Haley and the mistakes

by Peterman700 on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 AM CST Comment 55 comments

If Todd Haley is going to be a successful head coach in the NFL, his message must remain the same every day. In practice he must scream at anyone who makes an error. Screaming and yelling must be the message on a daily basis, this way on game day, the players know that the screaming will come and they are mentally prepared for it.

I hope I never spill a beer at the Haley house, might end up getting into a rumble with Todd.

Take a pill Todd, it's a football game, not national security. Teach your players and teach yourself. I can see some improvements here and there, but overall I think the team wants to be coached, not yelled at.

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Meh!!!

I don’t really care that much about the yelling. Every time I saw him yell, it was justified. Cassel got yelled at after calling a ridiculous timeout. Savage got yelled at BIGTIME after he dropped the easy pass for a 1st down. Carthon got yelled at for calling a timeout that probably cost us 50 yards in total yardage so, I don’t blame him for freaking out. This team SUCKS and needs to get it’s shit together.

Honestly, the yelling seems to be Haley’s most redeeming quality. It sure as hell isn’t his coaching!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 16, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I get that when he yelled he was justified

but his behavior is insane. I don’t know that I’d call it a redeeming quality.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The only thing is that you are dealing with men

Predictions for 2009:

The Chiefs will regret cutting LJ

Bowe's numbers regress due to lack of decent QB play.

The D gets better in the second half but still is plagued by big plays

Cassel looks more like the guy Pioli almost cut in the '08 preseason instead of the franchise QB he hoped he would be when he traded him for

Chiefs 3-13

by bonesjackson on Nov 16, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

These guys are men who should be big enough boys to handle an ass chewing when they deserve it.

Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Nov 16, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It goes beyond dealing with men

Truth is, the head coach is THE front-man for the entire organization. When he’s caught on camera time and time again dripping F-bombs, he’s doing it in red and gold. I could give a shit if his coaches and players don’t like it, or if it’s effective or not, but he should be doing it in a much less public way. It shows a lack of respect to the organization as a whole and to the fans. It’s on national TV and catching him in the act of screaming profanity has quickly become a favorite endeavor of the NFL camera guys every weekend. Someone needs to grab the guy by the collar, slap his ass around and say “Hey dumbass, Wake up! Show some respect to those who support you!”

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 16, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Uhh oh..Buck'o is mad...now what??

We’re gonna read about Buck o getting drunk and slapping Haley around at a bar in KC one day aren’t we? lol!!

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Keep me goin' and I might start dropping f-bombs ;)

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 16, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HIRED!!

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If I met Haley in a bar....

hopefully, he doesn’t have time to go to the bar, but if he did, I’d have a few choice words for him, and would hope and pray he’d stick out his chest and want to man up…. afterall we know how competitive those golfers are…. I wouldn’t mind knocking a few teeth loose.

by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 2:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haley would knock your ass out.

Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Nov 17, 2009 2:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah...ummmm

There’s no way to respond to that without sounding like a third grader….. but thanks for the constructive input jux….

by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 5:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right

Over the internet you express this for what reason?

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's called hyperbole...

in Reality… no normal sane person would just walk up to someone and start talking shit without the aid of drugs or alcohol…..

This was a statement that was meant to be overly exagerrated just to make the point that I don’t like the guy.

I’m sorry I had to explain that to you.

Just as a side point. If it were an NFL player… yeah I’m sure I’d get my ass handed to me… but I’m not so sure I’d be worried about a failed golf pro…. I’m a pretty big dude that’s a combat vet…. I think I’d be alright….

by callmesir on Nov 17, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I digg it sir :)

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 17, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I find...

it entertaining. Who doesn’t like seeing Haley foam at the mouth?

by I_Bleed_Red. on Nov 16, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well sure

the voyeur in me likes the freak show, but the Chiefs fan in me wonders if he’s losing his grip on his own sanity. How well does the team hold up under that? I mean he really started losing it out there!

