3 Draft Scenarios

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 AM CST

First, a warning: This is a mock draft discussion, if you do not want to discuss mock drafting, please move on and save the hate and vitriol for a "Fire Haley, Fire Pioli, Pitchfork and torches" post elsewhere. Let's keep this positive and look toward the future and see if we can predict the road to success! (In other words, Haters please leave now)

Now, with that out of the way I was looking at some of the updated draft prospect rankings and I got to thinking of the holes on the team and how they may be filled in the first 3 rounds. The following scenarios are just some different directions the team could go and I am just curious what my fellow APers had to say about them.

According to the current standings we are slotted to pick 6th and Atlanta is slotted at 22.

1 (6) OT (Okung, Trent Williams, Charles Brown)

2 (6) Safety (Stuckey, Nate Allen)
2 (22) DT (Dan Williams, Vince Oghobaase)

3 (6) OL (J.D. Walton, Mitch Petrus)

This scenario is, in my mind, very likely as it addresses the O line which the staff obviously in not content with considering the amount of personnel that has shuffled through the C, RG, RT positions. Okung or Williams would allow Albert to move to LG, Waters could slide to C and Pioli's beloved mid round O linemen could fit in on the right side. Safety is addressed, and Pioli will complete his DL rebuild with the addition of a NT in what is shaping up to be a very deep draft for DTs.

1 (6) Safety (Berry, Mays)

2 (6) OL (Ciron Black, Matt Tennant)
2 (22) WR (Jordan Shipley, Dezmon Briscoe) or RB (Anthony Dixon,)

3 (6) OL (J.D. Walton, Mitch Petrus)

This scenario addresses the Safety position with what would appear to be a can't miss prospect in Mays or Berry, one of whom I expect to slide down to 6. The Oline gets much needed help with the 2nd and 3rd rounders and I would not be surprised to see them try to bring a playmaker at WR OR a big back to match Haley's offensive style Dixon would match this and there are also a couple of Junior backs that would fit but may not declare with late 2nd round projections.

1 (6) DT (Suh, Cody, McCoy)

2 (6) OL (Ciron Black, Matt Tennant)
2 (22) OL (Mike Johnson, Jason Fox)

3 (6) Safety (Coleman, Chancellor)

This scenario addresses the biggest needs (IMHO) on the team. Pioli and Haley now have a foundation for a solid team with upgraded lines and addresses the need for a safety. Given the number of high quality NTs in this draft I could see them making that position priority as they look to complete the DL rebuild.

Linebacker is not addressed in the early rounds as I think the free agency pool for LBs will be much deeper than that of Safety and I fully expect the Chiefs to make a play for one or two of them. They may also try to address the CB position through free agency as this appears to be a draft where this team has much more pressing needs elsewhere.

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How about an OLB...

I think OLB needs to be addressed on the 1st day of the draft.

by Allen69 on Nov 17, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions

I really think the need is on OL, DL and secondary

I would be less surprised to see them take a corner in the early rounds than a LB.

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

1 question guys

dont we have 3 picks in the second round?

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 17, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

2 in the 2nd

3 in the 5th
no 6th, no 7th

* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions

8 in five rounds?

Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!

I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.

by Lanier63 on Nov 17, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

1,2,2,3,4,5,5,5

yep.

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions

ok

thanks

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 17, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions

If we can bring back Vrabel...

Then where would an OLB play? Over Hali who has had a good year?

If no Vrabel, then I would be fine with a cheap free agent playing that position.

by Boots 58 on Nov 17, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions

I think it's more about

having a young guy to develop behind Vrabel, and replace him the following year
that should be doable with a mid round pick

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions

We have a young guy behind Vrabel

And I think Andy has the tools to be really good he’s just a bit raw. I’d say we need ILB help moreso then OLB help.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Nov 17, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions

What do you think

about Hali moving to LOLB. He used to be a left end and the LOLB is more of a run stopper anyway. And getting a little quicker/lighter ROLB as the pass rush terror.

