heart.
But most patients on long-term diuretic therapy re-equilibrate their heart rates back close to their baseline over time, i.e., after a few days.
The diuretic is NOT acting diurectly on your heart: the change in heart rate is an indirect effect of inhibiting the kidneys.
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 17, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But again, you can't KNOW that.
If he had to lose 20 lbs, then the most logical deduction is that he put on weight in the off season.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They made everyone lose weight
from where they played last year. LJ was back down to his college weight.
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
And they were given plenty of time to do it. We know for sure that Haley told them to show up for camp in shape. That would lead us to believe that they were given an expected weight at OTAs. Thus they had over 2 months to make weight.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was 240 pounds! he needed to lose some weight
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
by kcguy on Nov 17, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe isn't fast by any means.
He is big and strong. Doesn’t mean he needs to be fat to stay that way. They did weigh-ins during the off-season. He knew what he had to do and didn’t. Showed up to training camp way over weight (reportedly).
Just wish he would have taken some “stick ’em” pills instead for his hands.
I remember Dawson to Taylor, Kenney to Carson, and Blackledge catching the snap in his facemask. Seen it all...
by BinSC on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll call that a tie
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that Bowe didn't put on weight during the off season?
Maybe he did need to lose weight. On top of that, Bowe looks to be in really good condition right now.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
com on man...
its his job to have well conditioned athletes. Bowe was lazy during the offseason and was expected to lose weight just like a whole lot of others on the team.
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he just decided to cheat because again, he was lazy and didnt want to have to go through what everybody else was going through
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least we hope that's the case.
If anyone else took shit to help them lose weight this could be really really bad.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
20lbs!!
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OH NO! There goes our playoff contention!
Let me get this straight…since the season is shot….we are going to take our top receiver and keep him healthy (out of the line of fire) for 4 games?
Oh? and without our top reciever we are going to win less and possibly have a higher round draft pick?
………
We should test Cassel, Albert, Waters, Hali, Dorsey, Jackson too….
the rest we can throw to the lions….I mean the Stealers :D
by MasterBlaster7 on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
these kinds of posts
make me happy.
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
from this pic we have a good idea of what haleys mug shot would look like...i wodner if they knew about the suspension during this picture...
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
that stinks.
but, at least there are plenty of guys around to pick up the slack
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dick jauron fired
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He hired Haley in Chicago....
Maybe Haley will return the favor….
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a defensive mind right?
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is Juron a DEF or OFF specialist......... you know we need one of each
by Jclawd on Nov 17, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think hes a defensive specialist
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup hes been a defenmsive backs coach
d coordinator and head coach
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was defensive Co under Tom Caughlin when Jacksonville became an expansion….then HC after that….Bears, Lions, and Bills……he sucks as HC but looks to had success as DC.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like the Mike Nolan situation?
Nolan was a terrible HC, but up until recently had made Denver one of the top defenses in the league as their DC
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Nov 17, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Like they say…some guys are better off being coordinators. Jauron will not get another HC job, no way. I say Haley could use the guys experience as HC and DC to help us out. We currently have no former NFL HC on our staff.
"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden
by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who was Jauron with?
JAX?
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jax udner coughlin
the bears, the lions the bills
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that he's a 4-3 guy, and we're running a 3-4 defense.
Unless Haley wants to dismiss Clancy P from one of his two jobs…
Clancy and Jauron are both “bend but don’t break” coaches, too. Yuck.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Romeo Crennel in here ASAP....
Pioli, do your job!
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I wanted Crennel at the beginning of the season.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Pioli really wants to mirror the Patriots
Then you bring in the guy that cemented the 3/4 D from the get go. Thats how he got his head coaching job in Cleveland. He also has head coaching experience, and just might be the guy that puts Haley in check once in a while!
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always hated this rule, this game puts a HUGE emphasis on size and weight, guys can stand to lose millions of dollars for not being over/under weight. In the fight game you can always move up or down weight classes in football that isn’t an option. So if you are 230lbs, only have 7% body fat and you need to drop 15lbs how are you supposed to do that without losing strength and muscle mass?? This is a BS suspension.
by ill_spec on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You take a diuretic...
… and urinate out 15lbs of water weight in a day or so.
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 17, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But it's not a great way to go for a normal, healthy person
As you know, electrolyte abnormalities can occur, and you may have symptoms of weakness, etc. So not good as a long-term strategy. But once was common for fighters, wrestlers, etc., in pre-test days.
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 17, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a scary thought..
I sure hope no one else followed in Bowe’s shoes. We could have half our team on suspension for next season.
And why didn’t haley use any diuretics…he’s gettin a little chubby
by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse...
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by Patrick Allen on Nov 17, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
LOL, That is totally uncalled for. But funny.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who’s ever had to cut weight for for a fight or a wrestling match will understand that losing weight while trying to maintain strength while doing serious conditioning while pushing youself to maintain the same high level of performence in practice/games is a lot like nailing jello to a tree.
by ill_spec on Nov 17, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well then I guess he should have cut weight BEFORE camp started.
Bowe fucked up on this one. I still like the guy, and hope he’s a long term Chief and gets a ring with us, but he failed.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stop making excuses for this dude...
he plays for an NFL team that gives him every luxury of having trainer,dietician,strength coaches ect…..all for free. Not to mention, he is a reciever. Strength is good, but not a neccessity, he just needs to catch the ball……look at Randy Moss…..he is a bean pole….Bowe just took the easy way out
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy is a different type of WR
Bowe is more like the TO type of physical guy, not the fast type Randy is
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that,
Im just making a point about losing muscle…..he has plenty of muscle. Dropping twenty pounds naturally should not be too hard for a 25 yr old gifted athlete.
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its a stupid rule
the same trainers, dieticians, and strength coaches are having these guys at 300 lbs and running 5.0s and exerting themselves in ways that could possible put a normal person in the ER and they wonder why so many of these guys have severe cardiac problems (stroke, heart attack, and congenital heart failure) post-NFL. Some of these guys are dropping dead at 40. There is NO safe way to cut 20-30 pounds at 7% body fat and there is NO safe way to maintain 300+ lbs while doing NFL level conditioning for years on end. This is a business and bigger, stronger, faster is the name of the game, player safety is not exactly friendly to the bottom line and if the training staff can’t produce the bigger,stronger, faster players that the organization wants, the powers that be will find staff that will. So, as a player even if you lose/gain/maintain weight accepeted way, you could still be killing youself.
by ill_spec on Nov 17, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then that is a good reason to not let yourself BLOW UP during the off season. Maintaining your weight year round is the way to do it.
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nowhere near as easy as it sounds, your body always seems to find equilibrium when you are an athlete. Your walking around off-season weight is going to be somewhat higher than your walking around in-season weight. Your body finds the balance and a lot of these guys are being asked to disrupt that balance and maintain that disruption or face penalties if they don’t. I am not advocating that these guys used banned substances to compete, maybe there should be rules set for how much an organization can push a player into maintaining an physically unsustainable weight.
by ill_spec on Nov 17, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
other wise we will just keep going back and forth…good arguement. Intellegent too.
by KCinAZ on Nov 17, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's NOT a stupid rule
People can get into severe trouble with over-use and abuse of diuretics, especially if they combine it with severely strenuous workouts in the summer heat (Korey Stringer). Or maybe they are just walking down the street (Terri Schiavo).
I’ll agree that the long-term health effects of NFL exercise training are unclear, but it’s a very hard question to answer in light of other things which happen as part of playing in the NFL— e.g., repeated concussions and sub-clinical head injuries.
By the way, it’s ‘congestive’ heart failure, not ‘congenital.’
by Wheatboy74 on Nov 17, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is stupid
How does this drug enhance his performance?
by SwimCoach on Nov 17, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
but I think it’s considered more of a masking agent for steroids.
by nycchief on Nov 17, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im not saying u said this
but in bowes situation it wasnt used to mask steroids. he was trying to lose weight…there are no steroids out there that help you lose weight.
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, just saying it's a reason
diuretics are banned. Considered a masking agent not a ped.
by nycchief on Nov 17, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because it makes you shed weight
therefore your lighter on your feet, faster, etc.
Give Todd Haley a full regular and off-season to build Bowe's Cassel, and we will all wreap the benefits...
by CHIEFER on Nov 17, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing fat makes you stronger/faster.
But this drug also increases your heart rate. Using it while practicing in the heat while your heart rate is naturally raised could be fatal. I think they’re suspending players that use this in an effort to protect them.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally off topic,
But has anyone seen UCrawford around lately? Just curious, because I never heard about his reaction to the chiefs winning by what is technically a TD against the Raiders.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 2:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think he's busy...
building that “Fire Haley” bandwagon. That or writing his referendum on why He should’ve been hired as GM and what he would’ve done to make this team a 10-6 team now.
by RA_ChiefsFan on Nov 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he said he was working
and might be gone for a bit.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 17, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to "work" all week....
And after the Steelers hand our asses to us, he’ll be right back with the fire Haley bandwagon. He’s clever like that.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could just as easily come about this week with the fire Haley bandwagon
Haley coached one of his worst games of the season on Sunday…
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Nov 17, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But a bet is a bet.
He lost.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haley's Fault
I said it. Now everyone Go Crazy!
by Knocknheads on Nov 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When will all these athletes realize
that diuretics only make you lose water weight, not fat. They make you lose USEFUL weight, not excess body fat; water is necessary for optimal functioning of all the lean mass, including muscle. No wonder these guys are always cramping on the sidelines. They do not mask steroids by any mechanism I’ve heard of, either, by today’s tests which don’t just detect a blood level for steroids (which they would decrease) but metabolites as well. I think there’s an old misconception out there about the true value of diuretics in masking drugs; most tests now are sophisticated enough to get around the fact that diuretics might speed the clearance of drugs from the body (but why would you want that if you’re using steroids? you’d get a lesser effect from them as well). I think a lot of people get diuretics (which are a prescription drug) confused with stimulant supplements like ephedra and, to a lesser extent, caffeine (which can increase heart rate, urination, and body temperature). Diuretics could indirectly increase your heart rate if you were so dehydrated that your body increases your heart rate to maintain your blood pressure, but if you’re that dehydrated you’d probably not be able to perform athletically in a meaningful way.
The Williams’ from Minnesota got suspended for a loop diuretic (bumetanide). That is not the same as a stimulant. It has no effect on your heart rate. It simply keeps your body from reabsorbing water by shedding electrolytes through your kidneys.
From Lexi-Comp drug info:
Inhibits reabsorption of sodium and chloride in the ascending loop of Henle and proximal renal tubule, interfering with the chloride-binding cotransport system, thus causing increased excretion of water, sodium, chloride, magnesium, phosphate, and calcium; it does not appear to act on the distal tubule.
These are one of the most powerful types of diuretics typically used for edema (swelling) that won’t go down or for heart failure. I don’t know why anyone would take one of these for any other reason, especially sports enhancement.
In additions, steroids WILL help you lose fat depending on how you eat. They create an environment conducive to optimal fat-burning & muscle building. They will help you retain lean mass as you cut body fat.
“Weight loss” by itself means nothing. Percent body fat lost is much more useful a measure of what kind of weight is being lost. I’ve heard some offensive linemen say they lose 10 lbs.+ during the course of a game. Do you think that’s fat? Nope, it’s electrolytes & water.
/rant
by DCJayhawk57 on Nov 17, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The demand on bowe
was to lose weight… he wasn’t concerned with fat loss or muscle loss or whatever… we was worried about that fine, I think by now, most people understand what products like these do, they just don’t care when a 100,000 dollar fine might be looming
by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What fine?
I don’t remember reading anything about players being fined if they didn’t meet the weight set for them.
by bh13 on Nov 17, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's been used in the past
to motivate players… because in the end we all know they only really care about one thing… and that’s money. I have no idea if there was actually a fine in place for players that didn’t meet weight goals….
by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh, I have no Kool Aid for this. :-(
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 17, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So you would consider this an "OHHH NOOOO!" instead of an "OHHHH YEEEAHH!" ??
by jk86 on Nov 17, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for sure
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 17, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well just as long as the Kool Aid man doesnt break down your wall, you'll be fine.
(Dane Cook joke if you dont get it) lol
by Wrestler189s on Nov 17, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A shame
I thought D Bowe had his best game of the season so far on Sunday too..
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Nov 17, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Because he knew the suspension was coming.
by Scott B. on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
please
Bowe loves playing the game, you can tell. The B Show anyone!? To say he played harder because he was about to be suspended is absurd. I see no grounds to believe that
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Nov 17, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe Show*
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Nov 17, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or because it was against the raiders
OR because Chambers was a big part in taking of Bowes Double team.
by Wrestler189s on Nov 17, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hands down this is the most interesting Chiefs season I never witnessed...
by worc on Nov 17, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh I don't know
The year Green went down and had Huard come in and put up Peyton like numbers was pretty interesting. But that falls into the good kind of interesting. This season falls into the “oh shit, what drama is coming next” interesting.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great...
our season just went down the dwayne.
Seriously though, I am very pissed off. I honestly thought he was starting to get more involved in the passing game and it looked as if he and Cassel were starting to get on the same page. This will also hurt their chemistry as well as the overall team…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Nov 17, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"our season just went down the dwayne"
lol, nice. unfortunately our season went down the drain a long time ago
I don't want no Yo-Yos
by CaptainPoopDeck on Nov 17, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
our season went down the herm Lol.
by Wrestler189s on Nov 17, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
Speaking of which I have to go take a Peterson. I hope no one’s on the Herm.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im gonna take a herm, wipe my haley, and flush the peterson lol
by Wrestler189s on Nov 17, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget to wash your Johnson.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, that kind of sucked. I was not referring to hands though.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like these plays on his name!
Keep bring it! Good newspaper headlines :]
by worc on Nov 17, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes...
First of all, I wonder why this is against league policy. I mean, It’s not like he is taking steroids. I PRAY to god that he will not be traded in the offseason because of this. This season is all sorts of fucked up.
by Wrestler189s on Nov 17, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?!?!
Someone explain something to me. The Williams wall successfully appealed their suspension due to state legislation therefore the NFL rescinded (sp?) the suspensions of the 2 New Orleans players to make it a fair playing field? How is this any different? Or am I mistaken?
Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
by craig in calgary on Nov 17, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They were all taking Star Caps
It hasn’t been disclosed what Bowe was taking but I’m guessing it was something else.
by ace328 on Nov 17, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Williams'...
…we taking diaretic’s (same as Bowe).
They got away because they claimed that under MINNESOTA law their employer did not have the authority to test them for the diaretics. Therefore, the tests were not admissible as evidence in the greivence hearing / court room.
Without the positive tests the NFL couldn’t prove they were taking diaretics and therefore there is no case against them for violation of the substence abuse policy.
In other words, it was a bunch of leagal BS that got them off. Origionally the case was NOT filed in Minnesota, but the William’s lawyers were able to successfully move the venue to the “state of employment” of the players involved (that being Minnesota). Minnesota laws concerning forcing employees to submit testing are different than other places.
Once the case got moved to Minnesota it was all but over.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Nov 17, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought you guys would find this amusing
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Nov 17, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Balls.....
Well, that sux
OU SUCKS!!!!!!
by TexasFight83 on Nov 17, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A diuretic? Seriously? Performance enhancing? Seriously?
A drug that removes electrolytes from your body, performance enhancing? Seriously?
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I blame Todd Richard Simmons Haley's weight obsession
by FrankPitts on Nov 17, 2009 5:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Dwayne “Mark Mangino” Bowe putting on 30 pounds in the span of 2-3 months has nothing to do with it.
by SlipperyPete on Nov 18, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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