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Nov 16, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for the record

Haley was yelling at Bowe, not Cassel. Bowe was lined up wrong and Cassel saw it and knew that if he had snapped the ball, they would have been penalized. That’s why he called the TO. You can actually see Haley say “That’s on you Bowe, you F*********!!!”

by jonnyu on Nov 16, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope...he said "That's on you Matt..."

your wrong there buddy. But it’s cool. He was 100% yelling at Matt…he used his name and pointed to him.

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The one on Cassel

was when he didn’t get the ball to Charles midsection & handed it to his ribcage. In the redzone it was definitely on Bowe!

Long time kool-aid drinker & too old to learn a new trick! No flip-flopping allowed!

by ttownmikey on Nov 16, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hey tt..oh so that's a different one than what I'm thinking?

yah I saw the one where he said that to Matt but not Bowe…hmmm…well he’s mad at everyone pretty much…he’s probably yelling at me right now.

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The one where he yelled at Matt

he didn’t seem as upset. When he got after Bowe, he looked like he was going to kill him.

by jonnyu on Nov 16, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He looked more disappointed than angry at Cassel

But when Bowe lined up wrong he looked like his head was gonna explode.

by ajanzen on Nov 17, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Anger

Haley does seem to have anger issues but I noticed that he can cool down very quickly as well. Right after the timeout and Haley’s unfortunate behavior, you could see him coaching Bowe on the particulars of the play. As I understood it, Bowe caused the timeout by lining up wrong. So, as long as Haley can calm down enough to coach his players, then I think showing anger can be a powerful motivational tool; especially if he also gives praise whenever earned. You have to admit that he pats his players on the back when they do something good for the team. I think he makes a strong effort to do so.

In general, I don’t think excessive anger from a head coach is detrimental to the team’s success. Bobby Knight is a pretty good example of that.

by ChiefsDude on Nov 16, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

+1

And i havn’t seen Haley hit or kick any of his players.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm that gives me an idea!

by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I saw improvment

Sunday was better all they way around.
Play Calling
Execution
Determination
I saw all of it for once this year at the same time.
Ofeense improved not good enough yet but improved and the same for the D.

Wo WON the Game.

by kcchiefstd on Nov 16, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

oops sorry kcchiefstd...my bad..

I didn’t notice your glass was empty…….here let me fill that up for you..mmm kool aid.

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

lol

Kool aid for everyone.

I will say it again.

Screaming at players and coaches is NOT how to handle it.

The “Head” coach needs to lead by example, not lose it at every turn.

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by Peterman700 on Nov 16, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I second that peterman.....(passes kool aid around room)

I ain’t drinking the kool aid until we actually start winning!

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So your drinking the Kool Aid then?

We did win!

(Raiders game 1 should be listed here)
(Cowboy's should be listed here)
Skins
Raiders game 2

Who's next?

by cpa913 on Nov 16, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

oh yah,, you got me cpa...I guess I'll have a sip then!

by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It is spiked right?

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Nov 17, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Parcells

Screamed and yelled at his players all the time, Nobody can call him a bad coach.

OHANA!

by darwithabar on Nov 17, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

everyone

needs to stop be a cry baby bit%h and deal with this. Its football. Its football. Know where and what you need to do as a player and you wont be reprimanded. Everyone says teach teach teach well what do you think the coaches do all week?? sit there and eat bon bons?? Im sure D Bowe was taught 35 times where to be at on that play where Cassel called a timeout cuz bowe wasnt in the right spot. So yes he deserved to be told, what the F are you doing dwayne

by jayball09 on Nov 16, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree, I don't know why this is such an issue

If players fail to execute, than I have no problem with them getting yelled at. Look at JaMarcus Russell for example, he was awful Sunday (as usual) and no one got in his face when he messed up and no one was showing him what he did wrong either. When Bowe lined up wrong, Haley yelled at him for it, but then on the sideline showed him what he did wrong. Last I checked holding players accountable and helping them correct their mistakes is the point of having a coach.