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Nov 17, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions

I think

Hali’s main asset is his pass rushing ability. Move him to the right side and you are looking at a nightmare with him in pass coverage

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

Left side

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

Hali

Get close alot ……..but he just doesnt get sacks. Learning how to tackle would help him alot.

by CPT.Caveman on Nov 17, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think that's the issue

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions

i think he is

still learning the position…. though he is a bit out of place he is playing well and about the only one getting better

by rich04 on Nov 17, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions

I have to agree with Caveman

Hali has a huge problem tackling, I just dont see him improving at this stage in his career at the weight he is at. He has missed 5 sacks the last 2 games. 3 on Garrad and 2 against the Raiders.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions

Well those 2 are about the same size as Hali

He sacked Russell and got a Personnel Foul for wrapping him up at the knees?

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions

Still he is a DE

If it happened once its one thing, but five times is pathetic. Dont get me wrong, Ive defended Hali last year when everyone said he was a bust, I like him but he still has some growing to do and he could be upgraded.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions

Quick question I do not watch college football at all, everyone keeps talking about Berry is he that good. I am not sure what would be better OL or Safety both need a lot of help.

by Beaten and Abused on Nov 17, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions

I watched 2 Tennessee games

Florida game – Absolutely dominant. Made plays all over the field
Ol Miss game – He was invisible.

Everyone has an “off day” but I’d like to see more consistant play from our 1st round draft picks.
If anyone else has watched him more, feel free to make me feel better.

Johnnie Morton: The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

by craig in calgary on Nov 17, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

sometimes being invisible

is a good thing as a defensive back

Bewsaf

by Bewsaf on Nov 17, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions

Well TN did lose

Now that doesn’t mean anything of itself.
Ole Miss ran all over TN so that was not exactly Berry’s Pass coverage skills.
But maybe a lack of Size to stop the run.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions

Berry is that good.....

And not only that, but think about it like this. We can get a top talent OL in the 2nd round, but you’re not gonna find someone equivalent to Berry by then. A safety can be on an island at times and have only his skills to rely on. The line is a collective, so I don’t might a slight drop off in talent there…….and anybody we would draft at OL in the 2nd round is definitely gonna improve what we have now….

by Hail2DaChiefs on Nov 17, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions

I like the safety scenario

I would prefer to take Berry in the first. A good/great safety can tryly make everyone else so much better. Look at Polamalu and Ed Reed. We need a defensive identity and Berry could supply that. I would take two ofeensive lineman in the second and a WR or OLB in the third. With out 4th and three 5’s I would take an athletic tight end, another offensive lineman, a defensive lineman and a WR.

by T.Fletch on Nov 17, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

Need more time to evaluate...

but OSU’s Cox seems to be a game changer in the secodary. I believe he can return kicks too. I’d like to see us fix the o-line with a couyple of free agents.

by 12t on Nov 17, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions

I'm ok waiting until round two for OL this year.

Based on the guys coming out I’d go so far as to say the late 1st-early 2nd round olineman due in this draft are as good if not better then the guys picked in the top 10 of last years draft. I’m all for filling another need or taking BAP with our first rounder and “settling” for a guy like Ciron Black later on.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Nov 17, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions

Also on the DT front...

As you said theres potentially an abundance of talented NT type DT available which to me is even more reason to not draft a NT with the 6th overall pick. We need a game changing player that can come in and make an immediate impact. To me, on the defensive side of the ball, thats a linebacker or a safety. I know all the mancrushes out there for Suh and Cody will say “look at them play they’re game changers” but I think everyone around here should know by now(because its been said a million times and shown on the field) that DL, no matter how good in college, take a couple of years at least realize their talent in the NFL.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Nov 17, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions

sorry sandpro...I have to post my mock draft count..it's what I do...

mock draft number 3, 973, 654…and counting!

Ok now, how many draft picks and in what rounds do we have next year anyone know?

by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions

Actually it is 3,973,658

Ya gotta keep up Kray!!! :)

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions

oops sorry sand! lol

by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

if you've looked at all 3,973,654 mocks....

how don’t you know how many picks we have and in what rounds???

by chrisclark_dfw on Nov 17, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions

Not sure about anything after the 4th

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions

Thanks for the info on Berry.

by Beaten and Abused on Nov 17, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions

Man we have so many holes to fill it's tough..

but I firmly believe that Vermeil showed us the light. Get the O line loaded with pro bowlers and you’ll go far. We can trade and pick up FA for defense if need be (hopefully) but I want to see our QB and RB’s have help.

our center is unacceptable. Unless of course the goal of a center is to see how long it takes to fall backwards into your QB. In which case we’re doing fine.

by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions

agreed, except

Get the O line loaded with pro bowlers and you’ll go far

…right up until you lose in the playoffs. The D line is actually more important IMO. O lines can be cobbled together and get better with playing together, but you need three serious athletes to complete the D line in a 3-4. We’re probably just preaching to the choir, that you need to fix your O/D lines, but it can’t be said enough times.

Blank

by benfunke on Nov 17, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions

Lets hope that Okung or Mays will be available at 6

Suh will go top 3, and Okung is slated to go top 5. Mays has the best shot to drop to the bottom half of the top 10.

by Ren on Nov 17, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions

Berry I mean

I’m out of it today…

by Ren on Nov 17, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions

An Aquired taste

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions

If we cant get Berry in 1st I dont really want Mays

Berry or bust as for 1st round safety…..If we cant get him or Okung or even Suh….its a really big guess after that. I would imagine that Berry, Okung, and Suh will go in the top 7-8…if not top 5. Hopefully the top picks will go to QB since its loaded.

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on Nov 17, 2009 1:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

agreed

Mays is not the answer for KC, IMO. I’d take Allen or Thomas in the top of the 2nd over Mays in the 1st.

I’d go Berry, Okung, Suh, McClain in that order… or trade down if at all possible

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions

I like that, but I put McClain before Suh.

Yes, Suh is the better player but not a need unless someone is traded. I just don’t think Suh can play nose, but it would be fun to watch.

by Helmets on Nov 17, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions

I'm with you on that!

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed times 10

I didn’t watch the game last weekend, but from what I heard on the Radio, Suh didn’t do much against KU, which is not a very good team this year.

by Primmtime on Nov 17, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions

Suh did have KU's C/G combo on him all day.

Just what the NT is supposed to do. I would Imagine that if we pick after Tampa
Suh is gone.
Cleveland – QB
St. Louis – QB
Tampa – DL
Oakland – Who the hell Knows
Detroit – Might grab Berry
Buffalo – Offense playmaker/ O-line

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

Stafford has been getting killed

I’d be really surprised if Detroit doesn’t take an OT.

Predictions:

Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010

by jmcgoblue on Nov 17, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions

Suh as "NT"

in a 4-3, an undertackle. Not a good candidate for a 3-4 NT.

by Kane on Nov 17, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions

Still like a 4-3 front

Hali Dorsey Suh Jackson

Have a Brain lock :)

or 3-4

Dorsey Wilfork Jackson

A fixation:)

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions

And Actually Jax blew up their 3-4 scheme, reverted to 4-3

and won two games in a row

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions

yeah, i dont' see KC goin back to 4-3

but, I sure think that Dorsey/Wilfork/Jackson would look Niiiiiiccccceeee

I’ve been saying that Suh would NOT be a NT… but he does create some interesting opportunities… if he bulks up a little… he sure commands double teams. But, again, i think he’ll be gone in the top 3 picks, and KC will pick around 5th or so

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions

How bout 8 and trade down for O'Dowd

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions

sure... or McClain if he's there

I like O’Dowd a lot… but I’m not sure KC would HAVE to use a 1st round pick on Center.

There are a lot of other good Centers in the draft, to be had in the 2nd-4th rounds

by stagdsp on Nov 17, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions

Jackson was almost invisible in the 4-3 in college

Not sure I see him being all that effective in that defense in the NFL, in other words. Heck, I don’t see him being effective in the 3-4 either, but that’s beside the point.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions

Well he ain't the playmaker

just hopefully the guy that allows the playmakers to make plays.
and if he is one-on-one with a RT he will push the pocket in a strange way :)

Plus College ball is a lot different than Pro ball.
Some guys continue to improve and then you have Tim Tebow

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions

College ball is different, sure

But at DE, it’s very rare for a guy to be a great (#3-overall-worthy) player after having been a pedestrian college player. Jared Allen played like one would expect a #3-overall guy to be, but at least he performed well, even if it was at a small-program level.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions

Idaho? Idaho St.?

McCoy is rated favorably.
Is there really any NT’s worth a 1st round?

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions

And actually Jackson is the backstop

the push should flush the QB to Jackson.
With NO true NT we have no idea what Jackson can bring yet.
Two on Jackson and two on NT leaves Dorsey and Hali to Sack the QB

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions

Which again begs the question:

Why the early pick on that stiff?

Anyway, I think people are wrong about Suh. He’s a disruptive player who makes his living in the offense’s backfield, sure, but Casey Hampton did the same damn thing, and look what a spectacular NT he’s turned out to be. Suh doesn’t have quite the motor Hampton does, and he’s not quite as strong, but he’s a little quicker and he’s more athletic in general. I’d take him for KC. Same with Ogho (probably more of a 25-40 range pick IMO), McCoy (1st), and Cody (probably 1st, depending on physicals and workouts).

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions

Are you kidding?

Suh has a way better motor, Casey Hampton is stronger but not by much at all. Suh is a rare talent, I have no doubt in my mind he can play NT, Since he has already seen time at NT it wont hurt.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions

No effing way

It is completely impossible for someone who watched Hampton in college to think that Suh has a better motor at this point.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions

You are obviously a UT fan

LOL Hampton has a good motor but it doesnt match Suhs by any means. No Bias here buddy, I hate Nebraska more then UT. Suh is just the superior talent at this point in there football careers. Suh gets after plays way faster and doesnt give up at all. Hampton is way slower, Hampton has an impecable motor still but it doesnt match Suhs by any means due to Suhs combination of strength and speed. Nobody would ever say Hampton had a better motor unless they are a UT fan.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions

You appear to have a very odd definition of motor

Strength and speed aren’t what determines it at all; effort and determination are, period.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions

I know what Motor is and Suh Never gives up

Ever, He runs down plays from behing something Hampton never did. You have a UT bias and its obvious. Next thing youll say is McCoy should get the Heisman and go in the 1st round.lol

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions

Wah wah wah

Same line, “UT bias, UT bias.” I’m the one on the SB Nation site telling people McCoy shouldn’t be a top pick like many others say. I’ve said the same on here.

It’s obvious you’re not here for a discussion, and I’m afraid I’ve made the mistake of feeding the troll.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions

Dont call me a troll dude

Im not trolling, Im stating the facts. You obviously do have that Bias that we speak of lol, Its just funny because its so obvious. If you dont want to talk quite posting replies.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions

I'd be pretty surprised if you even watched much of Hampton in college

Am I wrong?

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions

Watch yourselves, men.

Sounding like you are talking about eachother and not Hampton or Suh anymore…

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by woodman212 on Nov 17, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions

rec'd ...couldn't agree more....

everyone always posts – saftey Berry or Mays as if they are equals.

If Berry is gone, then definately no safety in the 1st. If Okung, Suh and Berry are all gone….hopefully someone will trade up with us for a top QB. Otherwise, Bryant, WR or McClain, LB
.

by chrisclark_dfw on Nov 17, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions

There are other safeties worth a first-round pick

But probably not top-ten, unless Earl Thomas grows an inch and enters the draft as a RS soph.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions

Earl Thomas isnt worth a first at all to me.

Maybe next year, but not right now. Still a little raw.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions

Berry is a rare talent, but he’s not playing like he did last season. Thomas is playing like one of the top five defensive backs in the nation, right on Berry’s heels.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions

I should note..

…that I partially attribute Berry’s dropoff to the coaching change. While I think Monte Kiffin is an incredible NFL DC, he’s not employing Berry as well as Chavis did.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions

Your crazy

Earl Thomas is nowhere near as good as Berry. Its so obvious you have a UT bias bro. I would select Earl Thomas in the 2nd round, He might not even play safety in the pros.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions

It is obvious you're going more on 2008 Berry than 2009 Berry, "bro"

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions

Ok if you say so

But it doesnt take a retard to see Berry is way better. QBs throw away from him like Ndamdi. If you polled a hundred people, 5 UT fans would say Thomas was better thats it. He is nowhere near Berry, Hints the reason Berry will be a top 5 pick and Thomas will go late first early 2nd.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions

That's because those people you're polling aren't watching

And don’t know what to watch when they do. They’re the same people who’d pick Trent Williams in the first round based on some draft ranking they saw on ESPN.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions

So are you sayin Thomas is better?

Because nobody but you and other UT homers would ever agree. Its so obvious when you watch the two who is better. To even question is stupid.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions

Better than Berry?

I didn’t say that. Find anything I said that states that I do. You’re just making things up now, which is hilarious. If you’re in college now, that’d make you about five years old when Hampton was in college btw, so it’s obvious you’re talking out of your rear on that count.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions

Really, because Im 28 yrs old

That’s because those people you’re polling aren’t watching And don’t know what to watch when they do. They’re the same people who’d pick Trent Williams in the first round based on some draft ranking they saw on ESPN.

Thats is what you said when I said if you polled anyone they would say Berry is better. If you are admitting Berry is the better talent then why are we talking.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions

Since When

Did you have to be a certain age to go to college.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, I'm a lifelong learner myself

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions

Where does that statement say that I think Thomas is better than Berry?

The reason we’re talking is because you’re latching on to my statement that Hampton had a better motor in college than Suh does now. Suh has a lot of advantages on Hampton, as I’ve PLAINLY said, but motor isn’t one of them. Yet you won’t even concede that one aspect, let alone anything else.

Maybe when Suh makes some Pro Bowls we can talk further.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions

I said throughtout his career by far

Your just obviously looking for an arguement, Sure Hampton has had a great NFL career but SUh is by far the better college player, Im done talking to you troll

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions

And I was talking about Hampton living in the offensive backfield. Suh does it now. I see Suh’s style of play as very similar to Hampton’s in college. That’s why I bothered to make the comparison, although it’s apparent that you wanted to find a tangent to pursue.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions

All I said was his motor is equal or better

And its true, Several scouts say he has the best motor at DT that they have ever seen.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 18, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions

I was under the impression that you thought Thomas was better then Berry

Thomas is a stud dont get me wrong but he just isnt on the level that Berry is. Im sorry for assuming you though Thomas was better but thats what it looked like in the posts you made. Im also sorry for losing my cool, I just dont appreciate being called a troll. I hope we can get along enough that we can contribute on each others posts.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 18, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions

i was going to say Thomas, but if he declares...

he’s more like a 20-32 selection…maybe if we trade down a couple times i.e. cleveland in this year’s draft.

by chrisclark_dfw on Nov 17, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions

Ealr Thomas will not go before pick 25 at the earliest

There is such a dramatic talent drop off between Berry and everyone else. There is a huge talent drop off between Mays and Thomas. The reason Berry doesnt get alot of ints is because of the QBs he face. Every coach in the SEC throws the ball away from him. Its obvious. Dont always go by stats when evaluating college talent. Its the same with T Jax, His numbers didnt blow you away but the SEC players and coaches poll voted him hardest to block.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions

Mays is garbage right now

Have you seen that kid play this year? He has been playing like he doesn’t have anyone coaching him. He’s constantly out of position, he’s playing very undisciplined, he bites on all the wrong plays, and he’s playing dirty in the pile.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions

Right

but any team in the league would draft Mays before Thomas

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions

Because he's about five inches taller and 20lbs. heavier

And has twice as much starting experience. But it doesn’t take much of an eye to see that he’s an undisciplined player, basically a Lavar Arrington playing safety.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions

Yes, I agree he's more 20-30ish

Because he’s too short to really consider in the top ten. He could use more development, but Berry has regressed a little, and Thomas has progressed quite a bit, narrowing the gap significantly.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions

Berry has not regressed bro

The gap between them will never be narrowed because Thomas doesnt have the talent to narrow it. QBs throw away from him, This isnt me just claiming it, its a fact. Berry has be thrown at alot less this year.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions

stagsdp linked this a while back...

good write up on Thomas vs. Berry

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/11/1/1109749/earl-thomas-of-texas-is-the-most#comments

by chrisclark_dfw on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, good write up. Doesn't get into the nuts and bolts much, but good.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions

Do you live in Austin?

Have you heard anything on Thomas’ plans?

by chrisclark_dfw on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions

I live in the Maryland suburbs of DC

I haven’t heard anything of any plans by him or any other UT player to leave early, to be honest. I think most of the speculation about him is based on the looming cap fiasco and its potential incentive for many underclassmen to declare. I honestly think he could use another season, and heck, I’d prefer he use all four seasons of eligibility.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions

Really?

isn’t draft talked supposed to be saved for times when there is no football to be talked about?

by Jew Boy on Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions

talk*

by Jew Boy on Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions

What, the NFL has a game today?

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions

What, the Chiefs are going to the playoffs?

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by benfunke on Nov 17, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions

You are free to leave the post

See above :)

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions

see intro....then leave

by chrisclark_dfw on Nov 17, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions

BTW We are talking football

by sandpro on Nov 17, 2009 6:11 PM CST reply actions

Safety, OL, OL, LB

Do it…

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by woodman212 on Nov 17, 2009 6:25 PM CST reply actions

I am torn on the direction of this draft.

I think the FA’s we can sign will determine whether we go Strong on O-line
or Strong on D.

A LB and a “NT” type in FA would lead to a trade down maybe for O’Dowd in the teens.
We could pick up Safety/CB in 2nd and I would have no problem with Flowers as FS and
Carr “who is bigger” and Leggett or a DP to play CB. I like Leggett, he went for the Pick
and had no help over-the-top. Flowers can do that. A Strong Safety IMO is a small LB that covers passes better and can run support. A Battle-Cruiser. A Tweener. 4th round stuff.

We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 17, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions

Absolutely positively NO to Trent Williams in the first round

The guy has been a slouching lummox this season.

Russell Okung is the only OL playing like a top-five pick right now, IMO. Seeing Trent Williams listed as a potential #6 overall on a mock draft makes me think one might be going from some fairly dated draft rankings, because he’s been garbage this season.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 17, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions

Actually

The dates on the “draft stock” ratings I looked were 12 NOV – 16 NOV. I will admit that I have not looked at extensive tape and scouted every draft eligible player. But the information is up to date.

by sandpro on Nov 18, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions

No problem

This isn’t on you, of course. This is on the draft site guys who apparently aren’t watching Trent Williams.

by burntorangehorn on Nov 24, 2009 6:58 AM CST up reply actions

I like the second scenario the best

An excellent safety can really can really up a secondary’s game. Having Carr, Flowers, and Berry in our back field just sounds scary. I think the other draft picks really fill out our O-line; center with our first 2nd rounder and RG with our 3rd and our last 2nd rounder can hopefully add a new offensive weapon which we desperately need.

That sounds like a really good draft too me. If it works out I could see us seriously contending for the playoffs next year.

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by Scaryclouds on Nov 17, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions

How about this senario

Rd. 1- Berry
Rd. 2- Navarro Bowman
Rd. 2-Nate Solder
Rd. 3- J.D. Walton
Rd. 4-Valdimir Ducasse
Rd. 5-Denario Alexander
Rd. 5-Sergio Render
Rd. 5-Hartisity

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 PM CST reply actions

This should be...

the guys we target without a doubt. They fit our system perfect and I’ve actually seen them play on tv.

1a. Eric Berry

1b. Mike Iupati – This is from a hypothetical Glenn Dorsey trade. I like the way Magee and Gilberry are playing and I think we should improve our offensive line. I still think Brandon Albert will be fine at LT. Iupati is a blue chip guard and would fill the void of our RG spot. (if we only get a 2nd rounder for Dorsey, which is his floor, we should use some of our 4th and 5th rounders to trade up.)

2a. Brandon Spikes – physical, physical player with the ability to rush the passer up the middle

2b. Eric Norwood – Great pass rusher with linebacking skills. Exactly what we need opposite of Tamba Hali.

3. Kyle Wilson – absolutely love this kid out of Boise St. Would give us great depth at corner and kill two birds with one stone because he is one hell of a punt returner. I swear to god he is my favorite corner coming out of the draft and I think we can steal him. I bet as draft day nears though this kid could sky rocket up boards.

5. John Estes – athletic center from Hawii. Maybe Waters or Alleman act as a stop gap for one year, but I wouldn’t put it pass this kid to start on day one.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 18, 2009 12:18 AM CST reply actions

O...

and Karlos Dansby and Vince Wilfork in free agency please.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 18, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions

What else are we going to give up for Dorsey?

Because I really do not see any team giving up their 1st for what is now simply an above average D-Lineman without more to sweeten the deal. Maybe if we gave them our third, but probably would require our original 2nd rounder to even get a consideration.

by sandpro on Nov 18, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions

Throw in DJ

by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions

Unrestricted free agent after this season

by sandpro on Nov 18, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions

restricted, if it goes uncapped, I think

by stagdsp on Nov 18, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions

Dorsey would garner a 1st rounder

I dont know why people keep saying he wouldnt, GMs arent fans, Dorsey is on pace to get over 100 tackles in 2 years, That is GREAT for a DT. Why people keep saying this, IDK. Did you not hear the announcers in Oak, They arent just saying that he is playing good for the fuck of it.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 19, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions

Sandpro

How can he only be an above average D linemen? Are you saying he has hit his ceiling? Thats crazy bro.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 19, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions

Bro, I am not saying he has hit his ceiling

But he is not a dynamic game changing DE that tems want in a first rounder (Jared Allen) The chances of a team giving up a 1st rounder for Dorsey are pretty damn slim. For the record, I really hope we do not give him up, I think he is just scratching the surface of his ability and in another season or two will be an integral part of a pretty damn good D-line.

by sandpro on Nov 20, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions

I doubt a 3-4 team would trade for him

He isnt a game changing DE, He is a game Changing Dynamic 4-3 DT. Teams do give up 1st rounders for them, Ecspecially a player like Dorsey, Who is gonna have over 100 tackles in his first two seasons. And he is two years removed from a top 5 pick. A team like Indy or a different 3-4 team that picks late would give up a pick in the teens or twenties for him. I understand your post above, but not the other one saying he would only garner a 2nd is off based. Seriously.

That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.

I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.

by darwithabar on Nov 21, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions

I like my scenerio the best. LETS DO IT!

1. OT, Okung or best available
2. ILB, Spikes
2. C, best available or best available G.
3. WR, Shipley
4. RB, Dexter McCluster
5. Safety, best available
5. OL, best available
5. OL, best available

FA’s: Breaston or Boldin. Whichever one AZ lets go of.
DT, A proven one who isnt too expensive.
Safety, Another proven guy with youth still on his side.

Id be very happy with that offseason. Im really lovin this McCluster guy. Reminds me of a shorter version of Chris Johnson. He would be my steal of the draft. He does it all.

by cessnatank04 on Nov 18, 2009 3:28 AM CST reply actions

Whatever the case may be....

As long as we draft guys for the trenches (offense or defense) with 2 of our first 3 picks, then i will be very happy. Not always the most attractive picks but always the smartest.

by cessnatank04 on Nov 18, 2009 3:33 AM CST up reply actions

Problem with this scenario is there are only one or two quality, young safeties that will be available through free agency

I also think that the D line and secondary need more work than the linebacking corps and there are a lot more quality LBs available through free agency. Not to mention I would be surprised to see Spikes fall out of the first round.

by sandpro on Nov 18, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions