Chiefs Coach Haley Talks About Yelling at His Assistant Coach
by Joel Thorman on Nov 16, 2009 6:47 PM CST
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PrintKansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley talked about a few heated words he had with assistant coach Maurice (Mo) Carthon in yesterday's win against the Raiders. CBS cameras showed Haley being tugged away from Carthon by another assistant coach. We can only imagine what the head coach was saying.
Haley was asked about that moment this afternoon.
"He was getting after me," he said.
"Yeah, especially Mo is the most important guy I have, no disrespect to anybody else. He’s somebody I’ve looked up to from the first day we were ever around each other. Mo and I are friends and have worked together a bunch, but we’re both very emotional and passionate guys."
This is expected, I think. Haley has consistently pointed to Carthon as a guy that he leans on heavily.
Haley also said his coaching staff was at its best yesterday. He said they were the most efficient they've been all season.
"It’s all been a process for us also," he said. "We’ve shifted [coaches] downstairs and upstairs and been tinkering trying to get the right mix. But yesterday I felt like it was our most efficient day as a staff."
I'm not quite sure how I feel on Haley's yelling. If he's winning, he's the next Bill Cowher.
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Video?
I’ve been reading lots about this fighting match, but I don’t remember seeing it during the game. Anyone got a YouTube link or something I can refresh myself with?
-cw
Watching the 2009-2010 Chiefs 12 hours ahead of you (in Taipei, Taiwan).
Twittering my every move. Don't act like you're not even slightly interested.
It might be nothing...
I mean since Haley is constantly yelling and full of rage as the media depicts, he was probably asking Carthon for a piece of gum. You don’t want to see him when he’s “for reals” angry. Oh no you don’t… shakes head
Until Haley pulls a Tom Cable I am fine with his sideline antics
I love the guy more and more each week.
I'm a Haley guy
I think it is ridiculous to try to find reasons not to like Haley. It says more about the person looking for reasons to hate the guy than it does Haley. I hope he builds a great staff and team. Frankly, the media in KC has exposed itself in all this as shallow, petty and lacking substance.
by ChiefConcern on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think it is ridiculous to try to find reasons not to like Haley.
Me too. There’s plenty of obvious reasons not to like him. :)
DJ, you funny.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Joel
Who is upstairs on gameday?
For the Offense.
I assume that Pendergast is for the D.
My question I guess is who is on the headset besides Haley and Cassel?
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Not Joel but...
Pendergast is on the sidelines, at least I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him there.
As far as I know, Haley calls the plays directly to Cassel. There’s been plenty of shots of him looking at the play sheet and talking into his headset between plays.
Yes
but someone has to be upstairs with the coverage given on certain plays.
to adjust the scheme for what is working.
Maybe that is THE issue.
Nascar has spotters to help the drivers, the Army has spotters to adjust fire, the NFL is the same on getting a survellience spot IMO
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Did Haley or Mo call that time out on 4th down?
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
Mo did
One of the threads has a “verbatim”
Haley “asked” Mo why he called a TO when he is a RB coach and the D was on the Field.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
That what I thought...
I don’t get the “He was getting after me” thing.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
is^
sorry cold medicine.
No one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning.
George Carlin-R.I.P.
by idahochieffan on Nov 16, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Do you know who is in the booth for the O?
The cameras seemed trained on Haley 24×7 :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Where is this other thread?
I didn’t know RB coaches could call timeouts.
Mo is the assistant HC
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
by bonesjackson on Nov 17, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
According to the news conference, Haley did.
"Why would you say I was getting after him?" Haley asked Monday afternoon with a smile. "He was getting after me."
The conversation came near the end of the first half. The Raiders had a 4th-and-1 play near mid-field and lined up like they were going to go for the first down. Haley was on the headset with the defensive coaching staff and they wanted to allow Oakland to lineup in the formation they were going to use, and then they were going to call a timeout, a Kodak timeout. You know, get a picture and then make adjustments.
But Haley’s call for the timeout and the snap of the ball came at the same time. JaMarcus Russell tried a quarterback sneak and did not get the necessary yardage. The Chiefs defense thought they had held. But the officials waved off the snap and awarded the timeout to Haley.
That drew a comment from Carthon, and that brought a reply from Haley, and that’s when they started exchanging friendly words said in unfriendly ways.
"Mo is the most important guy I have, no disrespect to anybody else," Haley said. "He’s somebody I’ve looked up to from the first day we were ever around each other. Mo and I are friends and have worked together a bunch, but we’re both very emotional and passionate guys."
from http://www.bobgretz.com — Just click on the first article.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Nov 17, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
He did.
See Gretz’s post in today’s Arrowheadlines.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Nov 17, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Ya know
I would prefer a Coach this is active, rather than a stuffed suit on the sidelines.
Maybe because “Stormin” Norm Stewart got the job done:)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
A HC cannot lose composure
Tough and lunatic are not the same thing. Belichick, Coughlin, Tomlin don’t light up the room with warm fuzziness but they don’t “act a fool” either.
I could easily be wrong
but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Coughlin going off on people in the past.
Cowher did it fairly often too, if I remember right.
He would "Cowher" spit
and foam at the mouth.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Watching WWII on history
Tarawa " Bloody Tarawa"
1st day fail on the landings, TRY again 2nd day same plan. MAKE IT WORK.
Hurrah
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Haley Question
The guy has had the same personality and style of coaching since he came in the league. That style has resulted in him moving up from conditioning coach to WR coach to OC in a short time. And now that style has resulted in landing a HC job.
So for those that claim he needs to change how he handles players and personel; why would you change something that has brought you so much personal success in a short period of time? The Chiefs knew exactly what they were getting when they hired him. I would understand people getting upset at Haley if he was a quiet – low key guy that has all the sudden changed his ways. But he is doing what he has always done. For those that have a problem with Haley’s style, I would say you need to direct your anger to Pioli and Hunt. I’d be like bringing in Chad Johnson and then complaining that he talks too much trash
by vincent2668 on Nov 16, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A NFL job pays damn good
and we all can certainly agree that it isn’t a 9-5 office job.
Why do we get on the Coach for being like a Oil driller Supvr, A Captain of a Crab boat?
This is a job that can kill you if you do it wrong and pays you well if you do it well.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
No the point is..if the Chiefs didn't want someone that acts like a Crab boat Captain as you say
Then why would you go hire someone that has always coached in that manner. I think it is obvious that this is the type of personality that the Chiefs brass wanted or they wouldn’t have targeted a guy like Haley.
I find it hard to believe that they would bring in Haley in hopes that he would become an easy going players coach.
by vincent2668 on Nov 16, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
If Carthon doesn't have a problem with it
I don’t see what the problem is. I know guys at work who will not hesitate to get after each other when they disagree, but at the end of the day they are still friends.
Predictions:
Kansas City will not win more than four games in 2009
Kansas City will have a new OC and DC in 2010
Kansas City will win at least seven games in 2010
by jmcgoblue on Nov 16, 2009 8:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
for the sake of argument
I finally “get” what Haley is doing. Not that I agree 100% of the time..but I get it. My only issue left to resolve with the guy is – who’s calling Haley a “effin Idiot” or an “effin moron” when his play calling doesn’t result in first downs? I know..he only answers to Pioli and Hunt…but that’s not it. As the leader of the team he indirectly answers to the players too. He puts them in positions to fail, just as the team fails to execute at times. I just wish the guy could shut his trap once in a while and stay focused. Getting mad, screaming,, and pointing fingers is distracting you from the next play. Think about that. In the play yesterday where we were forced to call a timeout in the fourth qtr because Bowe lined up in the wrong spot we had a five wide set…clearly a set we don’t use with much frequency and it is comprehendable to understand a player making a mistake…not that it is okay for him to do..just that I get it can happen. After it happened and the timeout was called, Haley looked like he screamed for close to 20 seconds of the timeout (exaggerating) and we end up running a QB Draw. I mean..seriously? A QB Draw? You KNOW and I KNOW that play isn’t going to result in a TD or 1st down. That play call is the result of Haley losing his cool and going conservative because he wasn’t focused on winning..he was focused on yelling and repremand. There is a time and place for stuff. If you want to yell at your players each time they screw up then hire an OC to call the plays, however, if you’re out there to win stay focused on the next play and deal with the eff-up later.
Haley’s doing an okay job overall, but there isn’t much else to be said. We haven’t done much as a team this season to warrant much of an opinion one way or the other. All I can do is hope that this team truly is moving in the right direction and Haley isn’t just a two year HC.
Right now we are training puppies
You have to correct imediately or they have NO idea of what they did wrong.
Do you want the puppy pissing all over the floor? Now the opportunity was lost on that play.
The idea was to center the kick and that called for a play that positioned the ball right where you want it.
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 16, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Like when he (Haley) exploded on Bowe for lining up wrong
but then sitting down and talking to him afterwards
by Bestofthewest on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Haley is doing exactly what he as always done as a coach.
Pioli and Hunt knew exactly what they were getting when they hired the guy. If this team was winning, then nobody would have a problem with the way he acts on the sidelines. I saw Cowher do the same thing when he was a coach. The only difference is that he had a better team and everyone thought it was great because he was winning.
by vincent2668 on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I like Haley because he .....
hates the raiders as much as I do. I love Bowe saying :
"Every time we play a division team our goal is to win. But every time we play the Raiders, it’s always a hated rivalry and coach stressed it all during the week: Hate the Raiders, we’ve got to beat the Raiders."
My favorite line in this story
“Haley also said his coaching staff was at its best yesterday. He said they were the most efficient they’ve been all season.”…..thats some funny shit considering how ugly that friggin game was.
It's football
There is yelling in football. If he was a kindergarten teacher this would be news. Plus, he only does it out on the field, practice or in-game. Off the field he is calm and humble with a self-deprecating sense of humor. I like the guy. And if he starts really turning the Chiefs around and getting more some wins, I will like him even better.
This is some scary shit
Haley also said his coaching staff was at its best yesterday. He said they were the most efficient they’ve been all season.
If that is the best this group can coach….I am worried
Predictions for 2009:
The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ
Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.
The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays
Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for
Chiefs 3-13
That same thought crossed my mind.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius, in contrary to Glenn Dorsey lining up in the 2-tech
by ArrowSpread on Nov 17, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I took it as, that is the best they have been up to this point. Not - this is the best we can do
He even said in his post game interview that the coaching was not good and made alot of mistakes.
I wonder who he's going to add/change in the offseason.
He also commented in his news conference that he wishes more of his coaches would stand up to him. It all makes me wonder just how cobbled-together this coaching staff actually was.
I’d still like to see him add either an offensive coordinator or passing game/QB coach, whether he still calls the plays or not. It’d take two of four jobs off of his plate and perhaps lessen his stress level.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
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