Now, say what you will about Haley as a playcaller this year, but the fact that he yells at players is a complete non-deal.

by ajanzen on Nov 17, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also

The title of this post sounds like a band name.

by ajanzen on Nov 17, 2009 3:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

great post

yeah me and him wouild not get along i agree with every word peterman some cannot deal with being yeller at

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 16, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

hey j man...welcome brother...how are you?

by krayfish on Nov 16, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i am ok

health wise i am pterry good mentilly i am still dealing with yday thanks for asking

by j-man on Nov 16, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He never yelled when it wasn't appropriate.

He held players accountable for stupid mistakes….There is no issue.

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by woodman212 on Nov 16, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to say this every time we have this debate

If you don’t want to get yelled at: don’t be lazy, don’t take plays off, don’t get stupid penalties, don’t miss tackles, don’t blow coverage, don’t drop passes, don’t line up for plays wrong, don’t turn the ball over, don’t call time out’s that cost us field position, etc. etc.

Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"

by KCporkchop on Nov 16, 2009 3:53 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

porkchop

you and I would be good buddies. I agree 100%. There are too many softies in this world who need that ribbon or trophy for coming in 8th place when in reality they dont deserve it one bit. You dont want to be reprimanded then do your job.

by jayball09 on Nov 16, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

which is EXACTLY how I feel.

No more whiney excuses being made for Haley when he sucks. He’s a big boy and he took a big boy’s job that demands a lot of media attention.

Fans have the right and actually the responsibility to speak their minds and their personal opinions of him.

by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What

was up with Haley telling the running backs coach to F-off after a poorly timed time out by Todd himself? I’m unsure of what the RB coach said, but it was probably on the lines of, " What the fuck are you doing Todd?" I thought that was alittle imature on Haley’s part. I’m sure he realized he fucked up after the Raiders didn’t convert on fourth…..still though

by RedDawn on Nov 16, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Is that how that went down???

I was wondering…What a clusterfuck!!!!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 16, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

How we gonna react once we lose on Sunday?

Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

by NJChieffan16 on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We all pretty much expect to lose this week...

Don’t we?

I do.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Nov 16, 2009 8:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yea Todd...

stop hurting our feelings and disrespecting us by talking in such a loud voice when we aren’t doing our jobs right, efficiently or effectively! Be complacent in our losses and mellow in our sloppy play.

Verbal reprimands aren’t politically correct Todd! Coddle us!

by butchcassidy on Nov 16, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Sounds like what Herm did. We all see where that got us. Respectable team when he got there, bottom of the barrel when he left.

by Matt89 on Nov 17, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NO butch. We don't want coddling, but you don't cuss out fellow coaches in front of the players

that they are supposed to be leading and need respect from. No different than parenting, you don’t correct one parent in front of the kids. You do it privately.

by krayfish on Nov 17, 2009 7:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I agree with the sentiment about parenting...

but then in that same light does that make the players on the team impressionable children?

But this is only the first time I’ve seen Todd blow up at a coach and it was with good reason but he should probably turn away from the camera at the very least or give him that stern ’you’re a dumbass’ talking too he gives instead of yelling sometimes.

Haley really does seem to value his timeouts.

by butchcassidy on Nov 17, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

A Coach needs to control his players, not have the players control him, that was HERMS problem, wanted to be everyones buddy, not a Coach.
Haley is the right man for the job. Team is improving, and has a difficult schedual. give the guy a break

by klear on Nov 17, 2009 3:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

on another note

question Haley’s coaching all you want.. imagine we still had our allpro players . "Old LJ , TonyG , Jared Allen, Hes taken unknowns, Scrubs.. Guys off the street. and has been turning them into something fierce.. Too bad the oline didnt pan out like we wanted it too. That will be fixed next year for sure.. oh and Jamaal Charles, once he gets used to being an everydown back, he will be rediculous, nofear elusive back, just like Chris Johnson

by klear on Nov 17, 2009 3:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs